ANOTHER case of ICE not giving due process

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1 minute ago, HellToupee said:

Why did the illegal alien father run away and abandon his 5 yo son? Congrats on pushing the propaganda. Hook , line & sinker

That question doesn’t solve everything. This is the same as how Good’s spouse telling her to drive doesn’t absolve Ross.

But to your point that you made above, you can see there were no protestors. 

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12 minutes ago, Strike said:

You're still pushing this false narrative, eh?  This is exactly what I'm talking about @TimHauck.  Of course the average person just trying to live their life is going to be outraged when they hear that ICE "kidnapped" a 5 year old and shipped him off to Texas.  But that's not, as Paul Harvey would say, THE REST OF THE STORY.

I was just addressing the claim overwhelming manpower & weaponry was needed because of protestors. There were none. Part of the news report I posted further up details how Immigration & Customs Enforcement has on occasion been tracking children coming home from school to catch the parents. 

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1 minute ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I was just addressing the claim overwhelming manpower & weaponry was needed because of protestors. There were none. Part of the news report I posted further up details how Immigration & Customs Enforcement has on occasion been tracking children coming home from some school to catch the parents. 

No, I don't get your point.  I didn't watch your video.  If your point is they used excessive manpower when there aren't any protestors, my response would be - "How would they know what level of vitriol they're going to face?"  Should they show up with two guys who only ask for backup when they're surrounded by 20 Soros funded protestors and not knowing how far those protestors might go?  

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14 minutes ago, Strike said:

And those people would be wrong.  Some intentionally, as activists and the MSM push that narrative.  And some unintentionally because they're fed that narrative and, like most of the libs here, don't realize the BS they're being fed by the MSM.

You believed a 71 year old Jewish grandma was pushing ICE agents, lololol

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1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

You believed a 71 year old Jewish grandma was pushing ICE agents, lololol

And this is why everyone calls you HACK.  

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1 minute ago, Strike said:

No, I don't get your point.  I didn't watch your video.  If your point is they used excessive manpower when there aren't any protestors, my response would be - "How would they know what level of vitriol they're going to face?"  Should they show up with two guys who only ask for backup when they're surrounded by 20 Soros funded protestors and not knowing how far those protestors might go?  

There are a raft of ICE & DHS guidelines & they’re certainly scaleable. This was an employed man with an active asylum application who had been in compliance. There are a load of ways they could have arranged this man’s cooperation and they certainly could have found a way to detain him without his 5 year old in the car.

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“Bait”

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Just now, SaintsInDome2006 said:

There are a raft of ICE & DHS guidelines & they’re certainly scaleable. This was an employed man with an active asylum application who had been in compliance. There are a load of ways they could have arranged this man’s cooperation and they certainly could have found a way to detain him without his 5 year old in the car.

There you go moving the goalposts again. We weren't talking about this man's specific situation.  They chose to detain him.  Once they made that decision they had to decide what level of manpower to use for that.  They're going to err n the side of excessive manpower in the current climate, especially in places like Minnesota.  Quit constantly moving the goalposts.  I know that's a prominent symptom of TDS.  I hope they develop a cure soon.  

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1 minute ago, Strike said:

There you go moving the goalposts again. We weren't talking about this man's specific situation.  They chose to detain him.  Once they made that decision they had to decide what level of manpower to use for that.  They're going to err n the side of excessive manpower in the current climate, especially in places like Minnesota.  Quit constantly moving the goalposts.  I know that's a prominent symptom of TDS.  I hope they develop a cure soon.  

Hold on, you asked about what sort of situation the agents were going into.

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10 minutes ago, Strike said:

And this is why everyone calls you HACK.  

It’s ok, you can admit you got duped by a lie from DHS

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2 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Hold on, you asked about what sort of situation the agents were going into.

I said "how would they know what level of vitriol they were going to face?"  In response to your post of

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I was just addressing the claim overwhelming manpower & weaponry was needed because of protestors. There were none

I was addressing the notion that there were no protestors so they didn't need overwhelming manpower.  That's it.  Very narrow topic.  

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3 minutes ago, Strike said:

I said "how would they know what level of vitriol they were going to face?"  In response to your post of

I was addressing the notion that there were no protestors so they didn't need overwhelming manpower.  That's it.  Very narrow topic.  

I agree. Hence I brought up the situation they were going into.

I think it should be laid out this was a targeted arrest. A lot of the controversy we’ve been seeing has dealt with sweeps, door to door inspections, car & pedestrian stops, searches, demanding of papers.

My understanding is in this situation they knew who they were going after & tracked the child being picked up from school. So they knew who the detainee was & that his child would be with him.

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Just now, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I agree. Hence I brought up the situation they were going into.

I think it should be laid out this was a targeted arrest. A lot of the controversy we’ve been seeing has dealt with sweeps, door to door inspections, car & pedestrian stops, searches, demanding of papers.

My understanding is in this situation they knew who they were going after & tracked the child being picked up from school. So they knew who the detainee was & that his child would be with him.

Again, I don't care about this.  I care about the safety of the people going to detain him.  THAT'S IT.  If you can't see that too bad.  TDS can be blinding.

