tanatastic 2,061 Posted May 19, 2015 http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/0ap3000000493347/article/nfl-moves-pats-to-the-15yard-line-2point-conversions-to-2 I like the change. It will maybe lead to more teams going for 2. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vikings4ever 496 Posted May 19, 2015 Dumb. Moving it back to the 15 still gives like a 96% chance of making it. If they'd really wanted a change, they should have moved it up to the 1. No difference when kicking the PAT, but would have motivated teams to try for 2 more often. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerkStore 13 Posted May 19, 2015 Lame. I guess no more option to fake a PAT and get a 2 pointer. Admittedly, that was a very rare thing, but it will be a lot harder now (assuming they are allowed to do so from the 15 on a PAT). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flyfreak 84 Posted May 19, 2015 i can't wait until the pats kick it from the 13 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Djgb13 2,338 Posted May 20, 2015 I hear the eagles will be going for 2 every time this year with their new secret weapon....TEBOW Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
petekrum 20 Posted May 20, 2015 Lame. I guess no more option to fake a PAT and get a 2 pointer. Admittedly, that was a very rare thing, but it will be a lot harder now (assuming they are allowed to do so from the 15 on a PAT). I don't think I've ever seen this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bishop82 61 Posted May 20, 2015 Can you still do the Doug Flutie Drop kick? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerkStore 13 Posted May 20, 2015 I don't think I've ever seen this. Rare, but it has happened a few times: http://www.stlouisrams.com/videos/videos/Johnny-Hekker-Fakes-PAT/045a14ff-7ca1-4fb5-93b5-1296c7c6cf42 http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-fantasy/09000d5d822228cb/K-Koch-2-point-conversion-run Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
giraldi02 470 Posted May 22, 2015 Can you still do the Doug Flutie Drop kick? Yes. But it has to be from the 15. Which essentially means that Flutie was the final person we'll ever see attempt and successfully convert a drop kick. Barring multiple penalties by the defense to get at normal drop kick range. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iam90sbaby 2,125 Posted May 22, 2015 I bet there are a lot more QB kneels in late game situations for teams in the lead. Imagine your up by 3 after the touchdown why take a risk and give the other team a chance to score 2? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,460 Posted May 23, 2015 I bet there are a lot more QB kneels in late game situations for teams in the lead. Imagine your up by 3 after the touchdown why take a risk and give the other team a chance to score 2? Go for two 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
giraldi02 470 Posted May 23, 2015 Go for two His point is that a 32 yard field goal attempt or a goal line play from the two now has the chance to backfire without any time coming off the clock. I guarantee a coach like Belichick will do this at some point in the season. Particularly if there's inclimate weather. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
giraldi02 470 Posted May 23, 2015 An example:If a team scores a touchdown and is up by four with 30 seconds left in the game.You can kick the extra point and go up by fiveYou can go for two to go up by 6Either one of these scenarios still has you trail if the opposing team scores a touchdown if you convert.BUT: If you botch the snap, or fumble the ball, or throw an interception and the other team runs it back, now you're up by 2, there's 30 seconds left, and a field goal could win the game for the other team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,460 Posted May 23, 2015 An example: If a team scores a touchdown and is up by four with 30 seconds left in the game. You can kick the extra point and go up by five You can go for two to go up by 6 Either one of these scenarios still has you trail if the opposing team scores a touchdown if you convert. BUT: If you botch the snap, or fumble the ball, or throw an interception and the other team runs it back, now you're up by 2, there's 30 seconds left, and a field goal could win the game for the other team. It's a interesting change to the game . I like the new system . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
