Schumer Shutdown Thread

[Ron_Artest 2,008]

13 minutes ago, jonnyutah said:

Federal funding was removed from this and Democrats are in fact asking for federal funding for this.

Education time for you.

There used to be a program that specifically reimbursed hospitals for live saving care for illegals, section 1011, but it ended in 2016.

There was nothing in the recent spending bill specifically for this.  It was overall cuts to Medicaid.

Democrats are not asking for a program to reimburse hospitals for illegals aid, they want to reverse the overall Medicaid cuts.

Stop repeating foxnews.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,878]

The Medicaid reductions in the BBB don’t go into affect until the end of the year. The democrats have three months to negotiate.  They chose war.  

[jonnyutah 503]

8 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

There is 0 funding for illegals medical care

 

36 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Emergency care.  That's been the case for 40 years, and it hasn't changed.  Funding wasn't removed for this, and Democrats are not asking for funding for this.

 

7 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Education time for you.

There used to be a program that specifically reimbursed hospitals for live saving care for illegals, section 1011, but it ended in 2016

Lol.

Ron: There is no funding! 

Also ron: well yeah, that funding has existed for 40 years!

Also ron: that funding ended in 2016!!!

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,878]

3 minutes ago, jonnyutah said:

 

 

Lol.

Ron: There is no funding! 

Also ron: well yeah, that funding has existed for 40 years!

Also ron: that funding ended in 2016!!!

 

Ha!

[Ron_Artest 2,008]

9 minutes ago, jonnyutah said:

 

 

Lol.

Ron: There is no funding! 

Also ron: well yeah, that funding has existed for 40 years!

Also ron: that funding ended in 2016!!!

 

Bruh.

The practice of providing life saving care for illegals has existed for 40 years and nothing has changed that.  The program that specifically reimbursed this care ended in 2016.  Democrats are not asking for it back.

Now those are all facts.  I suggest you stop posting to avoid further embarrassment.

[nobody 2,831]

12 minutes ago, jonnyutah said:

 

 

Lol.

Ron: There is no funding! 

Also ron: well yeah, that funding has existed for 40 years!

Also ron: that funding ended in 2016!!!

 

I don't blame him.  Maybe they can take this time to hire some people to explain what the fock is the problem better instead of relying on 10 word sound bites.  

My understanding is the Republicans are saying medicare expansion spending at the state lev l gets matched by federal funds and therefore they don't want to match funds spent on illegals.  I would agree with that, but I can't find any one of these guys that don't speak in sound bites to know if my understanding is even correct.

Blue team seems to be saying things like they're cutting a trillion in Medicare and everyone is going to lose their health care or something which seems like a mischaracterization at best.  I'm sure there is some element of truth in there, but it sounds so absurd I don't even know where to begin extracting what elements of truth are in there.

I guess we're just too stupid for people to just explain what the problem is.  We are the stupid mob and only have enough attention for headlines I guess. 

At the very least it seems like two separate issues being discussed.

[Ron_Artest 2,008]

Forget illegals, it's a red herring.

2 main issues.

1) ACA subsidies, they are expiring and will raise premiums for millions on ACA starting in January.  Many will lost their insurance because they can't afford it.  Republicans want to weaken the ACA.  Democrats want to strengthen it.

2) Medicaid cuts.  Republicans want less Medicaid spending, Democrats want more.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,878]

I think we can all admit at this point that Obamacare is a disaster? 

[jonnyutah 503]

12 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Bruh.

The practice of providing life saving care for illegals has existed for 40 years and nothing has changed that.  The program that specifically reimbursed this care ended in 2016.  Democrats are not asking for it back.

Now those are all facts.  I suggest you stop posting to avoid further embarrassment.

"In addition, the bill targets the 40 Medicaid expansion states (plus DC) for additional savings through multiple provisions. These include: a mandate to impose work reporting requirements on expansion adults; a requirement for recertification of expansion adults every 6 months; a requirement to impose cost-sharing up to $35 per visit on expansion adults with incomes above the poverty level for most services; a reduction in the 90 percent federal matching rate (FMAP) for the costs of emergency medical care provided to expansion adults who are undocumented immigrants; and, in a remarkable overreach, a reduction in the 90 percent FMAP for expansion states that pay for health care for undocumented immigrants exclusively with their own state dollars"

 

[jonnyutah 503]

13 minutes ago, nobody said:

My understanding is the Republicans are saying medicare expansion spending at the state lev l gets matched by federal funds and therefore they don't want to match funds spent on illegals.  I would agree with that, but I can't find any one of these guys that don't speak in sound bites to know if my understanding is even correct.

