First 'Real' Draft of 2025

[WhiteWonder 2,836]

Not counting the leagues made from the FFToday mock drafts. 

Have a field day, tear it apart 

Long running 12 team, PPR, start 1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 1FLX.  We draw order minutes before go time. I picked 8th. Yes, Barkley fell to 8th. 

QB: Fields, Prescott
RB: Barkley, Kamara, Kaleb Johnson, Ford, Shipley
WR: London, Evans, Ridley, Rice (i know, i know.. I couldn't resist the luxury pick), K. Allen
TE: Andrews, Waller
K:   Fairbairn
DST:  Seattle

I would have to go back and look at what picking Rice realistically cost me. It was a dead spot in the draft where I was not ready to pull the trigger on a Bo Nix and the next tier of TE's has not yet started. Unfortunately I missed Njoku and had to settle for Andrews. 

Ancient team for sure, older than I planned

[SUXBNME 1,573]

Love Prescott, Barkley, London Evans and Waller at where you got them 

Great draft 

[Sandy Loam 248]

2 minutes ago, SUXBNME said:

Love Prescott, Barkley, London Evans and Waller. 

 

I'm sure they feel the same way about you.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,589]

Get rid of kickers, put in another flex. You won’t regret it. 

[WhiteWonder 2,836]

6 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Get rid of kickers, put in another flex. You won’t regret it. 

could add another flex and still keep kickers. I dare say DST is worse than kicker these days in terms of randomness and the ability to just stream matchups. 

[Maximum Overkill 2,172]

36 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

Not counting the leagues made from the FFToday mock drafts. 

Have a field day, tear it apart 

Long running 12 team, PPR, start 1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 1FLX.  We draw order minutes before go time. I picked 8th. Yes, Barkley fell to 8th. 

QB: Fields, Prescott
RB: Barkley, Kamara, Kaleb Johnson, Ford, Shipley
WR: London, Evans, Ridley, Rice (i know, i know.. I couldn't resist the luxury pick), K. Allen
TE: Andrews, Waller
K:   Fairbairn
DST:  Seattle

I would have to go back and look at what picking Rice realistically cost me. It was a dead spot in the draft where I was not ready to pull the trigger on a Bo Nix and the next tier of TE's has not yet started. Unfortunately I missed Njoku and had to settle for Andrews. 

Ancient team for sure, older than I planned

Running backs are strong, I love the Kaleb Johnson pick. WRs and TEs are thin. I'd prefer Tyler Warren or Kraft there over Mandrews. Both are cheaper with way higher upsides. 

All in all it's a decent squad. 

[WhiteWonder 2,836]

6 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Running backs are strong, I love the Kaleb Johnson pick. WRs and TEs are thin. I'd prefer Tyler Warren or Kraft there over Mandrews. Both are cheaper with way higher upsides. 

All in all it's a decent squad. 

Kraft was off the board 5-6 picks prior. I almost picked Warren over Andrews but with Likely out for a bit and Andrews still being just 29, I figured what the hell. Warren went in the next round.

I actually prefer my WR depth to my RB depth as I think Jaylen is going to start off as the lead back... but I am also someone who is very high on Ridley this season and I think Rashee will give me 2nd/3rd round production until he is suspended and after he returns. I am hoping I get lucky with 4 games but am expecting 6.

[Maximum Overkill 2,172]

1 minute ago, WhiteWonder said:

I almost picked Warren over Andrews but with Likely out for a bit and Andrews still being just 29, I figured what the hell. Warren went in the next round and Kraft was off the board. 

I actually prefer my WR depth to my RB depth as I think Jaylen is going to start off as the lead back... but I am also someone who is very high on Ridley this season and I think Rashee will give me 2nd/3rd round production until and after he is suspended. I am hoping I get lucky with 4 games but am expecting 6.

I love Ridley this year as well, but only at his current ADP. I'm a WR early drafter, TE then upside running backs. 

Kaleb Johnson could seriously be a league winner at that ADP. I have no idea how he's ranked so low but it's criminal. Same goes for Treveon who could catch 80+ balls by accident. 

Good draft though, I like your squad. 

[WhiteWonder 2,836]

1 minute ago, Maximum Overkill said:

I love Ridley this year as well, but only at his current ADP. I'm a WR early drafter, TE then upside running backs. 

