Musk's exit from the Magaverse

[Sean Mooney 1,955]

1 hour ago, 5-Points said:

The government should be run like a company. A company with accountability to the share holders. The American people are the share holders and this government has been unaccountable to us for far too long. 

Time to trim some fat. If you don't like it, take your talents and get a job in the private sector. 

No it really shouldn't. Also, the government is accountable to tax payers who pay into the system and need things like SSI, and food welfare programs, and many other various resources that are being either shuttered or dumped into other departments to be run inefficiently. 

We should've kept departments, and found ways to cut inside of them without chainsawing everything to the ground and figuring out afterwards how to rebuild it. 

[HellToupee 1,645]

6 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Of course govt retirements take too long.  Is it because of a top secret elevator in a mine shaft in PA?  Of course not.  Don't be a moron.

You f’n idiot you have zero knowledge on this subject . Don’t be such an insufferable blowhard. Everything is done by hand for every federal employee in that little  fiefdom . This is a nonpartisan issue for federal employees 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,101]

Just now, HellToupee said:

You f’n idiot you have zero knowledge on this subject . Don’t be such an insufferable blowhard. Everything is done by hand for every federal employee in that little  fiefdom . This is a nonpartisan issue for federal employees 

Gutterboy is a work at home non essential. His experience in all matters is vast. Defer to him even if it’s your area of employment.  

[Ron_Artest 1,197]

Agreed, the government should not run like a corporation.  A government's responsibility is to the health, safety and well being of its citizens.  A government doesn't have shareholders.

[Ron_Artest 1,197]

2 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

You f’n idiot you have zero knowledge on this subject . Don’t be such an insufferable blowhard. Everything is done by hand for every federal employee in that little  fiefdom . This is a nonpartisan issue for federal employees 

You're telling me that the elevator in that mine is what is causing the retirement lead time?  That's what we're discussing here.  Final answer?

[Ron_Artest 1,197]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Gutterboy is a work at home non essential. His experience in all matters is vast. Defer to him even if it’s your area of employment.  

You're on board with the mine elevator theory too?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,101]

Just now, Ron_Artest said:

You're on board with the mine elevator theory too?

I’m on board with you throwing shitt out there without a clue. 

[Ron_Artest 1,197]

6 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I’m on board with you throwing shitt out there without a clue. 

What am I wrong about?

[jbycho 690]

11 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

What am I wrong about?

Easier question would be, what have you ever been right about? 

'Nothing' is the answer.

[HellToupee 1,645]

32 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

You're telling me that the elevator in that mine is what is causing the retirement lead time?  That's what we're discussing here.  Final answer?

You seem to struggle with basic reading 

[Ron_Artest 1,197]

26 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

You seem to struggle with basic reading 

I can read just fine.  You keep telling me how long it takes for federal employees to retire.  I never said it didn't.  I don't know why you ever responded to me unless you disagree with the actual point I made is that Musk was full of sh1t when he said the elevator in the mine was holding up retirements.

[5-Points 3,430]

23 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

No it really shouldn't. Also, the government is accountable to tax payers who pay into the system and need things like SSI, and food welfare programs, and many other various resources that are being either shuttered or dumped into other departments to be run inefficiently. 

We should've kept departments, and found ways to cut inside of them without chainsawing everything to the ground and figuring out afterwards how to rebuild it. 

The federal government shouldn't be involved in food welfare programs. That should be up to the states to handle. 

It's your opinion that things will be run inefficiently but you really don't know. You assume the worst case scenario. Let it play out. 

[Sean Mooney 1,955]

On 5/3/2025 at 8:57 AM, 5-Points said:

The federal government shouldn't be involved in food welfare programs. That should be up to the states to handle. 

It's your opinion that things will be run inefficiently but you really don't know. You assume the worst case scenario. Let it play out. 

 

They will be run inefficiently. If they didn't run efficiently with 100 employees, it isn't going to run better with 50. 

[5-Points 3,430]

43 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

 

They will be run inefficiently. If they didn't run efficiently with 100 employees, it isn't going to run better with 50. 

You don't know that. 

Things can run more efficiently without the redundancy that so many government agencies are rife with. 

You just don't like Trump and Musk so you want them to fail. 

[Sean Mooney 1,955]

3 hours ago, 5-Points said:

You don't know that. 

Things can run more efficiently without the redundancy that so many government agencies are rife with. 

You just don't like Trump and Musk so you want them to fail. 

No the difference between me and someone else (I won't presume you, but it could be you) is I don't root for them to fail. I don't root for any Presidents to fail because it would hurt the US regardless of whether I voted for them or not. Treating political parties like teams one roots for is childish.

And yes I do know that- again- they took agencies specifically for certain things, cut those agencies down and/or rolled what they do into other agencies that they were also cutting down. So you have half the people doing twice the work. That never works. But yeah- maybe this will be the time it does.  

