Several SCOTUS decisions coming out today.....

[Fnord 2,264]

18 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yeah. The female construction workers are fairly useless. The firm is probably “owned” by a woman and they get priority with contracts.  

Do you get paid to post stupid shlt? I cannot fathom another reason that you could be so wrong, so often. Literally everything above is incorrect. One might even consider it dishonest.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,427]

2 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Do you get paid to post stupid shlt? I cannot fathom another reason that you could be so wrong, so often. Literally everything above is incorrect. One might even consider it dishonest.

 

Oh, women owned firms don’t get priority in many cases? I’m betting in the communist shitthole that is Minnesota they do. 

[TimHauck 2,869]

On 7/1/2025 at 9:24 AM, Strike said:

Unless you've got some data to back that up you're just making stuff up.  I have no doubt that some small number of women left the profession due to misogyny but we can quantify the difference in numbers of women going to college for stem versus man.  You're just throwing factors out there without any data to support how much of a factor it actually is.

Of course as I said it’s not the only factor, but still looks pretty significant. In this survey published in the Harvard Business Review Research Report in 2009:

-in total, 69% of women in engineering reported experiencing sexual harassment, and 32% report getting unwanted attention from feminine appearance (page 9, with the second part being double the rate of those in Science and Technology)

-52% believe an exclusionary old boys network exists in the field (page 17, higher than those in Science and Technology)

-38% report leaving science, technology and engineering due to a “hostile macho culture” (page 52)

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Lisa-Servon/publication/268325574_By_RESEARCH_REPORT_The_Athena_Factor_Reversing_the_Brain_Drain_in_Science_Engineering_and_Technology/links/556da5d808aeab7772244061/By-RESEARCH-REPORT-The-Athena-Factor-Reversing-the-Brain-Drain-in-Science-Engineering-and-Technology.pdf

 

 

 

 

[TimHauck 2,869]

21 hours ago, RLLD said:

This inclination to pretend we still live in the 1950's baffles me.  I think your lack of appreciation for the incredible progress made is sad.  Rather than choose the lazy route of ?its just because men are mean", I suggest you delve into it more.  Could there be some mean men out there? Sure....     Is that why women are not in the field....absofuckinglutely not....the real influence is far more interesting, and wasting time on 1950's era thinking is less useful

It’s cute that the GC thinks we’ve solved sexism and racism against minorities in the workplace (again, despite multiple posters in this small forum being admitted racists).  And yet will also often claim white males are being discriminated against.

[TimHauck 2,869]

23 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

Why do you quote a poster then also tag them?

You are a weird fella

Because it’s faster than typing the whole thing out because when you @ them it brings up options.  

And I didn’t feel like writing EternalDummy that time.

[Fnord 2,264]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Oh, women owned firms don’t get priority in many cases? I’m betting in the communist shitthole that is Minnesota they do. 

Lord, you're an ignoramus. Just stop. You have no focking clue what you're talking about.

[TBayXXXVII 2,545]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Oh, women owned firms don’t get priority in many cases? I’m betting in the communist shitthole that is Minnesota they do. 

My friend works for an engineering company and the owners (3 men), sold 5% of their cumulative shares to a woman, so that they can say they have a woman owner.

[RLLD 4,230]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

It’s cute that the GC thinks we’ve solved sexism and racism against minorities in the workplace (again, despite multiple posters in this small forum being admitted racists).  And yet will also often claim white males are being discriminated against.

Isn't it cure that some still think sexism and racism dominate issues, despite the profound deference provided to these groups.....and want to think its still 1950.....and then wonder why change is not happening....when in reality they are looking for something of no value to promote change.....like worrying about a rash when you have cancer....and at least some european researchers have figured it out....even if morons here still want to pretend

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

Several Colorado jurisdictions had preferences and/or set asides for minority and women businesses in government contracting.  I had to write such an ordiance scheme for one municipality.  Then the Purchasing Department had to affirmatively go out and seek out those firms to make bids as they still chose to not bid or were unaware of the law.  Seeking them out cost money.  Then, the Purchasing Department had to train them on how to submit bids, they did not know how to do so.  When they would contact me I would encourage them to do an open records request for the winning bid from the last time the contract had been awarded and to go to school off that bid, but they still needed training, which cost the government time and money.  Finally we started getting bids from such firms.  We did not look closely at their ownership, their qualification as women owned or minority owned.  Informally it was fairly clear that they were fronts for existing businesses.  Whether that status is what was intended by the legislation, whether that served as a way in to business for some and they eventually flourished on their own who can say. 

 

My experience in engineering is extremely limited.  I got a Chem E. degree in the 70's.  The classes then were 90% male, a real bummer as far as dating in school.  In the 80's i gaduated from law school.  My graduating class was 60% female.  6 of then top 10 people in the class were female.

 

I have daughters.  I support opportunity for women.  i do not believe they need any set asides to achieve, they are  more than capable and are doing well.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,427]

10 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

My friend works for an engineering company and the owners (3 men), sold 5% of their cumulative shares to a woman, so that they can say they have a woman owner.

Happens everywhere. The company I work for is “owned “ by the real owners wife. But not in Minnesota. Oh no. They don’t do any affirmative action there.  

[jerryskids 6,794]

4 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Meh, geeky kids from both genders often get treated like shiot, by both genders.  This is certainly not specific to girls 

 

4 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

Agreed, this is not just a female thing, but being a geek has been sort of embraced and accepted in recent years, at least compared to 20 years ago.

Lol it's the same!  You two are a hoot.  I try to concede an actual area where girls are influenced not to enter STEM, and you can't help but argue with me.  

[TimHauck 2,869]

16 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Isn't it cure that some still think sexism and racism dominate issues, despite the profound deference provided to these groups.....and want to think its still 1950.....and then wonder why change is not happening....when in reality they are looking for something of no value to promote change.....like worrying about a rash when you have cancer....and at least some european researchers have figured it out....even if morons here still want to pretend

I’ve stated repeatedly in various threads that racism against minorities has improved greatly.  And so has discrimination against women.  But it’s naive to act like it’s not still an issue.

[TimHauck 2,869]

Just now, jerryskids said:

 

Lol it's the same!  You two are a hoot.  I try to concede an actual area where girls are influenced not to enter STEM, and you can't help but argue with me.  

You’re not really trying to concede though, you’re blaming other girls for girls not wanting to enter STEM

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

BTW, I do not believe my personal anecdotal experience is broad enough to draw any societal conclusions.

[RLLD 4,230]

4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I’ve stated repeatedly in various threads that racism against minorities has improved greatly.  And so has discrimination against women.  But it’s naive to act like it’s not still an issue.

I think it very well could be an issue, but so too are many other things. I do not think it is an issue worth discussing unless somehow the legal system which has worked so well to prosecute it seems to be failing.

The real problem is that expectation that we can force women to make choices we insist for them is farcical and wrong.  If people do not make choices we believe are statistically justified....too bad....

[Ron_Artest 1,514]

7 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

 

Lol it's the same!  You two are a hoot.  I try to concede an actual area where girls are influenced not to enter STEM, and you can't help but argue with me.  

You said it's the biggest disincentive.  That's dumb.  It's probably very small.

[Fnord 2,264]

Just now, Engorgeous George said:

BTW, I do not believe my personal anecdotal experience is broad enough to draw any societal conclusions.

Because you're intelligent enough to understand why that's not advisable. Unlike certain other posters here, that get a stupid notion in their heads and cannot be dissuaded from it by any representations of facts or evidence to the contrary.

[jerryskids 6,794]

21 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

You’re not really trying to concede though, you’re blaming other girls for girls not wanting to enter STEM

Blaming?  I don't know what you are blabbering about.  I'm conceding there are societal factors, the largest of which is peer pressure by other young girls during their formative years...

 

17 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

You said it's the biggest disincentive.  That's dumb.  It's probably very small.

... despite what this jamoke says.  Bro thinks that a woman who accepted the social peer pressure to make it to college as a STEM student and then into the professional world, is going to quit because a guy called her "honey."

[TimHauck 2,869]

Just now, jerryskids said:

Blaming?  I don't know what you are blabbering about.  I'm conceding there are societal factors, the largest of which is peer pressure by other young girls during their formative years...

 

 

Yes, calling it “the largest factor” is “blaming” Jerry.  Cool semantics argument though.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,427]

35 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Because you're intelligent enough to understand why that's not advisable. Unlike certain other posters here, that get a stupid notion in their heads and cannot be dissuaded from it by any representations of facts or evidence to the contrary.

Ha! Thinks women owned firms didn’t get priority on contracts. They do, and it’s widespread. It’s almost as if this guy and others have very little to no real world experience.  “I saw some chicks working construction”. Yeah, I’m sure they were hauling materials around all day. lol. 

[Fnord 2,264]

58 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Ha! Thinks women owned firms didn’t get priority on contracts. They do, and it’s widespread. It’s almost as if this guy and others have very little to no real world experience.  “I saw some chicks working construction”. Yeah, I’m sure they were hauling materials around all day. lol. 

I hate yippy little dogs. Not only are they loud and shrill and never STFU, but they always have some kinda complex that makes them believe they are much more important and intelligent than they actually are. 

Lemme explain so perhaps (that means maybe) you will understand:

I work in a big hospital. There are lots of male nurses. This is called an observation. That means I actually saw, with my eyes, men that are nurses. Because it's a big hospital, there is always a lot of construction. I also saw (again, with my own eyes, IRL) a growing number of female construction workers, engaging in all the same work as their male counterparts.

