US Federal Government Shutdown Thread

[The Real timschochet 7,399]

13 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

This deserves a better explanation. Allow me to rant for a bit and unpack it all. As a country we've come a long way from our more pedestrian back-and-forth debates or foreign policy, tax and social net and deficits, corporate/labor issues, energy/environmental, and abortion policy, When one party overstepped or overreached or did something that failed, you could rein them in by voting for the other party because the other party wasn't seen as an existential threat to the republic. I'd voted Gore, Kerry, Obama twice, and the 2016 election was a coinflip between Trump and Hillary, as I'd not known Trump would turn out so awesome at the time. I'd appreciated his policies more than hers but I didn't know if hew was genuine or not. He seemed like a pretentious New York jack@ss celebrity and his birtherism was ridiculous. In the end I'd sent in a 2016 absentee ballot for Hillary the day after his "grab 'em by the pu$$y" remarks went viral to make sure it arrived in time but by the day of the election, I'd changed my mind, I would have voted Trump.

Now with his second term, the cornucopia of wonderful just overflows while the Democrats have wandered off into that existential threat as servants of Mordor.

But the Democrats today are an existential threat. Let me go into some more depth.

• More specifically the biggest enemy are the ones who tear down statues of Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, Roosevelt and make the effort to replace Columbus Day with Indigenous People's Day. Wanting an Indigenous People's Day is fine and I would myself embrace it however insisting to put it on Columbus Day is an affront to Western Civilization.
• You have the race hustlers that seek to enflame everyone along racial lines and the entire DEI structure. There was never a problem before George Floyd, "All Lives Matter" was taken an affront, Massive racial discrimination in school enrollment and hiring practices at leftoid companies which had to be dragged to colorblindness kicking and screaming, are just given a paint job, renamed and waiting to return with a new administration.
• Then there are the pro-Hamas demonstrators. Being concerned about the plight of Palestinian civilians is not the issue. Wanting to globalize the Intifada and chanting "From the River to the Sea" is. I happen to notice that none of these protestors give a fock about Palestinian civilians when, after the peace deal went into effect, Hamas started executing Palestinians in the street again. Also, noticeably, these same people couldn't care less about the real and far more horrific genocides against Christians going on in Congo and Nigeria. 
• The whole trans- nightmare from mutilating the bodies of children to drag queen story hour to men in women's sports and women's spaces to the whacky fetish acts displays and nudity at gay pride parades as well as Biden's Rose Garden and Congressional Hearing Rooms. The gender ideology presented to children via decision by Disney, other media companies, and woke schools to include LGBTQ content in what should be G-rated children's TV shows and elementary school libraries.
• The Biden pressure on Big Tech to engage in mass censorship of voices they'd wish silenced. Fortunately, this one seems to have been solved completely.
• The soft on crime approach that results in repeat offenders going free over and over again to prey on victims.  Democrats want Jordan Neely to walk free while putting guys like Daniel Penny in prison. WTF is wrong with you people?
• Not only the lack of cooperation to deport criminal illegal aliens but the active obstruction of ICE officers from doing their jobs including the harassment of officers at home and doxxing them. Committing every effort possible to gum up and slow down the works of the 
• The frivolous lawsuits and now the willingness of lower courts to overstep the executive, totally ignore both the law and Supreme Court rulings 
• The shift from softening the blunt edges of capitalism into embracing socialism and Marxism.

 

There might be more.  I think ten dots would have been better than nine.  The Democrats/media attempt to save democracy by lying about Biden's mental health, rigged their nomination twice for him, then got stuck with their unpopular DEI vice president as a candidate but I never minded since I enjoyed the show watching how that process was working out for them, let alone the end result. So no tenth dot there.

Thanks for your explanation but I pretty much firmly disagree with each of your 9 points: 

1. Here you’re conflating Democrats with extreme leftists. I agree somewhat about the statues but not about your overall sentiment. The overreaction to this from the right (for example the attempt to remove topics about slavery and Jim Crow from history textbooks and the Smithsonian) is IMO even worse than what the left has tried to do. 

2. Of course there was a problem before George Floyd; his death was only the latest example of institutional racism by the police in this country. Sure there are a few race hustlers out there but they wouldn’t be effective unless the problem was real in the first place. 

3. There is a big difference between being pro-Hamas and being critical of many of Israel’s actions. The vast majority of protestors in this country have the latter and not the former, no matter what they were chanting. And the reason it gets so much more attention than Nigeria is because Israel is a western nation, held rightfully to a higher standard, and America gives them aid. 

4. You already know my views on trans; it’s diametrically opposed to yours, except on the question of women’s sports. There we probably agree though I don’t see it as a pressing issue. As for the rest of it just leave them alone to be who they are. 

5. This didn’t happen. It is, however, happening now. 

6. Liberals  are not soft on crime. But we recognize that this is a complicated issue and at times we seek more nuanced solutions because the simple ones that conservatives favor often lead to racism and unfair results. 

