RLLD 4,228 Posted June 25 41 minutes ago, squistion said: Who in the Democratic Party has ever had anything good to say about Antifa? "Good to say" is your criteria? I mean, its not mine...but if that is what you think matters. For me, it is the allowance provided to them to act. Again, words are meaningless, its the actions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,486 Posted June 25 12 minutes ago, Meglamaniac said: Why do you keep speaking for others? Speak for yourself, you have no idea what the rest of America wants I know you don't believe in polls, especially the ones that contradict your thinking, but polls tell us that the majority of American doesn't want this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,743 Posted June 25 Just now, RLLD said: "Good to say" is your criteria? I mean, its not mine...but if that is what you think matters. For me, it is the allowance provided to them to act. Again, words are meaningless, its the actions. What actions by the Democratic Party indicate support for Antifa? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,389 Posted June 25 Tim thinks the country wanted open borders during Biden too I guess. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,743 Posted June 25 Just now, Hardcore troubadour said: Tim thinks the country wanted open borders during Biden too I guess. No I don’t. Why don’t you respond to what I actually write for once? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,228 Posted June 25 37 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: You’ve made this claim for months now and never one provided a scintilla of evidence to back it up. You also claim Democrats are “accepting” of Hamas and other terrorist groups whatever that means without providing evidence. You’re just making sh!t up. No, I am not. And when it has arisen that political pressure arises to fend off these terrorist groups, it typically comes from the right and the left defends the terrorists. Such as with the Hamas support found in some college campuses..... I mean, I get the desire to be "inclusive" and such, but there should be a little more discern applied to not allow for the really bad ones. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,486 Posted June 25 US Army Purple Heart veteran forced to self-deport: ‘I just have to drop everything and leave' Park tearfully hugged his son, daughter, parents, aunts and friends at the airport in Honolulu. https://www.kktv.com/2025/06/25/us-army-purple-heart-veteran-forced-self-deport-i-just-have-drop-everything-leave/ Trump's America. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,522 Posted June 25 5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: Wrong. I have a very good idea of what America wants on this issue because there is plenty of polling about it. Here is one of several: https://www.usatoday.com/story/graphics/2025/06/13/ice-deportations-immigration-raids-poll/84186426007/ If you agree with what ICE is doing only about one third of the country thinks as you do. That doesn’t make you wrong (though it’s clear to me you are.) But it does put in the minority. POLLS!!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,665 Posted June 25 5 hours ago, Frozenbeernuts said: Liberal politicians would rather call on Mexican gang bangers to stop ICE https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1937607349390262415?s=19 And she'll keep her job no doubt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,522 Posted June 25 5 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said: I know you don't believe in polls, especially the ones that contradict your thinking, but polls tell us that the majority of American doesn't want this. This is untrue. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,665 Posted June 25 4 hours ago, listen2me 23 said: Nothing like liberal "leaders" calling on gangs to be violent. And liberals here just cant seem to see what sort of country they want to turn this into. Its pretty obvious and only grows more absurd each year. Imagine what a typical lib will look like in 10 more years. And they wonder why we don't trust them to keep rioting under control. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,783 Posted June 25 23 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: I was referring to his claim that Democrats are accepting of Antifa, or support Antifa, or are tolerant of Antifa (whatever- it keeps changing but it’s the same inference each time.) 5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: What actions by the Democratic Party indicate support for Antifa? Umm... CHAZ? The entire Summer of Love where Democratic-run jurisdictions let Antifa do whatever they want? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,665 Posted June 25 1 hour ago, RLLD said: I dont think anyone is at all surprised that a Democrat rep would say this, at this stage they are far more aligned with criminals than with most Americans. She not seasoned enough to not broadcast her true feelings. Doesn't realize yet, if you just lie, an army of women like squistion will eat it up and come out and defend you. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,743 Posted June 25 Just now, RLLD said: No, I am not. And when it has arisen that political pressure arises to fend off these terrorist groups, it typically comes from the right and the left defends the terrorists. Such as with the Hamas support found in some college campuses..... I mean, I get the desire to be "inclusive" and such, but there should be a little more discern applied to not allow for the really bad ones. You’re attempting to back up your false claims with generalities and the more specific questions I ask you the more general you get. But I will try again. Let’s refer to this post. You wrote that the left defends terrorists. Which terrorist? When? You wrote that there is support for Hamas on college campuses. Please provide an example of a major campus student leader or teacher saying “I support Hamas!” Or “I support what Hamas did on Oct 7.” Not criticism of Israel, not “from the river to sea” which can have more than one meaning but SPECIFICALLY support for Hamas. I’ll wait. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,389 Posted June 25 2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: No I don’t. Why don’t you respond to what I actually write for once? Any response to all those Iranian nationals getting in here during Biden? You ducked that for some reason. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,486 Posted June 25 3 minutes ago, Strike said: This is untrue. I already shared the polls with you yesterday. You laugh at polls you don't like. Doesn't make it untrue. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,228 Posted June 25 4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: What actions by the Democratic Party indicate support for Antifa? I mean, you can do your own research.... but....for discussion sake. Mayor Wheeler allowed antifa to run wild while Republicans criticized him strenuously for doing so, and eventually enough harm was done that he simply had to deal with it and allowed the police to protect citizens...but only after people were really harmed..... Mayor Durkan referred to the antifa takeover as the summer of love, which was another instance of renaming something really vile to pretend it was nice. It was not until the harm really escalated that she too finally caved and allowed the police to protect citizens...but only after people were really harmed..... I think your argument might be better suited to conform to the liberal talking point of antifa not being an "organization", but you would need to wait for the harm to reach that level where it no longer serves your power interest to use that tactic of reframing them Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,522 Posted June 25 Just now, Ron_Artest said: I already shared the polls with you yesterday. You laugh at polls you don't like. Doesn't make it untrue. Wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,228 Posted June 25 Just now, nobody said: She not seasoned enough to not broadcast her true feelings. Doesn't realize yet, if you just lie, an army of women like squistion will eat it up and come out and defend you. I might suggest she has every reason to believe she will be protected and perhaps celebrated. The left has no constraints over who and what they support. There is no reason for her to fear being vile. Now, with adults in the DOJ maybe we see some level of accountability, who knows. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,486 Posted June 25 2 minutes ago, Strike said: Wrong. Like a child. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,389 Posted June 25 7 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said: US Army Purple Heart veteran forced to self-deport: ‘I just have to drop everything and leave' Park tearfully hugged his son, daughter, parents, aunts and friends at the airport in Honolulu. https://www.kktv.com/2025/06/25/us-army-purple-heart-veteran-forced-self-deport-i-just-have-drop-everything-leave/ Trump's America. Be nice to know what felonies he was convicted of and did prison time for. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,743 Posted June 25 3 minutes ago, jerryskids said: Umm... CHAZ? The entire Summer of Love where Democratic-run jurisdictions let Antifa do whatever they want? Do whatever they want? OK let’s get specific again. Please cite the Democratic leader, be it a mayor, congressman, Senator, governor, or leading Democratic spokesperson, who during the summer of 2020 endorsed violence or violent activity or criminal behavior or Antifa. Thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,522 Posted June 25 1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said: Like a child. Useless Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,743 Posted June 25 3 minutes ago, RLLD said: I mean, you can do your own research.... but....for discussion sake. Mayor Wheeler allowed antifa to run wild while Republicans criticized him strenuously for doing so, and eventually enough harm was done that he simply had to deal with it and allowed the police to protect citizens...but only after people were really harmed..... Mayor Durkan referred to the antifa takeover as the summer of love, which was another instance of renaming something really vile to pretend it was nice. It was not until the harm really escalated that she too finally caved and allowed the police to protect citizens...but only after people were really harmed..... I think your argument might be better suited to conform to the liberal talking point of antifa not being an "organization", but you would need to wait for the harm to reach that level where it no longer serves your power interest to use that tactic of reframing them My research tells me that your statements here are really vague and filled with misrepresentations of what exactly happened in 2020. That’s why I asked for specifics which you failed to provide. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meglamaniac 483 Posted June 25 15 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: Wrong. I have a very good idea of what America wants on this issue because there is plenty of polling about it. Here is one of several: https://www.usatoday.com/story/graphics/2025/06/13/ice-deportations-immigration-raids-poll/84186426007/ If you agree with what ICE is doing only about one third of the country thinks as you do. That doesn’t make you wrong (though it’s clear to me you are.) But it does put in the minority. LOL, you have no idea what most of America wants, period, end of story so stop speaking for others and speak for yourself Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meglamaniac 483 Posted June 25 16 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said: I know you don't believe in polls, especially the ones that contradict your thinking, but polls tell us that the majority of American doesn't want this. No, they really don't tell you anything Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,743 Posted June 25 5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Any response to all those Iranian nationals getting in here during Biden? You ducked that for some reason. I didn’t duck it. I questioned the accuracy mainly because most undocumented people from counties like Iran arrive here legally and overstay their visas so the fact that a few thousand came over via the border surprised me. I strongly believe the vast majority of people who come here without legal papers, including Iranians, do so seeking a better life for themselves and their families and their presence here is almost always a positive for us. That’s been my position on this for years and it’s unchanged. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,665 Posted June 25 9 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: You’re attempting to back up your false claims with generalities and the more specific questions I ask you the more general you get. But I will try again. Let’s refer to this post. You wrote that the left defends terrorists. Which terrorist? When? You wrote that there is support for Hamas on college campuses. Please provide an example of a major campus student leader or teacher saying “I support Hamas!” Or “I support what Hamas did on Oct 7.” Not criticism of Israel, not “from the river to sea” which can have more than one meaning but SPECIFICALLY support for Hamas. I’ll wait. Tim, you guys have already proven that you are gullible rubes when you couldn't see through all the covid BS. You listen to what people say instead of watching what they do (or don't do in the case of the summer of love). RLLD put it perfectly when he said antifa is given allowance, and he's absolutely right they are seen as useful by the left. Your team weaponized riots for political gain. No one with any kind of sense is going to give the benefit of the doubt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,522 Posted June 25 3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: Do whatever they want? OK let’s get specific again. Please cite the Democratic leader, be it a mayor, congressman, Senator, governor, or leading Democratic spokesperson, who during the summer of 2020 endorsed violence or violent activity or criminal behavior or Antifa. Thanks. Embraced? Endorsed? Obviously they don't say that. But Jenny Durkan referred to the occupation of the CHAZ zone in Seattle as "patriotic.". She said "providing true equity for communities of color is not terrorism. It's patriotism." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,011 Posted June 25 1 minute ago, Strike said: Embraced? Endorsed? Obviously they don't say that. But Jenny Durkan referred to the occupation of the CHAZ zone in Seattle as "patriotic.". She said "providing true equity for communities of color is not terrorism. It's patriotism." Kamala harris said they had every right to do what they were doing and they should keep doing it. Then she organized the go fundme to bail out the looters and arsonists so they could go back out onto the streets. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,665 Posted June 25 19 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: Do whatever they want? OK let’s get specific again. Please cite the Democratic leader, be it a mayor, congressman, Senator, governor, or leading Democratic spokesperson, who during the summer of 2020 endorsed violence or violent activity or criminal behavior or Antifa. Thanks. This gullible rube needs politicians to come out and say, "we are turning a blind eye to rioting to allow chaos which we will claim is because of trump policies and also not rile up my voting base" Hey, rube, you ever think the politicians might know not to explicitly say that? Well except for that one deputy mayor that is calling on gangs to fight ICE. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,783 Posted June 25 5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: Do whatever they want? OK let’s get specific again. Please cite the Democratic leader, be it a mayor, congressman, Senator, governor, or leading Democratic spokesperson, who during the summer of 2020 endorsed violence or violent activity or criminal behavior or Antifa. Thanks. Really Squissy? In 2020 the city of Seattle allowed Antifa to take over a section of their city. Of course no politician came out and endorsed "violence or violent activity or criminal behavior," duh. But allowing it to happen and not eliminating it is tacit endorsement. Oh, and since you asked, I present Kshama Sawant, Seattle City Councilwoman during the riots. Quote Before running for office, Sawant received attention as an organizer in the local Occupy movement.