SaintsInDome2006 380 Posted 23 hours ago 1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said: You liked auto-pen? I have news for you, Trump uses autopen and he used it frequently in his 1st term. All presidents since I think Clinton or Bush Jr. have used it. But no I do not like it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 14,934 Posted 23 hours ago 5 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said: I have news for you, Trump uses autopen and he used it frequently in his 1st term. All presidents since I think Clinton or Bush Jr. have used it. But no I do not like it. Trump used it for things like shutting down natural gas sales and thousands of last minute pardons or autographs to little league teams? The fact you think it’s the same says a lot about the level of ignorance you’re operating with. Good grief. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SaintsInDome2006 380 Posted 23 hours ago 1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Trump used it for things like shutting down natural gas sales and thousands of last minute pardons or autographs to little league teams? The fact you think it’s the same says a lot about the level of ignorance you’re operating with. Good grief. I seriously doubt the veracity of that claim. But ok take the pardons - is there anything the maga crowd and Trump himself would love more than indicting Liz Cheney or Hunter Biden? They're not going to reverse or cancel the pardons because claiming they are illegal will just mean their own actions big or small could be reversed on the same basis. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 14,934 Posted 23 hours ago 12 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said: I seriously doubt the veracity of that claim. But ok take the pardons - is there anything the maga crowd and Trump himself would love more than indicting Liz Cheney or Hunter Biden? They're not going to reverse or cancel the pardons because claiming they are illegal will just mean their own actions big or small could be reversed on the same basis. You think he went over the thousand pardons that were granted in the last days of his tenure? That vegetable? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SaintsInDome2006 380 Posted 23 hours ago 3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: You think he went over the thousand pardons that were granted in the last days of his tenure? That vegetable? Well you raise a good point - didn't Trump pardon a bunch of drug dealers after the visit from Kanye West and Kim Kardashian? And didn't he just do it again with Jan6 convicts? I mean I'm all ears, but you believe or know that Trump personally sat down and scrawled out those hundreds of pardons? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 14,934 Posted 22 hours ago 2 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said: Well you raise a good point - didn't Trump pardon a bunch of drug dealers after the visit from Kanye West and Kim Kardashian? And didn't he just do it again with Jan6 convicts? I mean I'm all ears, but you believe or know that Trump personally sat down and scrawled out those hundreds of pardons? That was all one incident. It was a blanket pardon. Bidens were individual pardons. Not the same. Neither good, but Bidens was obviously being done by someone else. Trumps weren’t. Do you really need all of this explained to you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SaintsInDome2006 380 Posted 22 hours ago 4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: That was all one incident. It was a blanket pardon. Bidens were individual pardons. Not the same. Neither good, but Bidens was obviously being done by someone else. Trumps weren’t. Do you really need all of this explained to you? Whoa who whoa. You're arguing that Biden needed someone to secretly sign his own name to his son's pardon? Or Liz Cheney's? And select them for pardons? And this secret person (who would be...?) didn't want to include Biden himself in that? And the blanket pardon was ok because... why? After the March Rich scandal - which was absolutely disgusting - a whole process of DOJ and WH counsel review was set up to prevent corrupt and just bad pardons. And Trump eschewed all that in the prior and current term. Who made that list of drug convicts and Jan6 names, you think Donald did that? And frankly I'd rather you tell me Trump's en-masse pardons were done by someone else because some pretty awful violent people got out. As much as I think poorly of DJT I'd really like to think my president was not personally reviewing the files and approving each of those names. And I'm not talking political stuff. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 5,097 Posted 19 hours ago 3 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said: She was put in charge of the southern border. It’s better we judge people on results rather than your hysterical screeching. No she wasn't, you are lying again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 14,934 Posted 19 hours ago 3 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said: No she wasn't, you are lying again. Nah. We all know she was. That’s why Lester Holt asked her if she had been to the border yet. You like to rewrite history. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,057 Posted 19 hours ago 4 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said: Right, because they’re worried Stefanik will lose her seat. whats even more ludicrous is Rubio is now NSA, & maybe Stephen Miller (!) will take over from him. Stephen Miller? Peewee German? No thank you. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 14,934 Posted 19 hours ago 4 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said: Stephen Miller? Peewee German? No thank you. Your input is not being considered. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites