US Federal Government Shutdown Thread

[The Real timschochet 7,440]

2 hours ago, BrahmaBulls said:

Like Obama did?

You have a very poor memory if you believe that ACA wasn’t a major compromise from what Obama originally wanted. 

[squistion 2,527]

39 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

How the America First cheerleaders are letting this slide - giving Argentina 40 billion to set on fire while the government is suing itself to not give out food stamps and canceling flights all over the place among all the other shet - is wild to me.

Where are you people at?

There is this strange disconnect in their logic and thinking.

If the money was there for Argentina, it should be there for Americans so they don't go hungry.

Haven't we always heard from the MAGA crowd about giving money to Ukraine, that instead it should be spent on  folks in this country who need it?

[thegeneral 3,594]

7 minutes ago, squistion said:

There is this strange disconnect in their logic and thinking.

If the money was there for Argentina, it should be there for Americans so they don't go hungry.

Haven't we always heard from the MAGA crowd about giving money to Ukraine, that instead it should be spent for for folks in this country who need it?

It’s so obvious I don’t believe the deal that Schumer offered is this straight forward. If it is and the GOP hasn’t agreed it’s insanely stupid. This would and should get them crushed next year.

Trump golfing and falling asleep in press conferences, the leader in The House’s go to response is “I haven’t heard anything about that” to any hard question. 

The ads will write themselves.

[squistion 2,527]

1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

It’s so obvious I don’t believe the deal that Schumer offered is this straight forward. If it is and the GOP hasn’t agreed it’s insanely stupid. This would and should get them crushed next year.

Trump golfing and falling asleep in press conferences, the leader in The House’s go to response is “I haven’t heard anything about that” to any hard question. 

The ads will write themselves.

And the photo, where he is standing indifferently and staring off in space, while someone with a medical emergency is being attended to, should figure prominently in many of those ads. 

For those that may have missed it.

 

[jonnyutah 541]

12 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

 

Poor tim. His reputation has been destroyed. Went from people thinking he was just a welcher to realizing the guy loves 13 year old girls and cant tell the truth about anything. Even his religion 

[Grace Under Pressure 166]

It’s pretty clear MAGA has zero clue what they’re talking about. 

“We’re winning liberalz!!” is the extent of their knowledge. Country be damned.

It’s gotta hurt being so stupid. 

[jerryskids 7,080]

53 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Less, about 30 billion.  Instead of giving money to Argentina, we could give people a year of health insurance and still have 10B leftover.

 

41 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

How the America First cheerleaders are letting this slide - giving Argentina 40 billion to set on fire while the government is suing itself to not give out food stamps and canceling flights all over the place among all the other shet - is wild to me.

Where are you people at?

Muh Argentina!  You guys are such sheep for your party lines, but you'll never admit it.  

I'd point out that your MSM masters don't like Argentina because it is an example of conservatism and libertarianism being more successful than socialism, and that's why they rev you up about it, but you'd just say "but muh Argentina money!   "   

14 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Again it’s not idiotic. A year, rather than permanent, is a major concession, an attempt at real compromise. Now you’re demanding that the Democrats compromise further while the Republicans do nothing. That’s not the way negotiations work. 

And that’s the whole point. From the start the Republicans have refused to negotiate about any of this. 

It is NOT a real concession to offer to get something you want (ACA subsidies) and propose the Reps give up something they want (Argentina support, which is strategically important).  That's not how negotiations work.

How about the Dems offer to carve out $30B of their progressive boondoggles?  LGBTQ+ studies in the Middle East?  THAT would be the beginning of a negotiation.

[jonnyutah 541]

47 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

How the America First cheerleaders are letting this slide - giving Argentina 40 billion to set on fire while the government is suing itself to not give out food stamps and canceling flights all over the place among all the other shet - is wild to me.

Where are you people at?

What if we profit off of the currency swap arrangement?

[The Real timschochet 7,440]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

 

Muh Argentina!  You guys are such sheep for your party lines, but you'll never admit it.  

I'd point out that your MSM masters don't like Argentina because it is an example of conservatism and libertarianism being more successful than socialism, and that's why they rev you up about it, but you'd just say "but muh Argentina money!   "   

It is NOT a real concession to offer to get something you want (ACA subsidies) and propose the Reps give up something they want (Argentina support, which is strategically important).  That's not how negotiations work.

How about the Dems offer to carve out $30B of their progressive boondoggles?  LGBTQ+ studies in the Middle East?  THAT would be the beginning of a negotiation.

Umm I think you’re confused here. Giving up the aid to Argentina is not part of any negotiations. It’s used as a rhetorical argument, nothing more. 

[thegeneral 3,594]

4 minutes ago, jonnyutah said:

What if we profit off of the currency swap arrangement?

I believe in fairy tales too!

[thegeneral 3,594]

5 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

 

Muh Argentina!  You guys are such sheep for your party lines, but you'll never admit it.  

I'd point out that your MSM masters don't like Argentina because it is an example of conservatism and libertarianism being more successful than socialism, and that's why they rev you up about it, but you'd just say "but muh Argentina money!   "   

It is NOT a real concession to offer to get something you want (ACA subsidies) and propose the Reps give up something they want (Argentina support, which is strategically important).  That's not how negotiations work.

How about the Dems offer to carve out $30B of their progressive boondoggles?  LGBTQ+ studies in the Middle East?  THAT would be the beginning of a negotiation.

You didn’t answer if this deal to open the gov back up is now over one year 30 billion to help subsidize health care.

[MDC 7,881]

Mileli’s policies have been so successful his approval rating is like 30 points underwater in Argentina and he’s asking for a $40b foreign bailout less than 2 years into his term.

 

[The Real timschochet 7,440]

9 minutes ago, MDC said:

Mileli’s policies have been so successful his approval rating is like 30 points underwater in Argentina and he’s asking for a $40b foreign bailout less than 2 years into his term.

 

This is a whole other topic but it’s because libertarian ideas, while great in principle, are extremely difficult to impose on a welfare state. Rolling back regulations is one thing, and often a good idea; simply cutting government spending and letting the chips fall where they may is another, and can lead to major chaos. Mileli seems well-intentioned to me (not corrupt like Trump so far as I know) but he has done far too much of the latter and as a result Argentina is struggling big time. 
 

Personally I have no objection to helping them out; I agree with @jerryskids that it’s probably in our strategic interests. But it’s also important to point out the irony here of this being championed by the whole “America First” crowd. “America First” has always been a horrible credo anyhow with isolationist, xenophobic, and racist overtones. 

[thegeneral 3,594]

16 minutes ago, MDC said:

Mileli’s policies have been so successful his approval rating is like 30 points underwater in Argentina and he’s asking for a $40b foreign bailout less than 2 years into his term.

 

Give the country who has default multiple times this century 40B. The weirdo Prez was nice to Trump that one time.

Fine whatever. Don’t reopen the government however, cancel flights, stop benefits for our poorest and it’s crickets.

[MDC 7,881]

8 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

This is a whole other topic but it’s because libertarian ideas, while great in principle, are extremely difficult to impose on a welfare state. Rolling back regulations is one thing, and often a good idea; simply cutting government spending and letting the chips fall where they may is another, and can lead to major chaos. Mileli seems well-intentioned to me (not corrupt like Trump so far as I know) but he has done far too much of the latter and as a result Argentina is struggling big time. 
 

Personally I have no objection to helping them out; I agree with @jerryskids that it’s probably in our strategic interests. But it’s also important to point out the irony here of this being championed by the whole “America First” crowd. “America First” has always been a horrible credo anyhow with isolationist, xenophobic, and racist overtones. 

Almost anything could be in our “strategic interest” if you squint. Everyone knows we’re bailing Argentina out because Mileli is a conservative darling and Trump likes him.

I have no problem with America First if the POTUS actually meant it. 

[thegeneral 3,594]

11 minutes ago, MDC said:

Almost anything could be in our “strategic interest” if you squint. Everyone knows we’re bailing Argentina out because Mileli is a conservative darling and Trump likes him.

I have no problem with America First if the POTUS actually meant it. 

Everyone’s spending is important to them.

That the money woundn’t get spent to reopen are dysfunctional government is a bold strategy.

[MDC 7,881]

11 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Give the country who has default multiple times this century 40B. The weirdo Prez was nice to Trump that one time.

Fine whatever. Don’t reopen the government however, cancel flights, stop benefits for our poorest and it’s crickets.

That’s just how Don does business.  

He pardoned a guy who went to jail for laundering money for Al Qaida, ISIS, and Palestinian Islamic Jihad, along with child pornographers. 

But let’s get upset about college kids saying “From the River to the Sea” … REEEeeee!!!  

[thegeneral 3,594]

2 minutes ago, MDC said:

That’s just how Don does business.  

He pardoned a guy who went to jail for laundering money for Al Qaida, ISIS, and Palestinian Islamic Jihad, along with child pornographers. 

But let’s get upset about college kids saying “From the River to the Sea” … REEEeeee!!!  

The guy also pushed his family’s scam coin to generate billions for his family,..but he doesn’t know him or anything about it!  

[Ron_Artest 2,213]

49 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

 

Muh Argentina!  You guys are such sheep for your party lines, but you'll never admit it.  

I'd point out that your MSM masters don't like Argentina because it is an example of conservatism and libertarianism being more successful than socialism, and that's why they rev you up about it, but you'd just say "but muh Argentina money!   "   

It is NOT a real concession to offer to get something you want (ACA subsidies) and propose the Reps give up something they want (Argentina support, which is strategically important).  That's not how negotiations work.

How about the Dems offer to carve out $30B of their progressive boondoggles?  LGBTQ+ studies in the Middle East?  THAT would be the beginning of a negotiation.

So you're ok giving money to Argentina instead of allowing poor Americans to eat?

[jerryskids 7,080]

I see our board Lefties have offered up a bevy of things the Dems could offer up to pay for more ACA entitlements.  Like...

... who am I kidding, muh Argentina!

[jerryskids 7,080]

Just now, Ron_Artest said:

So you're ok giving money to Argentina instead of allowing poor Americans to eat?

