Illegal Immigration and the Impact on National Home Prices

[TimHauck 2,876]

17 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

So prices go down, or don't, or go up. 

Take care out there on that limb. 

Correct.  I was more talking about what the narratives from conservatives would be after either one happens.

[5-Points 3,533]

4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Correct.  I was more talking about what the narratives from conservatives would be after either one happens.

So like you guys when anything bad happens - Trump!

When anything good happens - any reason but Trump!

Like I said, take care out there on that limb. 

 

[TimHauck 2,876]

49 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

So like you guys when anything bad happens - Trump!

When anything good happens - any reason but Trump!

Like I said, take care out there on that limb. 

 

Correct, both sides blame the other when things go bad, and credit themselves when things go well.

I don’t have a side though.

[seafoam1 3,025]

Just now, TimHauck said:

Correct, both sides blame the other when things go bad, and credit themselves when things go well.

I don’t have a side though.

You are an extremist liberal. 

And everyone knows it. 

[TimHauck 2,876]

7 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

They're not, they're cheaper and cheaper made. 

No American can live off of $15 and hour. It's all about cheap slave labor. And if you really cared about ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS then that would be your argument. Not "keep them working so we can have cheaper homes". 

I gotta call you out, you're a fraud. You care about YOU, not ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.  

I never said that. Just stating facts.   Construction companies (which I would bet more often than not are owned by people that lean conservative) often hire illegals to keep costs down.  If there are no illegals to hire then costs will likely go up. 

I will say we’ve come a long way as a society though if you’re okay with calling $15/hour “slave labor.”  For one I bet many of the ones working construction actually are making more.   Remember when Jesse Watters thought $20/hour was $100k a year though?  Talk about out of touch.

[Maximum Overkill 1,989]

10 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Remember when Jesse Watters thought $20/hour was $100k a year though?  Talk about out of touch.

I'm not Jessie Waters, I've built and sold numerous buildings, it's what I do. So you may want to bring your nonsense elsewhere.  

 

[jonnyutah 289]

11 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I never said that. Just stating facts.   Construction companies (which I would bet more often than not are owned by people that lean conservative) often hire illegals to keep costs down.  If there are no illegals to hire then costs will likely go up. 

I will say we’ve come a long way as a society though if you’re okay with calling $15/hour “slave labor.”  For one I bet many of the ones working construction actually are making more.   Remember when Jesse Watters thought $20/hour was $100k a year though?  Talk about out of touch.

If illegal labor was a large driver of keeping construction costs down why wouldnt construction costs have plummeted under Biden? 

 

[jonnyutah 289]

In order to assume that deporting millions of people wouldnt cause home prices to go down we must first assume that real estate markets are fully stratified and that these stratifications never change.

We must also assume that in big cities where people are willing to pay large sums of money in rent that this always correlates to a nice place and that nobody would ever consider selling these off or fixing them up and therefore high demand of the run down places have no capability of creating any upward pressure. 

Then we must also assume that there is zero NGO money or government money available for housing that could possibly create any upward pressure. 

[TimHauck 2,876]

11 minutes ago, jonnyutah said:

If illegal labor was a large driver of keeping construction costs down why wouldnt construction costs have plummeted under Biden? 

 

Covid and the resulting increase in both the demand for SFH’s due to covid restrictions and the ability to work from home which created more demand nationally, as well as the resulting supply chain disruptions, which were really the main reason for the massive increase in home prices in general.  The multiple covid giveaways from both Trump and Biden didn’t hurt either.

Also, a lot of the illegal labor was already here before Biden.  They’re of course not just deporting people that came in during Biden.

[TimHauck 2,876]

8 hours ago, TimHauck said:

So, several replies so far, common theme being theories and “dur, it’s common sense!”

No data yet.  And “millions of additional people came into the country!” isn’t data.

Bump

[TimHauck 2,876]

Some data I had posted in a previous thread:

https://x.com/ernietedeschi/status/1841508002144063904
 

 

[seafoam1 3,025]

1 hour ago, jonnyutah said:

In order to assume that deporting millions of people wouldnt cause home prices to go down we must first assume that real estate markets are fully stratified and that these stratifications never change.

We must also assume that in big cities where people are willing to pay large sums of money in rent that this always correlates to a nice place and that nobody would ever consider selling these off or fixing them up and therefore high demand of the run down places have no capability of creating any upward pressure. 

Then we must also assume that there is zero NGO money or government money available for housing that could possibly create any upward pressure. 

Simply put. Liberals and illegals are ruining this nation. The quicker we get them the hell out of this country, the better. 

[jonnyutah 289]

3 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Covid and the resulting increase in both the demand for SFH’s due to covid restrictions and the ability to work from home which created more demand nationally, as well as the resulting supply chain disruptions, which were really the main reason for the massive increase in home prices in general.  The multiple covid giveaways from both Trump and Biden didn’t hurt either.