giraldi02 470 Posted May 23, 2015 It's a interesting change to the game . I like the new system . I don't understand for the life of me why the NFL hasn't allowed the defensive teams to be able to score on those conversions in the past. The reason people dog it on those is because there's no incentive for the defense (for the most part). I love it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iam90sbaby 2,125 Posted May 23, 2015 I just got a feeling once a team loses a big game because they didn't kneel it will become the custom to take a knee. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 4,560 Posted May 25, 2015 An example: If a team scores a touchdown and is up by four with 30 seconds left in the game. You can kick the extra point and go up by five You can go for two to go up by 6 Either one of these scenarios still has you trail if the opposing team scores a touchdown if you convert. BUT: If you botch the snap, or fumble the ball, or throw an interception and the other team runs it back, now you're up by 2, there's 30 seconds left, and a field goal could win the game for the other team. Your post is giving me flashbacks. This sounds like the exact sort of boneheaded scenario the anti-clutch Scott Mitchell would have discovered when he was unearthing every jawdropping method possible in order to snatch late 4th quarter defeat from the jaws of victory during the Barry years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thePRO 78 Posted May 25, 2015 I bet there are a lot more QB kneels in late game situations for teams in the lead. Imagine your up by 3 after the touchdown why take a risk and give the other team a chance to score 2?Seriously? Every NFL team will kick it every time. It has a 96% success rate. You kneel and you give the team a chance to tie it up. Going for 2 has less of a success rate. You kick the PAT no question about it and go up by 4. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thePRO 78 Posted May 25, 2015 His point is that a 32 yard field goal attempt or a goal line play from the two now has the chance to backfire without any time coming off the clock. I guarantee a coach like Belichick will do this at some point in the season. Particularly if there's inclimate weather. Ok, if there's inclimate weather then they won't kick a PAT. But who the hell would choose to take 0 points there? If anything they'd go for 2. A safe run up the middle or some kind of spread offense/qb sneak, but no way do you just forfeit a chance for extra point(s). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,460 Posted May 25, 2015 Ok, if there's inclimate weather then they won't kick a PAT. But who the hell would choose to take 0 points there? If anything they'd go for 2. A safe run up the middle or some kind of spread offense/qb sneak, but no way do you just forfeit a chance for extra point(s). Agree , why would you just flop . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GreenTD 56 Posted May 26, 2015 Agree , why would you just flop . Read the rule change. It states if the defense returns a PAT or 2-point conversion for a touchdown then they will get awarded 2 points now. Giraldi02 provided a good example of why teams may choose to kneel on it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
giraldi02 470 Posted May 26, 2015 Ok, if there's inclimate weather then they won't kick a PAT. But who the hell would choose to take 0 points there? If anything they'd go for 2. A safe run up the middle or some kind of spread offense/qb sneak, but no way do you just forfeit a chance for extra point(s). Agree , why would you just flop . Here's why: https://www.youtube.com/embed/5gp0uKHdvA8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,460 Posted May 26, 2015 Read the rule change. It states if the defense returns a PAT or 2-point conversion for a touchdown then they will get awarded 2 points now. Giraldi02 provided a good example of why teams may choose to kneel on it. How many times does a team return 90 plus yard fumbles or ints all the way , I would say not to many . Naw I would go for the two . And I think you will see it more often this season . Now going for the extra point I would not do , that would seem to have a lot more chance of being return for the two points . So put into that position I would go for the two pointer and pass on the exp . Thank you Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,460 Posted May 26, 2015 Here's why: https://www.youtube.com/embed/5gp0uKHdvA8 Going for the two but I would pass on the extra point att . Can't wait to see how it plays out , I like the rule change . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
giraldi02 470 Posted May 26, 2015 Going for the two but I would pass on the extra point att . Funny thing actually that seemingly gets zero coverage: The team kicking the PAT can now line up on the left or right hashmarks with this rule change. Could make for a team that does something sneaky with their formation (again, hello Belichick) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,460 Posted May 26, 2015 Funny thing actually that seemingly gets zero coverage: The team kicking the PAT can now line up on the left or right hashmarks with this rule change. Could make for a team that does something sneaky with their formation (again, hello Belichick) It sure is going to make watching the extra point late in the game more exciting . Can't wait to see what happens when this comes up , I'm sure everyone one will have their own plan . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites