NPR story on DEI and how 2600 DEI workers have been fired

[Ron_Artest 1,197]

3 hours ago, nobody said:

It is a grift.  Race hustling has been around for a long time. Why do you think the change was made from equality to equity?  equity implies something is owed.

of course, you have to eat it right up.  

Wrong, equity has nothing about being owed you dummy, it's about outcomes and recognizing that people are different and need different support to achieve equal outcomes.  But RT is not going to explain this to you.

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10 hours ago, squistion said:

If the OP is too lazy to provide a link, I am not going to waste my time doing his work for him.

But you'll waste time complaining about it. You're retarded. 

[TimHauck 2,654]

8 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Focus gutter.  You are defending the DEI Leftist grift, even though anti-DEI sentiment had been growing before the mean orange man.

I think it’s fair to call DEI as a standalone department a “grift.”  But a lot of what it was intended to do can still be beneficial, it should just be like one person under the HR department.  Nothing wrong with stuff like this from the article:

“People in these jobs generally manage the practical logistics of trying to create workplaces that are more welcoming for all employees — and more attractive to a broader pool of qualified candidates.

Byrdsong Williams, for example, has created mentoring programs so that workers who don't come from the same schools or backgrounds as a company's top executives still have an opportunity to learn from them — and network. She's developed resource groups to give underrepresented workers a better peer support system. She's helped employers expand their recruiting efforts for new hires, for example by spending more time at historically Black colleges and universities.”

[Ron_Artest 1,197]

3 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I think it’s fair to call DEI as a standalone department a “grift.”  

Explain.  Who is the grifter?  How is the grift accomplished?  These "DEI people" are tricking corp America to hire them so they can do nothing and steal?  Makes no sense.

[TimHauck 2,654]

15 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Explain.  Who is the grifter?  How is the grift accomplished?  These "DEI people" are tricking corp America to hire them so they can do nothing and steal?  Makes no sense.

No I don’t think they are stealing, Obviously posts like this are absolute nonsense:

12 hours ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Turns out most of them were stealing, embezzling and looting from the companies anyways

By calling it a grift I more mean on the level of something like Dr. Peter McCullough and his “Wellness Company.”  He’s technically selling a product, it’s just a product no one needs (at least as its own department in terms of DEI).

[Hardcore troubadour 15,101]

Only low self esteem scared cucks would defend DEI. 

[Ron_Artest 1,197]

5 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

No I don’t think they are stealing, Obviously posts like this are absolute nonsense:

By calling it a grift I more mean on the level of something like Dr. Peter McCullough and his “Wellness Company.”  He’s technically selling a product, it’s just a product no one needs (at least as its own department in terms of DEI).

So your theory is that these people all got together and said we're going to sell ourselves to corp America that they need to hire us, then they'll do nothing and collect bogus salaries?  That's the grift?

[kilroy69 1,230]

2 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

So your theory is that these people all got together and said we're going to sell ourselves to corp America that they need to hire us, then they'll do nothing and collect bogus salaries?  That's the grift?

That is not what happened at all. What happened was corp America was forced into hiring mass amounts of DEI employees as a result of the white guilt surrounding George Floyds killing. They did not have an actual mission or goal. They were just tokens to show the company HAD these people on payroll. THEN when the economy slowed down the companies looked around and thought "why are we paying these people 200 million dollars collectively to do nothing?" and fired them, The funniest thing about the entire DEI discussion is that the policies did not even help that many people of color. The dirty little secret of DEI is that it overwhelmingly helped white women. DEI gave corporations cover with how it was set up. People of color counted but also ANY woman counted as DEI also. So companies hired them instead. 

[TimHauck 2,654]

7 minutes ago, kilroy69 said:

That is not what happened at all. What happened was corp America was forced into hiring mass amounts of DEI employees as a result of the white guilt surrounding George Floyds killing. They did not have an actual mission or goal. They were just tokens to show the company HAD these people on payroll. THEN when the economy slowed down the companies looked around and thought "why are we paying these people 200 million dollars collectively to do nothing?" and fired them   

DEI jobs had been steadily increasing long before George Floyd’s death, I don’t think he really had much to do with it.

Thank you for confirming the economy wasn’t bad during Biden’s term though.

[Tree of Knowledge 1,757]

Is Kamala included in the 2600?