Also, a lot of the illegal labor was already here before Biden.  They’re of course not just deporting people that came in during Biden.

I dont understand how you can argue demand for SFHs increased and then claim illegal immigrants have zero effect. Illegals mostly go to cities. People left cities. Without a replacement population cities would see housing price depression. 

The data you posted isnt just for illegals, but that distinction isnt really that important. An illegal and an asylee and TPS are not really much different for this discussion.

The American immigration council uses housing as a selling point for bringing more immigrants. According to them immigrants add 3.7 trillion to US housing wealth. They say in Houston that immigrants add 25k in value to each home. 

Chicago has seen the US born population decline by almost 900k people since 1970. The foreign born population has expanded by almost that amount. blunting what could have been a catastrophic impact on the local housing market

They sell it as a positive. But both things cant be true. They cant be a positive impact on housing wealth, but not cause any upward pressure. 

Pointing out that costs have gone up more in many areas where the immigrant population isnt as high, is a disingenuous talking point that assumes all markets are silos and there is zero spillover. 

 

[The Real timschochet 6,765]

Mass deportation is incredibly unpopular with the American public: 

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/07/13/politics/deportations-backfiring-trump-analysis

[iam90sbaby 2,611]

12 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Why don’t you guys just admit this is all about the racial makeup of the country? You’re afraid it’s getting browner. 

Did you just figure that out?

[The Real timschochet 6,765]

58 minutes ago, iam90sbaby said:

Did you just figure that out?

I want other conservatives around here to admit to sharing your racist fears. You’re open and honest about it; they’re not. 

[iam90sbaby 2,611]

20 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I want other conservatives around here to admit to sharing your racist fears. You’re open and honest about it; they’re not. 

It’s not fear, it’s culture preservation. I’m not scared of a little Mexican man. 

[seafoam1 3,025]

3 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I want other conservatives around here to admit to sharing your racist fears. You’re open and honest about it; they’re not. 

Did you marry a black woman?

[jonnyutah 289]

6 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Mass deportation is incredibly unpopular with the American public: 

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/07/13/politics/deportations-backfiring-trump-analysis

Nah. The presentation of mass deportation put forward by the media is very unpopular. 

But if this administration stays the course, this is an easy long term win. 

People can be convinced that sending 12 murders and rapists to Sudan is a bad thing. You just have to leave out the murdering and raping and that their own country wont let us return them. 

They can be convinced that tomatoes will cost $8/lb even though labor is only .03/lb. So you could quadruple labor and barely make a dent. 

But when their state farm rep in colorado calls to tell them their illegal alien premium annual payment of 1000 dollars has been cut to 250, they will forget all that crap. When they dont have juanita and hector selling tamales right in front of their bar anymore. When they break their ankle and go to the emergency room and dont have brown people everywhere. 

People will notice these things and smile ear to ear. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

It’s being reported that traffic in the LA area has greatly improved. People are going to like that. 

[jonnyutah 289]

1 hour ago, seafoam1 said:

Did you marry a black woman?

You need to be more subtle. Go down a list. 

Do you have herpes? 

Does your wife have long nails or wear a wig?

Can your kids get an organ donation? 

 

[Strike 5,547]

5 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I want other conservatives around here to admit to sharing your racist fears. You’re open and honest about it; they’re not. 

This is just such a disgusting assertion I don't even know how to respond.  But you keep up your racism there Timmy.  You wouldn't be you without your lack of self reflection racism!!!

[TimHauck 2,876]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

This is just such a disgusting assertion I don't even know how to respond.  But you keep up your racism there Timmy.  You wouldn't be you without your lack of self reflection racism!!!

Weird that you call out RealTim, but not @iam90sbaby

[Strike 5,547]

21 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

It’s being reported that traffic in the LA area has greatly improved. People are going to like that. 

Back before I moved out of LA, and before the lunatics became so brazen that they thought stopping traffic for hours was legitimate "peaceful protest", the illegals tried to show their value by having a day of no illegals, where they all decided not to show up for work to prove to us that we couldn't live without them.  They thought that not having our trash cans emptied at our desks would make us believe they were essential parts of America.  The only difference anyone saw was that the freeways, which has been parking lots during rush hour for decades, actually moved quite freely.  It had the exact OPPOSITE effect than they were trying for, and they've never done it again since.

[Strike 5,547]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

Weird that you call out RealTim, but not @iam90sbaby

Following me around again like a little puppy.  How cute!!!!  

