Harvard & Trump Thread: Harvard PREVAILS in its lawsuit against the Trump administration

[Ron_Artest 1,769]

Another win for Harvard and another loss for chump.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/20/politics/harvard-foreign-students-ruling

Judge rules trump can't stop foreign students from attending Harvard.

After the loss trump chickened out and said he's ready for a deal 

[squistion 2,344]

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,627]

“Behind every catastrophic in American history, there’s a Harvard man” - Thomas Sowell-  Harvard 58’

[jerryskids 6,941]

I'm not really following this.  Does Harvard have some constitutional right to get taxpayer money?   

[jonnyutah 376]

55 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I'm not really following this.  Does Harvard have some constitutional right to get taxpayer money?   

According to activist judges, yes. 

[The Real timschochet 7,057]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

I'm not really following this.  Does Harvard have some constitutional right to get taxpayer money?   

No. But if Congress and Harvard reach an agreement regarding taxpayer money, the President can’t stop it. 
 

This is the same principle with foreign aid, with tariffs, and several other issues. Congress has the power of the pocketbook according to the Constitution. Trump keeps trying to abrogate that power for himself. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,266]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

No. But if Congress and Harvard reach an agreement regarding taxpayer money, the President can’t stop it. 
 

This is the same principle with foreign aid, with tariffs, and several other issues. Congress has the power of the pocketbook according to the Constitution. Trump keeps trying to abrogate that power for himself. 

Congress has the power of the pocketbook, but the president has to execute that. That's not congress's job. If the president doesn't want to execute it then it doesn't matter what Harvard says.

This will get appealed and overturned like all of the other activist judges rulings.

[Horseman 2,622]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

No. But if Congress and Harvard reach an agreement regarding taxpayer money, the President can’t stop it. 
 

This is the same principle with foreign aid, with tariffs, and several other issues. Congress has the power of the pocketbook according to the Constitution. Trump keeps trying to abrogate that power for himself. 

 What Life Losers do on game night. 

[nobody 2,742]

4 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Trump keeps trying to abrogate that power for himself. 

Bro, just say "take" or "usurp" if you want to be fancy.  

[Ron_Artest 1,769]

Trump doesn't want to take away aid to Harvard, he wants to shape Harvard policy around admissions and education policy, and he's extorting Harvard saying if he doesn't get his way then he will pull the aid.

Also, the aid goes to research which helps all of us.  This isn't about rich liberal kids getting free tuition.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,627]

1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

Trump doesn't want to take away aid to Harvard, he wants to shape Harvard policy around admissions and education policy, and he's extorting Harvard saying if he doesn't get his way then he will pull the aid.

Also, the aid goes to research which helps all of us.  This isn't about rich liberal kids getting free tuition.

Lol. Yeah, it’s all research. 

[Ron_Artest 1,769]

22 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Lol. Yeah, it’s all research. 

In case you feel like educating yourself 

What Research Is at Risk in Harvard’s Federal Funding Cuts? | Harvard Magazine https://share.google/FN3TUToVAjDHAgszX

[Hardcore troubadour 15,627]

1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

In case you feel like educating yourself 

What Research Is at Risk in Harvard’s Federal Funding Cuts? | Harvard Magazine https://share.google/FN3TUToVAjDHAgszX

Didn’t take long scrolling down that list of 1k to find complete bullshit research going on. Why people drank and used drugs more during covid? I know! They had nothing else to do. Everything was locked down and they were getting money from the govt. Where do I pick up my check? 2.6 million. I’m sure there’s good stuff, and I know there’s a ton of bullshit. I especially like the part where they say the pharmaceutical companies can’t afford to pay for the research. Someone needs an education all right. And stop posting things you haven’t read all the way through.  