7. There is no issue listed that I disagree with you more than this one. Under Trump ICE is behaving like Gestapo thugs. The overall policy of mass deportation is immoral, anti-American, doomed to fail, and generally bad for us. 

8. The reason there are so many lawsuits and judicial decisions that at this time is because the Trump administration keeps breaking the law. 

9. Your last point has been a common complaint against liberalism since FDR and the New Deal. Yet capitalism survives and thrives. 
 

These are of course only my opinions. Perhaps the most significant difference between us is that I don’t regard you as evil. Just wrong. 

[jonmx 2,460]

4 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

 

5. This didn’t happen. It is, however, happening now. 

 

You are an effing moron if you really believe there was not mass censorship during the Biden years.   The Twitter files exposed a huge network of government employees scouring social networks/big tech telling the to ban posters and remove posts.  I personally had hundreds of posts removed/hidden during those years.  

[jerryskids 7,066]

8 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

Jake tapper is on CNN not MSNBC.

YOU brought up how the public opinion has changed, but I proved you wrong.

I've told you multiple times, Republicans control the white house and Congress.  The Republicans have total control of government.  If it's shutdown, it's their fault.  It is very simple.

I said MSDNC, not MSNBC

[dogcows 1,058]

16 hours ago, Strike said:

That's the whole point of the CR.  To give everyone time to negotiate.  Your side refuses to pass it.  That's why it's their fault the gov't is shut down.  This isn't complicated.

They could have been negotiating since they passed it in mid-September. Instead they left town, and when Democrats went to negotiate.. Trump blew it off and posted some stupid meme with a sombrero.

Also, I don’t know if you’ve ever negotiated before… so here’s a tip. Don’t give the other side everything they want in exchange for nothing except vague future promises. Which is what you’re asking the Democrats to do.

[dogcows 1,058]

52 minutes ago, jonmx said:

You are an effing moron if you really believe there was not mass censorship during the Biden years.   The Twitter files exposed a huge network of government employees scouring social networks/big tech telling the to ban posters and remove posts.  I personally had hundreds of posts removed/hidden during those years.  

LOL the Twitter files. There truly is no bottom to the depths of human stupidity.

[dogcows 1,058]

5 hours ago, Voltaire said:

This deserves a better explanation. Allow me to rant for a bit and unpack it all. As a country we've come a long way from our more pedestrian back-and-forth debates or foreign policy, tax and social net and deficits, corporate/labor issues, energy/environmental, and abortion policy, When one party overstepped or overreached or did something that failed, you could rein them in by voting for the other party because the other party wasn't seen as an existential threat to the republic. I'd voted Gore, Kerry, Obama twice, and the 2016 election was a coinflip between Trump and Hillary, as I'd not known Trump would turn out so awesome at the time. I'd appreciated his policies more than hers but I didn't know if hew was genuine or not. He seemed like a pretentious New York jack@ss celebrity and his birtherism was ridiculous. In the end I'd sent in a 2016 absentee ballot for Hillary the day after his "grab 'em by the pu$$y" remarks went viral to make sure it arrived in time but by the day of the election, I'd changed my mind, I would have voted Trump.

Now with his second term, the cornucopia of wonderful just overflows while the Democrats have wandered off into that existential threat as servants of Mordor.

But the Democrats today are an existential threat. Let me go into some more depth.

• More specifically the biggest enemy are the ones who tear down statues of Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, Roosevelt and make the effort to replace Columbus Day with Indigenous People's Day. Wanting an Indigenous People's Day is fine and I would myself embrace it however insisting to put it on Columbus Day is an affront to Western Civilization.
• You have the race hustlers that seek to enflame everyone along racial lines and the entire DEI structure. There was never a problem before George Floyd, "All Lives Matter" was taken an affront, Massive racial discrimination in school enrollment and hiring practices at leftoid companies which had to be dragged to colorblindness kicking and screaming, are just given a paint job, renamed and waiting to return with a new administration.
• Then there are the pro-Hamas demonstrators. Being concerned about the plight of Palestinian civilians is not the issue. Wanting to globalize the Intifada and chanting "From the River to the Sea" is. I happen to notice that none of these protestors give a fock about Palestinian civilians when, after the peace deal went into effect, Hamas started executing Palestinians in the street again. Also, noticeably, these same people couldn't care less about the real and far more horrific genocides against Christians going on in Congo and Nigeria. 
• The whole trans- nightmare from mutilating the bodies of children to drag queen story hour to men in women's sports and women's spaces to the whacky fetish acts displays and nudity at gay pride parades as well as Biden's Rose Garden and Congressional Hearing Rooms. The gender ideology presented to children via decision by Disney, other media companies, and woke schools to include LGBTQ content in what should be G-rated children's TV shows and elementary school libraries.
• The Biden pressure on Big Tech to engage in mass censorship of voices they'd wish silenced. Fortunately, this one seems to have been solved completely.
• The soft on crime approach that results in repeat offenders going free over and over again to prey on victims.  Democrats want Jordan Neely to walk free while putting guys like Daniel Penny in prison. WTF is wrong with you people?
• Not only the lack of cooperation to deport criminal illegal aliens but the active obstruction of ICE officers from doing their jobs including the harassment of officers at home and doxxing them. Committing every effort possible to gum up and slow down the works of the 
• The frivolous lawsuits and now the willingness of lower courts to overstep the executive, totally ignore both the law and Supreme Court rulings 
• The shift from softening the blunt edges of capitalism into embracing socialism and Marxism.