[Ron_Artest 1,197]

11 minutes ago, kilroy69 said:

That is not what happened at all. What happened was corp America was forced into hiring mass amounts of DEI employees as a result of the white guilt surrounding George Floyds killing. They did not have an actual mission or goal. They were just tokens to show the company HAD these people on payroll. THEN when the economy slowed down the companies looked around and thought "why are we paying these people 200 million dollars collectively to do nothing?" and fired them, The funniest thing about the entire DEI discussion is that the policies did not even help that many people of color. The dirty little secret of DEI is that it overwhelmingly helped white women. DEI gave corporations cover with how it was set up. People of color counted but also ANY woman counted as DEI also. So companies hired them instead. 

Your own post of the story even though you didn't link it disproves that theory.  There were 12k "DEI" jobs before anyone ever heard of George Floyd and the prior year gains were in the 20% range prior to Floyd, and then maxed at 25% year after.  So there was a slight increase but since leveled off and now even lost jobs.  After the days of free money and hiring people just to hire them, there were cuts as expected.  The vast vast majority of fortune 500 companies still maintain DEI programs or goals even though they may call them something else these days as DEI has such a negative tone thanks to the maga idiots.

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How did dems convince themselves that completely useless employment is somehow a good thing? Especially when said employment is completely against the civil rights of the majority of americans. 

[Ron_Artest 1,197]

2 minutes ago, jonnyutah said:

How did dems convince themselves that completely useless employment is somehow a good thing? Especially when said employment is completely against the civil rights of the majority of americans. 

Completely useless employment is not a good thing.  We can all agree on that.  What we disagree on is whether DEI work is completely useless, and the role of the government to push this opinion onto corporations who disagree.  I say this my acknowledging that in most large corporations there is probably 10% of the staff across all functions that are completely useless.   My employer had a DEI function created during covid that was in fact completely useless and they were ultimately eliminated as they should have been, was 3 people.  We still have DEI goals and the function is housed in HR where it should be.  We took it a little too far and corrected.  Others have as well.  But our CEO is still committed to DEI as a practice just doing it in a matter that is beneficial and not completely useless.

[jerryskids 6,632]

11 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

DEI did not go away.  You're lying, or stupid.  Probably both.

I said going away, not gone away.  Is your idea of an "intelligent" discussion a failed attempt at a squizzy-level semantic gotcha?   

3 hours ago, TimHauck said:

I think it’s fair to call DEI as a standalone department a “grift.”  But a lot of what it was intended to do can still be beneficial, it should just be like one person under the HR department.  Nothing wrong with stuff like this from the article:

“People in these jobs generally manage the practical logistics of trying to create workplaces that are more welcoming for all employees — and more attractive to a broader pool of qualified candidates.

Byrdsong Williams, for example, has created mentoring programs so that workers who don't come from the same schools or backgrounds as a company's top executives still have an opportunity to learn from them — and network. She's developed resource groups to give underrepresented workers a better peer support system. She's helped employers expand their recruiting efforts for new hires, for example by spending more time at historically Black colleges and universities.”

I agree somewhat with this, but also, the road to Leftist hell is usually paid with good intentions.

[Ron_Artest 1,197]

7 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I said going away, not gone away.  Is your idea of an "intelligent" discussion a failed attempt at a squizzy-level semantic gotcha?   

My bad, you said "going away".  But it's still not going away.  Again, you're wrong.

[jonnyutah 257]

1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

Completely useless employment is not a good thing.  We can all agree on that.  What we disagree on is whether DEI work is completely useless, and the role of the government to push this opinion onto corporations who disagree.  I say this my acknowledging that in most large corporations there is probably 10% of the staff across all functions that are completely useless.   My employer had a DEI function created during covid that was in fact completely useless and they were ultimately eliminated as they should have been, was 3 people.  We still have DEI goals and the function is housed in HR where it should be.  We took it a little too far and corrected.  Others have as well.  But our CEO is still committed to DEI as a practice just doing it in a matter that is beneficial and not completely useless.

DEI as a goal is useless. Everybody knows this. Even you know this. 

Fairness is a worthwhile goal and that is often what is used as cover for diversity baloney. 

Make sure blacks get a fair shake, not shake to get more blacks. 

[Ron_Artest 1,197]

24 minutes ago, jonnyutah said:

DEI as a goal is useless. Everybody knows this. Even you know this. 

Fairness is a worthwhile goal and that is often what is used as cover for diversity baloney. 

Make sure blacks get a fair shake, not shake to get more blacks. 

