🧵🚨 Minneapolis Signal Infiltrated

[cyclone24 2,011]

4 minutes ago, dogcows said:

What is this word salad? You just admitted you were making stuff up. I called you on it. You’ve got some seriously thin skin…

I made nothing up. Everything I said was factual you can’t refuse it.
1. He was in a signal chat that instruct him how to obstruct federal officers.
2. He showed up with a gun in an extra clip while committing a felony.

3. He was told to get out of the Street which he did not do, he was then pepper sprayed while still on the freaking street. He then chose to fight officers which is also felony while having a loaded weapon, which is also a felony.
 

By all means, please try to refuse any of those

 

And I know this is just a deflect from you not answering the question of when you’re gonna go suit up or go protest after you tried this tough guy BS. I’m going to attach it to every message you send.

[Hardcore troubadour 16,310]

1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

Actually the America I want to live in is where you don't executed in the street for protesting.

Why do they blow whistles? 

[cyclone24 2,011]

6 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Really sounds like you were implying this happened in this specific instance bud.  Good try, good effort.

 

Nope. I didn’t mention him once. 
 

I’ll make this as clear as I can. If a federal agent is trying to remove an illegal alien, that is a criminal a rapist, a drug dealer or murderer and you interfere with that? No, I have no problem with them filling you full of bullets until they run out. None whatsoever. 
Do you want to be on the side protecting those people? Have at it.

[Hardcore troubadour 16,310]

1 hour ago, HellToupee said:

 

No need to. Whatever you posted I can’t trust as factual. This isn’t the 1st or 2nd time you posted false things to spin your narrative. For the most part I skip over your posts for that reason. 

 

True

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1 hour ago, Engorgeous George said:

They knocked her to the ground in the process of taking her into custody.  There is video of them taking her to the ground a seond time immediately after the shooting,cuffing her, and perp walking her away from the scene.  Mr. Pretti was not in defense of another when he helped her back to her feet, he was interferring with taking her into custody.  Now had he stood aside, filmed the action, folowed them to where they were taking her, alerted a panel of pro bono attorney advocates of the matter and handed over his video of the incident that would ahve been fine, admirable even, potentially, based on ones politics and principles.  He did not do so.  he interferred and it went bad.  He did not deserve to die from his ignorance but when one interjects chaos into uncertain and volitile situations the situation can turn bad.  I scoff at those, like you, who maintain that Mr. Pretti ahd no idea the situation could turn volitile.  You, and people like he consistently maintain the Agents are undertrained and under experienced and yet you stress out their decision making by being loud, in their face, obstructing, and by introducing arms into a situation where that need not have been.  If you cannot apreciate that is the exact recipe for disaster you have no insight.  Prettil mixed the cake batter and put it in the oven.  Surprise, it came out a cake.

As always, I appreciate your reasoned and experienced perspective.

I think what is missing in your appraisal and many others is that the rules have changed, and the public hasn't caught up with that. You're talking about the past, and how these things have been handled since the dawn of our nation. That calculus is gone. This is a new world order, and citizens don't have the right to do what they have in the past. You can see in this thread the conflating of "protest" and "peaceful assembly" which are the same concept. While we can rightly debate the actions of individuals being caught up in the fray, what is not debatable is that the "offenses" we're seeing by MN residents are being treated in the harshest possible terms, with seemingly no regard to the rights of those being "punished."

Pretti made questionable decisions; we can't ask him to justify his thought process anymore, though. What should have been him being arrested, at worst, turned into him being executed. And you can quibble with that term, but I won't. It MAY have been accidental, but it WAS an execution, carried out in absolute violation of every single one of his civil rights, out in the street, with plenty of witnesses, backstopped by an administration that is, if not encouraging that behavior, certainly providing cover for agents engaged in it. 

This is not justice. This is an abortion of justice.

[TimHauck 3,571]

1 minute ago, cyclone24 said:

Nope. I didn’t mention him once. 
 

I’ll make this as clear as I can. If a federal agent is trying to remove an illegal alien, that is a criminal a rapist, a drug dealer or murderer and you interfere with that? No, I have no problem with them filling you full of bullets until they run out. None whatsoever. 
Do you want to be on the side protecting those people? Have at it.

So you’re okay with killing protesters.  Thanks for making yourself clear 

[dogcows 1,516]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

So you’re okay with killing protesters.  Thanks for making yourself clear 

He assumes they are guilty just because ICE is going after them.