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10 minutes ago, Strike said:

Again, I don't care about this.  I care about the safety of the people going to detain him.  THAT'S IT.  If you can't see that too bad.  TDS can be blinding.

Strike, we’ve obviously talked at each other for a very long time, I don’t think I’ve ever insulted you. I don’t understand the point of it. You made your claim simply enough without claiming I’m deranged, that is even though I’ve taken the time to post text from an investigatory report & a video of the incident you’re suggesting I’m disconnected from reality. However you’ve volunteered you won’t even look at the video & I’m guessing you haven’t seen the article either. Seriously no hard feelings. Cheers. Thanks for the discussion. 

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4 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

@jerryskids says I'm a TDS "tard" for thinking that this could happen.

Why are you wasting my time @-ing me on this same old tripe. There is nothing new here that we haven't discussed. More "coulds," more:

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The SSA responded to Borges claims after they came out, saying it takes whistleblower complaints seriously but seemed to downplay Borges' accusations.

“SSA stores all personal data in secure environments that have robust safeguards in place to protect vital information. The data referenced in the complaint is stored in a long-standing environment used by SSA and walled off from the internet. High-level career SSA officials have administrative access to this system with oversight by SSA’s Information Security team. We are not aware of any compromise to this environment and remain dedicated to protecting sensitive personal data,” the agency wrote.

Don't be TimHauck with the @s

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14 minutes ago, Strike said:

I said "how would they know what level of vitriol they were going to face?"  In response to your post of

I was addressing the notion that there were no protestors so they didn't need overwhelming manpower.  That's it.  Very narrow topic.  

Hold on.  Earlier you said they needed more manpower because of a “lack of civility.”  Are you suggesting that the mere presence of some protesters = a “lack of civility”?

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1 minute ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Strike, we’ve obviously talked at each other for a very long time, I don’t think I’ve ever insulted you. I don’t understand the point of it. You made your claim simply enough without claiming I’m deranged, that is even though I’ve taken the time to post text from an investigatory report & a video of the incident you’re suggesting I’m disconnected from reality. However you’ve volunteered you won’t even look at the article. Seriously no hard feelings. Cheers. Thanks for the discussion. 

I feel it's a waste of time when I address one point and you come back with another.  I don't mind moving on to another point but only when the first one is complete with either an agreement on it or an agreement to disagree.  But you constantly move the goalposts.  IMO it's because you don't want to address the original point.  It may not be but for whatever reason you do it.  I won't have discussions that way.  The point of a discussion is to see if we can reach consensus or, if not, at least come to the impasse and say it's ok to not agree.  If you're going to constantly move the goalposts we're going to butt heads and I'm not going to be so nice or I'm just not going to engage with you.  I hope that clears up why I interact with you the way I do sometimes.  You USED to be someone I could have worthy discussions with but that seems to be from a long time ago in a distant galaxy far far away on another bored.  And I find that to be sad.

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3 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Hold on.  Earlier you said they needed more manpower because of a “lack of civility.”  Are you suggesting that the mere presence of some protesters = a “lack of civility”?

When they encounter a lack of civility they don't know whether that will simply be actual peaceful protestors or ones with more violent ends.  They also don't know if those "peaceful" protestors might become more violent absent a stronger show of force.  So they err on the side of caution and safety.  Is this really a difficult concept for you to understand?  Why do you want to see our brave law enforcement officers hurt or worse?

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1 minute ago, Strike said:

I feel it's a waste of time when I address one point and you come back with another.  I don't mind moving on to another point but only when the first one is complete with either an agreement on it or an agreement to disagree.  But you constantly move the goalposts.  IMO it's because you don't want to address the original point.  It may not be but for whatever reason you do it.  I won't have discussions that way.  The point of a discussion is to see if we can reach consensus or, if not, at least come to the impasse and say it's ok to not agree.  If you're going to constantly move the goalposts we're going to butt heads and I'm not going to be so nice or I'm just not going to engage with you.  I hope that clears up why I interact with you the way I do sometimes.  You USED to be someone I could have worthy discussions with but that seems to be from a long time ago in a distant galaxy far far away on another bored.  And I find that to be sad.

But you don’t need to call people deranged. And you don’t need to insult anyone. I’m sorry as well we have this disconnect. Have a great weekend.

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1 minute ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

But you don’t need to call people deranged. And you don’t need to insult anyone. I’m sorry as well we have this disconnect. Have a great weekend.

Who did I call deranged?  Are you making things up now?

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10 minutes ago, Strike said:

I feel it's a waste of time when I address one point and you come back with another.  I don't mind moving on to another point but only when the first one is complete with either an agreement on it or an agreement to disagree.  But you constantly move the goalposts.  IMO it's because you don't want to address the original point.  

You whining about “not wanting to address the original point” is rich, LMAO

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7 minutes ago, Strike said:

Who did I call deranged?  Are you making things up now?

RealTim.  Well, his mind at least

On 2/20/2025 at 2:33 PM, Strike said:

Your history shows it to be true.   You're the narcissist with the deranged mind, not me.