Kaleb Johnson could seriously be a league winner at that ADP. I have no idea how he's ranked so low but it's criminal. Same goes for Treveon who could catch 80+ balls by accident. 

Good draft though, I like your squad. 

Ridley seemed to make sense at 5.8. his average adp on fantasy pros is 64. My next pick would have been 65th. Knowing my league I had to snag him there. I have no qualms with Kaleb, I drafted him for a reason, I just don't expect him to be a weekly winner in the early going.  I love Trev Henderson but he was picked at 4.2.  I considered going WR and Trev in round 4 but glad I didn't since he would not have made it back

[Maximum Overkill 2,172]

1 minute ago, WhiteWonder said:

Ridley seemed to make sense at 5.8. his average adp on fantasy pros is 64. My next pick would have been 65th. Knowing my league I had to snag him there. I have no qualms with Kaleb, I drafted him for a reason, I just don't expect him to be a weekly winner in the early going.  I love Trev Henderson but he was picked at 4.2.  I considered going WR and Trev in round 4 but glad I didn't since he would not have made it back

The only thing that worries me with Ridley is the rookie QB, he's still an unknown. But on the other hand they should suck and he's their only real weapon on offense. If he stays healthy he'll see 150 targets easily. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,589]

36 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

could add another flex and still keep kickers. I dare say DST is worse than kicker these days in terms of randomness and the ability to just stream matchups. 

Yeah, defense is definitely up for discussion. It’s not worth bothering about with the randomness. Like the Dak pick

[Maximum Overkill 2,172]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yeah, defense is definitely up for discussion. It’s not worth bothering about with the randomness. Like the Dak pick

I always loved Dak for Fantasy purposes. He's always undervalued and will never lose you a week. When healthy of course. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,589]

14 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

I always loved Dak for Fantasy purposes. He's always undervalued and will never lose you a week. When healthy of course. 

He’s never had a defense this bad before. Potential to be his best WR corp. 

[Ron_Artest 1,752]

7 hours ago, WhiteWonder said:

Not counting the leagues made from the FFToday mock drafts. 

Have a field day, tear it apart 

Long running 12 team, PPR, start 1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 1FLX.  We draw order minutes before go time. I picked 8th. Yes, Barkley fell to 8th. 

QB: Fields, Prescott
RB: Barkley, Kamara, Kaleb Johnson, Ford, Shipley
WR: London, Evans, Ridley, Rice (i know, i know.. I couldn't resist the luxury pick), K. Allen
TE: Andrews, Waller
K:   Fairbairn
DST:  Seattle

 

Not a fan of the QBs, in that range I would have just waited and gone down the caleb, maybe, tlaw, McCarthy range.  Huge value on Barkley but concerns about a decline/injury.  Safer pick would have been nico or Henry but can't blame you.  I really like kamara again this year, low on Kaleb, would have gone Tracy or charbonnet in that range.  London is fine, low on Evans, Ridley will be great.  Not too high on Andrews, likely was primed to take that role before injury, would have preferred Warren or Loveland but with Daniel jones I'm just taking Loveland everywhere, flier on pitts, why not.

[WhiteWonder 2,836]

2 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

Not a fan of the QBs, in that range I would have just waited and gone down the caleb, maybe, tlaw, McCarthy range.  Huge value on Barkley but concerns about a decline/injury.  Safer pick would have been nico or Henry but can't blame you.  I really like kamara again this year, low on Kaleb, would have gone Tracy or charbonnet in that range.  London is fine, low on Evans, Ridley will be great.  Not too high on Andrews, likely was primed to take that role before injury, would have preferred Warren or Loveland but with Daniel jones I'm just taking Loveland everywhere, flier on pitts, why not.

interesting takes. I have not heard many, if any people saying they don't like the range of QBs that include Fields, Dak, Goff, Herbert, and also Caleb. For example, Caleb went in the same round as Dak. It's a popular spot considering you can still grab Lawrence/McCarthy and other interesting options as backups. I may have forced the Dak insurance policy but it only cost me Pittman or Addison in terms of players I was interested in. 

