Elon says that Trump is in the Epstein files.

[Ron_Artest 2,395]

There was a tranche of emails released by the Epstein estate under congressional subpoena.

This is where Pablo searched for mcmillen.

It's also where Trump was outed as spending hours with at least one victim in Epstein's estate.

[Hardcore troubadour 16,005]

Epstein had all this dirt on Trump and went to prison instead of turning him in.  Even though he hated him. 

[Ron_Artest 2,395]

5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Epstein had all this dirt on Trump and went to prison instead of turning him in.  Even though he hated him. 

Why didn't the FBI release the missing video on the night Epstein "hung himself"?

[MDC 8,037]

Hung by his own petard.  

[seafoam1 3,484]

3 hours ago, MDC said:

Hung by his own petard.  

Mdpee.  

[Ron_Artest 2,395]

Less than a week left in order for Trump to comply with the law.

I was told trump wants to release the files.

[MDC 8,037]

1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

Less than a week left in order for Trump to comply with the law.

I was told trump wants to release the files.

WH will release a version with references to Trump and other Republicans redacted. When he pardons Maxwell in ‘28, hardline MAGAs will convince themselves she was a puppet of the Deep State.

Book it.

[Ron_Artest 2,395]

 

Oh Boy.  Sorry Magas.

[supermike80 2,140]

LOL this is FUNNY!!!   So we have pictures.  Which mean nothing, prove nothing, and never would.   Why everyone was so dead set on this list will always strike me as funny.  Wait, I know why....GET TRUMP!

So we have Trump pictured with him.   Does that make him guilty of pedophilia?  Nope.  And there won't be any proof

We have Clinton pictured with him.   Does that prove he diddled kids?  Nope.  And there won't be any proof.

This entire thing has been a clown show.   Now you got TDS Ron, of course ONLY posting the Trump pics...saying things like "sorry MAGA"   Sorry for what exactly?  

Absolutely the dumbest witch hunt ever.

[SaintsInDome2006 745]

5 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

So we have Trump pictured with him.   Does that make him guilty of pedophilia?  Nope.  And there won't be any proof

I think something needs to be cleared up.

A lot of what is coming out about Epstein isn’t about famous or powerful individuals ‘partaking’  in Epstein’s heinous crimes. It’s about the fact they knew about them, sometimes first hand, sometimes just from common knowledge. 

Another thing that has come out is Epstein selling personal knowledge about Trump. Not blackmail stuff but insider information on his psychological tendencies.

Bannon is maybe the person most involved with Epstein in his later years. Not everything they did concerned Trump but Epstein was clearly aligned with maga priorities like promoting right wing parties in Europe.

[supermike80 2,140]

Just now, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I think something needs to be cleared up.

A lot of what is coming out about Epstein isn’t about famous or powerful individuals ‘partaking’  in Epstein’s heinous crimes. It’s about the fact they knew about them, sometimes first hand, sometimes just from common knowledge. 

Another thing that has come out is Epstein selling personal knowledge about Trump. Not blackmail stuff but insider information on his psychological tendencies.

Bannon is maybe the person most involved with Epstein in his later years. Not everything they did concerned Trump but Epstein was clearly aligned with maga priorities like promoting ruggt wing parties in Europe.

And what's your point here?  Seriously.  Showing Trump in pictures with Epstein automatically means he knew about what the guy was up to?  Same with Clinton?  That's the angle here?

[SaintsInDome2006 745]

Just now, supermike80 said:

And what's your point here?  Seriously.  Showing Trump in pictures with Epstein automatically means he knew about what the guy was up to?  Same with Clinton?  That's the angle here?

Eh, complicated issue. I didn’t post anything on today’s photo dump. Glad to discuss it further but no a person in a photo with Trump or Clinton doesn’t prove anything.

Though the picture of Andrew with Giuffre destroyed his life & cost him his title, and a UK cabinet minister just had his career ended because he also appeared in a picture.

[seafoam1 3,484]

2 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Eh, complicated issue. I didn’t post anything on today’s photo dump. Glad to discuss it further but no a person in a photo with Trump or Clinton doesn’t prove anything.