It's not useless. Diversity and Inclusion is fairness, call it whatever you want.  Your last comment shows me your ignorance.

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15 hours ago, squistion said:

If the OP is too lazy to provide a link, I am not going to waste my time doing his work for him.

Then shut the F up and stay out of the thread. No one cares what you do with your time.

 

[CaptainObvious1 347]

Gutter thinks black folks can't get jobs on their own merits.  Racist POS

[jonnyutah 257]

11 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

It's not useless. Diversity and Inclusion is fairness, call it whatever you want.  Your last comment shows me your ignorance.

Lol. I can see why you support DEI. 

[Maximum Overkill 1,836]

14 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

It's not useless. Diversity and Inclusion is fairness, call it whatever you want.  Your last comment shows me your ignorance.

DEI is the most racist thing on the planet. The sheep that don't understand don't want to. 

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6 hours ago, TimHauck said:

43 minutes ago, jonnyutah said:

DEI as a goal is useless. Everybody knows this. Even you know this. 

Fairness is a worthwhile goal and that is often what is used as cover for diversity baloney. 

Byrdsong Williams, for example, has created mentoring programs so that workers who don't come from the same schools or backgrounds as a company's top executives still have an opportunity to learn from them — and network. She's developed resource groups to give underrepresented workers a better peer support system. She's helped employers expand their recruiting efforts for new hires, for example by spending more time at historically Black colleges and universities.”

@JohnnyUtah Do you feel that the above is useless? Seems like not only a laudable (and fair) goal, but also a way to reach out to talented individuals that may not have otherwise been inclined to submit a CV to a specific company. My employer has not, to my knowledge, removed ANY DEI staff, development, or goals. 

[TimHauck 2,654]

17 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

DEI is the most racist thing on the planet. 

Lol not even close 

[Maximum Overkill 1,836]

18 minutes ago, Fnord said:

spending more time at historically Black colleges and universities

That's racist 

[nobody 2,615]

6 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

Wrong, equity has nothing about being owed you dummy, it's about outcomes and recognizing that people are different and need different support to achieve equal outcomes.  But RT is not going to explain this to you.

In other words, owed more support and equal outcomes dummy.

[nobody 2,615]

24 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

DEI is the most racist thing on the planet. The sheep that don't understand don't want to. 

That would 90skid and cdub.

[nobody 2,615]

By the way, saying people should get equal outcomes is really dumb.  People should get equal chances.  Then let the best rise to the top.

 

[nobody 2,615]

5 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Only low self esteem scared cucks would defend DEI. 

His job told him to.  

[nobody 2,615]

The funny thing is they don't even know what diversity is.

I'm an engineer.  You know what valuable diversity is?  I have an electrical engineer, let's add a mechanical engineer, a physicist and maybe a mathematician.  That gives me a diverse set of perspectives and skills.  The culture of the person means almost nothing in engineering.  Maybe if I'm building a well in Siberia vs the desert, I may need someone who knows those climates.  

This is obvious shìt.  But you idiots think diversity equals add black people and women.  No one even articulates what specific diverse skill they're bringing, and you can't because if you say a black person looks at something different than a white person, well that's racist.

The reason it's a grift is simple.  Large corporations (that are good at least) don't make million dollar decisions on hand wavey BS.  You have to quantify everything with facts and data.  The whole thing is just to keep the race hustlers from coming after them.  Always has been.

 

[TimHauck 2,654]

14 minutes ago, nobody said:

By the way, saying people should get equal outcomes is really dumb.  People should get equal chances.  Then let the best rise to the top.

 

Would you say that before the rise of DEI that women and minorities got “equal chances” in the corporate world?

[Maximum Overkill 1,836]

1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

It's not useless. Diversity and Inclusion is fairness, call it whatever you want.  Your last comment shows me your ignorance.

You're a DEI poster 

[jerryskids 6,632]

1 hour ago, jonnyutah said:

DEI as a goal is useless. Everybody knows this. Even you know this. 

Fairness is a worthwhile goal and that is often what is used as cover for diversity baloney. 

Make sure blacks get a fair shake, not shake to get more blacks. 

A "fair shake" is equality.  @Ron_Artestsaid upthread, and since your post has repeated, that the goal of DEI is equity, which is equal outcomes.

Keep in mind that in some cultural circles, things like timeliness and math are racist.  So we'll just have to work around those inconveniences to change the way we do successful business.  Also to build bridges that don't collapse.   

