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3 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

Such BS.  Democrats have been fighting to higher wages, cheaper healthcare, and everything else that benefits the lower class.  Meanwhile Republicans are stripping it all away and giving it to billionaires.

The only care about the unproductive class and the wealthy 

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4 minutes ago, Fnord said:

So the solution is fock em all and let em starve!

Great plan.

The solution is for both sides to sit down like adults and solve the problem. I don’t think either side wants to do this

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40 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

The solution is for both sides to sit down like adults and solve the problem. I don’t think either side wants to do this

WANT TO? Agreed, neither side wants to deal with the other. The dems offered to vote on continuing SNAP payments and ACA subsidies, Reps declined. I don't like it, but at this point I don't see a way out. The dems can't vote for a CR based on promises, because this admin is completely untrustworthy. Initially, I viewed this as about 80% on the dems, now I'm closer to 85% Reps. Don't worry, though. None of the negative news about Trump ever pierces the veil for anyone supporting him, so your boy is safe, as always, from any blowback.

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25 minutes ago, Fnord said:

WANT TO? Agreed, neither side wants to deal with the other. The dems offered to vote on continuing SNAP payments and ACA subsidies, Reps declined. I don't like it, but at this point I don't see a way out. The dems can't vote for a CR based on promises, because this admin is completely untrustworthy. Initially, I viewed this as about 80% on the dems, now I'm closer to 85% Reps. Don't worry, though. None of the negative news about Trump ever pierces the veil for anyone supporting him, so your boy is safe, as always, from any blowback.

Sorry but no.   elections have consequences.  This is on the dems 100%.  They refuse to vote for a CR that they have voted for in the past.  They don't have the votes to get what THEY want through the next budget so they decided to shut it down.  this is 100% a dem shutdown.  Why should the republicans give in to their demands?  They don't have the votes so they pull this crap.  Here's a tip, win more in the next election maybe.

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17 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Sorry but no.   elections have consequences.  This is on the dems 100%.  They refuse to vote for a CR that they have voted for in the past.  They don't have the votes to get what THEY want through the next budget so they decided to shut it down.  this is 100% a dem shutdown.  Why should the republicans give in to their demands?  They don't have the votes so they pull this crap.  Here's a tip, win more in the next election maybe.

Trump won't negotiate, Mike Johnson sent Congress home for a vacation, but it is a 100% Democratic shutdown? LOL 

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29 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Sorry but no.   elections have consequences.  This is on the dems 100%.  They refuse to vote for a CR that they have voted for in the past.  They don't have the votes to get what THEY want through the next budget so they decided to shut it down.  this is 100% a dem shutdown.  Why should the republicans give in to their demands?  They don't have the votes so they pull this crap.  Here's a tip, win more in the next election maybe.

Yeah the consequences of the 2024 election are higher inflation, mass layoffs, and coming soon: mass starvation! Thanks Daddy Trump…

Also, the Republicans in the Senate could abolish the filibuster today. So really they are the ones who could end this. Even senile old Trump knows it, and is telling them to do it.

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1 hour ago, HellToupee said:

The solution is for both sides to sit down like adults and solve the problem. I don’t think either side wants to do this

Agreed. Not gonna happen with the House on vacation since mid September. Mikey J needs to call them back to DC today.

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31 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Sorry but no.   elections have consequences.  This is on the dems 100%.  They refuse to vote for a CR that they have voted for in the past.  They don't have the votes to get what THEY want through the next budget so they decided to shut it down.  this is 100% a dem shutdown.  Why should the republicans give in to their demands?  They don't have the votes so they pull this crap.  Here's a tip, win more in the next election maybe.

Agreed.

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Everyday Americans are now being affected by the SCHUMER SHUTDOWN.
This is what the Dems want, total chaos 

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1 hour ago, squistion said:

Trump won't negotiate, Mike Johnson sent Congress home for a vacation, but it is a 100% Democratic shutdown? LOL 

Why stay when the dems have made it clear they won't vote for a CR?  If they agree to it, congress can come back

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54 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Yeah the consequences of the 2024 election are higher inflation, mass layoffs, and coming soon: mass starvation! Thanks Daddy Trump…

Also, the Republicans in the Senate could abolish the filibuster today. So really they are the ones who could end this. Even senile old Trump knows it, and is telling them to do it.

No.  the dems can end this by voting for the same CR they have voted for in the past.  Making the republicans change process or policy because the dems don't have the vote wont work.  

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54 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Agreed. Not gonna happen with the House on vacation since mid September. Mikey J needs to call them back to DC today.