This fuckknuckle spends the rest of the morning quoting me about female owned firms getting priority contracts, as if that nullifies what I've seen, or somehow contradicts my thoughts, or impugns my employer and/or the company doing construction for my employer.

What's your point, Chewie Chihuahua? You need a taco? A belly rub? Or just some acknowledgment? Consider this your verbal pat on the head, your treat, and your "that's a good boy, now stop shitting on the carpet!" praise.

 

 

 

[Ron_Artest 1,514]

Tardcore having a really rough day :sad:

[Hardcore troubadour 15,427]

I didn’t mention male nurses now did I? Trying to deflect that I did.  Also,  no you didn’t. Those broads weren’t doing construction. 

[Fnord 2,264]

2 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Tardcore having a really rough day :sad:

Just noticed: anagram for tardcore is TACO derr. 

[Fnord 2,264]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I didn’t mention male nurses now did I? Trying to deflect that I did.  Also,  no you didn’t. Those broads weren’t doing construction. 

Bad Chewie! Bad boy! Stop lying, you weren't there. Go lay down. No treats for you.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,427]

21 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Bad Chewie! Bad boy! Stop lying, you weren't there. Go lay down. No treats for you.

You insinuating I was making fun of male nurses shows what a punk you are. 

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

1 hour ago, Fnord said:

I hate yippy little dogs. Not only are they loud and shrill and never STFU, but they always have some kinda complex that makes them believe they are much more important and intelligent than they actually are. 

Lemme explain so perhaps (that means maybe) you will understand:

I work in a big hospital. There are lots of male nurses. This is called an observation. That means I actually saw, with my eyes, men that are nurses. Because it's a big hospital, there is always a lot of construction. I also saw (again, with my own eyes, IRL) a growing number of female construction workers, engaging in all the same work as their male counterparts.

This fuckknuckle spends the rest of the morning quoting me about female owned firms getting priority contracts, as if that nullifies what I've seen, or somehow contradicts my thoughts, or impugns my employer and/or the company doing construction for my employer.

What's your point, Chewie Chihuahua? You need a taco? A belly rub? Or just some acknowledgment? Consider this your verbal pat on the head, your treat, and your "that's a good boy, now stop shitting on the carpet!" praise.

 

 

 

You made me laugh, in a good way.

[Fnord 2,264]

49 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

You insinuating I was making fun of male nurses shows what a punk you are. 

My insinuations are your imaginings. I don't typically insinuate, I state. I never claimed you were making fun of male nurses. You are calling me a liar that has not seen what I claimed to have seen, for which I take umbrage. Do not project your passing, informal relationship with the truth onto others. Your lack of integrity does not extend to me.

Also, I am not offended by being called a punk; I celebrate it! I thoroughly enjoy that genre of music and its independent, DIY ethos that mixes important messaging with fast beats, good humor, and embracing unity and respect while acknowledging differences amongst people and celebrating all of it by randomly, and sometimes violently, smashing into them while listening. Not surprising you'd misinterpret it.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,427]

4 minutes ago, Fnord said:

My insinuations are your imaginings. I don't typically insinuate, I state. I never claimed you were making fun of male nurses. You are calling me a liar that has not seen what I claimed to have seen, for which I take umbrage. Do not project your passing, informal relationship with the truth onto others. Your lack of integrity does not extend to me.

Also, I am not offended by being called a punk; I celebrate it! I thoroughly enjoy that genre of music and its independent, DIY ethos that mixes important messaging with fast beats, good humor, and embracing unity and respect while acknowledging differences amongst people and celebrating all of it by randomly, and sometimes violently, smashing into them while listening. Not surprising you'd misinterpret it.

 No, you’re just a punk.  Not a punk rocker. I would have noted the difference. I was going to punk rock concerts when you were playing with the cabbage patch kids. 

[Fnord 2,264]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

 No, you’re just a punk.  Not a punk rocker. I would have noted the difference. I was going to punk rock concerts when you were playing with the cabbage patch kids. 

More lies. Note I am not insinuating, I am calling you out for being a liar. To your virtual face.

PS, anyone that would refer to themselves as a punk rocker; isn't.

If you feel like continuing this completely retarded convo, do it via PM. I don't think anyone here GAF about HT's 4,324,657th GC slap fight. I sure as fock don't.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,427]

1 hour ago, Fnord said:

More lies. Note I am not insinuating, I am calling you out for being a liar. To your virtual face.

PS, anyone that would refer to themselves as a punk rocker; isn't.

If you feel like continuing this completely retarded convo, do it via PM. I don't think anyone here GAF about HT's 4,324,657th GC slap fight. I sure as fock don't.

Lying about what? Going to some concerts? Oh, now you want out off the slap fight. Permission granted. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,427]

Leftards: If you get rid of the illegals, construction costs will skyrocket! 
Leftards: I see women doing construction all the time!