Elon says that Trump is in the Epstein files.

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1 minute ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

When you see what happened to the Farmer sisters - FBI & NYPD completely ignoring their pleas for help - I’m sure you care about what happened there, right?

What is on record is already public information about these Farmer sisters. Or are you saying you know stuff nobody else knows?

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@seafoam1Marge Greene just threw her whole career on the pyre on this issue. Yes it can happen.

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4 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

What is on record is already public information about these Farmer sisters. Or are you saying you know stuff nobody else knows?

Huh? She reported on Epstein in 1996. The FBI never even acknowledged that they received her complaint.

Yesterday, almost 30 years later, her original complaint was released as part of these files. It wasn’t public until yesterday.

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Epstein introduced Trump to a 14-year-old girl. He nodded and laughed when Jeffrey asked if she was a “‘good one.”

Anybody who cares about children and stopping child trafficking should be demanding Trump to step down and face prosecution TODAY.

https://twitter.com/CalltoActivism/status/2002160747804078085#m

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9 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

What is on record is already public information about these Farmer sisters. Or are you saying you know stuff nobody else knows?

It was not. Their claims have been called lies along with other Epstein victims. Maria Farmer reported Epstein to NYPD & Clinton’s FBI - don’t you want to know who decided to ignore them & how that happened? Just the very fact of it needs to be publicly discussed, & no most of the public never heard of it. Those complaint reports are totally new. 

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Just now, SaintsInDome2006 said:

It could unite humans of different ideologies in agreeing on common values & desire for reform, yes. It’s up to the people though. Desire for change fades though, have to strike while the iron is hot.

There are bad things and/or tough issues that happen every day in this country. This one thing is not as widespread in this country as other things that are out there and none of those other terrible or tough things are uniting in the least. 

Illegals killing citizens. Not united trying to fix it. 

Murder running rampant in this country.  Not united trying to fix it.

"Believe all women" thing when that came up about rape. Not united trying to fix it.

Health insurance. Not united in dealing with it. 

Homelessness. Not united in dealing with it. 

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Just now, seafoam1 said:

There are bad things and/or tough issues that happen every day in this country. This one thing is not as widespread in this country as other things that are out there and none of those other terrible or tough things are uniting in the least. 

Illegals killing citizens. Not united trying to fix it. 

Murder running rampant in this country.  Not united trying to fix it.

"Believe all women" thing when that came up about rape. Not united trying to fix it.

Health insurance. Not united in dealing with it. 

Homelessness. Not united in dealing with it. 

And you can’t deal with any of that without addressing corruption & forcing institutional reform.

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2 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

"Believe all women" thing when that came up about rape. Not united trying to fix it.

Btw this is probably the wrong issue to bring up in this context. Those ‘believe all women’ people are dead on right here. Just look at our discussion on the Farmers.

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Just now, seafoam1 said:

There are bad things and/or tough issues that happen every day in this country. This one thing is not as widespread in this country as other things that are out there and none of those other terrible or tough things are uniting in the least. 

Illegals killing citizens. Not united trying to fix it. 

Murder running rampant in this country.  Not united trying to fix it.

"Believe all women" thing when that came up about rape. Not united trying to fix it.

Health insurance. Not united in dealing with it. 

Homelessness. Not united in dealing with it. 

You might want to take a good long look at most Republican politicians you support. Almost none of them have done anything useful on even one of these issues. In fact, most have been a barrier to the solutions others have offered.

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10 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

It was not. Their claims have been called lies along with other Epstein victims. Maria Farmer reported Epstein to NYPD & Clinton’s FBI - don’t you want to know who decided to ignore them & how that happened? Just the very fact of it needs to be publicly discussed, & no most of the public never heard of it. Those complaint reports are totally new. 

I already saw a post or two on this site from democrats saying they don't expect to get the truth from the files because of TRUMP!!! Trump is GUILTY!!! 

So it has already started. 

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Just now, seafoam1 said:

I already saw a post or two on this site from democrats saying they don't expect to get the truth from the files because of TRUMP!!! Trump is GUILTY!!! 

So it has already started. 

