Schumer Shutdown Thread

[Maximum Overkill 2,323]

9 minutes ago, MDC said:

You don’t believe Don has any idea where the $1T he cut from Medicaid is supposed to come from. He’s not really a details guy. 

You have no idea what he cut. You only know what Macho Raddow told you 

[TimHauck 3,207]

On 10/1/2025 at 1:51 PM, Meglamaniac said:

LOL

You're quoting him, a post in this thread, not a thread title

LOL

Can't make this chit up

You can still choose to view the post

[Meglamaniac 746]

17 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

You can still choose to view the post

OK Mr. Thanks for confirming

[TimHauck 3,207]

20 minutes ago, Meglamaniac said:

OK Mr. Thanks for confirming

You’re welcome

[nobody 2,831]

Wait so federal funds are used to reimburse hospitals for emergency care for illegals?  And without it rural hospitals will go bankrupt.

Wait... So there are so many illegals going to ERs, it would bankrupt hospitals?

I thought there was 0 funding for illegals' medical care.  Turns out we're subsidizing it at a fairly high rate according to Senator Warren.

 

[TimHauck 3,207]

2 minutes ago, nobody said:

Wait so federal funds were used to reimburse hospitals for emergency care for illegals?  And without it rural hospitals will go bankrupt.

Wait... So there are so many illegals going to ERs, it would bankrupt hospitals?

I thought there was 0 funding for illegals' medical care.  Turns out we're subsidizing it at a fairly high rate according to Senator Warren.

 

I honestly haven’t followed this super close but I believe the semantics game being played by both sides is that the argument is over funding for “noncitizens” that have legal residence, but Republicans are calling them “illegals.”

[Hardcore troubadour 15,877]

That’s why the democrats had to exploit our amnesty process so they could claim they aren’t illegal. So transparent and dishonest. 

[nobody 2,831]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

I honestly haven’t followed this super close but I believe the semantics game being played by both sides is that the argument is over funding for “noncitizens” that have legal residence, but Republicans are calling them “illegals.”

Well I'm glad they shut it down until we can get some clarity on what exactly is going on.  Good job to schumer.

[squistion 2,403]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

You can still choose to view the post

And as I mentioned you see all threads even for those you have on ignore (and can view the post if you hover over it)

[Meglamaniac 746]

52 minutes ago, squistion said:

And as I mentioned you see all threads even for those you have on ignore (and can view the post if you hover over it)

LOL

I don't think ignore means what you think it means

LOL

[Meglamaniac 746]

53 minutes ago, squistion said:

And as I mentioned you see all threads even for those you have on ignore (and can view the post if you hover over it)

I mean, I have you on ignore, but I still read your posts, but I have you on ignore

[nobody 2,831]

I'm not sure I understand the bankrupting of hospitals.

I guess the premise is that hospitals staff to expected demand, so if 15% of their patients aren't paying, then they need reimbursement from the government to cover the extra staff, but for the most part, I would've thought the hospital costs are relatively fixed.  They bought the equipment.  It's owned I presume and not leased.  And yeah, you may have to run tests, but my understanding is the labor and material to run those tests isn't crazy.  

I think for the most part I would expect there to be additional demand on resources already being deployed.  I wouldn't expect a rural hospital to be staffing up for an influx of illegals expecting reimbursement from the government, but I guess that's what they do? 

Too bad everybody has to lie constantly, so I'll probably never get a real answer.

[nobody 2,831]

And if that's the case, if there is a lull in activity, wouldn't hospitals be motivated to perform more tests/procedures to incur more billing.  It appears to me that the amount of billings will always grow or shrink on a per patient basis to meet the supply of resources available.

Essentially, you'll either get worse healthcare if the hospital is overrun with non-payers because there are inadequate resources, or you will get bilked by the hospital doing unnecessary stuff if they have an overabundance of resources (and associated costs).

[squistion 2,403]

1 hour ago, squistion said:

And as I mentioned you see all threads even for those you have on ignore (and can view the post if you hover over it)

The problem is with the system or the board - if you have someone on ignore, the threads they start should also be on ignore, but unfortunately it doesn't work that way.

[TimHauck 3,207]

29 minutes ago, nobody said:

I'm not sure I understand the bankrupting of hospitals.

I guess the premise is that hospitals staff to expected demand, so if 15% of their patients aren't paying, then they need reimbursement from the government to cover the extra staff, but for the most part, I would've thought the hospital costs are relatively fixed.  They bought the equipment.  It's owned I presume and not leased.  And yeah, you may have to run tests, but my understanding is the labor and material to run those tests isn't crazy.  

