Nabers owners in dynasty

[Showboat 252]

What is the best-case QB scenario?

I was  hoping the Giants would land Stafford, but that ship has sailed.  At this point, I think I'd rather see the Giants get Flacco over either Rodgers or Wilson (I really really really  hope it's not Wilson),  I also think Flacco would be a better mentor for the rookie as I figure they will work the draft to ensure they get "their guy" between Sanders or Ward.

Thoughts?

[Ray_T 740]

27 minutes ago, Showboat said:

What is the best-case QB scenario?

I was  hoping the Giants would land Stafford, but that ship has sailed.  At this point, I think I'd rather see the Giants get Flacco over either Rodgers or Wilson (I really really really  hope it's not Wilson),  I also think Flacco would be a better mentor for the rookie as I figure they will work the draft to ensure they get "their guy" between Sanders or Ward.

Thoughts?

Flacco can throw the deep ball, so I think Nabers could perform with him at QB.    Rodgers too.    Rodgers throws too many INT but that doesnt affect the WR numbers.

Though I think Flacco is better in the dressing room than Rodgers would be.     but both are adequate fillers while developing a young QB. (assuming they draft one)

[weepaws 3,152]

Flacco would be the best one to  be both a mentor a young Qb, and can perform.  

Rodgers would be the best one just based on performance, I can’t see him being a mentor to a young Qb, I think Rodgers has his own issues outside of Football.  

Wilson, isn’t worthy of being any help.  

[Maximum Overkill 1,739]

7 hours ago, weepaws said:

Flacco would be the best one to  be both a mentor a young Qb, and can perform.  

Rodgers would be the best one just based on performance, I can’t see him being a mentor to a young Qb, I think Rodgers has his own issues outside of Football.  

Wilson, isn’t worthy of being any help.  

There's no long term solution for the Giants QB situation, it's bad. I traded Nabers in a Dynasty League for a mini-haul and draft picks. I think he'll still be good but the volatile QB situation worries me. And there's nothing in this draft, I'd rather trade out and grab Jaxson Dart. 

What does bringing in an old vet do for anyone? It's a bandaid and delaying the inevitable. They should of drafted McCarthy or Penix when they had a chance. Giants gonna Giant. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,482]

For dynasty, the investment was already made, so the production is what it is.  I'd expect similar to last year.  In the end, the numbers will look good, but how he gets there could be frustrating.  He'll probably have a few big games (which won't be monster games... meaning, mid-high 20's, just nothing in the 30's or 40's), but games where he produces like a WR2 or 3.  He's not a Chase or Jefferson, but he's still probably a mid-tier WR1.  If they get a real QB in there, then he might put up high end WR1 numbers.

That said, if they bring in another WR, that has the ability to catch the ball, unlike the rest of their roster last year, that could prove to be detrimental.  For example, lets say the draft a QB at #3 overall, but see their #1 WR on the board at #34.  They may take that WR and give their QB a good foundation of weapons.  Despite missing 2 games, Nabers still had 170 targets.  A rookie QB and 2nd viable receiving option may result in Nabers getting only 150 targets.  Still WR1 territory, but maybe more low-end at that point.

[DocNiner 67]

10 hours ago, weepaws said:

Flacco would be the best one to  be both a mentor a young Qb, and can perform.  

Rodgers would be the best one just based on performance, I can’t see him being a mentor to a young Qb, I think Rodgers has his own issues outside of Football.  

Wilson, isn’t worthy of being any help.  

I have to agree with you Weepaws. Rodgerswill be going to a team where he's set to be the starter and looks like it's either the Giants or the Steelers. I'm betting on the Steelers for Rodgers as he'll have better weapons and a better O-line. Ahh, Rodgers has his own agenda and I too think he won't be much of a mentor to whatever rookie the Giants take. If at #3 they take.Sanders because Ward will be gone there could quite possibly be some butting of the heads with Rodgers and Sanders. We've seen and heard that Sanders stock had been dropping due in part to the team interviews he had so it sounds like he might feel.a sense of entitlement and this may cause some problems between him.and Rodgers.

     I don't this Aaron is thrilled to.come in and mentor a young QB if he ends up in New York. It'll be all.about me,me,me with him and.he'll focus on his production and mentoring would take a distant back.seat to any rookie QB. The best thing for the Giants is let Rodgers go somewhere other than New York, draft either Ward(if he's there) or Sanders and grab a veteran QB that will want to help mentor their rookie QB. Many of us are.so done with the Rodgers saga/drama and I wish he would come on and make a decision where he wants to go. Certainly the Steelers are the frontrunner to get Rodgers and the Giants would be best served passing on the Rodgers show.

As for Nabers I think whoever is the QB he's going to continue to develop and get better, even if the grab a WR early second round. Though I think they should consider taking an O-lineman at pick #34 because if they draft Ward or Sanders then protecting him.should be paramount. There should still be a decent O-lineman with their pick in the 2nd round and then maybe look at receiver in the 3rd. This is a pretty decent receiver class.so there will be good ones in the 3rd round. Whatever they do Nabers will continue to be a focal point of the offense and he should at least put up respectable WR1 numbers.

[Ray_T 740]

10 hours ago, weepaws said:

Flacco would be the best one to  be both a mentor a young Qb, and can perform.  

Rodgers would be the best one just based on performance, I can’t see him being a mentor to a young Qb, I think Rodgers has his own issues outside of Football.  

Wilson, isn’t worthy of being any help.  

I think Rodgers made it clear a couple years back he has no interest in mentoring his replacement.    Thats the rub with him.  he now says he would but I think for him thats just lip service to get himself on the field.

[Ray_T 740]

3 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

There's no long term solution for the Giants QB situation, it's bad. I traded Nabers in a Dynasty League for a mini-haul and draft picks. I think he'll still be good but the volatile QB situation worries me. And there's nothing in this draft, I'd rather trade out and grab Jaxson Dart. 

not a bad move.  and if the QB situation goes south you will be able to buy back at a far lower price in a year or two.   people have a short memory in terms of just how good a player can be when things work the way they should on a team.   Just like with Sequon who put up very good rushing numbers in New york behind a terrible line..   He was I think the #1 or #2 player in fantasy one year early in his career.    then when the team imploded people seemed to forget he could play.   then he goes to Philly and Boom instant success.

[Showboat 252]

Saw a report about Jameis visiting the Giants.  Probably not a great option for the Giants, but I think he could be decent in getting the ball to Nabers (in between the pick-6s).

[weepaws 3,152]

1 minute ago, Showboat said:

Saw a report about Jameis visiting the Giants.  Probably not a great option for the Giants, but I think he could be decent in getting the ball to Nabers (in between the pick-6s).

That would be a positive move, I’m not sure how much of a mentor he might be, but I would think he would be willing to help mentors, and he can throw the ball, he would be a short quick help to Nabers.  

[LaChup 228]

What about Watson? Do any of you think he can put some balls into Nabers hands?

[TBayXXXVII 2,482]

12 hours ago, LaChup said:

What about Watson? Do any of you think he can put some balls into Nabers hands?

Maybe his own, but I don't think that's the kind of thing the NFL wants on tv.

[Ray_T 740]

On 3/18/2025 at 5:44 AM, TBayXXXVII said:

Maybe his own, but I don't think that's the kind of thing the NFL wants on tv.

Nabers doesnt do massage, so no risk of that.

[TBayXXXVII 2,482]

1 hour ago, Ray_T said:

Nabers doesnt do massage, so no risk of that.

Good point. 

[RareN64Dream 21]

On 3/18/2025 at 6:44 AM, TBayXXXVII said:

Maybe his own, but I don't think that's the kind of thing the NFL wants on tv.

ROFL, too funny. But, on a serious note; are the Browns trying to trade away Deshaun Watson? Wouldn't it be a tough task with the big contract?

[TBayXXXVII 2,482]

2 hours ago, RareN64Dream said:

ROFL, too funny. But, on a serious note; are the Browns trying to trade away Deshaun Watson? Wouldn't it be a tough task with the big contract?

According to Spotrac.com, Watson's cap hit is the same for the Browns whether they keep him or cut him.  If they don't believe he's their guy going forward... or even this year (which they shouldn't), having him on the roster doesn't help the team it only adds a distraction.  Just cut the dude and take the $36M± cap hit and move on.  The Broncos took a $53M cap hit to let Wilson walk, so it could be worse.

[Ray_T 740]

10 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

According to Spotrac.com, Watson's cap hit is the same for the Browns whether they keep him or cut him.  If they don't believe he's their guy going forward... or even this year (which they shouldn't), having him on the roster doesn't help the team it only adds a distraction.  Just cut the dude and take the $36M± cap hit and move on.  The Broncos took a $53M cap hit to let Wilson walk, so it could be worse.

or eat all but a couple mil so he can go elsewhere.

but I dont see any team letting them off the hook that way cuz they dont want the distraction either

[jrokh 608]

Nabers Stock is going Up!

https://x.com/JordanRaanan/status/1903234254944739682

 

 

[DocNiner 67]

With the signing of  Winston who'll certainly sling the rock Nabers value should rise a little. I think it'll get better though if the draft QB Sanders at #3. Surely the Giants don't believe that Winston is thier future QB but it does stabilize them some with only Tkmmy DeVito on the roster. Smart move is to take Sanders and Winston will help the rookie. If they do then Winston may not see the field unless Sanders really struggles or health becomes an issue. Regardless if Winston becomes the starter then absolutely Nabers stock gets better. He's very talented and he should be the focal point of the offense much like CeeDee Lamb is in Dallas. Don't waste his talent.

[Ray_T 740]

well, winston is good enough to get Nabers the ball.   There will be INT but there will also be lots of yards and TD.  WR dont get punished for INT so if he is the bridge QB it may be ok if you are a Nabers owner

[Showboat 252]

While I fully expect the Giants to take Ward or Sanders (even if it means trading up), I'd much rather see them trading back and loading up on some O-line talent and maybe take a QB later.  If they take Ward or Sanders, with one of the first 3 picks, I don't think Winston will be much of a bridge - he'll likely only see the field if there is an injury (and that may put a dent in Nabers fantasy value if the rook struggles).  Seeing Winston start may not be great for the Giants, but he'd be great for Nabers fantasy numbers.

[LaChup 228]

I know Jameis prefers crab legs, but do any of you think he will steal time from cutlets?

[RareN64Dream 21]

9 hours ago, LaChup said:

I know Jameis prefers crab legs, but do any of you think he will steal time from cutlets?

At this point, it looks like he will start at QB over Tommy DeVito.

[Ray_T 740]

5 hours ago, RareN64Dream said:

At this point, it looks like he will start at QB over Tommy DeVito.

probably.  he is the best of the two bad choices.

Lets not hold our breath.   I'd be surprised if the Giants dont draft or sign one more QB.   While Winston will be ok for Nabers stats, he likely wont be good for the team.  and if he gets benched like he sometimes does, I do think Nabers stats then take a hit at that time.

[weepaws 3,152]

Winston should be the starter, but like every avg Qb, he’s going to have some horrible games.  

[Ray_T 740]

19 hours ago, weepaws said:

Winston should be the starter, but like every avg Qb, he’s going to have some horrible games.  

of course.   and that is the rub.   if he has a 4 or 5 INT game, and gets benched, Nabers wont put up anywhere close to elite stats with Devito.     Thats how winston hurts his value.    its when hes off the field that Nabers stats will be subpar (by his standards)

[LaChup 228]

I think they go after Rodgers and try to lure Belicheck away from coaching college. 

Mr. Rodgers Nabers Hoody

[RareN64Dream 21]

Giants got Russell Wilson. Looks like Wilson will be the starter.

[weepaws 3,152]

Winston is better for Nabers imo.  

[Showboat 252]

13 hours ago, RareN64Dream said:

Giants got Russell Wilson. Looks like Wilson will be the starter.

Three teams have been able to evaluate Wilson up-close and concluded that he wasn't the answer at QB and chose to move on (at least one of those teams at great cost).  This is the worst case scenario for Nabers. 

[RareN64Dream 21]

9 hours ago, Showboat said:

Three teams have been able to evaluate Wilson up-close and concluded that he wasn't the answer at QB and chose to move on (at least one of those teams at great cost).  This is the worst case scenario for Nabers. 

I could see the Giants letting Winston get some regular season game time to try and keep Wilson fresh. But, I understand what you mean.

[Ray_T 740]

9 hours ago, Showboat said:

Three teams have been able to evaluate Wilson up-close and concluded that he wasn't the answer at QB and chose to move on (at least one of those teams at great cost).  This is the worst case scenario for Nabers. 

i disagree.   its the worst case scenario for the team.  but not for Nabers.   there are far worse alternatives for Nabers.

Winston has been able to put up lots of yards and TD.   his issue is that he throws far too many INT.    That is the reason he is bad.

dude is one of 9 QB who have thrown for 5000 yards in a season.     Thats pretty elite company.   The only possible reason a 5000 yard passer cannot keep a starting job is turnovers.    but WR do not get punished when the QB gets interceptions in fantasy.    if he gets 1200 yards receiving along with reasonable TD's I doubt any of you care how many INT Winston throws if you are a Nabers owner.    In fact, early INT mean he has to open things up to get back in the game.   Probably better for numbers in a weird sort of way.    Shootout wins and losses are good for fantasy stats for all pass catchers.

like I said before, its not bad for the Nabers stats unless hes so bad he gets pulled.   but it is bad for the team in the only stats that matter.  Wins and losses

[DocNiner 67]

Even though they have Wilson now I think Nabers would fare better with Winston as the starter. Don't know at this point where tk value Nabers with Willson and Wjnston there. He should still get a ton of targets but we'll.see. So now, do the Giants take Travis Hunter at #3 if he's there and Sanders is still available?

[Ray_T 740]

1 hour ago, DocNiner said:

Even though they have Wilson now I think Nabers would fare better with Winston as the starter. Don't know at this point where tk value Nabers with Willson and Wjnston there. He should still get a ton of targets but we'll.see. So now, do the Giants take Travis Hunter at #3 if he's there and Sanders is still available?

you could be right.   but in almost every possible scenario,  the right move for the team is to start Wilson.

I cant see the team straying from that unless Winston shows all the potential that made him a 5000 yard passer that one year but without the interceptions.

certainly its possible.   You cannot rule it out.   Some QB are late bloomers and despite his shortcomings, 5000 yard passers do not grow on trees.   I imagine there are no shortage of coaches who look at that season and think..... If I can coach him up and get him to toss less than 12 interceptions over the course of a year and keep most of that upside, Id really have something here.

it is also possible he will wake up one day and find that the game has slowed down for him a bit and the INT just wont happen anymore.

I dont wanna guess at the odds of that happening.  I havent a clue.  but every coach in the nfl would love to see it happen while hes on their team.

[weepaws 3,152]

10 hours ago, DocNiner said:

Even though they have Wilson now I think Nabers would fare better with Winston as the starter. Don't know at this point where tk value Nabers with Willson and Wjnston there. He should still get a ton of targets but we'll.see. So now, do the Giants take Travis Hunter at #3 if he's there and Sanders is still available?

Targets wouldn’t be a problem, producing ff points I think will be better with Winston at Qb.  But Nabers is a stud.  