Barkley is not in my personal top 4 but I am hard pressed to find a reason to pass on him after pick 6. Finally playing on a real football team, I don't have any larger concerns regarding injury and/or decline than I do for a 31 year old Henry or even Collins who has missed 9 games the past 3 seasons. I also have London in the same tier as Collins so there was no reason to pop Nico that early, though I do like him quite a bit. 

As for Andrews, again I had to hold my nose while making the pick but I have not seen much to indicate Likely was "primed to take that role" before his offseason injury. Likely more or less vanished after his monster week 1 last season. He's been good when Andrews is not on the field. The bigger issues for Andrews were really the arrival of Henry, increased targets for Bateman, and now the arrival of DHop. 

I can't seem to get interested in Loveland. Call me crazy but I think Daniel Jones is a decent boost for Tyler Warren and I don't happen to think Caleb is taking a big enough leap to support DJ Moore, Odunze, and Loveland with Burden in the mix and Kmet still there. However I do think Warren can immediately become the top passing target in Indy over Pittman/Downs.  Should be interesting between those 2. 

 

[MDC 7,593]

10 hours ago, WhiteWonder said:

Not counting the leagues made from the FFToday mock drafts. 

Have a field day, tear it apart 

Long running 12 team, PPR, start 1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 1FLX.  We draw order minutes before go time. I picked 8th. Yes, Barkley fell to 8th. 

QB: Fields, Prescott
RB: Barkley, Kamara, Kaleb Johnson, Ford, Shipley
WR: London, Evans, Ridley, Rice (i know, i know.. I couldn't resist the luxury pick), K. Allen
TE: Andrews, Waller
K:   Fairbairn
DST:  Seattle

I would have to go back and look at what picking Rice realistically cost me. It was a dead spot in the draft where I was not ready to pull the trigger on a Bo Nix and the next tier of TE's has not yet started. Unfortunately I missed Njoku and had to settle for Andrews. 

Ancient team for sure, older than I planned

I think this team is very solid. RB depth is just OK but with Barkley you’re set. I’m very high on London this year and Rice probably gets no more than a 4-game suspension and you’ll end up flexing him. 

I’d give this a solid B.

 

Edit: My 10-team full PPR league from last week.

QB: Dak Prescott, Caleb Williams

RB: Bijan Robinson, Devon Achane, Ken Walker 3, Kaleb Johnson, Javonte Williams

WR: Ladd McConkey, Mike Evans, Xavier Worthy, Calvin Ridley, Ricky Pearsall

TE: Evan Engram

D Lions

K: Jake Elliot

[WhiteWonder 2,836]

3 minutes ago, MDC said:

I think this team is very solid. RB depth is just OK but with Barkley you’re set. I’m very high on London this year and Rice probably gets no more than a 4-game suspension and you’ll end up flexing him. 

I’d give this a solid B.

I'm anticipating 6 for Rice.  Without London, Evans and Ridley already drafted, that's a pick I don't make. I looked back and the only players that luxury pick cost me were Bo Nix (I like him a lot but always prefer to wait on QB), and the run of TE's (Hockenson, Kelce, Kraft, Njoku, Engram). On the bright side it lets me flex Rice for 4 weeks while I see if I am correct about Ridley and possibly flip one of those WR's before the trade deadline with KC having a week 10 bye. 

[Ron_Artest 1,752]

32 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

interesting takes. I have not heard many, if any people saying they don't like the range of QBs that include Fields, Dak, Goff, Herbert, and also Caleb. For example, Caleb went in the same round as Dak. It's a popular spot considering you can still grab Lawrence/McCarthy and other interesting options as backups. I may have forced the Dak insurance policy but it only cost me Pittman or Addison in terms of players I was interested in. 

Barkley is not in my personal top 4 but I am hard pressed to find a reason to pass on him after pick 6. Finally playing on a real football team, I don't have any larger concerns regarding injury and/or decline than I do for a 31 year old Henry or even Collins who has missed 9 games the past 3 seasons. I also have London in the same tier as Collins so there was no reason to pop Nico that early, though I do like him quite a bit. 

As for Andrews, again I had to hold my nose while making the pick but I have not seen much to indicate Likely was "primed to take that role" before his offseason injury. Likely more or less vanished after his monster week 1 last season. He's been good when Andrews is not on the field. The bigger issues for Andrews were really the arrival of Henry, increased targets for Bateman, and now the arrival of DHop. 

