Chester Taylor 2008 = Ladell Betts 2007

[Gepetto 1,467]

As an Adrian Peterson owner, I missed out on Chester Taylor. I'm not too concerned really. If you look at what Chester Taylor did in Baltimore and what he did last year when ADP was not hurt, even in ppr he didn't play at a RB2 level. As long as I have other Running Backs that can fill in decently, if Adrian Peterson were to get hurt it won't matter. I think Chester Taylor racks up 6 to 10 points most games in ppr league all year, giving him only about 120 - 140 fantasy points.

[seattleslew 0]

As an Adrian Peterson owner, I missed out on Chester Taylor. I'm not too concerned really. If you look at what Chester Taylor did in Baltimore and what he did last year when ADP was not hurt, even in ppr he didn't play at a RB2 level. As long as I have other Running Backs that can fill in decently, if Adrian Peterson were to get hurt it won't matter. I think Chester Taylor racks up 6 to 10 points most games in ppr league all year, giving him only about 120 - 140 fantasy points.

 

Sounds like you're trying to convince yourself lol

 

You shouldn't reach for a backup RB just because you have the starter. But if AD goes down, Taylor is a gold mine behind that O-line and 5 yard per carry average and you're nuts to completely "not draft him"

[Vikings4ever 570]

You don't take Taylor for what he does when AD's healthy, you take him for his production if AD does get hurt.

 

In the 2 games AD missed, Taylor put up 291 yards, 5 receptions, and 4 TDs.

[kutulu 1,722]

You don't take Taylor for what he does when AD's healthy, you take him for his production if AD does get hurt.

 

In the 2 games AD missed, Taylor put up 291 yards, 5 receptions, and 4 TDs.

 

 

Do you happen to know Chester's conract staus? Any idea if he might be running for a different team next year?

[Gepetto 1,467]

You don't take Taylor for what he does when AD's healthy, you take him for his production if AD does get hurt.

 

In the 2 games AD missed, Taylor put up 291 yards, 5 receptions, and 4 TDs.

 

OK, so what about other runningbacks drafted in the 1st round. Should everyone handcuff their runningbacks. What if I had drafted Brian Westbrook. Then Buckhalter and/or Lorenzo Booker would take over if he got hurt. I know they won't produce like Chester Taylor if ADP gets hurt, but the point is all of the other drafters won't be getting a back up that can fill in nicely if their first round running back gets hurt either. I think any other running back can get hurt just as easily as ADP. Plus taking Chester Taylor in the 7th round makes your other starters weaker and takes up another roster spot.

[DexterMorgan 5]

I seem to remember Chester helping me on my winning streak last year when AP was hurt

 

week 11; 164 yds 3 TD

week 12; 77 yds 1 TD

week 13; 70 yds 1 TD

week 14; 101 yds 1 TD

 

Seems a little better than RB2 to me

[coyote-kid 0]

OK, so what about other runningbacks drafted in the 1st round. Should everyone handcuff their runningbacks. What if I had drafted Brian Westbrook. Then Buckhalter and/or Lorenzo Booker would take over if he got hurt. I know they won't produce like Chester Taylor if ADP gets hurt, but the point is all of the other drafters won't be getting a back up that can fill in nicely if their first round running back gets hurt either. I think any other running back can get hurt just as easily as ADP. Plus taking Chester Taylor in the 7th round makes your other starters weaker and takes up another roster spot.

 

You can't take AD without backing him up, because odds are he will go down.

Now it is obvious at this point that the offensive line is one of the best, and makes

me think I might get a 100 running behind them...

 

Chester is da man if/when AD goes down.

[Vikings4ever 570]

Do you happen to know Chester's conract staus? Any idea if he might be running for a different team next year?

He's signed through next year, so I wouldn't be surprised if the Vikes tried to deal him next off season for a draft pick.

[Vikings4ever 570]

OK, so what about other runningbacks drafted in the 1st round. Should everyone handcuff their runningbacks. What if I had drafted Brian Westbrook. Then Buckhalter and/or Lorenzo Booker would take over if he got hurt. I know they won't produce like Chester Taylor if ADP gets hurt, but the point is all of the other drafters won't be getting a back up that can fill in nicely if their first round running back gets hurt either. I think any other running back can get hurt just as easily as ADP. Plus taking Chester Taylor in the 7th round makes your other starters weaker and takes up another roster spot.

AD/Taylor is about the only 1 round combo that has the injury risk of AD, and the proven upside of Taylor (although Portis/Betts may come close).