There literally is no negotiation here so no need to call them back.  Vote for the cr, the exact same one that was ok to vote for before Trump was elected, or the government stays shut down.   If the dems say "yep. we will vote for it," then call the congress back.  until then, it's a total waste of time

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1 hour ago, supermike80 said:

Sorry but no.   elections have consequences.  This is on the dems 100%.  They refuse to vote for a CR that they have voted for in the past.  They don't have the votes to get what THEY want through the next budget so they decided to shut it down.  this is 100% a dem shutdown.  Why should the republicans give in to their demands?  They don't have the votes so they pull this crap.  Here's a tip, win more in the next election maybe.

Obviously we don't agree on blame, which is fine.

But allow me to ask: how is this 100% on dems when they have offered to vote immediately to pass a CR as long as it includes extensions on SNAP and ACA subsidies that are set to expire? SOTH refuses to call them back for a vote. Those are the dem priorities, and they are being blocked by the guy that also refuses to swear in a Democratic congresswoman from AZ because she'll vote to release the Epstein files.

If Dems are willing to die on a hill, I think affordable health care and ensuring poor people get fed are about as good as a hill gets. I know you share concerns about these things, so what are your thoughts?

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2 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Obviously we don't agree on blame, which is fine.

But allow me to ask: how is this 100% on dems when they have offered to vote immediately to pass a CR as long as it includes extensions on SNAP and ACA subsidies that are set to expire? SOTH refuses to call them back for a vote. Those are the dem priorities, and they are being blocked by the guy that also refuses to swear in a Democratic congresswoman from AZ because she'll vote to release the Epstein files.

If Dems are willing to die on a hill, I think affordable health care and ensuring poor people get fed are about as good as a hill gets. I know you share concerns about these things, so what are your thoughts?

Exactly why....Because of the "as long as it includes" part.  They don't have the votes to get this through the regular way, so they decided to try and strong arm it by refusing to vote yes on a CR that was passed before and doesn't have those additions.  So yeah, this is 100% on the dems.  

Also, as far as swearing in.  Nope.  Dems wanted it shutdown, so no you don't get to add anyone else until that's done.  I have no issue with that.  They decided this is how they wanted to handle it so FAFO.

I 100% agree that SNAP needs funding.  But I would also not be willing to do it with a gun to my head, which is what the dems are doing.  

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Just now, supermike80 said:

Exactly why....Because of the "as long as it includes" part.  They don't have the votes to get this through the regular way, so they decided to try and strong arm it by refusing to vote yes on a CR that was passed before and doesn't have those additions.  So yeah, this is 100% on the dems.  

Also, as far as swearing in.  Nope.  Dems wanted it shutdown, so no you don't get to add anyone else until that's done.  I have no issue with that.  They decided this is how they wanted to handle it so FAFO.

I 100% agree that SNAP needs funding.  But I would also not be willing to do it with a gun to my head, which is what the dems are doing.  

Thanks. You're saying the Dems don't have the votes to pass what they want, so they're throwing a tantrum. Well, the GOP doesn't have the votes they need either. So, despite the Dems offering to keep the gov't open on the stipulation that aid continues to AMERICAN CITIZENS, which are also represented by the GOP, Mike Johnson refuses to let that vote happen, which would end the shutdown, which is what MJ claims they want. 

Sorry, I don't buy it. This admin has shown it cannot be trusted. Given other things going on that we would disagree about and I don't want to mention in this thread, I cannot see how this can be pinned entirely on either party, but especially not the D's. There is zero incentive for them to give away the tiny shred of leverage they have. Other than people being sick and hungry, of course. But appeasement isn't going to keep anyone fed and healthy, either.

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2 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Thanks. You're saying the Dems don't have the votes to pass what they want, so they're throwing a tantrum. Well, the GOP doesn't have the votes they need either. So, despite the Dems offering to keep the gov't open on the stipulation that aid continues to AMERICAN CITIZENS, which are also represented by the GOP, Mike Johnson refuses to let that vote happen, which would end the shutdown, which is what MJ claims they want. 

Sorry, I don't buy it. This admin has shown it cannot be trusted. Given other things going on that we would disagree about and I don't want to mention in this thread, I cannot see how this can be pinned entirely on either party, but especially not the D's. There is zero incentive for them to give away the tiny shred of leverage they have. Other than people being sick and hungry, of course. But appeasement isn't going to keep anyone fed and healthy, either.

You're right...neither has the votes.  And as much as you don't trust the right, I don't trust the left.....andddddddd thats why we currently have a shutdown with no clear resolution in sight.

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7 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Obviously we don't agree on blame, which is fine.