You saw what you wanted to see. I saw Republicans in Congress already threatening Bondi with impeachment for redacting too much.

We can accuse Trump AND accuse Democrats who are in the files. They all need to be punished IMO.

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1 minute ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

And you can’t deal with any of that without addressing corruption & forcing institutional reform.

Trump tried shutting the border as a starter. Liberals cried. 

Trump tried sending in the NG to help with the 2020 riots. Liberals declined.

Etc., etc., etc., etc.

 

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Really got to wonder why, if Trump had no intention of releasing all the unredacted files, he let his son, AG, FBI chief, etc. play games with it for a calendar year?

Only thing that makes sense is Trump thought his own supporters were so focking dumb he could make it all go away with the wave of a hand. And I guess some Geeks have proven him right.

Does the media even ask Trump whether they’re investigating Hillary and Obama for their role in the Epstein hoax? Or do we all just accept that the POTUS is a shameless liar who makes stuff up on the regular?

Total clown show.  

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3 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Trump tried shutting the border as a starter. Liberals cried. 

Trump tried sending in the NG to help with the 2020 riots. Liberals declined.

Etc., etc., etc., etc.

That’s not reform. But maybe you & I have different ideas of reform. 

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3 minutes ago, MDC said:

Only thing that makes sense is Trump thought his own supporters were so focking dumb he could make it all go away with the wave of a hand. And I guess some Geeks have proven him right.

If he thinks that, maybe it’s because he reads this board…

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4 minutes ago, MDC said:

Really got to wonder why, if Trump had no intention of releasing all the unredacted files, he met his son, AG, FBI chief, etc. play games with it for a calendar year?

Only thing that makes sense is Trump thought his own supporters were so focking dumb he could make it all go away with the wave of a hand. And I guess some Geeks have proven him right.

Does the media even ask Trump whether they’re investigating Hillary and Obama for their role in the Epstein hoax? Or do we all just accept that the POTUS is a shameless liar who makes stuff up on the regular?

Total clown show.  

We know Bondi met with Trump on his name being in the files, we know Musk directly told the world Trump is in the files, & Trump’s chief of staff has told the press she’s seen Trump in the files. And Bongino just up & quits. Now we get a slow rollout of jumbled files which are blacked out in jacolantern patterns.

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5 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Btw this is probably the wrong issue to bring up in this context. Those ‘believe all women’ people are dead on right here. Just look at our discussion on the Farmers.

It's exactly the right context. How do you know what liberal women are claiming is true? 

See Kavanaugh being accused of sexual abuse right before he was to join the supreme court. That timing was great to "believe all women". 

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4 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

That’s not reform. But maybe you & I have different ideas of reform. 

Reform: to put or change into an improved form or condition

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Investigations into Jeffrey Epstein 

• Americans are more than twice as likely to strongly or somewhat disapprove as they are to approve of Trump's handling of the Epstein investigation (56% vs. 22%)
• Republicans are more likely to approve than disapprove of Trump's handling of the Epstein investigation (45% vs. 25%)
• Among Republicans, opinions vary by age and MAGA identification
  • Republican adults under 45 are far less likely than older Republicans to approve of Trump's handling of investigations into Epstein (29% vs. 56%). They are also more likely to be unsure about it (40% vs. 23%) and to disapprove (31% vs. 20%)
  • Republicans who identify as MAGA are more likely to approve of how Trump has handled the Epstein investigations than are Republicans who don't identify as MAGA (56% vs. 38%)

• The vast majority (81%) of Americans — including 89% of Democrats and 73% of Republicans — believe that the government should release all documents it has about the Jeffrey Epstein case
• Two-thirds of Americans — including 84% of Democrats and 53% of Republicans — think the government is covering up evidence it has about Epstein. Only 9% of Americans — including 3% of Democrats and 14% of Republicans — think it isn't

+++++
 

YouGov

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4 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

It's exactly the right context. How do you know what liberal women are claiming is true? 

Because in this instance we saw the police reports.

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3 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

We know Bondi met with Trump on his name being in the files, we know Musk directly told the world Trump is in the files, & Trump’s chief of staff has told the press she’s seen Trump in the files. And Bongino just up & quits. Now we get a slow rollout of jumbled files which are blacked out in jacolantern patterns.

