Trump defies the courts, Sends migrants to El Sal Prison

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5 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

This is actually a good point. The story on NYC reported that the Roosevelt hotel, a luxury hotel was putting up roughly 2,000 aliens at $75,000.00 per month. So roughly $37.50 per person, or $450 per person per year.

This El Salvador prison is costing $6,000,000 for 250 persons at $24,000.00 per person.

220 million for 3 years . That’s for housing at the Roosevelt only , no meals and provided transportation. 

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4 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

220 million for 3 years . That’s for housing at the Roosevelt only , no meals and provided transportation. 

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The Big Apple reportedly offered to secure 1,025 hotel rooms for migrants on a daily basis for 36 months at the rate of $200, according to Minute Mirror, a Pakistani news site. 

NY Post

For one thing the Trump administration closed the hotel as a shelter, so again it's odd that we are paying a foreign nation. But again $200 per migrant as opposed to $24,000.00.

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11 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

NY Post

For one thing the Trump administration closed the hotel as a shelter, so again it's odd that we are paying a foreign nation. But again $200 per migrant as opposed to $24,000.00.

Work on your math

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1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So yeah, this guy isn’t MS-13. He’s just always with them when the police stop them. 

MS-13 Adjacent?

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1 minute ago, HellToupee said:

Work on your math

The cost to house an inmate at most US prisons is around $50. We are paying a foreign nation something way higher than luxury hotel rates.

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2 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

The cost to house an inmate at most US prisons is around $50. We are paying a foreign nation something way higher than luxury hotel rates.

https://posts.voronoiapp.com/maps/Between-US-States-There-is-Huge-Variance-in-Spending-per-Prisoner-1351

 

 

I do not vouch for the veracity of the link as i am unfamiliar with the source.  That said it comports with my understanding of the matter from other sources I have read over the years.  I did look at this issue maybe 15 years ago when the Geo Group had an issue with keeping a facility open in the jurisdiction for which I worked.  Our legislators desired a white paper on costs of building and maintaining prisons and the cost disparity between public and private facilities.  Given my now dated information on the subject matter i would guess the linked map is fairly close to accurate.

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1 minute ago, Engorgeous George said:

https://posts.voronoiapp.com/maps/Between-US-States-There-is-Huge-Variance-in-Spending-per-Prisoner-1351

I do not vouch for the veracity of the link as i am unfamiliar with the source.  That said it comports with my understanding of the matter from other sources I have read over the years.  I did look at this issue maybe 15 years ago when the Geo Group had an issue with keeping a facility open in the jurisdiction for which I worked.  Our legislators desired a white paper on costs of building and maintaining prisons and the cost disparity between public and private facilities.  Given my now dated information on the subject matter i would guess the linked map is fairly close to accurate.

Thanks, and to be clear I'm from Louisiana, so that number was what I recalled about Angola. And fwiw The Trump administration is sending a lot of its controversial alien arrests to Jena, LA.

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3 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Thanks, and to be clear I'm from Louisiana, so that number was what I recalled about Angola. And fwiw The Trump administration is sending a lot of its controversial alien arrests to Jena, LA.

A rather historic and notorious facility as I recall.

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Just now, Engorgeous George said:

A rather historic and notorious facility as I recall.

Exactly. And Jena ain't no picnic either. The Trump administration is spending a wild amount of money on 250 prisoners.

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9 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Thanks, and to be clear I'm from Louisiana, so that number was what I recalled about Angola. And fwiw The Trump administration is sending a lot of its controversial alien arrests to Jena, LA.

Sad to say i am unfamiliar with your State.  One of the few I have not visited.  My knowledge of it is from sports broadcasts, movies, and the Swamp People T.V. show. ('Choot 'em")

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1 minute ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Exactly. And Jena ain't no picnic either. The Trump administration is spending a wild amount of money on 250 prisoners.