 

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6 minutes ago, Strike said:

Who did I call deranged?  Are you making things up now?

The “D” in “TDS” means derangement. That’s what it means. People with different values are not deranged. To me liberty & individual rights are paramount over authority.

I’ve previously defended LE & FBI when they use overwhelming force on white collar criminals. Roger Stone is a good example of that. So I know where you’re coming from, it’s a simple point. 

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This administration has encouraged a lack of civility — it’s what they want. When you deploy the Guard to US cities and encourage them to use “maximum force,” announce your supposed law enforcement operation with trolling tweets, and claim ICE has blanket immunity, you’re going to get a reaction.

They created this situation and now they own it. 

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4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

RealTim.  Well, his mind at least

 

You're bringing up a year old post to address a point being made today but a DIFFERENT user?  Dude, you're obsessed.  It's not healthy.

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4 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

The “D” in “TDS” means derangement. That’s what it means. People with different values are not deranged. To me liberty & individual rights are paramount over authority.

I’ve previously defended LE & FBI when they use overwhelming force on white collar criminals. Roger Stone is a good example of that. So I know where you’re coming from, it’s a simple point. 

Well, when I use TDS I'm not referring to the literal words those letters represent.  I'm using it to describe anyone so obsessed with their hatred for Trump that it blinds them to rational discussion.  So please keep that in mind when you see me use it, especially for you.  I think it's an accurate depiction of certain people's mental state when it comes to Trump and/or politics involving him.

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15 minutes ago, Strike said:

Well, when I use TDS I'm not referring to the literal words those letters represent.  I'm using it to describe anyone so obsessed with their hatred for Trump that it blinds them to rational discussion.  So please keep that in mind when you see me use it, especially for you.  I think it's an accurate depiction of certain people's mental state when it comes to Trump and/or politics involving him.

When I use a word I’m not referring to that actual word.  Lol.

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Just now, TimHauck said:

When I use a word I’m not referring to that actual word.  Lol.

TDS isn't a word.  HTH.

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15 minutes ago, Strike said:

Well, when I use TDS I'm not referring to the literal words those letters represent.  I'm using it to describe anyone so obsessed with their hatred for Trump that it blinds them to rational discussion.  So please keep that in mind when you see me use it, especially for you.  I think it's an accurate depiction of certain people's mental state when it comes to Trump and/or politics involving him.

And why do you think I’m irrational here? You think that overwhelming force in an immigration detention regardless of circumstances is the correct course. I understand that point. - I just have a different set of values, do you see that?

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1 minute ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

And why do you think I’m irrational here? You think that overwhelming force in an immigration detention regardless of circumstances is the correct course. I understand that point. - I just have a different set of values, do you see that?

I thought we were done here.  I know I am.  Enjoy your weekend.  Go Broncos!!!!

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Another no-warrant raid. The affected family was able to get a hearing after being detained, and a judge ordered them released.

https://www.fox9.com/news/judge-orders-ice-produce-warrant-release-venezuelan-family-detained-st-paul-jan-2026

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Video captured ICE officers armed with assault rifles pushing through the private home on Nevada Avenue in St. Paul last Thursday, Jan. 15.

A neighbor told FOX 9 that family members told the agents had a warrant for the raid but never presented the documentation.

In response to the habeas filing, U.S. District Court Judge John Tunheim issued an order directing DHS to respond and produce a judicial warrant by 5 p.m. on Monday.

The court said that in the absence of a warrant, their release would be granted.

Once the deadline passed, Tunheim ruled that DHS and its attorneys failed to respond, and the court granted the habeas corpus petition. He gave the department 72 hours to release all six of the detainees, who are believed to have been transferred out of Minnesota following their arrest.

Over 90% of those detained, who were able to get their cases heard, were released.

https://www.fox9.com/news/ice-detainees-more-habeas-petitions-than-all-2025-jan-21

I’m gonna say this again for the people who had their fingers in their ears. This is NOT about catching criminals.

 

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1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

RealTim.  Well, his mind at least

 

 

44 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

When I use a word I’m not referring to that actual word.  Lol.

Strike doesn't need my help, but you look silly in this discussion.

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Eyewitness account of how ICE is operating in Texas courts.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DTyh-5NjfAM/

Detaining people who are legally here applying for asylum and regularly appearing at their court dates is indefensible.

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1 hour ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

But you don’t need to call people deranged. And you don’t need to insult anyone. I’m sorry as well we have this disconnect. Have a great weekend.

Maybe you should stop posting every bit of obvious BS that ends up on twitter? How about a little discretion or maybe waiting to see what’s true? You can’t it seems.  Because of your Trump derangement syndrome. 

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4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Maybe you should stop posting every bit of obvious BS that ends up on twitter? How about a little discretion or maybe waiting to see what’s true? You can’t it seems.  Because of your Trump derangement syndrome. 

“Derangement” I’m fascinated by this. I post the articles & videos for that reason. The reason why this administration insists its followers use this term is to shut down discussion. The point is to react emotionally & in a fact feee manner.