I think for the most part I would expect there to be additional demand on resources already being deployed.  I wouldn't expect a rural hospital to be staffing up for an influx of illegals expecting reimbursement from the government, but I guess that's what they do? 

Too bad everybody has to lie constantly, so I'll probably never get a real answer.

I thought the bigger issue around the claim of “bankrupting rural hospitals” was about the cuts to Medicaid from the OBBB from things like work requirements.  Many may like that, but the fact is it will have a big impact on red states.   Republicans claim they added in a “rural hospital fund” but TBD if it can offset what will be lost.

[Ron_Artest 2,006]

1 hour ago, nobody said:

Wait so federal funds are used to reimburse hospitals for emergency care for illegals?  And without it rural hospitals will go bankrupt.

Wait... So there are so many illegals going to ERs, it would bankrupt hospitals?

I thought there was 0 funding for illegals' medical care.  Turns out we're subsidizing it at a fairly high rate according to Senator Warren.

 

No you're wrong.  

Federal funds are used to reimburse hospitals for unpaid medical bills.  This includes anyone who either has medicaid or who is uninsured.  Even with medicaid hospitals don't get full reimbursement.  The percentage of unpaid bills for a hospital as a result of treating illegals is estimated to be ~15%.

There is 0 funding for illegals medical care, that is correct.

I don't get what the republican stance is.  You want hospitals to stop treating anyone illegal?  You think that will make healthcare more affordable?

[Ron_Artest 2,006]

52 minutes ago, nobody said:

I'm not sure I understand the bankrupting of hospitals.

I guess the premise is that hospitals staff to expected demand, so if 15% of their patients aren't paying, then they need reimbursement from the government to cover the extra staff, but for the most part, I would've thought the hospital costs are relatively fixed.  They bought the equipment.  It's owned I presume and not leased.  And yeah, you may have to run tests, but my understanding is the labor and material to run those tests isn't crazy.  

I think for the most part I would expect there to be additional demand on resources already being deployed.  I wouldn't expect a rural hospital to be staffing up for an influx of illegals expecting reimbursement from the government, but I guess that's what they do? 

Too bad everybody has to lie constantly, so I'll probably never get a real answer.

Do you understand P&L?  Revenue v expense.  When your expenses are higher than your revenue then it doesn't make sense to continue doing business.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,877]

Warren looking the fool once again. 

[nobody 2,831]

4 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

No you're wrong.  

Federal funds are used to reimburse hospitals for unpaid medical bills.  This includes anyone who either has medicaid or who is uninsured.  Even with medicaid hospitals don't get full reimbursement.  The percentage of unpaid bills for a hospital as a result of treating illegals is estimated to be ~15%.

There is 0 funding for illegals medical care, that is correct.

I don't get what the republican stance is.  You want hospitals to stop treating anyone illegal?  You think that will make healthcare more affordable?

So your supposing illegals pay for their medical care?  Good one.

[nobody 2,831]

7 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

Do you understand P&L?  Revenue v expense.  When your expenses are higher than your revenue then it doesn't make sense to continue doing business.

Yes, I understand it.  do you?  What I'm saying is their expenses should be relatively fixed. 

Does it cost more for a doctor to treat a patient rather than have the doctor sitting around on his ass?  The doctor is there.  He gets paid regardless of who walks in the door.  Just like the equipment.  It's there.  

Patients should really only use consumables.

[nobody 2,831]

I guess it's easy to check.  Presumably covid should've made all these hospitals rich since they got more patients right?

[Ron_Artest 2,006]

1 minute ago, nobody said:

Yes, I understand it.  do you?  What I'm saying is their expenses should be relatively fixed. 

Does it cost more for a doctor to treat a patient rather than have the doctor sitting around on his ass?  The doctor is there.  He gets paid regardless of who walks in the door.  Just like the equipment.  It's there.  

Patients should really on use consumables.

I see your point.  There is some variance with different tests, different drugs, need for a surgeon, etc, but yes they have to staff an ER 24/7.

So how do you increase revenue?  More patients with good insurance who can afford to pay their bills.  In poorer, rural areas, you're getting less patients, more medicaid and medicaire and more uninsured.  That all hits revenue.

[Voltaire 5,425]

21 hours ago, MDC said:

You don’t believe Don has any idea where the $1T he cut from Medicaid is supposed to come from. He’s not really a details guy. 

It’s from illegals and the GFIAFP population, not workers. 

[Ron_Artest 2,006]

39 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

It’s from illegals and the GFIAFP population, not workers. 