To me it seemed economically sound given the average cost of imprisonment, which is, of course massively different than annual subsidies for ilegals.  how that comparison came to be debated is beyond me since it is comparing watermelons to raisins, but maybe I missed the point. (Certainly I ahve been known to miss a few points in my time.)

 

Anyhow, off to ride around the reservior before the weather changes and snow moves in tonight.

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1 minute ago, Engorgeous George said:

Anyhow, off to ride around the reservior before the weather changes and snow moves in tonight.

I must say, it sounds glorious. Enjoy.

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Just now, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I must say, it sounds glorious. Enjoy.

It is a pleasant ridfe for an old guy like me.  Likely i will see several antelope, a coyote or two, and several women in yoga pants out excercising their dogs.

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https://x.com/David_J_Bier/status/1912883307286536205

WOW.

One of the Venezuelans who Kristi Noem tried to render to El Salvador's slave prison managed to avoid removal and was able to make it to immigration court, and you'll never guess what happened: THE GOVERNMENT GAVE NO EVIDENCE OF HIS GANG MEMBERSHIP. Due process ftw

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25 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

The cost to house an inmate at most US prisons is around $50. We are paying a foreign nation something way higher than luxury hotel rates.

I’m done here. Nothing numbers wise has been posted in good faith 

 

 

from ChatGPT 

The average annual cost to house a prisoner in the United States varies significantly depending on the state, security level, and specific facility factors.

 

 

National Averages

 

 

Most estimates place the average annual cost per inmate between $30,000 and $60,000. For instance, a 2022 report from the Vera Institute of Justice found the average cost per inmate was $36,299 per year across all 50 states. 

 

 

State-by-State Variations

 

 

Costs can differ widely among states:

 

• California: Approximately $132,860 per inmate annually, driven by high employee compensation and healthcare costs.  
• New York: Around $106,089 per inmate per year.  
• Florida: Approximately $54,522 per inmate annually.  
• Texas: About $22,012 per inmate per year.  
• Louisiana: Roughly $16,807 per inmate annually.  

 

 

 

Factors Influencing Costs

 

 

Several elements contribute to these cost disparities:

 

• Staffing: Salaries and benefits for correctional officers and administrative staff often constitute the largest portion of expenses. 
• Healthcare: Inmate medical and mental health services can significantly impact costs, especially with aging prison populations. 
• Facility Operations: Maintenance, utilities, and infrastructure upgrades add to the overall expenditure.
• Security Level: Higher-security facilities require more resources, increasing per-inmate costs. 
• Rehabilitation Programs: States investing in education, vocational training, and therapy may have higher upfront costs but potential long-term savings through reduced recidivism.

 

 

 

Federal Prisons

 

 

In the federal system, the average cost to house a prisoner is approximately $36,000 per year.

 

Understanding these costs is crucial for policymakers aiming to balance fiscal responsibility with effective correctional strategies.

 

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2 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

In the federal system, the average cost to house a prisoner is approximately $36,000 per year.

Or $98 per days. 

2 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

• Louisiana: Roughly $16,807 per inmate annually.  

Right, $46 per day. Further up I said $50.

[HellToupee 1,599]

9 minutes ago, squistion said:

https://x.com/David_J_Bier/status/1912883307286536205

WOW.

One of the Venezuelans who Kristi Noem tried to render to El Salvador's slave prison managed to avoid removal and was able to make it to immigration court, and you'll never guess what happened: THE GOVERNMENT GAVE NO EVIDENCE OF HIS GANG MEMBERSHIP. Due process ftw

Viva Frei answered this tweet. More false stuff once again 

Am I wrong, or is your entire X thread and story based on petitioner’s exhibit/sworn declaration, and not on the actual court ruling?

 

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1 hour ago, squistion said:

https://x.com/David_J_Bier/status/1912883307286536205

WOW.