[TimHauck 2,876]

3 minutes ago, Strike said:

Back before I moved out of LA, and before the lunatics became so brazen that they thought stopping traffic for hours was legitimate "peaceful protest", the illegals tried to show their value by having a day of no illegals, where they all decided not to show up for work to prove to us that we couldn't live without them.  They thought that not having our trash cans emptied at our desks would make us believe they were essential parts of America.  The only difference anyone saw was that the freeways, which has been parking lots during rush hour for decades, actually moved quite freely.  It had the exact OPPOSITE effect than they were trying for, and they've never done it again since.

So you agree it was BS for your friend to say he “had to” hire illegals?

[TimHauck 2,876]

3 minutes ago, Strike said:

Following me around again like a little puppy.  How cute!!!!  

Uh, I started this thread, dummy

[Ron_Artest 1,533]

5 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Weird that you call out RealTim, but not @iam90sbaby

He just hates tim. He's fine with racism.

[Strike 5,547]

4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

So you agree it was BS for your friend to say he “had to” hire illegals?

No.  The illegals are there, and everyone is hiring them.  He has to hire illegals to compete.  

[TimHauck 2,876]

4 minutes ago, Strike said:

No.  The illegals are there, and everyone is hiring them.  He has to hire illegals to compete.  

But you just said when they did “a day without illegals” that no one noticed.

The two statements are inconsistent, it’s okay you can admit it.

[Horseman 2,458]

Retard semantics game!  Wheeee!

[seafoam1 3,025]

All liberals have left in the tank is calling the normals all racists. 

Oh boy, that's some strong stuff right there. 

[Strike 5,547]

49 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

But you just said when they did “a day without illegals” that no one noticed.

The two statements are inconsistent, it’s okay you can admit it.

I didn't talk to Mike that day so don't know how it affected him.  But even if none of his workers showed up, one day isn't going to affect his business.  HTH.

And this is why you're difficult to discuss things with.  You're so fixated on getting "gotcha's" that you ignore logic and common sense.  Or else you're just a troll.  Either way, this post is a good example of why I don't take you seriously.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

Tim Hack should be dismissed for the most part , only occasionally interacting with him to mock him. I can’t believe so many of you dialogue so often and for so long with him. 

[Ron_Artest 1,533]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Tim Hack should be dismissed for the most part , only occasionally interacting with him to mock him. I can’t believe so many of you dialogue so often and for so long with him. 

Complete lack of self awareness

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

Just now, Ron_Artest said:

Complete lack of self awareness

Scoreboard alias man. Sllllllaaaaaap! 

[The Real timschochet 6,765]

2 hours ago, Strike said:

This is just such a disgusting assertion I don't even know how to respond.  But you keep up your racism there Timmy.  You wouldn't be you without your lack of self reflection racism!!!

I stand by my comment. I know you don’t want to believe it, don’t want to admit it to yourself. But I think it’s accurate. 
 

We’re going to be able to sort out the good from the bad pretty shortly here. Those who agree with Joe Rogan on this, who voted for Trump in order to get tough at the border and deport violent criminals, but who are upset about rounding up folks at Home Depot- some of them may be misguided, but they’re the good guys. 
 

Those who blindly insist on mass deportation of all undocumented immigrants no matter what the circumstances, like you do- you are the bad guys and I call you bigots. And you’re going to lose. 

[CaptainObvious1 368]

2 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

He just hates tim. He's fine with racism.

I hate you and think you’re fine with racism

[Strike 5,547]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I stand by my comment. I know you don’t want to believe it, don’t want to admit it to yourself. But I think it’s accurate. 
 

We’re going to be able to sort out the good from the bad pretty shortly here. Those who agree with Joe Rogan on this, who voted for Trump in order to get tough at the border and deport violent criminals, but who are upset about rounding up folks at Home Depot- some of them may be misguided, but they’re the good guys. 
 

Those who blindly insist on mass deportation of all undocumented immigrants no matter what the circumstances, like you do- you are the bad guys and I call you bigots. And you’re going to lose. 

Oh, I'm ONLY a bigot now.  I guess that's better than when you called me Xenophobe, which was in and of itself better than when you called me a flat out racist.  ROFLMAO.

[seafoam1 3,025]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I stand by my comment. I know you don’t want to believe it, don’t want to admit it to yourself. But I think it’s accurate. 
 

We’re going to be able to sort out the good from the bad pretty shortly here. Those who agree with Joe Rogan on this, who voted for Trump in order to get tough at the border and deport violent criminals, but who are upset about rounding up folks at Home Depot- some of them may be misguided, but they’re the good guys. 
 

Those who blindly insist on mass deportation of all undocumented immigrants no matter what the circumstances, like you do- you are the bad guys and I call you bigots. And you’re going to lose. 

You said that before the 2024 election. And YOU lost. 

And you can name call all you want. I'll just celebrate all the deportations this country can get under Trump.