[12][25] She praised Occupy for putting "class," "capitalism," and "socialism" into the political debate.[43] After Occupy Seattle protesters were removed from Westlake Park by order of Seattle Mayor Michael McGinn, Sawant helped bring them to the Capitol Hill campus of Seattle Central Community College, where they remained for two months.[24] She joined with Occupy activists working with local organizations to resist home evictions and foreclosures, and was arrested with several Occupy activists including Dorli Rainey on July 31, 2012, for blocking King County Sheriff's deputies from evicting a man from his home.[115] Yes, she is an exception (it happens but it's rare). The main support was allowing it to happen. HTH Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,522 Posted June 25 Just now, nobody said: This gullible rube needs politicians to come out and say, "we are turning a blind eye to rioting to allow chaos which we will claim is because of trump policies." Hey, rube, you ever think the politicians might know not to explicitly say that? That's Tim's MO. Everything Trump says is taken and interpreted in the worst possible light but everything a lefty says is taken in the best possible light. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,743 Posted June 25 3 minutes ago, Strike said: Embraced? Endorsed? Obviously they don't say that. But Jenny Durkan referred to the occupation of the CHAZ zone in Seattle as "patriotic.". She said "providing true equity for communities of color is not terrorism. It's patriotism." It took me two seconds to look this up: what you’re quoting is her initial comments when she thought what was going on had a peaceful, “block party” atmosphere. She very quickly corrected herself. When violence and damage to property occurred she declared the whole thing unlawful and had the police disperse it. So once again you misrepresent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,743 Posted June 25 3 minutes ago, seafoam1 said: Kamala harris said they had every right to do what they were doing and they should keep doing it. Then she organized the go fundme to bail out the looters and arsonists so they could go back out onto the streets. None of this is true. Harris was referring to peaceful protesters and she worked to bail out peaceful protestors who were wrongfully arrested. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,743 Posted June 25 2 minutes ago, Strike said: That's Tim's MO. Everything Trump says is taken and interpreted in the worst possible light but everything a lefty says is taken in the best possible light. In both cases all I ask for is an accurate interpretation. In both cases you offer the opposite. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,011 Posted June 25 5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: None of this is true. Harris was referring to peaceful protesters and she worked to bail out peaceful protestors who were wrongfully arrested. Sure thing. Says nothing about being wrongfully arrested or not. Minnesota Freedom Fund (MFF) Bail organization that works to pay bail for individuals who cannot afford it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,665 Posted June 25 4 minutes ago, Strike said: That's Tim's MO. Everything Trump says is taken and interpreted in the worst possible light but everything a lefty says is taken in the best possible light. People on the spectrum don't understand that people lie. He's probably got Asperger syndrome. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,522 Posted June 25 4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: It took me two seconds to look this up: what you’re quoting is her initial comments when she thought what was going on had a peaceful, “block party” atmosphere. She very quickly corrected herself. When violence and damage to property occurred she declared the whole thing unlawful and had the police disperse it. So once again you misrepresent. This is BS. And that compound was allowed to exist until early July before she disbanded it. People died inside CHAZ because first responders couldn't get to them during this time. As I said you interpret everything said or done by a lefty in the best possible light, but there's no good light CHAZ can be seen in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,743 Posted June 25 4 minutes ago, jerryskids said: Really Squissy? In 2020 the city of Seattle allowed Antifa to take over a section of their city. Of course no politician came out and endorsed "violence or violent activity or criminal behavior," duh. But allowing it to happen and not eliminating it is tacit endorsement. Oh, and since you asked, I present Kshama Sawant, Seattle City Councilwoman during the riots. Yes, she is an exception (it happens but it's rare). The main support was allowing it to happen. HTH Allowing something to happen is not a “tacit endorsement”, ever. Also even the extreme example you quoted didn’t endorse violence. Jerry, if your original comment had been something like “I am concerned that leftist elements within the Democratic Party are too tolerant sometimes of people that either commit violence or endorse violence,” I never would have started this. I might have taken issue with a few specifics but in general I would have agreed with such an analysis. But when you and @RLLD and others make blanket statements like “Democrats support violence”, “Democrats support Antifa”, “Democrats support Hamas”, etc, etc, that is when I have to take strong issue because it’s bullsh!t. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