I bet he was hoping they would have gunned down the 5-year-old kid they took in too. What a ghoul he is.

[cyclone24 2,011]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

So you’re okay with killing protesters.  Thanks for making yourself clear 

Do you guys have a brain in your head? I’ve said it multiple times. Do you want a peacefully protest on the sidewalk? Knock yourselves out. You’re not preventing anything but go ahead.

That’s not what this guy is doing nor what many of them are doing. Yes, if you interfere with them and they shoot you, I’m not going to lose a minute sleep over it.

Like I said. I’m standing up for Laken Reilly. You’re standing up for the guy that killed her not being removed. I’m perfectly OK being on this side.

[cyclone24 2,011]

1 minute ago, dogcows said:

He assumes they are guilty just because ICE is going after them.

I bet he was hoping they would have gunned down the 5-year-old kid they took in too. What a ghoul he is.

Oh, you mean the one where the illegal criminal ran away in abandoned the five-year-old? The one you guys tried to falsely claim that got detained and arrested? What a completely buffoon example to use that blew up in your face.
 

Do you need a link to the academy to sign up by the way? Or are you just gonna catch a flight to Minneapolis? Why won’t you answer this?

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5 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

Nope. I didn’t mention him once. 
 

I’ll make this as clear as I can. If a federal agent is trying to remove an illegal alien, that is a criminal a rapist, a drug dealer or murderer and you interfere with that? No, I have no problem with them filling you full of bullets until they run out. None whatsoever. 
Do you want to be on the side protecting those people? Have at it.

You have a pretty cavalier attitude about the lives of fellow Americans. One might say inhuman, even. I envy folks ignorant enough to see everything in black and white terms, though I don't envy their lack of independent thought or character. 

[cyclone24 2,011]

1 minute ago, Fnord said:

You have a pretty cavalier attitude about the lives of fellow Americans. One might say inhuman, even. I envy folks ignorant enough to see everything in black and white terms, though I don't envy their lack of independent thought or character. 

Gosh, I’d say you have a very cavalier attitude about the lives of Americans who choose to interfere with federal agencies. 
Your leaders could’ve told them to go to the ballot box. Could’ve told them to go home and not interfere, but you did the exact opposite. 
You’re using these poor people as props to further an agenda and you know the language used is riling them up. That’s why places like Texas etc. deport twice as many people than Minneapolis, but don’t have nearly the problems. Gosh, I wonder why that is? 
 

Yeah, imagine the moral character you have to have to not stand for a kid with cancer or an angel mom or have 150 Democrats vote against the laken Reilly act.

So save me this moral high horse you guys are always on
 

[dogcows 1,516]

Just now, cyclone24 said:

Gosh, I’d say you have a very cavalier attitude about the lives of Americans who choose to interfere with federal agencies. 
Your leaders could’ve told them to go to the ballot box. Could’ve told them to go home and not interfere, but you did the exact opposite. 
You’re using these poor people as props to further an agenda and you know the language used is riling them up. That’s why places like Texas etc. deport twice as many people than Minneapolis, but don’t have nearly the problems. Gosh, I wonder why that is? 
 

Yeah, imagine the moral character you have to have to not stand for a kid with cancer or an angel mom or have 150 Democrats vote against the laken Reilly act.

So save me this moral high horse you guys are always on
 

Bend over and take it from the feds.

How much do you wanna bet this clown has a ‘come and take it’ bumper sticker? Fake tough guy.

[Hardcore troubadour 16,310]

Liberal don’t care about all the kids that were trafficked across the border, but all of a sudden they want you to believe they care about this 5 year old. Liberals: Chickenhawk child pimps good, Ice agents bad. 

[dogcows 1,516]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Liberal don’t care about all the kids that were trafficked across the border, but all of a sudden they want you to believe they care about this 5 year old. Liberals: Chickenhawk child pimps good, Ice agents bad. 

Trafficked over the border to Epstein island?

[nobody 3,005]

4 hours ago, cyclone24 said:

No, but it kicks out this little narrative that he was just some innocent nurse or medical lackey. I know that’s the narrative to portray him as this innocent person, but he wasn’t by any stretch whatsoever.

Left needs better martyrs. It's almost always some drug dealer or pedo or career criminal or someone doing something foolish.  I guess the problem is a beautiful 24 year old woman top scholar getting a medical degree in oncology while spending weekends volunteering at an animal shelter has got better things to do than scream in the face of ICE agents

But this Alex guy was about as good as they could hope for.  That's why they keep latching on to the ICU nurse thing.