But allow me to ask: How is this 100% on dems when they have offered to vote immediately to pass a CR as long as it includes extensions on SNAP and ACA subsidies that are set to expire? SOTH refuses to call them back for a vote. Those are the dem priorities, and they are being blocked by the guy that also refuses to swear in a Democratic congresswoman from AZ because she'll vote to release the Epstein files.

If Dems are willing to die on a hill, I think affordable health care and ensuring poor people get fed are about as good as a hill gets. I know you share concerns about these things, so what are your thoughts?

Exactly, It isn't 100% on Democrats despite claims to the contrary by Republicans. The GOP keeps saying "Vote for the CR and we will discuss the ACA subsidies later" but of course they have no intention of discussing this later.

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1 minute ago, squistion said:

Exactly, It isn't 100% on Democrats despite claims to the contrary by Republicans. The GOP keeps saying "Vote for the CR and we will discuss the ACA subsidies later" but of course they have no intention of discussing this later.

Well that's clear cause they don't want it now.  So why would they vote for it later?  You kids and your political analysis sometimes.  Its epic

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1 minute ago, squistion said:

Exactly, It isn't 100% on Democrats despite claims to the contrary by Republicans. The GOP keeps saying "Vote for the CR and we will discuss the ACA subsidies later" but of course they have no intention of discussing this later.

Like I said, I'm still putting 15-20% of the blame on Dems. They know they're inflicting pain, and there's a good chance many of them DGAF. The only saving grace here is that if they capitulate, all of the ensuing fallout can be squarely placed on the GOP. The flip side to that is that those getting their news from RWM know little of Trump's corruption, and are unlikely to believe any of it could possibly be the Don's fault. They will continue to believe that their ongoing malaise is somehow not Don's fault.

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Just now, supermike80 said:

Well that's clear cause they don't want it now.  So why would they vote for it later?  You kids and your political analysis sometimes.  Its epic

Your claim that this is “100% on the Democrats” only demonstrates your partisan imagination. It’s another reason why most of your posts can’t be taken seriously. Unless you’re willing to criticize your own side at least time to time you’re nothing but a shill. 
 

Personally I see this as around 40% on Dems, 40% on Republicans, and 20% on Trump. There’s plenty of blame to go around. 

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Just now, Fnord said:

Like I said, I'm still putting 15-20% of the blame on Dems. They know they're inflicting pain, and there's a good chance many of them DGAF. The only saving grace here is that if they capitulate, all of the ensuing fallout can be squarely placed on the GOP. The flip side to that is that those getting their news from RWM know little of Trump's corruption, and are unlikely to believe any of it could possibly be the Don's fault. They will continue to believe that their ongoing malaise is somehow not Don's fault.

I'm putting 85% on the dems.   But not from the RWM.  I can deduce what is happening on my own.   Dems didn't have the votes to put things in the budget the republicans don't want, so they decided to not vote on a CR to shoehorn it in.  And the republicans pushed back.   So the 15% is the republicans pushing back, the rest is on the left.

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7 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Well that's clear cause they don't want it now.  So why would they vote for it later?  You kids and your political analysis sometimes.  Its epic

Then why would they say they will discuss it later when it seems obvious they have no intent to do so? 

24 million Americans have ACA subsidies and if those are allowed to expire, that could cause premiums to more than double for many enrollees making carry health insurance cost prohibitive. 

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1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Your claim that this is “100% on the Democrats” only demonstrates your partisan imagination. It’s another reason why most of your posts can’t be taken seriously. Unless you’re willing to criticize your own side at least time to time you’re nothing but a shill. 
 

Personally I see this as around 40% on Dems, 40% on Republicans, and 20% on Trump. There’s plenty of blame to go around. 

Tim,

In fairness I have decided, as with TDS Ron, to not reply to any of your posts.  So this will be my last to express that to you.  I can't handle the dishonesty, the lying and the pompousness you display everyday.   

But I was chastised for my attacks on you by someone on this board I respect, and he was right.  So as they say, if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all.

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Just now, squistion said:

Then why would they say they will discuss it later when it seems obvious they have no intent to do so? 

24 million Americans have ACA subsidies and if those are allowed to expire, that could cause premiums to more than double for many enrollees making carry health insurance cost prohibitive. 

I know what's on the table squish.   But you can't force it through this way.  That's why it's on the dems. 

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2 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

I'm putting 85% on the dems.   But not from the RWM.  I can deduce what is happening on my own.   Dems didn't have the votes to put things in the budget the republicans don't want, so they decided to not vote on a CR to shoehorn it in.  And the republicans pushed back.   So the 15% is the republicans pushing back, the rest is on the left.

