The Democrat Party Dilemma

[jbycho 546]

Just now, Sean Mooney said:

Dude- it's a simple "yes/no" question.

So if the left was in the same position it would be okay for them to be calling the right "evil" and everything because they are winning.

This question followed you saying "Who is winning. Think about it."

Trump 2024!! Winning!! 

[RLLD 4,143]

17 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Dude- it's a simple "yes/no" question.

So if the left was in the same position it would be okay for them to be calling the right "evil" and everything because they are winning.

This question followed you saying "Who is winning. Think about it."

I have already established that I accept both sides do it, have done it.  My positions>.......REMAINS......pay the fock attention now......the strategy is hurting the democrats and nothelping them,,,,,so....if something is hurting you and not helping you.....wanna venture a guess as to what you should maybe DO??

[Sean Mooney 1,923]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I have already established that I accept both sides do it, have done it.  My positions>.......REMAINS......pay the fock attention now......the strategy is hurting the democrats and nothelping them,,,,,so....if something is hurting you and not helping you.....wanna venture a guess as to what you should maybe DO??

when did you accept that?

Also, like I said- just because they havent done something yet doesn't mean they never will. But you wanted to run with your faulty premise from the jump.

 

You also still couldn't just say yes or no. 

[RLLD 4,143]

Just now, Sean Mooney said:

when did you accept that?

Also, like I said- just because they havent done something yet doesn't mean they never will. But you wanted to run with your faulty premise from the jump.

Last year......last month.......last week....focking last page......   but see, it doesnt matter......who does it....is it working?   is it hurting?

This entire thread is premised on the notion that the Democrats face a dilemma from using the strategy.  Whether Republicans do it....benefit from it.....are hurt by it....DOES NOT FOCKING MATTER

Its currently the Democrats who are being punished by it.  But, cannot really shift from it, I mean they could but they would lose most of what is left of their base.

[Sean Mooney 1,923]

Still couldn't provide a simple yes or no answer. You didn't accept anything. You posted your initial thoughts. You got hit with a bunch of examples and tried to deflect. Back on page 1 I pointed out how a lot of this right now is because the Democrats haven't given a plan moving forward yet- which they will at some point. But they haven't yet for whatever reason. But you continue to deflect and try to pretend like it is a one way flowing street which is insane and idiotic. And that is part and parcel for you because you never admit you are wrong, you always try to paint everything as if it is only flowing one way, and you essentially come off like a fooking fool.

Face it- you are a tunnel visioned dolt whose posts are basically if someone took Maximum Overkill's words and ran them through ChatGPT. Save your sanctimonious act for someone else. 

[jbycho 546]

2 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Still couldn't provide a simple yes or no answer. You didn't accept anything. You posted your initial thoughts. You got hit with a bunch of examples and tried to deflect. Back on page 1 I pointed out how a lot of this right now is because the Democrats haven't given a plan moving forward yet- which they will at some point. But they haven't yet for whatever reason. But you continue to deflect and try to pretend like it is a one way flowing street which is insane and idiotic. And that is part and parcel for you because you never admit you are wrong, you always try to paint everything as if it is only flowing one way, and you essentially come off like a fooking fool.

Face it- you are a tunnel visioned dolt whose posts are basically if someone took Maximum Overdrive's words and ran them through ChatGPT. Save your sanctimonious act for someone else. 

 TRIGGGGEREDD.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,864]

1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said:

Still couldn't provide a simple yes or no answer. You didn't accept anything. You posted your initial thoughts. You got hit with a bunch of examples and tried to deflect. Back on page 1 I pointed out how a lot of this right now is because the Democrats haven't given a plan moving forward yet- which they will at some point. But they haven't yet for whatever reason. But you continue to deflect and try to pretend like it is a one way flowing street which is insane and idiotic. And that is part and parcel for you because you never admit you are wrong, you always try to paint everything as if it is only flowing one way, and you essentially come off like a fooking fool.

Face it- you are a tunnel visioned dolt whose posts are basically if someone took Maximum Overdrive's words and ran them through ChatGPT. Save your sanctimonious act for someone else. 

Why are you still wasting your precious time? 

[avoiding injuries 1,496]

While most people are talking about everything Trump has done in just two months, I’m over here worried that he still has so much to do in just over 46 months. 
#MAGA #WINNING

[MDC 7,075]

1 hour ago, RLLD said:

The point, made over and over here....  is that the strategy being used by the Democrats to vilify their opponents did not work.  They lost, alot.

My point is that both parties vilify their opponents. You’d think a guy who calls his opponents Nazis and brownshirts all the time would know that. 

Do you use a funhouse mirror to shave?  

[jerryskids 6,522]

I think a dilemma for the Democrats is their bench.

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Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) narrowly leads in a poll of Democrats on which political leader “best reflects” the “core values” of the party.

In a CNN survey released Sunday, Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents were asked to name one person when “thinking about Democratic leaders today” who “best reflects the core values of the Democratic Party.”