 

By the time you're in the 7th round, you're generally already looking at backups (except kickers, defenses, maybe TEs, and sometimes QBs). If you need a backup RB at that point, you're looking at RBs who are backups on their own teams (Chester/Fred Taylor, Mendenhall, DeAngelo Williams), or VERY low end starters (Forte, Kevin Smith), or RBs who are stuck in RBBC situations (Ahman Green, Julius Jones, most likely Selvin Young).

 

It's all about risk/reward. Do you want to gamble your first rounder will stay healthy, and try to grab another backup in the hopes he'll produce, or do you go the safe route and secure a team's running situation?

[Gepetto 1,467]

I seem to remember Chester helping me on my winning streak last year when AP was hurt

 

week 11; 164 yds 3 TD

week 12; 77 yds 1 TD

week 13; 70 yds 1 TD

week 14; 101 yds 1 TD

 

Seems a little better than RB2 to me

 

Try reading comprehension. I said that's what I expect and that's when Chester Taylor is not starting.

[Gepetto 1,467]

Hey idiot. It all depends on who the backup is. yes I would draft Correll B. And yes I would draft Chester Taylor. In fact, for any top ten back, I would handcuff with selections in the late rounds. Why not to be safe?

 

Nice try but you obviously feel a little insecure by missing out on Chester.

 

:reported:

[Gepetto 1,467]

This Chester Taylor loves reminds me a lot of the Ladell Betts love last year. Everyone and their mother said you have to take Ladell Betts in the 6th round if you draft Clinton Portis. We all know how that turned out.

 

Chester Taylor is the clear backup. Adrian Peterson is the clear starter and possibly the best running back in the league now or maybe ever when it's all said and done. Unless ADP gets hurt early in the year and is out for the year, I'm not wasting a draft spot or roster spot on a backup who won't contribute to my team. If ADP gets hurt for 2-3 or even 4 games, I'm not drafting a player for only 2-4 games. Brandon Marshall is falling in drafts and he's still expected to play 13-14 games.

 

 

This reminds me of Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson, except everyone is confusing ADP with Priest Holmes. ADP ~ Larry Johnson. As Chester Taylor ~ Priest Holmes.

 

ADP is the young poweful fast back and Chester Taylor is getting older.

 

And ADP >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. Chester Taylor

while

Larry Johnson >>> Priest Holmes

 

 

 

---------------------------------

 

 

All good points.

[DexterMorgan 5]

Try reading comprehension. I said that's what I expect and that's when Chester Taylor is not starting.

 

You dont draft him to start, you draft him as a handcuff, and AP was starting 2 of the games i listed

[Vikings4ever 570]

This reminds me of Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson, except everyone is confusing ADP with Priest Holmes. ADP ~ Larry Johnson. As Chester Taylor ~ Priest Holmes.

 

ADP is the young poweful fast back and Chester Taylor is getting older.

 

And ADP >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. Chester Taylor

while

Larry Johnson >>> Priest Holmes

---------------------------------

All good points.

And look at what happened after Priest was replace, and LJ went does with injuries. In 2004, Priest was putting up monster numbers when he consistently got the ball. In 2005, he put up respectable numbers.

[Gepetto 1,467]

And look at what happened after Priest was replace, and LJ went does with injuries. In 2004, Priest was putting up monster numbers when he consistently got the ball. In 2005, he put up respectable numbers.

 

Chester Taylor put up respectable numbers last year and great numbers the year before. What did Priest do in 2006?

[Vikings4ever 570]

Chester Taylor put up respectable numbers last year and great numbers the year before. What did Priest do in 2006?

And Taylor was the starter in 2006, before he got replaced.

 

Priest didn't play. He was hurt.

 

But Priest's also 6 years older, and had a lot more wear and tear than Taylor (900 carries and 150 receptions).

[pimptastic69 0]

I don't think you can compare ADP/Taylor to Portis/Betts. Portis wasn't the #1 or #2 overall pick. My compiler rankings from last year had Betts ranked higher than Portis. I think the general consensus was that the 2 would share carries equally. As it turned out, Portis finished top 10 and Betts finished on a milk carton.

 

Normally I would rather have a 2nd rate starter as a "handcuff", but by locking up Taylor with ADP, you almost have a guarantee for 1500 yards and 15 TDs from one position. You can't say that for any other RB combo.