It's a great piece of propaganda.  ICU nurse saving lives and veterans brutally gunned down for no reason in the streets of Minneapolis by gestapo ICE thugs.

If he was better looking and younger and didn't bring the gun, he'd get a lot more traction, but then again, if he didn't bring the gun, he'd also probably still be alive since the presence of the weapon heightened tensions and the accidental discharge of his weapon precipitated the unfortunate shooting.  Not justifiably, but his gun helped contribute to his shooting.

[cyclone24 2,011]

Just now, dogcows said:

Bend over and take it from the feds.

How much do you wanna bet this clown has a ‘come and take it’ bumper sticker? Fake tough guy.

Nope. See what rational grown-ups do as they get older as they go got a family and kids in a pretty good life. I probably shouldn’t do anything that would endanger that. 
The rare times I’ve ever been pulled over guess where my hands are? 10 and two. The cops are jerk off, which has happened. My mind goes to. I don’t really care. I’m getting home. 
 

You wanna call that being soft or not tough? Well, I’m going home and your poet and your nurse isn’t soooo…

But like you said, you’re really really tough. When you join the academy? When’s the protest you’re going to? Weren’t you gonna show us how this is all done? I’d hate to think you’re a hypocrite. I would hate it.

[Hardcore troubadour 16,310]

Just now, dogcows said:

Trafficked over the border to Epstein island?

See? They don’t care about the brown kids that were trafficked by the thousands. You wonder why there are grooming gangs in the UK and the men there let it happen? Here you go. 

[dogcows 1,516]

1 minute ago, cyclone24 said:

Nope. See what rational grown-ups do as they get older as they go got a family and kids in a pretty good life. I probably shouldn’t do anything that would endanger that. 
The rare times I’ve ever been pulled over guess where my hands are? 10 and two. The cops are jerk off, which has happened. My mind goes to. I don’t really care. I’m getting home. 
 

You wanna call that being soft or not tough? Well, I’m going home and your poet and your nurse isn’t soooo…

But like you said, you’re really really tough. When you join the academy? When’s the protest you’re going to? Weren’t you gonna show us how this is all done? I’d hate to think you’re a hypocrite. I would hate it.

Good to know if you ever need a friend who will stand up for you, it’s not this guy  

[dogcows 1,516]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

See? They don’t care about the brown kids that were trafficked by the thousands. You wonder why there are grooming gangs in the UK and the men there let it happen? Here you go. 

So Trump only rapes white girls?

[cyclone24 2,011]

2 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Good to know if you ever need a friend who will stand up for you, it’s not this guy  

No, no no by all means show us how it’s done. You’ve ran it all day about what a tough guy you are. And then when I ask you to show us and do it, you cow like a little girl. You don’t like how the police are doing it then why don’t you go? Show us an example? I think they’re all cowards? Go show us how you obstruct Federal agents then. 
 

You know you’re not going to because you’re a blow hard that’s full of crap… go away nerd

[Hardcore troubadour 16,310]

1 minute ago, cyclone24 said:

No, no no by all means show us how it’s done. You’ve ran it all day about what a tough guy you are. And then when I ask you to show us and do it, you cow like a little girl. You don’t like how the police are doing it then why don’t you go? Show us an example? I think they’re all cowards? Go show us how you obstruct Federal agents then. 
 

You know you’re not going to because you’re a blow hard that’s full of crap… go away nerd

They send mothers out to do the work. 

[nobody 3,005]

The other thing the left does wrong is there are far too many people like dogcows all over the place.  

With every absurd over exaggeration or blatant piece of spin, normies are going to tune out.  I mean even seafoam is smart enough to stop sabotaging the red team and is staying relatively quiet.  The blue team has an army of dogcows and squistions all over the place just motivating people to tune out by spamming nonsense.

Just have a little chill.  Be somewhat rationale.  People might listen.

[dogcows 1,516]

4 minutes ago, nobody said:

The other thing the left does wrong is there are far too many people like dogcows all over the place.  

With every absurd over exaggeration or blatant piece of spin, normies are going to tune out.  I mean even seafoam is smart enough to stop sabotaging the red team and is staying relatively quiet.  The blue team has an army of dogcows and squistions all over the place just motivating people to tune out by spamming nonsense.

Just have a little chill.  Be somewhat rationale.  People might listen.