 

There might be more.  I think ten dots would have been better than nine.  The Democrats/media attempt to save democracy by lying about Biden's mental health, rigged their nomination twice for him, then got stuck with their unpopular DEI vice president as a candidate but I never minded since I enjoyed the show watching how that process was working out for them, let alone the end result. So no tenth dot there.

Half of this list is literally false. The other half is culture war BS that has no effect on your life. You care more about transgender people, statues, and DEI than about basic like the economy.

Textbook example of how the GOP uses fake news and bigoted rage bait  to get people mad at their fellow Americans instead of at the billionaires picking their pockets daily.

[Grace Under Pressure 160]

5 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Textbook example of how the GOP uses fake news and bigoted rage bait  to get people mad at their fellow Americans instead of at the billionaires picking their pockets daily.

Exactly. Wake up MAGA. You’ve been duped. The Mar-a-lago crowd laughs all the way to the bank while you repeat their culture war nonsense talking points. 

That “list” is straight up Fox News propaganda.

The Twitter files? Good lord lol. 

[SaintsInDome2006 633]

6 hours ago, Voltaire said:

But the Democrats today are an existential threat.

If you really believe this, then anything is permissible on the part of Trump, is that fair?

[SaintsInDome2006 633]

6 hours ago, Voltaire said:

et me go into some more depth.

• More specifically the biggest enemy are the ones who tear down statues of Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, Roosevelt and make the effort to replace Columbus Day with Indigenous People's Day. Wanting an Indigenous People's Day is fine and I would myself embrace it however insisting to put it on Columbus Day is an affront to Western Civilization.
• You have the race hustlers that seek to enflame everyone along racial lines and the entire DEI structure. There was never a problem before George Floyd, "All Lives Matter" was taken an affront, Massive racial discrimination in school enrollment and hiring practices at leftoid companies which had to be dragged to colorblindness kicking and screaming, are just given a paint job, renamed and waiting to return with a new administration.
• Then there are the pro-Hamas demonstrators. Being concerned about the plight of Palestinian civilians is not the issue. Wanting to globalize the Intifada and chanting "From the River to the Sea" is. I happen to notice that none of these protestors give a fock about Palestinian civilians when, after the peace deal went into effect, Hamas started executing Palestinians in the street again. Also, noticeably, these same people couldn't care less about the real and far more horrific genocides against Christians going on in Congo and Nigeria. 
• The whole trans- nightmare from mutilating the bodies of children to drag queen story hour to men in women's sports and women's spaces to the whacky fetish acts displays and nudity at gay pride parades as well as Biden's Rose Garden and Congressional Hearing Rooms. The gender ideology presented to children via decision by Disney, other media companies, and woke schools to include LGBTQ content in what should be G-rated children's TV shows and elementary school libraries.
• The Biden pressure on Big Tech to engage in mass censorship of voices they'd wish silenced. Fortunately, this one seems to have been solved completely.
• The soft on crime approach that results in repeat offenders going free over and over again to prey on victims.  Democrats want Jordan Neely to walk free while putting guys like Daniel Penny in prison. WTF is wrong with you people?
• Not only the lack of cooperation to deport criminal illegal aliens but the active obstruction of ICE officers from doing their jobs including the harassment of officers at home and doxxing them. Committing every effort possible to gum up and slow down the works of the 
• The frivolous lawsuits and now the willingness of lower courts to overstep the executive, totally ignore both the law and Supreme Court rulings 
• The shift from softening the blunt edges of capitalism into embracing socialism and Marxism.

So, your main concerns are:

- Preservation of monuments.

- Hiring practices.

- Protests about Israel.

- Library / school reading & bathroom practices.

- The firewall & independence of the FCC.

- The sentencing practices of local courts.

- Protests about immigration.

- Jurisdiction of federal district courts over national constitutional issues.

- Government ownership of industries.

++++

Well, I don’t see national security, the economy, free elections, political corruption. I mean we’re withdrawing troops from Eastern Europe & resuming nuclear testing while threatening war on 2 continents but hey there’s a guy in drag reading to kids in Edina MN.

 

[Ron_Artest 2,175]

3 hours ago, jerryskids said:

I said MSDNC, not MSNBC

Isn't msdnc Trump's nickname for MSNBC?

Wait what do you think it means?

[seafoam1 3,407]

25 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Isn't msdnc Trump's nickname for MSNBC?

Wait what do you think it means?