[Ron_Artest 1,197]

32 minutes ago, nobody said:

In other words, owed more support and equal outcomes dummy.

No, not in other words   You're making up those words dummy.

[TimHauck 2,654]

8 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

A "fair shake" is equality.  @Ron_Artestsaid upthread, and since your post has repeated, that the goal of DEI is equity, which is equal outcomes.

Keep in mind that in some cultural circles, things like timeliness and math are racist.  So we'll just have to work around those inconveniences to change the way we do successful business.  Also to build bridges that don't collapse.   

So if we changed the E in DEI to Equality instead of Equity would conservatives be okay with it?

[Fnord 2,120]

5 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

A "fair shake" is equality.  @Ron_Artestsaid upthread, and since your post has repeated, that the goal of DEI is equity, which is equal outcomes.

Keep in mind that in some cultural circles, things like timeliness and math are racist.  So we'll just have to work around those inconveniences to change the way we do successful business.  Also to build bridges that don't collapse.   

Equity does not necessarily mean equal outcomes. That is not how these programs work, in my experience at least. It's about fairness, and making sure everyone has equal opportunity. From there it's on the individual to stand up and stand out. If they don't, they will not advance or be fired. 

Re: bolded. Any company that has that attitude can fuk right off. I find it hard to believe that they even exist, but assuming they do, it makes me even more grateful for where I work. Equal opportunity to get your foot in the door, then it's up to you to shine.

[Maximum Overkill 1,836]

2 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

No, not in other words   You're making up those words dummy.

You're a bigot and a racist 

[Ron_Artest 1,197]

14 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

You're a DEI poster 

I'm a middle aged white male, the target audience of people that are told to hate DEI because it supposedly threatens me.

[Ron_Artest 1,197]

4 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Equity does not necessarily mean equal outcomes. That is not how these programs work, in my experience at least. It's about fairness, and making sure everyone has equal opportunity. From there it's on the individual to stand up and stand out. If they don't, they will not advance or be fired. 

Re: bolded. Any company that has that attitude can fuk right off. I find it hard to believe that they even exist, but assuming they do, it makes me even more grateful for where I work. Equal opportunity to get your foot in the door, then it's up to you to shine.

exactly, and where DEI took things a step further is ensuring that equal opportunity.  In the past a job opening could be posted online for everyone to see and apply to, and you could get 98 white men.  Where DEI initiatives have taken it a step further is to say how can we get more diversity in our candidates.  Sure it was open to everyone online but if only white men apply is it really fair?  Maybe do some outreach in HBCUs or communities, maybe some networking, in order to get more minorities and women that you can evaluate.

The NFL, there is no rule against having a black coach right?  Any black person can apply to be a coach right?  Well why didn't we have more black coaches?  So the NFL put in the Rooney rule to give more black coaches opportunities.  Does that mean a black coach can't get a job?  Is it racist?  Possibly especially when you have the same Deny Greens and Todd Bowles brought in for every opening knowing they wouldn't get jobs, but it also got Mike Tomlin his job and probably others.  Guys that might have never even got an opportunity were passed by.

So yeah there is value.

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3 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

exactly, and where DEI took things a step further is ensuring that equal opportunity.  In the past a job opening could be posted online for everyone to see and apply to, and you could get 98 white men.  Where DEI initiatives have taken it a step further is to say how can we get more diversity in our candidates.  Sure it was open to everyone online but if only white men apply is it really fair?  Maybe do some outreach in HBCUs or communities, maybe some networking, in order to get more minorities and women that you can evaluate.

The NFL, there is no rule against having a black coach right?  Any black person can apply to be a coach right?  Well why didn't we have more black coaches?  So the NFL put in the Rooney rule to give more black coaches opportunities.  Does that mean a black coach can't get a job?  Is it racist?  Possibly especially when you have the same Deny Greens and Todd Bowles brought in for every opening knowing they wouldn't get jobs, but it also got Mike Tomlin his job and probably others.  Guys that might have never even got an opportunity were passed by.

So yeah there is value.

 

7 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

Wrong, equity has nothing about being owed you dummy, it's about outcomes and recognizing that people are different and need different support to achieve equal outcomes.  But RT is not going to explain this to you.

You literally said this earlier today.   

[Ron_Artest 1,197]

Just now, jerryskids said:

 

You literally said this earlier today.   

You clearly didn't read anything else in my post, or you just didn't understand it.  I can dumb it down if you need.