One of the Venezuelans who Kristi Noem tried to render to El Salvador's slave prison managed to avoid removal and was able to make it to immigration court, and you'll never guess what happened: THE GOVERNMENT GAVE NO EVIDENCE OF HIS GANG MEMBERSHIP. Due process ftw

lies

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Maryland Gov in violation of Logan Act

 

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the left hates women, defending a wife beating illegal MS13 member 

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On 3/21/2025 at 5:21 AM, Ron_Artest said:

ICE’s accusations were based on two things. First, Barrios has a tattoo on his arm of a crown sitting atop a soccer ball that, federal immigration authorities allege, “is proof of gang membership.” In reality, Tobin wrote, the tattoo was inspired by the Real Madrid soccer team, which is also circular in shape and features a crown.

Anyone have a pic of his tattoo? Aren’t there sports fans here? It’s like getting arrested for a flier de lis or Steelers 3-stars tat.

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The National Intelligence Council, drawing on the acumen of the United States’ 18 intelligence agencies, determined in a secret assessment early this month that the Venezuelan government is not directing an invasion of the United States by the prison gang Tren de Aragua, a judgment that contradicts President Donald Trump’s public statements, according to people familiar with the matter.

The determination is the U.S. government’s most comprehensive assessment to date undercutting Trump’s rationale for deporting suspected gang members without due process under the Alien Enemies Act, the 1798 law last used during World War II that laid the foundation for the incarceration of more than 110,000 Japanese Americans.

Trump invoked the act in mid-March, proclaiming without evidence that Tren de Aragua is perpetrating an “invasion” of the United States “at the direction” of the regime of Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro. Under the Alien Enemies Act, the government sent planeloads of alleged gang members to El Salvador’s notorious megaprison despite a judge’s order to turn the planes around and afford the detainees an opportunity to challenge their removal through standard legal processes.

The intelligence product found that although there are some low-level contacts between the Maduro government and Tren de Aragua, or TdA, the gang does not operate at the direction of Venezuela’s leader. The product builds on U.S. intelligence findings in February, first reported by the New York Times, that the gang is not controlled by Venezuela.

The National Intelligence Council is the analytic hub of the U.S. intelligence community that reports to Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard. It is composed of veteran specialists in particular regions or topics, known as national intelligence officers, and produces classified assessments meant to represent the assessment of all U.S. spy agencies.

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The finding was nearly unanimous among the U.S. intelligence agencies with the exception of the FBI, which assessed a moderate level of cooperation between the gang and the Venezuelan government, two people familiar with the matter said.

The dispute over the group’s ties to Venezuela come amid a larger standoff between the Trump administration and the courts that has alarmed constitutional scholars, the president’s political opponents and some fellow Republicans as the administration challenges judges’ orders arising from this case and others.

...Two Democrats on the House Intelligence Committee, Rep. Jim Himes (Connecticut), the panel’s top member from his party, and Rep. Joaquin Castro (Texas), wrote to Gabbard on April 10 imploring her to declassify information on TdA’s alleged ties to the Venezuelan government, a committee spokesperson said. The pair asked her to do so “in keeping with her public commitment to greater transparency” from U.S. spy agencies. They have yet to receive a reply, the spokesperson said.

Castro asked Gabbard at an Intelligence Committee hearing in late March whether U.S. spy agencies assessed that the Maduro government is directing “any hostile actions against the United States.”

“There are varied assessments that came from different intelligence community elements,” Gabbard replied. She did not disclose that almost all U.S. intelligence agencies, with the exception of the FBI, did not see evidence of such links.

At the hearing, Castro also asked CIA Director John Ratcliffe whether U.S. spy agencies had an assessment that the United States is at war with, or being invaded by, Venezuela. “We have no assessment that says that,” Ratcliffe replied.

A former U.S. intelligence officer who served in South America, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of the issue’s sensitivity, said he knew of no evidence that TdA was directed by Maduro and his allies. That view is shared widely by regional analysts.