[Fnord 2,327]

14 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Didn’t take long scrolling down that list of 1k to find complete bullshit research going on. Why people drank and used drugs more during covid? I know! They had nothing else to do. Everything was locked down and they were getting money from the govt. Where do I pick up my check? 2.6 million. I’m sure there’s good stuff, and I know there’s a ton of bullshit. I especially like the part where they say the pharmaceutical companies can’t afford to pay for the research. Someone needs an education all right. And stop posting things you haven’t read all the way through.  

TL;DR

[jerryskids 6,941]

10 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

No. But if Congress and Harvard reach an agreement regarding taxpayer money, the President can’t stop it. 
 

This is the same principle with foreign aid, with tariffs, and several other issues. Congress has the power of the pocketbook according to the Constitution. Trump keeps trying to abrogate that power for himself. 

Congress passed a specific bill providing aid to Harvard?  

3 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

Trump doesn't want to take away aid to Harvard, he wants to shape Harvard policy around admissions and education policy, and he's extorting Harvard saying if he doesn't get his way then he will pull the aid.

Also, the aid goes to research which helps all of us.  This isn't about rich liberal kids getting free tuition.

ChatGPT results:

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For fiscal year 2024, indirect costs, which cover administrative and facility expenses for federal grants, represented approximately 38.4% of the total federal grants Harvard received that year, or about $190.4 million out of $686.5 million. However, the university negotiates rates that can vary, and in some cases, up to 69% of federal research grant funds are allocated for these indirect costs. 

 

Breakdown of Federal Grant Costs at Harvard (FY2024) 

 

• Total Federal Grants: $686.5 million
• Direct Costs: $496.1 million (funds for research staff, supplies, and materials)
• Indirect Costs (Overhead): $190.4 million (for specialized facilities, utilities, personnel, and administrative expenses)

Also, Harvard is "abysmal" regarding free speech.

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Harvard comes in dead last in nationwide free speech rankings

This is the second consecutive year that Harvard was found to be the worst college or university for free speech. Its climate of free speech was deemed to be "abysmal."

By Ross Cristantiello

September 5, 2024

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Harvard University is the nation’s worst higher education institution when it comes to valuing and promoting free speech, at least according to a recently released report that draws on responses from more than 58,000 students across 251 colleges and universities.

While the Israel-Hamas war and the subsequent student protest movement heightened tensions and impacted the expression of free speech on campuses across America, Harvard was particularly affected by high-profile controversies and clashes.

Harvard has consistently received poor marks in the annual College Free Speech Rankings from the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression (FIRE) and College Pulse. It ranked dead last in both the 2023 and 2024 findings.

The climate of free speech at Harvard was slapped with an “abysmal” rating by FIRE. Of all the schools examined, only Harvard, Columbia University, and New York University received “abysmal” ratings. Harvard received a score of -21.58, which was rounded up to zero. For context, the top-scoring institution was the University of Virginia, which received an overall score of 73.41. 

The rankings are determined by a composite score that combines 14 different components. Half of these assess student perceptions of aspects of free speech, and the other seven components assess the behavior of administrators, faculty, and students regarding free expression. 

“It’s hard to tell whether Harvard students or administrators are more hostile to free speech,” FIRE Chief Research Advisor Sean Stevens said in a statement. “In the past year, students substantially disrupted two campus events and tried to disrupt three more, and the university canceled a speaking event by congressmen Jake Auchincloss and Ro Khanna days after Auchincloss criticized then-President Claudine Gay’s inconsistent defense of free speech.”

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https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2024/09/05/harvard-comes-in-dead-last-in-nationwide-free-speech-rankings/#:~:text=Harvard has consistently received poor,the 2023 and 2024 findings.

[Fnord 2,327]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

Congress passed a specific bill providing aid to Harvard?  

ChatGPT results:

Also, Harvard is "abysmal" regarding free speech.

https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2024/09/05/harvard-comes-in-dead-last-in-nationwide-free-speech-rankings/#:~:text=Harvard has consistently received poor,the 2023 and 2024 findings.

Congress passed funding bills allocating money to myriad orgs. They control the purse. Donald is ignoring that constitutional separation and illegally cutting off funding.

I care about any POTUS doing this, not just our current one. It is an overreach, and example eleventy billion of Trump ignoring laws and norms that he finds inconvenient. I do not give a crap about Harvard's endowment or funding. They are an elitist institution that over time has produced any number of degenerate swine that have swindled, lied, distorted, and damaged the US. Their lack of free speech principles is appalling. 

Harvard sucks. But that has zero to do with the primary concern: Trump's continuing assault on American law.

[squistion 2,344]

4 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Congress passed funding bills allocating money to myriad orgs. They control the purse. Donald is ignoring that constitutional separation and illegally cutting off funding.

I care about any POTUS doing this, not just our current one. It is an overreach, and example eleventy billion of Trump ignoring laws and norms that he finds inconvenient. I do not give a crap about Harvard's endowment or funding. They are an elitist institution that over time has produced any number of degenerate swine that have swindled, lied, distorted, and damaged the US. Their lack of free speech principles is appalling. 

Harvard sucks. But that has zero to do with the primary concern: Trump's continuing assault on American law.

Don't you love it where they now suddenly care about "free speech" at Harvard? 

[nobody 2,742]

Fock Harvard.  They don't need money from the government.

Let's not act like that isn't some kickback BS.

[Ron_Artest 1,769]

I love how people can justify defying the constitution.

Remember this when the Democrat president does the same thing and you're on the wrong side.

[nobody 2,742]

It's defying the constitution to not give money to Harvard?  I don't care about their admission policies.  They don't need money from taxpayers.  end of story.

[Ron_Artest 1,769]

1 minute ago, nobody said:

It's defying the constitution to not give money to Harvard?  I don't care about their admission policies.  They don't need money from taxpayers.  end of story.

Then vote in members of congress that run on not giving money to harvard.  If congress gives them the money, the president can't stop it.

Now, if you want to talk about what that money is used for, scientific research, then maybe you might change your tune.  The average maga idiot like yourself thinks Harvard is giving that money to foreign students so they can learn gender studies.  The reality is this type of research has resulted in many scientific breakthroughs that benefit all of us.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,627]

19 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

I love how people can justify defying the constitution.

Remember this when the Democrat president does the same thing and you're on the wrong side.

The last one did. And the one before that. Obama has had numerous matters before scotus found to be unconstitutional.  Like Obamacare.  

[nobody 2,742]

1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

Then vote in members of congress that run on not giving money to harvard.  If congress gives them the money, the president can't stop it.

Now, if you want to talk about what that money is used for, scientific research, then maybe you might change your tune.  The average maga idiot like yourself thinks Harvard is giving that money to foreign students so they can learn gender studies.  The reality is this type of research has resulted in many scientific breakthroughs that benefit all of us.

A wokie is lecturing me on good uses of money.   

You were cool with shutting down the economy over covid like a fool.  We don't need your opinion on the economy.  Not sure why you aren't too embarrassed to give it to be honest.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,627]

If it’s not about rich kids tuition (some of it is) then it’s most certainly about rich professors and researchers and college administrators getting paid.  50 plus billion dollar endowment. Pay for it yourself. Let Harvard keep all the money that’s made from their research. Oh wait…….

[Hardcore troubadour 15,627]

Harvard owns over 5800 patents. So do the taxpayers get a cut, seeing as they paid for the research that went into them?

[nobody 2,742]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

If it’s not about rich kids tuition (some of it is) then it’s most certainly about rich professors and researchers and college administrators getting paid.  50 plus billion dollar endowment. Pay for it yourself. Let Harvard keep all the money that’s made from their research. Oh wait…….

Dead nuts on.  The money is for scientific breakthroughs!  Spoken like the gullible chump that he is never met one of these career academics that float from grant to grant never producing sh¡t.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,627]

1 minute ago, nobody said:

Dead nuts on.  The money is for scientific breakthroughs!  Spoken like the gullible chump that he is never met one of these career academics that float from grant to grant never producing sh¡t.