[SaintsInDome2006 440]

4 hours ago, 5-Points said:

You don't know that. 

Things can run more efficiently without the redundancy that so many government agencies are rife with. 

You just don't like Trump and Musk so you want them to fail. 

I'll give you some examples of situations where redundancies are built in as an improvement: nuclear plants, oil wells and space travel. Now if you or I don't understand how those three things work we might well walk in and say, why it looks like they're doing the same thing repeatedly in different ways for no reason. But why? Because of the risk of failure, because humans and processes and assumptions break down. Eliminating or ignoring redundancies can be very costly and dangerous.

[5-Points 3,430]

5 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

No the difference between me and someone else (I won't presume you, but it could be you) is I don't root for them to fail. I don't root for any Presidents to fail because it would hurt the US regardless of whether I voted for them or not. Treating political parties like teams one roots for is childish.

And yes I do know that- again- they took agencies specifically for certain things, cut those agencies down and/or rolled what they do into other agencies that they were also cutting down. So you have half the people doing twice the work. That never works. But yeah- maybe this will be the time it does.  

 

4 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I'll give you some examples of situations where redundancies are built in as an improvement: nuclear plants, oil wells and space travel. Now if you or I don't understand how those three things work we might well walk in and say, why it looks like they're doing the same thing repeatedly in different ways for no reason. But why? Because of the risk of failure, because humans and processes and assumptions break down. Eliminating or ignoring redundancies can be very costly and dangerous.

When it comes to government, especially the federal government, redundancies are built in to artificially inflate the size of government. 

Take the DMV, for example. How inefficiently is that .gov agency run? 

We could reduce the number of DMV employees, incentives those who remain based on the number of people they "service" per day and make the DMV much more efficient. 

The same is true for most government agencies that don't deal with national security. 

[Sean Mooney 1,955]

15 hours ago, 5-Points said:

 

When it comes to government, especially the federal government, redundancies are built in to artificially inflate the size of government. 

Take the DMV, for example. How inefficiently is that .gov agency run? 

We could reduce the number of DMV employees, incentives those who remain based on the number of people they "service" per day and make the DMV much more efficient. 

The same is true for most government agencies that don't deal with national security. 

The DMV moves slow because there are never enough lines open and the computer systems are antiquated and slow.

So let's cut people across all departments meaning now you have even less lines open and less people to work on the antiquated computer systems. 

Again- all they are doing is creating more work for less people which leads to burnout and a constant turnover of training people and people less inclined to do their job well because of being overworked.

 

[5-Points 3,430]

48 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

The DMV moves slow because there are never enough lines open and the computer systems are antiquated and slow.

So let's cut people across all departments meaning now you have even less lines open and less people to work on the antiquated computer systems. 

Again- all they are doing is creating more work for less people which leads to burnout and a constant turnover of training people and people less inclined to do their job well because of being overworked.

 

That's not why the DMV is slow. 

Pay the employees a bonus based on the number of people they service in a day/week/month and watch things miraculously speed up. 

[seafoam1 2,853]

39 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

The DMV moves slow because there are never enough lines open and the computer systems are antiquated and slow.

So let's cut people across all departments meaning now you have even less lines open and less people to work on the antiquated computer systems. 

Again- all they are doing is creating more work for less people which leads to burnout and a constant turnover of training people and people less inclined to do their job well because of being overworked.

 

Wow. Don't ever give up your babysitting job moonsack. You would never succeed at business. 

[Sean Mooney 1,955]

30 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

That's not why the DMV is slow. 

Pay the employees a bonus based on the number of people they service in a day/week/month and watch things miraculously speed up. 

Ok Jan

[5-Points 3,430]

9 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

Ok Jan

Incentives are much more effective at increasing productivity than an hourly wage with no standards or quotas, Cindy. 

[Horseman 2,427]

On 5/2/2025 at 10:51 AM, Ron_Artest said:

I can read just fine.  You keep telling me how long it takes for federal employees to retire.  I never said it didn't.  I don't know why you ever responded to me unless you disagree with the actual point I made is that Musk was full of sh1t when he said the elevator in the mine was holding up retirements.

You don't read just fine when every poster responding to you realizes the elevator "example" was over stated.  The fact that remains true is that it takes 3 to 5 months for retirement paperwork.  You're literally the only person hung up on the elevator.  He responded to you because he thought you were smart enough to be talking about the larger point. That was his mistake, of course you're hanging your hat on the elevator, it's what tiny brain does.  

[Ron_Artest 1,197]

11 minutes ago, Horseman said:

You don't read just fine when every poster responding to you realizes the elevator "example" was over stated.  The fact that remains true is that it takes 3 to 5 months for retirement paperwork.  You're literally the only person hung up on the elevator.  He responded to you because he thought you were smart enough to be talking about the larger point. That was his mistake, of course you're hanging your hat on the elevator, it's what tiny brain does.  