“The idea that Maduro is directing Tren de Aragua members and sending criminals to infiltrate the United States is ludicrous,” said Geoff Ramsey, a Venezuela expert at the Atlantic Council, a Washington-based think tank.

...

 

WaPo

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https://x.com/kylegriffin1/status/1913038533230547144

BIG: Sen. Van Hollen has met with Kilmar Abrego Garcia.

 

[TimHauck 2,633]

Good to see he’s alive 

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17 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Good to see he’s alive 

You may be happy, but Biden isn't "alive". 

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6 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

the left hates women, defending a wife beating illegal MS13 member 

They love those women with penises, though!

[HellToupee 1,599]

Nayib Bukele

 

Nayib Bukele

@nayibbukele

 

 

 

 

Now that he’s been confirmed healthy, he gets the honor of staying in El Salvador’s custody

 

 

[HellToupee 1,599]

We need to see charges for Logan Act violation

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1 hour ago, squistion said:

https://x.com/kylegriffin1/status/1913038533230547144

BIG: Sen. Van Hollen has met with Kilmar Abrego Garcia.

 

Huh, interesting. Apparently no prisoners of any kind are ever allowed to have visitors.

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1 hour ago, HellToupee said:

Nayib Bukele

 

Nayib Bukele

@nayibbukele

 

 

 

 

Now that he’s been confirmed healthy, he gets the honor of staying in El Salvador’s custody

 

 

Weird, you’d think the handshake emoji would mean that he’d return him if we asked, no?

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4 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Weird, you’d think the handshake emoji would mean that he’d return him if we asked, no?

He's not an American Citizen, why would we want him? I don't see his Country crying, why are you? 

[avoiding injuries 1,517]

Spot on…

 https://x.com/clownworld_/status/1913120586441867704?s=46

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Timeline for Garcia by BBC. 

https://twitter.com/mrandyngo/status/1913073989695770926?s=46

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13 minutes ago, avoiding injuries said:

Spot on…

 https://x.com/clownworld_/status/1913120586441867704?s=46

Who is defending ms13?

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1 hour ago, Maximum Overkill said:

He's not an American Citizen, why would we want him? I don't see his Country crying, why are you? 

His wife who is an American citizen wants him

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1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

His wife who is an American citizen wants him

The union that employs him wants him back.

Americans who believe in the rule of law want him back.

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5 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said:

The union that employs him wants him back.

Maybe his employer was behind the “human trafficking” incident after all.  Except to call that “human trafficking” seems like a giant stretch to me since it’s defined as “a crime that involves compelling or coercing a person to provide labor or services, or to engage in commercial sex acts.”

Most likely scenario is he was probably driving some illegals to a job that was waiting for them which they were not “coerced” at all to do.

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8 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Maybe his employer was behind the “human trafficking” incident after all.  Except to call that “human trafficking” seems like a giant stretch to me since it’s defined as “a crime that involves compelling or coercing a person to provide labor or services, or to engage in commercial sex acts.”

Most likely scenario is he was probably driving some illegals to a job that was waiting for them which they were not “coerced” at all to do.

This human trafficking story was only reported in the Tennessee star, a known far right wing and questionable source.  I find it highly suspect.

It's clear that the govt has engaged in a smear campaign to cover up their illegality.

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21 hours ago, HellToupee said:

Thank God there are great Democratic Senators to go to El Salvador on tax payer money & fight for this non citizens wife abusing behalf.

They miss Biden's open borders so much that they make special trips to import credibly accused drug cartel members into the country.

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1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

Maybe his employer was behind the “human trafficking” incident after all.  Except to call that “human trafficking” seems like a giant stretch to me since it’s defined as “a crime that involves compelling or coercing a person to provide labor or services, or to engage in commercial sex acts.”

Most likely scenario is he was probably driving some illegals to a job that was waiting for them which they were not “coerced” at all to do.

Looks like timpee guy is wrong again. 

When was the last time a liberal was right about anything?