Though the picture of Andrew with Giuffre destroyed his life & cost him his title, and a UK cabinet minister just had his career ended because he also appeared in a picture.

Photos and videos didn't destroy creepy joe or his kid hunter. Even his laptop somehow got lost. But "meh" right? 

 

[supermike80 2,140]

5 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Eh, complicated issue. I didn’t post anything on today’s photo dump. Glad to discuss it further but no a person in a photo with Trump or Clinton doesn’t prove anything.

Though the picture of Andrew with Giuffre destroyed his life & cost him his title, and a UK cabinet minister just had his career ended because he also appeared in a picture.

I get that.  There are many documented photos with influential people hanging out with low lifes.  That to me isn't a slam dunk guilty.  

And before TDS Ron or others come in here and say I am defending the Trumpster.   No.   Clinton is in this too.  I do find it funny however that in the few articles I have seen, the lead picture is Trump.   Biased of course.

But I have been saying this since this whole thing became a liberal rallying cry.  Let's say that they do find that Trump and Clinton went to the island. That doesn't prove anything and all and won't.   Yet here they are, clamoring for something in the endless GET TRUMP political strategy.    This is why democrats are losing.  

[SaintsInDome2006 745]

36 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

I get that.  There are many documented photos with influential people hanging out with low lifes.  That to me isn't a slam dunk guilty.  

And before TDS Ron or others come in here and say I am defending the Trumpster.   No.   Clinton is in this too.  I do find it funny however that in the few articles I have seen, the lead picture is Trump.   Biased of course.

But I have been saying this since this whole thing became a liberal rallying cry.  Let's say that they do find that Trump and Clinton went to the island. That doesn't prove anything and all and won't.   Yet here they are, clamoring for something in the endless GET TRUMP political strategy.    This is why democrats are losing.  

Well I do think we can agree on some basic things.

For instance, *after Epstein was convicted in 2008, people in finance, law, academia & politics knew what he was about, right?

[seafoam1 3,484]

There is no ""slam dunk guilty" of knowing a person who is a criminal.

Is Rosalyn Carter guilty of John Wayne Gacy's crimes?

Is Gacy's wife guilty? Are all his friends and neighbors guilty? 

How about Ted Bundy's lawyer.and politician friends in Seattle? Are they all.guilty? If a friend of yours rapes a kid, are you guilty? 

 

[Tree of Knowledge 2,214]

Dems are scared to death of this release if THAT is all they have to use to get in front of the story.  
 

OH NO’s Trump was near Epstein in a receiving line at some shindig!!!

[seafoam1 3,484]

4 minutes ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

Dems are scared to death of this release if THAT is all they have to use to get in front of the story.  
 

OH NO’s Trump was near Epstein in a receiving line at some shindig!!!

Biden fondled and pinched a little girl's nipple on video. 

Liberals think it's fine.

 

[SaintsInDome2006 745]

15 minutes ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

Dems are scared to death of this release if THAT is all they have to use to get in front of the story.  
 

OH NO’s Trump was near Epstein in a receiving line at some shindig!!!

I think you may be right in the sense that perhaps everyone already has enough information. And it may take 30 years to figure out what happened to all the data from the multiple investigations.

*But, nonetheless, the administration has until this time next week to comply with the law.

[SaintsInDome2006 745]

24 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

There is no ""slam dunk guilty" of knowing a person who is a criminal.

Is Rosalyn Carter guilty of John Wayne Gacy's crimes?

Is Gacy's wife guilty? Are all his friends and neighbors guilty? 

How about Ted Bundy's lawyer.and politician friends in Seattle? Are they all.guilty? If a friend of yours rapes a kid, are you guilty? 

Gacy & Bundy aren’t good comps because they were convicted & executed.

Epstein was convicted in 2008. After that point everyone knew what he was.

[supermike80 2,140]

25 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Well I do think we can agree on some basic things.

For instance, *after Epstein was convicted in 2009, people in finance, law, academia & politics knew what he was about, right?