I can't seem to get interested in Loveland. Call me crazy but I think Daniel Jones is a decent boost for Tyler Warren and I don't happen to think Caleb is taking a big enough leap to support DJ Moore, Odunze, and Loveland with Burden in the mix and Kmet still there. However I do think Warren can immediately become the top passing target in Indy over Pittman/Downs.  Should be interesting between those 2. 

 

I think fields/goff/dak is the QB dead zone.  The way I'm looking at QB is year is either early for Lamar, Allen, daniels or I'm waiting for Caleb/maye/tlaw/love/McCarthy.

Low on Dak, downgraded coach who wants to run, coming off injury, lack of weapons.  I like Caleb in Johnson's offense plus loaded with weapons.

Low on fields, he's not a good QB so you're just hoping he gets rushing yards.  If he's bad it's not out of the question we see tyrod.

 

[listen2me 23 1,906]

I will be taking 2 QBs late yet again.  After the top 5 or so its basically all the same. I saw one set of rankings with Goff 17th.  Sure he doesnt run but he had 4600 yds and 37 tds last year.  Id rather grab 2 qbs back to back late playing matchups than be handcuffed by playing an early qb week in and week out no matter the matchup.  

Several qbs ranked outside the top 12 could easily finish as a top 6 qb.  

[Ron_Artest 1,752]

Goff, lost his OC, due for regression, more outdoor games this year (check out his indoor outdoor splits). I'm fading him.

[listen2me 23 1,906]

10 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

I think fields/goff/dak is the QB dead zone.  The way I'm looking at QB is year is either early for Lamar, Allen, daniels or I'm waiting for Caleb/maye/tlaw/love/McCarthy.

Low on Dak, downgraded coach who wants to run, coming off injury, lack of weapons.  I like Caleb in Johnson's offense plus loaded with weapons.

Low on fields, he's not a good QB so you're just hoping he gets rushing yards.  If he's bad it's not out of the question we see tyrod.

 

I wouldnt call a top 5 WR and Pickens "lack of weapons"   but thats just me.  

I dont care if the coach wants to run.  Their RB room sucks.  Their defense will give up points.  Dak will throw.  Zero reason to have Lamb, go get Pickens, neglect RB, then say we are gonna run the ball all day.  If they really were hell bent on running the ball they would have tried much harder to get a serviceable RB.  Not settle for Williams and waiting until the 5th to draft one.  

[listen2me 23 1,906]

3 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Goff, lost his OC, due for regression, more outdoor games this year (check out his indoor outdoor splits). I'm fading him.

I wont expect him to put up those stats.  But if hes the 17th ranked QB, I think he can live up to that spot pretty easily.   Perfect guy to grab late with another upside QB and play matchups.  

[Maximum Overkill 2,172]

25 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Low on Dak, downgraded coach who wants to run, coming off injury, lack of weapons

Dak is low on weapons? 

Dak is about the safest pick in all of Fantasy. I'd pair him with an upside QB like Fields, Nix, C. Williams, etc. You'll have your floor & ceiling 

[Ron_Artest 1,752]

Just now, Maximum Overkill said:

Dak is low on weapons? 

Dak is about the safest pick in all of Fantasy. I'd pair him with an upside QB like Fields, Nix, C. Williams, etc. You'll have your floor & ceiling 

Safest pick in all of fantasy?

Yes low on weapons, he has 1 great WR.  Pickens I'm not high on.  He's not a great route runner, thrives on big plays, shottenheimer offenses don't produce big plays.  All other wrs are trash.  TE is meh. Not many weapons.

[Maximum Overkill 2,172]

Just now, Ron_Artest said:

Safest pick in all of fantasy?

Yes low on weapons, he has 1 great WR.  Pickens I'm not high on.  He's not a great route runner, thrives on big plays, shottenheimer offenses don't produce big plays.  All other wrs are trash.  TE is meh. Not many weapons.

His numbers have never dipped. That's safe.

He has a top 3 WR, a probable top 20 WR and a top 10 TE (when healthy). He also has a RB who caught 52 balls last season in a shared backfield. They will also be playing from behind a lot, thus his attempts will certainly increase. 

If you know anything about Fantasy Football then you know that Dak is a huge value at his current ADP. 