Still not accurate but credit to you for at least changing the number partly. 

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1 minute ago, supermike80 said:

Tim,

In fairness I have decided, as with TDS Ron, to not reply to any of your posts.  So this will be my last to express that to you.  I can't handle the dishonesty, the lying and the pompousness you display everyday.   

But I was chastised for my attacks on you by someone on this board I respect, and he was right.  So as they say, if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all.

Too bad. Feel free to change your mind. 

I’ll own up to the pompousness. I probably am pompous from time to time. But I completely deny the charge of dishonesty. 

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7 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I probably am pompous

I’ve been telling you this for years. Now all you have to do is admit you’re a blowhard. Not in a bad way , more like the blowhard relative at Thanksgiving 

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42 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

No.  the dems can end this by voting for the same CR they have voted for in the past.  Making the republicans change process or policy because the dems don't have the vote wont work.  

So you’re calling Trump a liar? For once he actually tells the truth and you think it’s a lie.

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30 minutes ago, squistion said:

Exactly, It isn't 100% on Democrats despite claims to the contrary by Republicans. The GOP keeps saying "Vote for the CR and we will discuss the ACA subsidies later" but of course they have no intention of discussing this later.

As dumb as people think the Democrats are, giving into every demand for some vague future promise is not happening…

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16 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

I know what's on the table squish.   But you can't force it through this way.  That's why it's on the dems. 

But aren't Republicans forcing through ending the ACA subsidies?

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6 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

I’ve been telling you this for years. Now all you have to do is admit you’re a blowhard. Not in a bad way , more like the blowhard relative at Thanksgiving 

Look in a mirror as far as that one goes buddy 

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Meanwhile, public sentiment has turned SHARPLY away from the Republicans on this issue. @supermike80 is one of the only 26% of people who support the GOP handling of the shutdown.

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As the ongoing shutdown of the federal government nears its 30th day, a new Yahoo/YouGov poll shows that nearly twice as many Americans want it to end with Democrats getting their way rather than Republicans.

Only 26% of Americans, meanwhile, approve of how President Trump has been handling the shutdown. A full 65% disapprove.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/article/poll-americans-prefer-democratic-position-on-ending-the-shutdown-by-a-2-to-1-margin-201200954.html?utm_source=flipboard&utm_medium=activitypub

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1 minute ago, dogcows said:

Meanwhile, public sentiment has turned SHARPLY away from the Republicans on this issue. @supermike80 is one of the only 26% of people who support the GOP handling of the shutdown.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/article/poll-americans-prefer-democratic-position-on-ending-the-shutdown-by-a-2-to-1-margin-201200954.html?utm_source=flipboard&utm_medium=activitypub

POLLS ARE FUN!!!

I wonder, if FOX news took a poll, what the % would be then HMMMMM

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7 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

Such BS.  Democrats have been fighting to higher wages, cheaper healthcare, and everything else that benefits the lower class.  Meanwhile Republicans are stripping it all away and giving it to billionaires.

It's like talking to 3 year olds who think they know how the world works. It's amazing that you can find your way here every day.

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11 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

It's like talking to 3 year olds who think they know how the world works. It's amazing that you can find your way here every day.

Yup...simple Minds....

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43 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Tim,

In fairness I have decided, as with TDS Ron, to not reply to any of your posts.  So this will be my last to express that to you.  I can't handle the dishonesty, the lying and the pompousness you display everyday.   

But I was chastised for my attacks on you by someone on this board I respect, and he was right.  So as they say, if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all.

So immature 

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41 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Too bad. Feel free to change your mind. 

I’ll own up to the pompousness. I probably am pompous from time to time. But I completely deny the charge of dishonesty. 

He's still gonna read your posts, and will reply just not to you.  He's a child.

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15 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

It's like talking to 3 year olds who think they know how the world works. It's amazing that you can find your way here every day.

Just to be clear, you think you get money from the universe when you give money away, right?

Also you believe in chemtrails

But sure call other people 3 year olds 

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8 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Just to be clear, you think you get money from the universe when you give money away, right?

Also you believe in chemtrails

But sure call other people 3 year olds 

There are many videos of people admitting they spray chemicals into the air. You are reaching a level of stupid that is rare even in today's age. I am not saying this to insult you. I am hoping you choose to start using your brain more.

You will see one day. When you realize you were a brainless tw*t your whole life, you're going to regret it. That day will come.

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17 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Yup...simple Minds....

The left has reached a level of stupid where any amount of common sense is labeled as something like racism or some other ism.

Every liberal on this board would cuck out to a democrat politician and let them lay with their wives. Guarantee it.