Shrimp on treadmills.  

[The Real timschochet 7,057]

17 minutes ago, nobody said:

It's defying the constitution to not give money to Harvard?  

Yes. It’s for Congress to decide not the President. Not you either. You don’t like it, vote somebody else in. Or wrote a letter to your Congressperson. Those are your choices. Any other solution is a violation of the Constitution. Everything else you’ve written about this is completely irrelevant. HTH

[Ron_Artest 1,769]

12 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

The last one did. And the one before that. Obama has had numerous matters before scotus found to be unconstitutional.  Like Obamacare.  

More whataboutism.

When did Biden defy a SCOTUS order?

[seafoam1 3,231]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

Yes. It’s for Congress to decide not the President. Not you either. You don’t like it, vote somebody else in. Or wrote a letter to your Congressperson. Those are your choices. Any other solution is a violation of the Constitution. Everything else you’ve written about this is completely irrelevant. HTH

How do you do it? 

How do you get absolutely everything wrong? It's amazing. 

[nobody 2,742]

5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Yes. It’s for Congress to decide not the President. Not you either. You don’t like it, vote somebody else in. Or wrote a letter to your Congressperson. Those are your choices. Any other solution is a violation of the Constitution. Everything else you’ve written about this is completely irrelevant. HTH

Okay, since we're so worried about the constitution in this matter...  I know there are laws that must show the money was spent only on the research.  The money must be allocated with fair bidding practices.  Can we see the audits of the spending to make sure it wasn't wasted?  Because we want to follow the laws right?

I'm all about this.  Let's follow the laws and watch everyone go to jail.

[The Real timschochet 7,057]

1 minute ago, seafoam1 said:

How do you do it? 

How do you get absolutely everything right? It's amazing. 

Easy. I study your posts and take the opposite position. It’s pretty infallible. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,627]

4 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

More whataboutism.

When did Biden defy a SCOTUS order?

He defied Congress.  He even said so. “ we did it anyway”. Stop with this. 

[The Real timschochet 7,057]

Just now, nobody said:

Okay, since we're so worried about the constitution in this matter.  I know there are laws that must show the money was spent only on the research.  The money must be allocated with fair bidding practices.  Can we see the audits of the spending to make sure it wasn't wasted?  Because we want to follow the laws right?

Sure. There has to be proper auditing. Unfortunately DOGE cut a lot of the people who do this so I have no idea how long it’s going to take. In the meantime the President has no ability to withhold funds based on guesswork and politics he doesn’t like. 

[nobody 2,742]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

Sure. There has to be proper auditing. Unfortunately DOGE cut a lot of the people who do this so I have no idea how long it’s going to take. In the meantime the President has no ability to withhold funds based on guesswork and politics he doesn’t like. 

DOGE cut the people auditing Harvard's federal grant money spending?  Tell me more.

[nobody 2,742]

The fact that harvard is even fighting so hard for this money should tell you they shouldn't have it.  Just another boondoggle.

School has a 53 billion dollar endowment and crying poor and can't do research.

[seafoam1 3,231]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I never know what I'm talking about. I just am fat and bitter and I hate it that Trump is making this country a better place.

Got it. 

[seafoam1 3,231]

It it feels good seeing the liberals being so upset everyday. 

[Ron_Artest 1,769]

4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

He defied Congress.  He even said so. “ we did it anyway”. Stop with this. 

With what?  You're not gonna say Student loan forgiveness are you?  Because I already schooled you on this multiple times.  You couldn't possibly be dumb enough to say again.

So tell me, what did Biden do?  Back up your BS.

[Ron_Artest 1,769]

3 minutes ago, nobody said:

The fact that harvard is even fighting so hard for this money should tell you they shouldn't have it.

 

So when someone fights for money, your logic is they shouldn't have it?

And then I guess when someone doesn't care about money, then we should give it them.

Alrighty then.