The open-ended question yielded a range of responses: 10 percent pointed to Ocasio-Cortez, 9 percent said former Vice President Kamala Harris, 8 percent said Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), and 6 percent said House Democratic Leader Hakeem Jeffries (N.Y.).

Former President Obama and Rep. Jasmine Crockett (D-Texas) each were named by 4 percent of Democrats and Democratic-leaning independent respondents, while Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer (N.Y.), California Gov. Gavin Newsom (D), former Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Sen. Elissa Slotkin (D-Mich.) were named by 2 percent of respondents.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ocasio-cortez-leads-poll-democrats-145717114.html

Oof, AOC, really?  Does anyone over 30 NOT think she sounds like a child?

Out of this list maybe Jeffries would have a shot?  Or maybe Newsom can put on his carnie outfit and sell monorails to the Left.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,864]

Hakeem Jeffries is a confirmed Anti- Semite. I don’t know if enough democrats know that, but if they did I would assume that he would poll much higher. 

[The Real timschochet 6,328]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Hakeem Jeffries is a confirmed Anti- Semite. I don’t know if enough democrats know that, but if they did I would assume that he would poll much higher. 

Confirmed by who? 

[The Real timschochet 6,328]

The biggest Democratic dilemma is who should we choose to be President in 2028? Lots of good choices and one will be sworn in. Who will it be? 

[Maximum Overkill 1,722]

7 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Lots of good choices

Jesus Christ, this guy is the ultimate troll. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,864]

9 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Confirmed by who? 

His own words and actions. Duh. 

[RLLD 4,143]

5 hours ago, MDC said:

My point is that both parties vilify their opponents. You’d think a guy who calls his opponents Nazis and brownshirts all the time would know that. 

Do you use a funhouse mirror to shave?  

Doesn't matter. Who is losing?   Time to shift gears. Stop doing things that are losing propositions.

[Voltaire 5,160]

5 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

Still couldn't provide a simple yes or no answer. You didn't accept anything. You posted your initial thoughts. You got hit with a bunch of examples and tried to deflect. Back on page 1 I pointed out how a lot of this right now is because the Democrats haven't given a plan moving forward yet- which they will at some point. But they haven't yet for whatever reason.

Trump is staking out popular positions on issues across the board and since the Dems position is to oppose Trump on everything, everywhere, no matter what, they're accumulating a bunch of  insane positions.

Which is fine with me. The ultimate goal is 60 seats in the Senate to lock everything in place permanently.

The trick for the GOP is along what James Carville outlines, there's a rift between budget hawks and purple seat Republicans that is going to manifest since it is highly unlikely that DOGE can find enough cuts to balance the budget. Meanwhile, Trump has put the most juicy and most popular programs off limits since Trump isn't a budget hawk but more in favor of what's popular.

We'll see if Mike Johnson can keep pulling magic out of his hat.

[Sean Mooney 1,923]

15 hours ago, jerryskids said:

I think a dilemma for the Democrats is their bench.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ocasio-cortez-leads-poll-democrats-145717114.html

Oof, AOC, really?  Does anyone over 30 NOT think she sounds like a child?

Out of this list maybe Jeffries would have a shot?  Or maybe Newsom can put on his carnie outfit and sell monorails to the Left.

 

Actually I think the bench for Democrats is deeper than the poll shows. However, it is notable that the people who most are represented in that poll are the people that have been targeted as the enemy by the right. AOC, Kamala, Bernie, Pelosi, Schumer....

Of that list I do think Jeffries has a shot at the nomination. Even though I doubt that the general public would go for a west coast used car salesman as the President- especially following the East coast used car salesman- I'd imagine Newsom gets some run (and you can already see him playing to the middle and right to drum support). Deeper down that list though I can see Andy Beshear, Josh Shapiro, Ruben Gallego, JB Pritzker, maybe Gretchen Whitmer getting a chance. Does that mean any of them are without issues? Of course not. But every politician comes with baggage- even Trump. I doubt it goes to AOC if for no other reason than Democrats get this stupid idea about people waiting their turn and I can't imagine they are going to turn to 38 year old AOC. I do think they'd be wise to maybe listen to her a little as to how to reach out to younger voters again because she seems to do fine there. And I do think that she has proven that she is not as far left as people want to paint her as- certainly when compared to the rest of the dummies in "The Squad" nonsense. 

 

I do think the survey shows that compared to 2017 the party is a little more all over the place as opposed to being a cohesive unit. Obama held dominance in the party in 2017 and he was far more to the middle than what has been painted of Democrats. Also, he is one who kept trying to push Democrats back to the middle in the last election and they kept ignoring him. The most interesting thing for Democrats in 2028 will be- who will they rally behind as the nominee because you can see the party is fractured a little in the public eye.

The intriguing thing for Republicans will be- who does Trump get behind and will that be who the other leaders of the party and constituents get behind. The Republicans have had issues in running people like Trump but who are not Trump in elections and it doesn't usually go well. Basically- people want Trump doing Trump things, not Kari Lake, or Dr. Oz play acting Trump. Will Trump throw his weight behind JD Vance? I don't know if that's a given. Are the rumors true that Donald Jr. wants to run for President? If so, does Trump throw his support there leading to a rupture in the party. 