This false dichotomy is stupid even for you.  

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5 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

You're suggesting taking away health insurance from 44M people?

No.  I'm suggesting getting rid of the ACA.  Are you suggesting no one had health insurance before Obama let the health care industry write the Obamacare bill?

[thegeneral 3,594]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

I see our board Lefties have offered up a bevy of things the Dems could offer up to pay for more ACA entitlements.  Like...

... who am I kidding, muh Argentina!

How about we shave off some of the trillions in tariffs to cover this?

[Strike 6,015]

2 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

We're talking about ACA subsidies, dumb ass.

No we're not.  No one has removed the ACA subsidies.  Those were codified in to the ACA way back when.   We're talking about ADDITIONAL subsidies that were passed TEMPORARILY due to COVID.    COVID is over.

[MDC 7,881]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

This false dichotomy is stupid even for you.  

I agree. Trump giving $40b to his foreign buddy is Exhibit 5,347 of his gross hypocrisy but it doesn’t have much to do with the shutdown. 

[Ron_Artest 2,213]

2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

This false dichotomy is stupid even for you.  

Your refusal to answer the question shows your commitment to trump.  Impressive.

[thegeneral 3,594]

Didn’t DOGE save trillions as well by firing secretary’s and the like? How’s about putting some of that into food stamps and getting planes flying before the holidays? 

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2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Didn’t DOGE save trillions as well by firing secretary’s and the like? How’s about putting some of that into food stamps and getting planes flying before the holidays? 

Because even with any savings DOGE made, we're still in a huge hole.  The purpose of DOGE wasn't to find money to give to subsidies that were passed as a TEMPORARY measure during COVID.  Covid is over.

[The Real timschochet 7,440]

4 minutes ago, Strike said:

No we're not.  No one has removed the ACA subsidies.  Those were codified in to the ACA way back when.   We're talking about ADDITIONAL subsidies that were passed TEMPORARILY due to COVID.    COVID is over.

You keep repeating this but the additional subsidies are still necessary. Removing them makes healthcare insurance too expensive for millions of Americans. Even the Republican leadership acknowledges that. 

[MDC 7,881]

My prediction on how this ends:

Dems will cave because Trump simply doesn’t GAF if the government ever reopens. Probably before Thanksgiving, certainly before XMas.

Healthcare premiums are set to explode next year. Dems will put that squarely on Trump / the GOP going into the midterms.

HTH

[thegeneral 3,594]

Just now, Strike said:

Because even with any savings DOGE made, we're still in a huge hole.  The purpose of DOGE wasn't to find money to give to subsidies that were passed as a TEMPORARY measure during COVID.  Covid is over.

I guess we’ll either have prices go way up then for people’s monthly nut or the government stays shutdown.

I’d say good luck to politicians up for re-election explaining this is over 30 billion for those results. I think I’d see what side more folks would side with. 

[Strike 6,015]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

You keep repeating this but the additional subsidies are still necessary. Removing them makes healthcare insurance too expensive for millions of Americans. Even the Republican leadership acknowledges that. 

 

Whatever Tim.  Health insurance wouldn't be so expensive if the ACA had actually addressed costs.  But it didn't.  Health insurance wouldn't be so expensive if we didn't have to pay for health care for illegals.  But because of people like you, we do.  The list goes on and on.  It's not the government's job to pay for people's health insurance.  I'm sorry if some people struggle to afford it but that's on them, not me or the government.  We're like 30+ trillion in DEBT.  That should be our focus.  

[The Real timschochet 7,440]

1 minute ago, MDC said:

My prediction on how this ends:

Dems will cave because Trump simply doesn’t GAF if the government ever reopens. Probably before Thanksgiving, certainly before XMas.

Healthcare premiums are set to explode next year. Dems will put that squarely on Trump / the GOP going into the midterms.

HTH

This is pretty much what I predicted over a month ago. However, I have to admit that Democrats are holding firm. They’ve impressed me. 
And while Trump doesn’t GAF Republicans do. So let’s see if they can stay unified. 

[BrahmaBulls 930]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

You have a very poor memory if you believe that ACA wasn’t a major compromise from what Obama originally wanted. 

I remember his comments of we are doing this with or without you and his BS if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor.  

[jerryskids 7,080]

22 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Your refusal to answer the question shows your commitment to trump.  Impressive.

Maybe you should read my comments before spouting off.  I doubt it though, because you responded directly to some of them with "but muh Argentina!   "

[The Real timschochet 7,440]

Trump doesn’t have time to worry about the shutdown, he has other priorities: 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/46892115/trump-wants-commanders-stadium-named-him

He is demanding that the new Washington Commanders stadium has his name on it. 

[thegeneral 3,594]

16 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Trump doesn’t have time to worry about the shutdown, he has other priorities: 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/46892115/trump-wants-commanders-stadium-named-him

He is demanding that the new Washington Commanders stadium has his name on it. 

Well he also golfed today and tweeted about Democrats.

[thegeneral 3,594]

Flying today. Flights delayed 4.5 hours and counting. Nice work, Prez! Neat leadership.