Honestly I don't know.   I haven't been following it much.   It's not a huge interest to me.   If they can find credible evidence of underage sex, they should get whats coming to them.  But I don't spend too much time on this

[SaintsInDome2006 745]

4 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Honestly I don't know.   I haven't been following it much.   It's not a huge interest to me.   If they can find credible evidence of underage sex, they should get whats coming to them.  But I don't spend too much time on this

Hey no problem, seriously. But fyi Epstein was convicted in 2008, so everyone remotely sophisticated knew about him at that point. And also fyi most of the criminal activity didn’t happen on the island or the plane. I’m just saying there are bad assumptions going the other way too. And there are people who genuinely care about this story going back before 2016.

[supermike80 2,140]

1 minute ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Hey no problem, seriously. But fyi Epstein was convicted in 2008, so everyone remotely sophisticated knew about him at that point. And also fyi most of the criminal activity didn’t happen on the island or the plane. I’m just saying there are bad assumptions going the other way too. And there are people who genuinely care about this story going back before 2016.

Oh I am aware people care.   The one thing I have said and still believe. it was the Brits that killed him.  They have been doing this stuff for centuries....they are super very awesomely good at it and  think they did it to protect the monarchy.   

[supermike80 2,140]

7 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Hey no problem, seriously. But fyi Epstein was convicted in 2008, so everyone remotely sophisticated knew about him at that point. And also fyi most of the criminal activity didn’t happen on the island or the plane. I’m just saying there are bad assumptions going the other way too. And there are people who genuinely care about this story going back before 2016.

But let's be at least partially honest about the other part.   The push for the release of the files, or whatever the heck everyone wants to see, has very very little to do with the victims in this.  In fact, I would say it is almost zero.  The push is a GET TRUMP thing.   Again, by the democrats because they literally have nothing else.  Yet.  No policies, no leader, no direction.  Their entire election strategy is either get Trump, or elect me because I'm not Trump.   That's frustrating to me.

So when the dems or the TDS infected Ron's out there go nutso over this, it comes off as disingenuous.   They aren't interested in the truth, they just want to get Trump.  Maybe that's why I don't follow it all that much.

[SaintsInDome2006 745]

Just now, supermike80 said:

But let's be at least partially honest about the other part.   The push for the release of the files, or whatever the heck everyone wants to see, has very very little to do with the victims in this.  In fact, I would say it is almost zero.  The push is a GET TRUMP thing.   Again, by the democrats because they literally have nothing else.  Yet.  No policies, no leader, no direction.  Their entire election strategy is either get Trump, or elect me because I'm not Trump.   That's frustrating to me

I hear you, but also reporting on this goes back to the early 2010s. It was originally a Palm Beach corruption story.

And even if I agreed with you - I used to harangue Dems about Clinton’s involvement back in the day so yeah I know - our country works on this adversarial system. If we disregarded everything just because the opponent of person X is doing the accusing we would never learn anything in this country. 

[seafoam1 3,484]

14 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Gacy & Bundy aren’t good comps because they were convicted & executed.

Epstein was convicted in 2008. After that point everyone knew what he was.

Epstein ain't dead? 

[supermike80 2,140]

Just now, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I hear you, but also reporting on this goes back to the early 2010s. It was originally a Palm Beach corruption story.

And even if I agreed with you - I used to harangue Dems about Clinton’s involvement back in the day so yeah I know - our country works on this adversarial system. If we disregarded everything just because the opponent of person X is doing the accusing we would never learn anything in this country. 

Im all for finding out who and hammering them for it.   But that's not why this current "thing" is happening in congress or across liberal circles.  That's not it in the least.

[SaintsInDome2006 745]

4 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Epstein ain't dead? 

People knew what Epstein was - at a minimum, no excuses - between 2008 & his death iirc in 2019. Anyone hanging with, doing business with or whatever with, during that time should answer for it.

[SaintsInDome2006 745]

2 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Im all for finding out who and hammering them for it.   But that's not why this current "thing" is happening in congress or across liberal circles.  That's not it in the least.

How do you propose it happen? (I’m asking, not being sarcastic).