You seriously believe this?

[TimHauck 3,207]

7 hours ago, Meglamaniac said:

I mean, I have you on ignore, but I still read your posts, but I have you on ignore

I only have 2 people on ignore, peefoam and Maximum Tranny.  I like being able to avoid 80% of their slop when browsing, but I’ll usually see what they have to say if I think they’re replying to me.

[TimHauck 3,207]

1 hour ago, Voltaire said:

It’s from illegals and the GFIAFP population, not workers. 

What is the GFIAFP population?

[Meglamaniac 746]

6 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I only have 2 people on ignore, peefoam and Maximum Tranny.  I like being able to avoid 80% of their slop when browsing, but I’ll usually see what they have to say if I think they’re replying to me.

No one cares

[Meglamaniac 746]

5 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

What is the GFIAFP population?

if you know you know

[Ron_Artest 2,006]

13 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

What is the GFIAFP population?

He thinks there are millions of young adult men who chose not to work so they can get free Medicaid lol

[Voltaire 5,425]

53 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

You seriously believe this?

I provided you a link directly to the exact wording in the legislation, its not my fault you can't read but require professional liars to interpret the words for you.

I don't know why you would think somebody who actually read the legislation for himself would believe you or the liars you shill for. 

[Ron_Artest 2,006]

4 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

I provided you a link directly to the exact wording in the legislation, its not my fault you can't read but require professional liars to interpret the words for you.

I don't know why you would think somebody who actually read the legislation for himself would believe you or the liars you shill for. 

You're very naive.

[jonnyutah 503]

7 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

There is 0 funding for illegals medical care,

This is undeniably false. 

And we are at the it isnt happening stage. 

[jonnyutah 503]

3 hours ago, nobody said:

So your supposing illegals pay for their medical care?  Good one.

We literally pay for the childbirth of anchor babies. 

[Ron_Artest 2,006]

17 minutes ago, jonnyutah said:

This is undeniably false. 

And we are at the it isnt happening stage. 

Prove me wrong.

[jonnyutah 503]

5 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Prove me wrong.

• Emergency Medicaid. Under emergency Medicaid (§1903(v)(3) [42 U.S.C. §1396b(v)(3) and 8 U.S.C. §1611(b)(1)(A)], states are required to provide limited Medicaid services for the treatment of an emergency medical condition for aliens who meet Medicaid's other eligibility requirements, regardless of their immigration status or lack of immigration status. For pregnant women, emergency Medicaid includes services covered under the state plan (e.g., routine prenatal care, labor and delivery, and routine postpartum care) (42 C.F.R. §440.255(b)(2)).

Found here

We are about to cross into the next step from it isnt happening. 

[Ron_Artest 2,006]

8 minutes ago, jonnyutah said:

• Emergency Medicaid. Under emergency Medicaid (§1903(v)(3) [42 U.S.C. §1396b(v)(3) and 8 U.S.C. §1611(b)(1)(A)], states are required to provide limited Medicaid services for the treatment of an emergency medical condition for aliens who meet Medicaid's other eligibility requirements, regardless of their immigration status or lack of immigration status. For pregnant women, emergency Medicaid includes services covered under the state plan (e.g., routine prenatal care, labor and delivery, and routine postpartum care) (42 C.F.R. §440.255(b)(2)).

Found here

We are about to cross into the next step from it isnt happening. 

Emergency care.  That's been the case for 40 years, and it hasn't changed.  Funding wasn't removed for this, and Democrats are not asking for funding for this.

[jonnyutah 503]

39 minutes ago, jonnyutah said:

There is 0 funding for illegals medical care,

 

4 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Emergency care.  That's been the case for 40 years, and it hasn't changed.  Funding wasn't removed for this, and Democrats are not asking for funding for this.

And we have now marched out of the it isnt happening zone..

[jonnyutah 503]

10 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Emergency care.  That's been the case for 40 years, and it hasn't changed.  Funding wasn't removed for this, and Democrats are not asking for funding for this.

Federal funding was removed from this and Democrats are in fact asking for federal funding for this.

[jonnyutah 503]

Ron do you need me to teach you anything else about free healthcare for illegals or are you just going to jump right to the "this is a good thing" part of the program? 

[5-Points 3,713]

9 hours ago, squistion said:

The problem is with the system or the board - if you have someone on ignore, the threads they start should also be on ignore, but unfortunately it doesn't work that way.

It's hopeless. The only way to ensure you don't have to read posts you don't want to read is to delete your account and stop visiting the site.