Do you factor in ADP at all??? 

 

[Ron_Artest 1,752]

5 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

His numbers have never dipped. That's safe.

He has a top 3 WR, a probable top 20 WR and a top 10 TE (when healthy). He also has a RB who caught 52 balls last season in a shared backfield. They will also be playing from behind a lot, thus his attempts will certainly increase. 

If you know anything about Fantasy Football then you know that Dak is a huge value at his current ADP. 

Do you factor in ADP at all??? 

 

Dak QB finishes the last 5 seasons

31

3

18

7

32

He's going at QB 10 right now.  Hes only beaten that 40% of the time the last 5 years.  This is the worst offense he's ever played in.  Easy pass.

 

[Maximum Overkill 2,172]

1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

Dak QB finishes the last 5 seasons

31

3

18

7

32

He's going at QB 10 right now.  Hes only beaten that 40% of the time the last 5 years.  This is the worst offense he's ever played in.  Easy pass.

 

Look who's behind him! Ill double stack Dak all day in every format. 

Of course the injuries factor in but he's been solid when healthy. 

[WhiteWonder 2,836]

2 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

I think fields/goff/dak is the QB dead zone.  The way I'm looking at QB is year is either early for Lamar, Allen, daniels or I'm waiting for Caleb/maye/tlaw/love/McCarthy.

Low on Dak, downgraded coach who wants to run, coming off injury, lack of weapons.  I like Caleb in Johnson's offense plus loaded with weapons.

Low on fields, he's not a good QB so you're just hoping he gets rushing yards.  If he's bad it's not out of the question we see tyrod.

 

just a heads up if you have not drafted yet... Caleb and Maye are generally in the same zone as Fields and Dak, especially Caleb. Calebs adp per fantasypros, for example, is ahead of Purdy, Herbert and Fields. 

Of course Fields is being drafted for rushing upside. He was QB7 in ppg while starting last year despite meager passing numbers and has been top 10 every season since his rookie year in games he's started. I absolutely agree there is risk of benching once Tyrod is healthy.  I also have no reason to defend Dak, I'm no Cowpokes fan, but he was the #3 fantasy QB in 2023 with similar or possibly lesser weapons. Tony Pollard kind of busted as the lead back that year and the top WR opposite CeeDee was Gallup. Pickens should be a significant improvement there. 

I think holes can be poked in every QB after the top 6-7 guys and most of them also have upside. 

[WhiteWonder 2,836]

1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

Dak QB finishes the last 5 seasons

31

3

18

7

32

He's going at QB 10 right now.  Hes only beaten that 40% of the time the last 5 years.  This is the worst offense he's ever played in.  Easy pass.

 

Injury history has to be taken into consideration when it's happening frequently but his last 2 fully healthy seasons he was #3 and #7.  He was #18 while missing 4 games. 

He's being drafted as low as 15th off the board.  13th in my draft.

[BiffTannen 1,004]

Nice draft. Did we switch up the divisions on our league?  I love you buddy, but I also want a break from knocking heads all season 

[Maximum Overkill 2,172]

32 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

Injury history has to be taken into consideration when it's happening frequently but his last 2 fully healthy seasons he was #3 and #7.  He was #18 while missing 4 games. 

He's being drafted as low as 15th off the board.  13th in my draft.

Yup. If you go zero QB, which most good fantasy players do then a Dak/Maye, Williams or JJ stack is a thing of Winners. Good floor, great ceiling. 

[Bier Meister 1,736]

i've had 2 dynasty rookie draft.

just started a keeper draft this morning

 

first redraft will be our Greek Balls (6th spot)

then FFPC redraft on 9/6 (6th spot)

[Horseman 2,600]

7 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Yup. If you go zero QB, which most good fantasy players do then a Dak/Maye, Williams or JJ stack is a thing of Winners. Good floor, great ceiling. 

It's pretty clear there is one guy in here that still drafts off of feelings instead of value.  

[Maximum Overkill 2,172]

9 minutes ago, Bier Meister said:

i've had 2 dynasty rookie draft.

just started a keeper draft this morning

 

first redraft will be our Greek Balls (6th spot)

then FFPC redraft on 9/6 (6th spot)

Same. My 2 FFPC Dynasty leagues both drafted right after the NFL draft.