The third grade summaries are my favorite

[Hardcore troubadour 15,101]

19 minutes ago, Horseman said:

You don't read just fine when every poster responding to you realizes the elevator "example" was over stated.  The fact that remains true is that it takes 3 to 5 months for retirement paperwork.  You're literally the only person hung up on the elevator.  He responded to you because he thought you were smart enough to be talking about the larger point. That was his mistake, of course you're hanging your hat on the elevator, it's what tiny brain does.  

Tedious would be going easy on Gutterboy.  The always contrarian thing is supposed to be out of your system before middle age. Not him. 

[Ron_Artest 1,197]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Tedious would be going easy on Gutterboy.  The always contrarian thing is supposed to be out of your system before middle age. Not him. 

Always contrarian?  @nobody just wrote a 400 word essay on how I just say whatever everyone else says.  You guys need to get on the same page.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,101]

4 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Always contrarian?  @nobody just wrote a 400 word essay on how I just say whatever everyone else says.  You guys need to get on the same page.

You can use other people’s words to be contrarian. Hard to believe I just had to write that. 

[Horseman 2,427]

18 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

The third grade summaries are my favorite

I tried to dumb it down, did you understand?

[Ron_Artest 1,197]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

You can use other people’s words to be contrarian. Hard to believe I just had to write that. 

A contrarian is the opposite of a follower, dummy.

If some people think i'm a contrarian and others just call me a follower, probably means I'm pretty independent.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,101]

Just now, Ron_Artest said:

A contrarian is the opposite of a follower, dummy.

If some people think i'm a contrarian and others just call me a follower, probably means I'm pretty independent.

 

I’ll say it again: you can use other people’s words to be contrarian. 

[Ron_Artest 1,197]

2 minutes ago, Horseman said:

I tried to dumb it down, did you understand?

Yes I understand but you clearly don't.  Find my quote where I denied that it takes a long time to retire from the federal govt. then maybe you'll understand.

If we can all agree that Musk was full of sh1t when he talked about the elevator in the mine holding up a retirement then great, we're all on the same page.

It's still funny that Jerry thought Musk uncovered a secret cave that was some big scandal. 

[Ron_Artest 1,197]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I’ll say it again: you can use other people’s words to be contrarian. 

Sure, and I'll say it again, being a contrarian is the opposite of being a follower.

[Horseman 2,427]

1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

Yes I understand but you clearly don't.  Find my quote where I denied that it takes a long time to retire from the federal govt. then maybe you'll understand.

You clearly don't understand the third grade level explanation if youre asking me to do that.  Try reading it again, if not, I tried. 

Fact is you have a reading compression problem. That's why you find yourself arguing semantics all the time. Oh look, why did he call me a contrairian?!?!  No, I don't suppose you'll grasp that either.  

 

[Ron_Artest 1,197]

2 minutes ago, Horseman said:

You clearly don't understand the third grade level explanation if youre asking me to do that.  Try reading it again, if not, I tried. 

Fact is you have a reading compression problem. That's why you find yourself arguing semantics all the time. Oh look, why did he call me a contrairian?!?!  No, I don't suppose you'll grasp that either.  

 

You're a very dumb person who thinks you're smart. It's called Dunning Kruger.  On top of that you love to argue because you're so insecure about yourself.

For whatever reason you bumped this from a week ago.  It was already dropped and I don't care enough to explain this to you.

[Horseman 2,427]

1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

You're a very dumb person who thinks you're smart. It's called Dunning Kruger.  On top of that you love to argue because you're so insecure about yourself.

For whatever reason you bumped this from a week ago.  It was already dropped and I don't care enough to explain this to you.

Jerry, HellToupee, HT, me.  Yeah we're all dumb and you can read just fine. There is a name for that, it's called ____________

[Sean Mooney 1,955]

13 hours ago, 5-Points said:

Incentives are much more effective at increasing productivity than an hourly wage with no standards or quotas, Cindy. 

There won't be incentives. It will just be- keep doing your job the same way as before. 

You've never worked for big business clearly. 

[Sean Mooney 1,955]

12 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

You're a very dumb person who thinks you're smart. It's called Dunning Kruger.  On top of that you love to argue because you're so insecure about yourself.

For whatever reason you bumped this from a week ago.  It was already dropped and I don't care enough to explain this to you.

Maybe you just have a "reading compression" problem?

[Ron_Artest 1,197]

1 hour ago, Sean Mooney said:

Maybe you just have a "reading compression" problem?

I didn't even see that.  Horsesh1t always does this.  He's so desperate for people to think he's smart but he's just a stupid person.

[5-Points 3,430]

1 hour ago, Sean Mooney said:

There won't be incentives. It will just be- keep doing your job the same way as before. 

You've never worked for big business clearly. 

 

[Sean Mooney 1,955]

1 minute ago, 5-Points said:

 

Let me guess- you are some bug business/corporation expert.