Your understanding is pretty good. 

[5-Points 3,713]

8 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Forget illegals, it's a red herring.

2 main issues.

1) ACA subsidies, they are expiring and will raise premiums for millions on ACA starting in January.  Many will lost their insurance because they can't afford it.  Republicans want to weaken the ACA.  Democrats want to strengthen it.

2) Medicaid cuts.  Republicans want less Medicaid spending, Democrats want more.

So, you're saying the ACA isn't A. 

A lot of us already knew that, that's why we opposed it at the time. 

 

[HellToupee 2,076]

55 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

It's hopeless. The only way to ensure you don't have to read posts you don't want to read is to delete your account and stop visiting the site. 

 

 

Very good advice

[jonnyutah 503]

24 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Bruh.

The practice of providing life saving care for illegals has existed for 40 years and nothing has changed that.  The program that specifically reimbursed this care ended in 2016.  Democrats are not asking for it back.

Now those are all facts.  I suggest you stop posting to avoid further embarrassment.

The Democrats are asking to reverse a cut in funding for federal reimbursement hospitals can get for treating undocumented immigrants with an emergency medical condition, which they are required to do by law. 

Time magazine

[TimHauck 3,207]

1 hour ago, jonnyutah said:

The Democrats are asking to reverse a cut in funding for federal reimbursement hospitals can get for treating undocumented immigrants with an emergency medical condition, which they are required to do by law. 

Time magazine

That’s not free healthcare for illegals though.  The illegals are already getting the free healthcare, but this is just cutting funding the hospitals get reimbursed for for providing it.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,878]

6 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

That’s not free healthcare for illegals though.  The illegals are already getting the free healthcare, but this is just cutting funding the hospitals get reimbursed for for providing it.

Why won’t you tell us what your job is? 

[jonnyutah 503]

30 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

That’s not free healthcare for illegals though.  The illegals are already getting the free healthcare, but this is just cutting funding the hospitals get reimbursed for for providing it.

Lol.

It is cutting federal funds for illegal's healthcare. 

You know, like what we have been debating before you decided to lemon party the thread. 

[jonnyutah 503]

Tweedleron and tweedletim show has commenced.

 

[nobody 2,831]

4 hours ago, 5-Points said:

So, you're saying the ACA isn't A. 

A lot of us already knew that, that's why we opposed it at the time. 

 

I was pretty pissed when obama originally focked up my insurance.  Gutter told me to get over it back then.  

Maybe all the people who's premiums are going up now can get over it as well.

[nobody 2,831]

Isn't the federal government disallowed from spending money on healthcare for illegals?  

So which law prevails?  Is the law that hospitals must treat emergencies no matter what a state or federal law?  Seems to contradict each other.

[avoiding injuries 1,643]

9 hours ago, 5-Points said:

So, you're saying the ACA isn't A. 

A lot of us already knew that, that's why we opposed it at the time. 

 

UCA

[Ron_Artest 2,008]

8 hours ago, TimHauck said:

That’s not free healthcare for illegals though.  The illegals are already getting the free healthcare, but this is just cutting funding the hospitals get reimbursed for for providing it.

Exactly.  It's the law that hospitals treat anyone in an emergency.

If Republicans were serious they would change the law so illegals can't be treated.

Also it's not just reimbursement for illegals, it's reimbursement for everyone.

If Democrats were smart they would try and make a deal to carve out the illegals to fully eliminate that talking point.

[avoiding injuries 1,643]

5 hours ago, nobody said:

I was pretty pissed when obama originally focked up my insurance.  Gutter told me to get over it back then.  

Maybe all the people who's premiums are going up now can get over it as well.

It was for the betterment of society you selfish . 
/s

[Ron_Artest 2,008]

5 hours ago, nobody said:

Isn't the federal government disallowed from spending money on healthcare for illegals?  

So which law prevails?  Is the law that hospitals must treat emergencies no matter what a state or federal law?  Seems to contradict each other.

They don't contradict each other.

1) illegals cannot sign up for the ACA or Medicaid.

2) anyone who shows up in a hospital ER and needs care gets it.  Govt may reimburse hospital for services.

[TimHauck 3,207]

2 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Exactly.  It's the law that hospitals treat anyone in an emergency.