You’re not a “normie” by any stretch of the imagination.

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18 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

Gosh, I’d say you have a very cavalier attitude about the lives of Americans who choose to interfere with federal agencies. 
Your leaders could’ve told them to go to the ballot box. Could’ve told them to go home and not interfere, but you did the exact opposite. 
You’re using these poor people as props to further an agenda and you know the language used is riling them up. That’s why places like Texas etc. deport twice as many people than Minneapolis, but don’t have nearly the problems. Gosh, I wonder why that is? 
 

Yeah, imagine the moral character you have to have to not stand for a kid with cancer or an angel mom or have 150 Democrats vote against the laken Reilly act.

So save me this moral high horse you guys are always on
 

Your first sentence a typo? Makes no sense.

I went to the ballot box, my "team" lost. C'est la vie. It happens. 

Nobody has told these people to interfere with lawful federal actions, in fact the opposite is true. The crux of the issue is that niggling "lawful" verbiage. When ICE repeatedly is shown to be acting unlawfully, outside the confines of law enforcement rules, guidelines, and law, in stark violation of the civil rights of the populace they are stationed amongst, then what? When ICE and CBP have been told it's fine to act with impunity toward their fellow Americans and follow through with according behavior, it gets noticed. Real American patriots recognize that and stand up to it. They begin protecting their neighbors, like good citizens. The same thing would happen in whatever little hamlet you call home, I'm sure. Let's hope you never have the chance to see it up close like the good people of MN.

I'm not a politician, your statements about angel moms and Laken Reilly mean nothing to me. What happened to them was shameful and wrong, but let's not pretend it justifies this. 

I'm very comfortable that I'm on the moral high ground here. If that means putting myself in danger to protect an innocent person from unlawful beatings or murder, then I'll do that. I'd rather not, and won't look for trouble, but that's kinda what it's supposed to mean to be an American. 

[cyclone24 2,011]

4 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Your first sentence a typo? Makes no sense.

I went to the ballot box, my "team" lost. C'est la vie. It happens. 

Nobody has told these people to interfere with lawful federal actions, in fact the opposite is true. The crux of the issue is that niggling "lawful" verbiage. When ICE repeatedly is shown to be acting unlawfully, outside the confines of law enforcement rules, guidelines, and law, in stark violation of the civil rights of the populace they are stationed amongst, then what? When ICE and CBP have been told it's fine to act with impunity toward their fellow Americans and follow through with according behavior, it gets noticed. Real American patriots recognize that and stand up to it. They begin protecting their neighbors, like good citizens. The same thing would happen in whatever little hamlet you call home, I'm sure. Let's hope you never have the chance to see it up close like the good people of MN.

I'm not a politician, your statements about angel moms and Laken Reilly mean nothing to me. What happened to them was shameful and wrong, but let's not pretend it justifies this. 

I'm very comfortable that I'm on the moral high ground here. If that means putting myself in danger to protect an innocent person from unlawful beatings or murder, then I'll do that. I'd rather not, and won't look for trouble, but that's kinda what it's supposed to mean to be an American. 

So then you agree that the leaders of the left should be telling these people that are like this gentleman who got shot and the poet who was obstructing vehicles with a car that they are wrong correct?

they are not operating out of line. They are removing illegal people and criminals. They are lawful federal orders and the court has said so.

The only people breaking laws are these rioters, interjecting themselves in the middle of federal activities. That’s it.  
 

Let’s just call it what it is. When Obama was hanging medals around Homan’s neck, you guys didn’t say a word. (and I’ll just give you a little hint. I’m leading you as a witness.)
 

[cyclone24 2,011]

22 minutes ago, nobody said:

The other thing the left does wrong is there are far too many people like dogcows all over the place.  

With every absurd over exaggeration or blatant piece of spin, normies are going to tune out.  I mean even seafoam is smart enough to stop sabotaging the red team and is staying relatively quiet.  The blue team has an army of dogcows and squistions all over the place just motivating people to tune out by spamming nonsense.

Just have a little chill.  Be somewhat rationale.  People might listen.

They think because they’re yelling loud and has blue hair and that they’re operating off of feelings that they are in the majority. Most of the country thinks they are buffoons.
 

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4 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

1.So then you agree that the leaders of the left should be telling these people that are like this gentleman who got shot and the poet who was obstructing vehicles with a car that they are wrong correct?

2.they are not operating out of line. They are removing illegal people and criminals. They are lawful federal orders and the court has said so.