[edjr 7,010]

I met and had a picture taken with Bob Dole in 1998 when he was running for POTUS.

Does that mean he quits everything?

[supermike80 2,140]

3 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

How do you propose it happen? (I’m asking, not being sarcastic).

Well......With Epstein dead, you have to go to Maxwell.   Offer her some sort of deal.   Maybe there is evidence out there.   Real tangible evidence.  Her word, especially with getting a deal, would mean bupkus.

Or, the victims speak out.  Their burden of proof is lessened, because of the believe all women mindset we currently have.   Of course that would be partisan as FOCK!  If a victim came out and accused someone...the opposing party would lose their collective minds while the aligned party would try to dismiss it.

So outside of real, tangible evidence....Which may exist---I don't know.   I believe a freak like Epstein had tapes and they may be somewhere, but only Maxwell would know.  And if the Trump administration gives her a deal, she won't find any Trump videos.   So who the hell knows.

[seafoam1 3,484]

9 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

People knew what Epstein was - at a minimum, no excuses - between 2008 & his death iirc in 2019. Anyone hanging with, doing business with or whatever with, during that time should answer for it.

Why. Everyone Epstein spoke to should be in prison?

Great. And bundy was supported to no end for a while. Politicians and law enforcement  included.

[SaintsInDome2006 745]

1 minute ago, supermike80 said:

Well......With Epstein dead, you have to go to Maxwell.   Offer her some sort of deal.   Maybe there is evidence out there.   Real tangible evidence.  Her word, especially with getting a deal, would mean bupkus.

Or, the victims speak out.  Their burden of proof is lessened, because of the believe all women mindset we currently have.   Of course that would be partisan as FOCK!  If a victim came out and accused someone...the opposing party would lose their collective minds while the aligned party would try to dismiss it.

So outside of real, tangible evidence....Which may exist---I don't know.   I believe a freak like Epstein had tapes and they may be somewhere, but only Maxwell would know.  And if the Trump administration gives her a deal, she won't find any Trump videos.   So who the hell knows.

Thanks. - It’s taken 15 years of hard core reporting, lawsuits, maga demands (yes, give them credit), and one victim we know who has committed suicide, to get this far. I’m not disagreeing with you btw, I respect your POV. I just think it’s time.

[SaintsInDome2006 745]

3 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Why. Everyone Epstein spoke to should be in prison?

No.

[supermike80 2,140]

10 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

How do you propose it happen? (I’m asking, not being sarcastic).

Here's what's super dumb about all of this.

The dems will only cut her a deal if it implicates Trump.  Period. No trump, no deal.  Period.

 

[SaintsInDome2006 745]

4 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Great. And bundy was supported to no end for a while. Politicians and law enforcement  included

There isn’t a person in public life who supported him after his conviction. The sickos are gonna sicko, no use in bringing that up, thats not who we’re talking about here.

[supermike80 2,140]

1 minute ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Thanks. - It’s taken 15 years of hard core reporting, lawsuits, maga demands (yes, give them credit), and one victim we know who has committed suicide, to get this far. I’m not disagreeing with you btw, I respect your POV. I just think it’s time.

I guess, saying that you have to ask yourself.  After 15 years of hard core reporting, before this became a political rallying cry for the left.  Why has nothing tangible been found?  it does make you wonder if there simply isn't anything out there to find.

[supermike80 2,140]

Just now, SaintsInDome2006 said:

There isn’t a person in public life who supported him after his conviction. The sickos are gonna sicko, no use in bringing that up, thats not who we’re talking about here.

Ignore peefoam.  We are having a rational conversation.  He's like the idiot child who keeps piping in to tell us he farted while the adults are talking

[seafoam1 3,484]

 

[SaintsInDome2006 745]

1 minute ago, supermike80 said:

Here's what's super dumb about all of this.

The dems will only cut her a deal if it implicates Trump.  Period. No trump, no deal.  Period.

But they didn’t. Neither did Barr.
 

But Maxwell has already received beneficial treatment, which is what happened wuth Epstein in his first conviction.