If Republicans were serious they would change the law so illegals can't be treated.

Also it's not just reimbursement for illegals, it's reimbursement for everyone.

If Democrats were smart they would try and make a deal to carve out the illegals to fully eliminate that talking point.

The Time magazine link seems to say it is specifically about illegals, no?

Also isn’t there something about Republicans also wanting to cut the states’ ability to fund it as well?

[Ron_Artest 2,008]

5 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

The Time magazine link seems to say it is specifically about illegals, no?

Also isn’t there something about Republicans also wanting to cut the states’ ability to fund it as well?

Just.  The time magazine calls out cuts for reimbursement for emergency care for illegals which says accounts for <1% Medicaid spending.  It's also calls out cuts everywhere.

You don't save a trillion dollars by cutting out reimbursement for illegals ER care.

Bottom line is the Republicans through the BBB cut Medicaid funding up and down.  Democrats want to stop that.

The illegal talk is the distraction.

[TimHauck 3,207]

6 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Just.  The time magazine calls out cuts for reimbursement for emergency care for illegals which says accounts for <1% Medicaid spending. 

But are Democrats willing to lose it?

[Ron_Artest 2,008]

14 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

But are Democrats willing to lose it?

I have no idea.  Schumer hasn't returned my text.

From a common sense and political standpoint, I would think it would be best for the Democrats to abandon the illegals and fight for everything  else, but the Democrats are clueless. They can't do anything right.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,878]

All those asylum seekers let in under bullshit reasons by Biden have to be costing us more than 1 pct. 

[Ron_Artest 2,008]

36 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

All those asylum seekers let in under bullshit reasons by Biden have to be costing us more than 1 pct. 

Data is beautiful.

https://www.kff.org/quick-take/less-than-1-of-total-medicaid-spending-goes-to-emergency-care-for-noncitizen-immigrants/

 

[TimHauck 3,207]

2 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

I have no idea.  Schumer hasn't returned my text.

From a common sense and political standpoint, I would think it would be best for the Democrats to abandon the illegals and fight for everything  else, but the Democrats are clueless. They can't do anything right.

Isn’t it also true the expiring Obamacare credits Dems want extended were previously voted for by Dems?

[5-Points 3,713]

8 hours ago, nobody said:

I was pretty pissed when obama originally focked up my insurance.  Gutter told me to get over it back then.  

Maybe all the people who's premiums are going up now can get over it as well.

They had a good run. Now it's time for them to subsidize their own existence. 

[5-Points 3,713]

2 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

Exactly.  It's the law that hospitals treat anyone in an emergency.

If Republicans were serious they would change the law so illegals can't be treated.

Also it's not just reimbursement for illegals, it's reimbursement for everyone.

If Democrats were smart they would try and make a deal to carve out the illegals to fully eliminate that talking point.

Or just remove them from the country. That would work too. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,878]

1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

Data is beautiful.

https://www.kff.org/quick-take/less-than-1-of-total-medicaid-spending-goes-to-emergency-care-for-noncitizen-immigrants/

 

Emergency care. Why don’t you stop being such an ignorant jackass? 

[Ron_Artest 2,008]

50 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Emergency care. Why don’t you stop being such an ignorant jackass? 

Illegals aren't allowed to be on Medicaid 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,878]

5 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Illegals aren't allowed to be on Medicaid 

Your link was about n non citizen immigrants. Thats different from illegals. College! 

[jonnyutah 503]

4 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

Just.  The time magazine calls out cuts for reimbursement for emergency care for illegals which says accounts for <1% Medicaid spending.  It's also calls out cuts everywhere.

You don't save a trillion dollars by cutting out reimbursement for illegals ER care.

Bottom line is the Republicans through the BBB cut Medicaid funding up and down.  Democrats want to stop that.

The illegal talk is the distraction.

Hahahahaha.

 

[Ron_Artest 2,008]

2 hours ago, jonnyutah said:

Hahahahaha.

 

You're a clown

[Ron_Artest 2,008]

3 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Your link was about n non citizen immigrants. Thats different from illegals. College! 

How is it different?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,878]

21 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

How is it different?

Wow. People here waiting out their asylum claims aren’t here illegally. They get health care. College! 

[Ron_Artest 2,008]

2 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Wow. People here waiting out their asylum claims aren’t here illegally. They get health care. College! 

Yeah I know, but thats not what the article is talking about

GED