[jerryskids 6,522]

3 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

Actually I think the bench for Democrats is deeper than the poll shows. However, it is notable that the people who most are represented in that poll are the people that have been targeted as the enemy by the right. AOC, Kamala, Bernie, Pelosi, Schumer....

Of that list I do think Jeffries has a shot at the nomination. Even though I doubt that the general public would go for a west coast used car salesman as the President- especially following the East coast used car salesman- I'd imagine Newsom gets some run (and you can already see him playing to the middle and right to drum support). Deeper down that list though I can see Andy Beshear, Josh Shapiro, Ruben Gallego, JB Pritzker, maybe Gretchen Whitmer getting a chance. Does that mean any of them are without issues? Of course not. But every politician comes with baggage- even Trump. I doubt it goes to AOC if for no other reason than Democrats get this stupid idea about people waiting their turn and I can't imagine they are going to turn to 38 year old AOC. I do think they'd be wise to maybe listen to her a little as to how to reach out to younger voters again because she seems to do fine there. And I do think that she has proven that she is not as far left as people want to paint her as- certainly when compared to the rest of the dummies in "The Squad" nonsense. 

 

I do think the survey shows that compared to 2017 the party is a little more all over the place as opposed to being a cohesive unit. Obama held dominance in the party in 2017 and he was far more to the middle than what has been painted of Democrats. Also, he is one who kept trying to push Democrats back to the middle in the last election and they kept ignoring him. The most interesting thing for Democrats in 2028 will be- who will they rally behind as the nominee because you can see the party is fractured a little in the public eye.

The intriguing thing for Republicans will be- who does Trump get behind and will that be who the other leaders of the party and constituents get behind. The Republicans have had issues in running people like Trump but who are not Trump in elections and it doesn't usually go well. Basically- people want Trump doing Trump things, not Kari Lake, or Dr. Oz play acting Trump. Will Trump throw his weight behind JD Vance? I don't know if that's a given. Are the rumors true that Donald Jr. wants to run for President? If so, does Trump throw his support there leading to a rupture in the party. 

I think Shapiro would be a good candidate; unfortunately he has chronic Jew-itis, which would likely disqualify him from the Hamas-loving wing of the party.  Gallego is interesting -- he seems much more purple now than his smurf-blue record while in AZ politics.  I think there are some skeletons in his closet about his divorce from Kate Gallego (mayor of Phoenix) which haven't come out yet.  Or maybe they have; I don't follow that kinda stuff that closely.  I'd at least listen to what they have both have to say.  Whitmer or Newsom, that's a no from me dog.

I think Vance is the obvious leader for Republicans at this time.  The concern is that he is much more in the spotlight than past VPs, which will give the Leftie MSM plenty of stuff to rally lemmings around (e.g., he was mean to Zelensky$#@!).  Don Jr., eesh, I hope it doesn't come to that.

[Sean Mooney 1,923]

16 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I think Shapiro would be a good candidate; unfortunately he has chronic Jew-itis, which would likely disqualify him from the Hamas-loving wing of the party.  Gallego is interesting -- he seems much more purple now than his smurf-blue record while in AZ politics.  I think there are some skeletons in his closet about his divorce from Kate Gallego (mayor of Phoenix) which haven't come out yet.  Or maybe they have; I don't follow that kinda stuff that closely.  I'd at least listen to what they have both have to say.  Whitmer or Newsom, that's a no from me dog.

I think Vance is the obvious leader for Republicans at this time.  The concern is that he is much more in the spotlight than past VPs, which will give the Leftie MSM plenty of stuff to rally lemmings around (e.g., he was mean to Zelensky$#@!).  Don Jr., eesh, I hope it doesn't come to that.

 

I really hope it isn't Don Jr. either but those rumors are there. At least with his dad you can make a case for him building a company and fortune. Donald Jr. has done nothing. And I know it should be Vance but it wouldn't surprise me if Trump decided to buck the convention there. 

 

[Maximum Overkill 1,722]

1 hour ago, Sean Mooney said:

 

I really hope it isn't Don Jr. either but those rumors are there. At least with his dad you can make a case for him building a company and fortune. Donald Jr. has done nothing. And I know it should be Vance but it wouldn't surprise me if Trump decided to buck the convention there. 

 

Vance/Trump Jr would win in a landslides. The Democrat Party is falling apart 

[RLLD 4,143]

 

[Voltaire 5,160]

5 hours ago, RLLD said:

 

He makes a lot of sense. Hopefully they don't listen to him.

[RLLD 4,143]

43 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

He makes a lot of sense. Hopefully they don't listen to him.

So far so good.  The problem with behaving like a cult is that you cannot adapt. They are simply stuck in place. They want to tell the rest of us how its all supposed to be, and refuse to listen to us. 

[RLLD 4,143]