Judge Hannah Dugan arrested by FBI for allegedly helping undocumented immigrant 'evade arrest

[The Real timschochet 6,531]

3 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

The first time you get deported should just be a ticket for nonviolent offender. If they sneak in again, hopefully a few years in that funhouse in el Salvador will cure them of the itch to try a third time.

Voltaire despite my many strong disagreements with you I think you know I regard you as a smart guy with great integrity. So let me ask you: 

 Do you truly believe that the millions of undocumented people here who have NOT committed any violent crimes should be forcibly rounded up and deported? Even including those who came here as young children, or those who have served in our armed forces? 

[jbycho 628]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

 

 Do you truly believe that the millions of undocumented people here who have NOT committed any violent crimes should be forcibly rounded up and deported? 

Get rid of them now.

[The Real timschochet 6,531]

3 minutes ago, jbycho said:

Get rid of them now.

The question wasn’t meant for you. You’ve made yourself quite clear already. 

[Voltaire 5,207]

17 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Voltaire despite my many strong disagreements with you I think you know I regard you as a smart guy with great integrity. So let me ask you: 

 Do you truly believe that the millions of undocumented people here who have NOT committed any violent crimes should be forcibly rounded up and deported? Even including those who came here as young children, or those who have served in our armed forces? 

Truthfully, until the last few years, I never much minded having peaceable illegal immigrants present even though they do drive down blue-collar wages, make housing more expensive, and take up resources and make waits longer in places like shelters and clinics for the needy. Obey every other law (other than the original sin of sneaking in) and ... eh... whatever.

But things are so broken now because our good graces were taken advantage of and we absorbed way too many. I don't at all mind that large corrective measures are now being taken. Should be no welfare payments nor free stuff government subsidies, punishments for medium-to-large employers that hire illegals.

There was a time not so very long ago when I would have supported things like the Dream Act and whatnot. But I am not in the mood to revisit that any time soon. Get rid of the hurdles keeping the gang-bangers here first. Then kick the gang bangers out. When we get to the point where the criminals are gone and we start turning our attention to deporting grandmas, I'll reevaluate the situation.

[Voltaire 5,207]

All Democrats Say Their Health Plan Would Cover Undocumented Immigrants (youtube.com)

This is beyond the pale. US taxpayers should not subsidize the health care of illegal immigrants. This should be a non-starter. It makes HC so much mor expensive and the wait times for US citizens to go up like mad. You don't to set your country up as a magnet for illegal immigration by providing free stuff and no enforcement. No wonder things went crazy so quickly. This is/was one of many manufactured crisis by the United States' corporate mainstream left wing party.

Democrats are always pullng things like this with huge negative side effect consequences due to poor planning.

 It is this mentality of subsidizing bad behavior that has made the Democratic Party toxic on not just immigration, but other issues as well, like a 40% out-of-wedlock birth rate because poorly designed welfare programs where we want to help the most needy bit funds are low so what that actually means that generous payments to single moms go away on marriage actually dis-incetivises marriages.

[jbycho 628]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

The question wasn’t meant for you. You’ve made yourself quite clear already. 

I don't care. I'll continue my input. 

[Engorgeous George 2,171]

4 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

We’re talking here about undocumented immigrants not criminals. Most undocumented immigrants are not criminals and don’t deserve to be treated as such. 

We are talking about victim/witnesses testifying, or being willing to testify in court against their victimizers, or at least you were before you changed the subject rather than admit you had no idea what you were talking about.  As usual you try to oversell an idea or concept believing, not unlike Trump himself, that brio is a substitute for fact.When you do, which is as often as not, you simply end up looking foolish.  

[Engorgeous George 2,171]

4 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Do you regard Michael Luttig as a partisan advocate?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Michael_Luttig

Are you now going to cite to one legal expert to justify your foolishly overbroad original claim about legal experts (in the plural) as being correct.  You often maintain you want rational discussion and an exchange of ideas yet you abuse the rules of debate, discussion, and logic itself to simply spout your dogma.  It must be exhausting being you.  You have maybe 20 preprogrammed points and you share them again and again, thousands of times over.  I would think you bore yourself, more less others.  I can only imagine how bad it is to be you since on this one site we only get a fraction of your output.  From what you say you share the same tired drivel over and over again on other sites as well.

 

Time to get some new material.

[The Real timschochet 6,531]

6 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Are you now going to cite to one legal expert to justify your foolishly overbroad original claim about legal experts (in the plural) as being correct.  You often maintain you want rational discussion and an exchange of ideas yet you abuse the rules of debate, discussion, and logic itself to simply spout your dogma.  It must be exhausting being you.  You have maybe 20 preprogrammed points and you share them again and again, thousands of times over.  I would think you bore yourself, more less others.  I can only imagine how bad it is to be you since on this one site we only get a fraction of your output.  From what you say you share the same tired drivel over and over again on other sites as well.

 

Time to get some new material.

I noticed that, in your long insulting screed, you failed to answer the question. 

I’m often amused by your continual insults whenever you reply to me. Sometimes they’re smartly written and I enjoy those the most. Other times they’re patronizing and filled with pomposity. But I gotta tell ya, if your purpose is to make me feel bad about myself or stupid or whatever, it ain’t working. 

[Engorgeous George 2,171]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

I noticed that, in your long insulting screed, you failed to answer the question. 

I’m often amused by your continual insults whenever you reply to me. Sometimes they’re smartly written and I enjoy those the most. Other times they’re patronizing and filled with pomposity. But I gotta tell ya, if your purpose is to make me feel bad about myself or stupid or whatever, it ain’t working. 

It would take self awareness and introspection for you to feel bad about yourself.

[jerryskids 6,597]

44 minutes ago, jbycho said:

I don't care. I'll continue my input. 

It seems like whenever we get good dialog going, you chime in with idiocy like giving them the death penalty. 

I really hope you are trolling, because the thought of someone being this dumb is disturbing.

[jbycho 628]

Just now, jerryskids said:

It seems like whenever we get good dialog going, you chime in. 

It seems like whenever we get good dialog going, you chime in.

[jerryskids 6,597]

3 minutes ago, jbycho said:

It seems like whenever we get good dialog going, you chime in.

I would guess you are 12 yrs old, but that would be insulting to middle schoolers.

But hey, tell us how the death penalty is a good contribution to our discussion.

[nobody 2,581]

9 hours ago, supermike80 said:

How exactly does it affect judicial proceedings for a case that is unrelated to what they want?  They are outside the courtroom.  Their issue has nothing at all to do with the case at hand...unless its an immigration case.

Unless you're saying it interferes because judges break the law because they are out there?

But 100 people said she didn't do anything wrong.  Judge gotta be innocent.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,880]

7 minutes ago, nobody said:

But 100 people said she didn't do anything wrong.  Judge gotta be innocent.

They even signed a letter too!   

[jbycho 628]

37 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I would guess you are 12 yrs old, but that would be insulting to middle schoolers.

 

I would guess you are 12 yrs old, but that would be insulting to middle schoolers.

[jbycho 628]

Death penalty for illegals solves the problem. 

 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,880]

3 minutes ago, jbycho said:

Death penalty for illegals solves the problem. 

Dude, you gotta' stop with this.  This is exactly what the left points to.  I know you know it's an unreasonable and absurd position.  Let's tone it down a bit. 

[The Real timschochet 6,531]

1 hour ago, Engorgeous George said:

It would take self awareness and introspection for you to feel bad about yourself.

See now that one I enjoyed. 

[The Real timschochet 6,531]

6 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Dude, you gotta' stop with this.  This is exactly what the left points to.  I know you know it's an unreasonable and absurd position.  Let's tone it down a bit. 

I really do know that most of you here don’t subscribe to his bullsh!t. 

That being said, even wanting to deport every undocumented immigrant is an extremist position. Just as my call for open immigration is also an extremist position- I get that. Neither position is workable. Reasonable people should be able to come up with some compromise. 

[The Real timschochet 6,531]

2 hours ago, Voltaire said:

Truthfully, until the last few years, I never much minded having peaceable illegal immigrants present even though they do drive down blue-collar wages, make housing more expensive, and take up resources and make waits longer in places like shelters and clinics for the needy. Obey every other law (other than the original sin of sneaking in) and ... eh... whatever.

But things are so broken now because our good graces were taken advantage of and we absorbed way too many. I don't at all mind that large corrective measures are now being taken. Should be no welfare payments nor free stuff government subsidies, punishments for medium-to-large employers that hire illegals.

There was a time not so very long ago when I would have supported things like the Dream Act and whatnot. But I am not in the mood to revisit that any time soon. Get rid of the hurdles keeping the gang-bangers here first. Then kick the gang bangers out. When we get to the point where the criminals are gone and we start turning our attention to deporting grandmas, I'll reevaluate the situation.

Thanks for the response. I am for getting rid of the violent criminals and the gangbangers. I am not for getting rid of the “hurdles” if that means skirting due process. I guess that’s where we differ. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,880]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I really do know that most of you here don’t subscribe to his bullsh!t. 

That being said, even wanting to deport every undocumented immigrant is an extremist position. Just as my call for open immigration is also an extremist position- I get that. Neither position is workable. Reasonable people should be able to come up with some compromise. 

Incorrect.  That's your view, but that's not an extreme position at all.

[Dizkneelande 1,088]

2 hours ago, nobody said:

But 100 people said she didn't do anything wrong.  Judge gotta be innocent.

In old enough to remember when 51 intelligence experts claim the Hunter Biden laptop was Russian disinformation 

[jonnyutah 253]

Driving without insurance. Without a license. Without any training. Drunk, etc is a big deal and I am tired of people pretending it isnt. 

Even just the damn trailers on I17 dropping rocks and branches and blowing tires suck balls. 

These pieces of dung make society worse at every turn. I hate them.

 

[nobody 2,581]

3 hours ago, Dizkneelande said:

In old enough to remember when 51 intelligence experts claim the Hunter Biden laptop was Russian disinformation 

Another example of the appeal to authority tricking tim.

[seafoam1 2,820]

6 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

 deport every illegal

Agreed.