[Ray_T 740]

19 hours ago, weepaws said:

Targets wouldn’t be a problem, producing ff points I think will be better with Winston at Qb.  But Nabers is a stud.  

yeah, i think hes an automatic 1000 yard QB for any reasonable starter in the nfl.     

But throw a backup QB (cough cough Devito)  in there at QB there are no assurances that hes a 1000 yard WR in that situation.   He can only do so much if the QB cannot get him the ball.

[DocNiner 67]

There's no doubt Nabers is very talented and will go high.in fantasy drafts. I'm tempering my expectations for him slightly. For sure the Giants will be behind in games which should call for more passing. Thus Nabers targets should be pretty high as they dkn't have much else currently in the receiver room. If be some chance the first 2 picks in the NFL draft are QBs maybe the Giants should consider drafting Ashton Jeanty. If they do that may actually help Nabers production. They let Barkley walk to win a title and Tyron Tracy's ok but not on the level of Jeanty. So if they're not in live with Shadeur Sanders then they should take Jeanty and look for a QB later or in next years draft as they could have a high draft pick eligible  for the Arch Manning sweepstakes.

     On another note if the Giants continue to not get a franchise QB then could there be a possibility that Nabers walks after his rookie contract? Of course depends too on whether they franchise tag him. Still.thoigh could there be a possibility that Nabers looks to travel.south and hook up with QB Jayden Daniel's and the Commanders. Anything could happen but it'd be a shame if the Giants were to squander this Uber talented receiver.

[Ray_T 740]

7 hours ago, DocNiner said:

There's no doubt Nabers is very talented and will go high.in fantasy drafts. I'm tempering my expectations for him slightly. For sure the Giants will be behind in games which should call for more passing. Thus Nabers targets should be pretty high as they dkn't have much else currently in the receiver room. If be some chance the first 2 picks in the NFL draft are QBs maybe the Giants should consider drafting Ashton Jeanty. If they do that may actually help Nabers production. They let Barkley walk to win a title and Tyron Tracy's ok but not on the level of Jeanty. So if they're not in live with Shadeur Sanders then they should take Jeanty and look for a QB later or in next years draft as they could have a high draft pick eligible  for the Arch Manning sweepstakes.

     On another note if the Giants continue to not get a franchise QB then could there be a possibility that Nabers walks after his rookie contract? Of course depends too on whether they franchise tag him. Still.thoigh could there be a possibility that Nabers looks to travel.south and hook up with QB Jayden Daniel's and the Commanders. Anything could happen but it'd be a shame if the Giants were to squander this Uber talented receiver.

 I still think the O line is by far the most urgent need for this team

it is my belief that you need AT LEAST a passable O line for the offense to perform at anywhere close to a good level.    look where Sequons production went when he left New York and went to Philly.    Thats what a good O line gives you.

I dont know how realistic this is.....but if they can trade back 2 or 3 spots and get another high pick (maybe a 2nd)  they could maybe target Jeanty and then use both of their seconds to draft interior O linemen (presumably guards) and provided those picks turn out, this team would likely be able to manage in that scenario.   Might take up to a year to get those guards up to speed at the NFL level, but the team will be reasonably well equipped going forward.

 

[weepaws 3,152]

Don’t know how the draft looks for online players, but that’s where they need to go.  

[jrokh 608]

3 hours ago, Ray_T said:

 I still think the O line is by far the most urgent need for this team

Not really true. They have invested heavily in the Oline already. Last Off-season they signed Runyan JR to be starting LG, and Jermaine Elemunor to be starting RT. These weren't bargain signings they were 10+million players. Their Center is a 2nd rd pick. When their starting 5 were all healthy they performed at an above average level, at least according to PFF. Their depth was the biggest problem, which is why they signed 2 swing Tackles this offseason. RG is the one spot to potentially upgrade, but OL is not their biggest need. QB, and DT are far bigger needs. Their OL is far from great but is it is serviceable enough....