Yeah, "Trump was an acquaintance of Epstein" blah blah blah

If you had an actual friend that raped someone and you had zero knowledge of it, you should be thrown in prison.  So dumb. I'm guessing the majority of the people who had come in contact with epstein had no clue of all this crap. Or should everyone who ever met him be given the death penalty?

John Wayne Gacy had two wives. Why didn't they get the chair?

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12 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

See Kavanaugh being accused of sexual abuse right before he was to join the supreme court. That timing was great to "believe all women". 

I kind of tend to agree with you about Kavanaugh - but there was a witness per Kavanaugh & it was the GOP that didn’t make him testify. And when things went south Graham threw a fit & they shut down the hearing they’d agreed to. Again you’re the one asking for evidence. That’s what this is about.

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2 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Investigations into Jeffrey Epstein 

• Americans are more than twice as likely to strongly or somewhat disapprove as they are to approve of Trump's handling of the Epstein investigation (56% vs. 22%)
• Republicans are more likely to approve than disapprove of Trump's handling of the Epstein investigation (45% vs. 25%)
• Among Republicans, opinions vary by age and MAGA identification
  • Republican adults under 45 are far less likely than older Republicans to approve of Trump's handling of investigations into Epstein (29% vs. 56%). They are also more likely to be unsure about it (40% vs. 23%) and to disapprove (31% vs. 20%)
  • Republicans who identify as MAGA are more likely to approve of how Trump has handled the Epstein investigations than are Republicans who don't identify as MAGA (56% vs. 38%)

• The vast majority (81%) of Americans — including 89% of Democrats and 73% of Republicans — believe that the government should release all documents it has about the Jeffrey Epstein case
• Two-thirds of Americans — including 84% of Democrats and 53% of Republicans — think the government is covering up evidence it has about Epstein. Only 9% of Americans — including 3% of Democrats and 14% of Republicans — think it isn't

+++++
 

YouGov

On Election Day, nearly every public polling firm predicted a Clinton victory, with the main debate centering on the margin of her expected win.

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3 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Yeah, "Trump was an acquaintance of Epstein" blah blah blah

If you had an actual friend that raped someone and you had zero knowledge of it, you should be thrown in prison.  So dumb. I'm guessing the majority of the people who had come in contact with epstein had no clue of all this crap. Or should everyone who ever met him be given the death penalty?

John Wayne Gacy had two wives. Why didn't they get the chair?

No, the people who knew what he was doing should be ostracized & driven from public life, right down to dinner parties & restaurants.

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1 minute ago, seafoam1 said:

On Election Day, nearly every public polling firm predicted a Clinton victory, with the main debate centering on the margin of her expected win.

She won the popular vote. 

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Donald Trump was Epstein’s best friend for decades.

Donald Trump raped underaged girls.

That’s what this is about. Get a clue. 

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1 minute ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I kind of tend to agree with you about Kavanaugh - but there was a witness per Kavanaugh & it was the GOP that didn’t make him testify. Again you’re the one asking for evidence. That’s what this is about.

My point in all of this is, it will not unite the people. Did obama's main purpose of saying we should see race when we look at people unite people? 

We went from a healing nation of "don't see race", only other people, to black people need to see color and show your pride of your black race unite? No. It set this country race relations back 60 years.  

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7 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

She won the popular vote. 

That does not define "victory". I would think that all the pollsters would know this about our country. 

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Just now, Grace Under Pressure said:

Donald Trump was Epstein’s best friend for decades.

Donald Trump raped underaged girls.

That’s what this is about. Get a clue. 

Then why didn't you scream about this, princess rusty, while biden was in office?

You are so completely out of touch and stupid. 

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8 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

My point in all of this is, it will not unite the people. Did obama's main purpose of saying we should see race when we look at people unite people? 

We went from a healing nation of "don't see race", only other people, to black people need to see color and show your pride of your black race unite? No. It set this country race relations back 60 years.  