3.The only people breaking laws are these rioters, interjecting themselves in the middle of federal activities. That’s it.  
 

4.Let’s just call it what it is. When Obama was hanging medals around Homan’s neck, you guys didn’t say a word. (and I’ll just give you a little hint. I’m leading you as a witness.)
 

1. They have encouraged people to not intervene in the operations of ICE. Over and over and over.

2. ICE absolutely IS acting out of line. If you aren't aware of that, I can't help you, you don't want to be aware of it.

3. Absolutely not true.

4. IDGAF about Obama and Homan and what they did 15 years ago or whatever. Irrelevant to today. Sustained. Your questioning is out of line, counselor.

I'm happy to provide links supporting the above, but am thoroughly convinced it would be a waste of my time.

[cyclone24 2,011]

Just now, Fnord said:

1. They have encouraged people to not intervene in the operations of ICE. Over and over and over.

2. ICE absolutely IS acting out of line. If you aren't aware of that, I can't help you, you don't want to be aware of it.

3. Absolutely not true.

4. IDGAF about Obama and Homan and what they did 15 years ago or whatever. Irrelevant to today. Sustained. Your questioning is out of line, counselor.

I'm happy to provide links supporting the above, but am thoroughly convinced it would be a waste of my time.

1. Yeah, well considering a rock got thrown and hit an eight year-old in the skull on a school bus, we had an officer get his finger bit off, hit with vehicles and assaulted. I think that memo isn’t getting out there very well. Happens when your leaders encourage violence.
 

2. Nope. They’re enforcing federal laws. You’re not liking the laws doesn’t mean they are out of line.
 

3. Still no. Are conservatives coming up and causing problems. I’m unaware of? They are not. So really you’re just talking ice since your cops won’t help as ordered. And no, they haven’t done it yet.
 

4. Your Honor it’s pertinent to the line of questioning. You’re literally sending him death threats now and you all applauded him when it was Obama. Seems irrelevant to the case.

Even old Somalian waltz, and all of his fraud are even coming around to calling the president. He knows he will have to back down.

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5 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

1. Yeah, well considering a rock got thrown and hit an eight year-old in the skull on a school bus, we had an officer get his finger bit off, hit with vehicles and assaulted. I think that memo isn’t getting out there very well. Happens when your leaders encourage violence.
 

2. Nope. They’re enforcing federal laws. You’re not liking the laws doesn’t mean they are out of line.
 

3. Still no. Are conservatives coming up and causing problems. I’m unaware of? They are not. So really you’re just talking ice since your cops won’t help as ordered. And no, they haven’t done it yet.
 

4. Your Honor it’s pertinent to the line of questioning. You’re literally sending him death threats now and you all applauded him when it was Obama. Seems irrelevant to the case.

Even old Somalian waltz, and all of his fraud are even coming around to calling the president. He knows he will have to back down.

You're not worth talking to about this anymore. You're locked in and don't care about what's going on, or what will occur 6 months or a year from now. You just need to feel good about "winning."

And that's fine, it's your prerogative and I'm not slamming you for it. But you're literally not even comprehending what I'm saying. If we were talking in person, you'd just be pretending to listen while you waited to say your next statement. 

Have a good day, and thanks for the respectful convo. At least we were able to avoid calling each other names. Progress!

[cyclone24 2,011]

3 minutes ago, Fnord said:

You're not worth talking to about this anymore. You're locked in and don't care about what's going on, or what will occur 6 months or a year from now. You just need to feel good about "winning."

And that's fine, it's your prerogative and I'm not slamming you for it. But you're literally not even comprehending what I'm saying. If we were talking in person, you'd just be pretending to listen while you waited to say your next statement. 

Have a good day, and thanks for the respectful convo. At least we were able to avoid calling each other names. Progress!

No, I just think your view of reality in these cases is an ocean from where most people are. 
 

You look at the shooting first and go with that outrage. Most people look at well why did he feel the need he had to do that which is why in many of these posts not just with you but other liberals we have to point out yeah and what were they doing right before that and right before that and right before that. 
There’s like all these sometimes felonious way points. you guys like to leave out
 

 

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1 minute ago, cyclone24 said:

No, I just think your view of reality in these cases is an ocean from where most people are. 
 

You look at the shooting first and go with that outrage. Most people look at well why did he feel the need he had to do that which is why in many of these posts not just with you but other liberals we have to point out yeah and what were they doing right before that and right before that and right before that. 
There’s like all these sometimes felonious way points. you guys like to leave out

Sure. I think you misjudge where most people "are" on this, given your location and preferences of media. Agree to disagree.

[TimHauck 3,571]

1 hour ago, cyclone24 said:

Do you guys have a brain in your head? I’ve said it multiple times. Do you want a peacefully protest on the sidewalk? Knock yourselves out. You’re not preventing anything but go ahead.

That’s not what this guy is doing nor what many of them are doing. Yes, if you interfere with them and they shoot you, I’m not going to lose a minute sleep over it.

Like I said. I’m standing up for Laken Reilly. You’re standing up for the guy that killed her not being removed. I’m perfectly OK being on this side.

 

On 10/13/2025 at 10:50 AM, TimHauck said:

I don’t think Laken Riley’s parents would appreciate that an illegal immigrant convicted human trafficker was allowed on the streets to testify against Abrego Garcia for a lesser crime than human trafficking.

 

[TimHauck 3,571]

1 hour ago, nobody said:

Left needs better martyrs. It's almost always some drug dealer or pedo or career criminal or someone doing something foolish.  I guess the problem is a beautiful 24 year old woman top scholar getting a medical degree in oncology while spending weekends volunteering at an animal shelter has got better things to do than scream in the face of ICE agents

But this Alex guy was about as good as they could hope for.  That's why they keep latching on to the ICU nurse thing.

It's a great piece of propaganda.  ICU nurse saving lives and veterans brutally gunned down for no reason in the streets of Minneapolis by gestapo ICE thugs.

If he was better looking and younger and didn't bring the gun, he'd get a lot more traction, but then again, if he didn't bring the gun, he'd also probably still be alive since the presence of the weapon heightened tensions and the accidental discharge of his weapon precipitated the unfortunate shooting.  Not justifiably, but his gun helped contribute to his shooting.

I’m still not convinced it was his gun that fired 

[TimHauck 3,571]

1 hour ago, cyclone24 said:

Do you guys have a brain in your head? I’ve said it multiple times. Do you want a peacefully protest on the sidewalk? Knock yourselves out. You’re not preventing anything but go ahead.

That’s not what this guy is doing nor what many of them are doing. Yes, if you interfere with them and they shoot you, I’m not going to lose a minute sleep over it.

Like I said. I’m standing up for Laken Reilly. You’re standing up for the guy that killed her not being removed. I’m perfectly OK being on this side.

Define “interfere.”  Honking?  Yelling?  Is that interfering?  OK to shoot them for that?

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5 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I’m still not convinced it was his gun that fired 

I don't think it was. The video is tough to make out, but I've seen reporting indicating that the agent that took the gun was not the agent that fired the first shot.

[cyclone24 2,011]

3 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Define “interfere.”  Honking?  Yelling?  Is that interfering?  OK to shoot them for that?

I wouldn’t do it because it’s moronic and in general you’re agitating people with guns. 
 

And there’s just no endgame to it. They’re not going to leave and you’re just going to get yourself arrested or worse. 
 

And both people shot were not just merely doing that

[TimHauck 3,571]

1 minute ago, cyclone24 said:

I wouldn’t do it because it’s moronic and in general you’re agitating people with guns. 
 

And there’s just no endgame to it. They’re not going to leave and you’re just going to get yourself arrested or worse. 
 

And both people shot were not just merely doing that

Well he wasn’t throwing anything either yet you felt the need to bring that into the discussion.

[League Champion 1,998]

Just now, Fnord said:

I don't think it was. The video is tough to make out, but I've seen reporting indicating that the agent that took the gun was not the agent that fired the first shot.

It was Pretti's gun for sure. 

The officer took it from him and it accidentally discharged into the pavement. You can clearly see the action, it fired 100%. 

Sig's are known for accidental discharges. 

[TimHauck 3,571]

2 minutes ago, League Champion said:

It was Pretti's gun for sure. 

The officer took it from him and it accidentally discharged into the pavement. You can clearly see the action, it fired 100%. 

Sig's are known for accidental discharges. 

You can see it firing into the pavement?  Link?

[League Champion 1,998]

Just now, TimHauck said:

You can see it firing into the pavement?  Link?

Matt Morse TV

He played a slowed down version. You can clearly see the action, the round went into the pavement as the Agent was walking away. 

Go look at the closeup, you'll see it as the Agent gets up