Im gonna take Horsie’s advice & do some stuff. But just so you know, I’ve read your points. I’m not going to say you don’t care or maga doesn’t. I think yall very much do, you’re just disputing whether it’ll make a difference. There’s a strain of toxicity in our politics & IMHO it doesn’t date to Obama, it dates to the Clintons. And I wish you’d think about that because Bubba’s getting gored by all this & deservedly so. 

I’ve also been through what youre talking about here in NO (thank you for your service, seriously). We had this huge rush of reform. Rip out the corruption, drill to the bottom of what happened to the levees & the rescue, all that. Lots of public officials went to jail. People were mad as hell, conservative joined with liberal, we had bayonets fixed….. then a few years passed and today it’s SOS. 

But was it worth it? Absolutely.

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26 minutes ago, dogcows said:

You might want to take a good long look at most Republican politicians you support. Almost none of them have done anything useful on even one of these issues. In fact, most have been a barrier to the solutions others have offered.

All you do day in and day out for years is whine about what Trump is doing. The actions he is taking. And now you come back with, he doesn't do anything. 

Then why F are you whining? If he isn't doing anything, then you still have biden's shlt policies running this country. You should be overjoyed the republican's are "doing nothing".

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1 hour ago, Grace Under Pressure said:

Donald Trump raped underaged girls.

Link?

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Lol at “Link?” Yeah let me get right on that.

Google is your friend. That evidence isn’t even in dispute. MAGA needs to get out of their bubble. Trump has been credibly accused of rape numerous times over decades by his ex-wife, by random people he assaulted, and yes, by underage girls. 

dO yOuR oWn rESeaRch 

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1 hour ago, Horseman said:

Link?

https://www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-jeffrey-epstein-2674617242/?utm_source=superhead

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations

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3 hours ago, squistion said:

Of course no link in the OP.

 

15 hours ago, FrancieFootball said:

Link?

 

 

1 hour ago, Grace Under Pressure said:

Lol at “Link?” Yeah let me get right on that.

Google is your friend. That evidence isn’t even in dispute. MAGA needs to get out of their bubble. Trump has been credibly accused of rape numerous times over decades by his ex-wife, by random people he assaulted, and yes, by underage girls. 

dO yOuR oWn rESeaRch 

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1 hour ago, dogcows said:

https://www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-jeffrey-epstein-2674617242/?utm_source=superhead

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations

Can you point out where in that first link it shows that Trump raped underage girls.  Perhaps this part?

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Epstein or his longtime partner Ghislaine Maxwell introduced at least six women who have accused them of grooming or abuse to the future president, according interviews, court testimony and other records, and one of them was a minor at the time – although none of them have accused Trump himself of inappropriate behavior.

TIA!

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1 hour ago, dogcows said:

https://www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-jeffrey-epstein-2674617242/?utm_source=superhead

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations

Nothing about Trump raping young girls in there, let alone proof. Read much?

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1 hour ago, Grace Under Pressure said:

Lol at “Link?” Yeah let me get right on that.

Google is your friend. That evidence isn’t even in dispute. MAGA needs to get out of their bubble. Trump has been credibly accused of rape numerous times over decades by his ex-wife, by random people he assaulted, and yes, by underage girls. 

dO yOuR oWn rESeaRch 

Google?  How about Google Gemini:

Quote

Over the years, various allegations have been made against Donald Trump involving sexual misconduct. When it comes to the specific and serious question of whether he has been found legally responsible for the rape of young girls, the answer is no.

Man, you extra slow today. Oooof.  

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Did you guys get Trump yet?

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1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

Can you point out where in that first link it shows that Trump raped underage girls.  Perhaps this part?

TIA!

Ok well I’m sure that it was all on the up-and-up then. He was just innocently hanging out with girls. Did they talk about the weather?

If a Muslim man is within 100 miles of a crime you think they’re guilty. With Trump, unless you’ve got at least a dozen smoking guns it will never be enough.

He was found guilty of sexual assault of another woman. Others have accused him as well.. and he’s hanging out with Epstein’s teenage victims. But sure, nothing to see.

I did forget one piece of evidence though:

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet 4/EFTA00006209.pdf