[Belushi 9]

I can't believe this discussion is still going on. Of course you take Chester Taylor, whether you have ADP or not. Look at the other options at that point in the draft. Who else has the potential to come in and put up big numbers on a team with a great o-line, defence, and terrible passing game? His upside is huge, and he plays behind a guy that seems to get dinged up allot. This isn't comparable to other situations. You have to look at what will happen in this case if ADP gets hurt. When you do, it's obvious that Taylor has big upside. Sure, he might sit all year and you wasted a draft pick. But compared to the other guys availabel at that point, it's a good gamble to make.

[16 and 33 0]

We ain't building rockets around here.

 

Any RB you take in the 7th, 8th or 9th carries risk and question.

 

Few (if any) will be instant studs if the starter gets hurt.

 

Will he have the same production as 2007 or will he be LaDell Betts, with under 90 carries. Could go either way - and you draft him with confidence knowing that. It's a slight risk with huge upside, pull the trigger.

[Gepetto 1,467]

I can't believe this discussion is still going on. Of course you take Chester Taylor, whether you have ADP or not. Look at the other options at that point in the draft. Who else has the potential to come in and put up big numbers on a team with a great o-line, defence, and terrible passing game? His upside is huge, and he plays behind a guy that seems to get dinged up allot. This isn't comparable to other situations. You have to look at what will happen in this case if ADP gets hurt. When you do, it's obvious that Taylor has big upside. Sure, he might sit all year and you wasted a draft pick. But compared to the other guys availabel at that point, it's a good gamble to make.

 

Fred Taylor

Kevin Smith (if he falls)

Chris Johnson

Felix Jones

Rashard Mendenhall

DeAngelo Williams

Ricky Williams

Chris Perry

not to mention all the good receivers (Berrian, maybe Coles, maybe Cotchery, possibly Lee Evans, Santana Moss, Joey Galloway, Burleson, and others) and quarterbacks (Garrard, Cutler, Favre, others) still available.

[Vikings4ever 570]

Fred Taylor

Kevin Smith (if he falls)

Chris Johnson

Felix Jones

Rashard Mendenhall

DeAngelo Williams

Ricky Williams

Chris Perry

not to mention all the good receivers (Berrian, maybe Coles, maybe Cotchery, possibly Lee Evans, Santana Moss, Joey Galloway, Burleson, and others) and quarterbacks (Garrard, Cutler, Favre, others) still available.

Old, fragile, will get more points week in and week out, but doesn't have Chester's upside

Unproven rookie

Unproven rookie (backup)

See above

See above

Probable backup, hasn't proven anything

Horrible team, can't stay off the weed, probable backup (or RBBC)

Hasn't proven anything, 3rd stringer

 

IMHO, you have to have at least 3 RBs in the first 7 rounds. Unless you've already taken 3 in the first 6 rounds, Taylor's as good a 7th round RB as you're going to find.

[coyote-kid 0]

I am another that can't believe this topic is still hot!!

 

Why?

 

You either believe in handcuffing or you don't!

 

I give, because I realize you don't believe in it. Fine.

 

Now can we move on?

[VaTerp 0]

Terrible comparison.

 

I wouldnt say its an absolute must for the ADP owner to get Taylor but its defintely a good idea. And Taylor has value for ANY owner once you get into the 7th round.

 

You can come up with reasons "not to draft" just about every player out there but this is a terrible comparison and sounds more like a thread based on somebody trying to justify why they didnt get Taylor instead of any logical thinking.

[seattleslew 0]

Comparing Chester Taylor to Ladell Betts and Correll Buckhalter??

 

Not all backups are created equal.

 

I don't like reaching for handcuffs, but there are some times when handcuffs are a KNOWN commodity. Priest-LJ ring a bell? By your logic you shouldn't draft LJ for the same reason you wouldn't draft Buckhalter, even though LJ and the Chiefs O-line was a known commodity. Taylor has proven he can start and play well (started the whole year in '06 before AD). And like LJ he has a Pro Bowl O-line.

[Gepetto 1,467]

Terrible comparison.

 

I wouldnt say its an absolute must for the ADP owner to get Taylor but its defintely a good idea. And Taylor has value for ANY owner once you get into the 7th round.

 

You can come up with reasons "not to draft" just about every player out there but this is a terrible comparison and sounds more like a thread based on somebody trying to justify why they didnt get Taylor instead of any logical thinking.

 

From what I remember, there were a lot of people that play fantasy football and including many on this site who said you have to draft Ladell Betts if you draft Clinton Portis and some said you have to take Betts as high as 6th, 5th, or even 4th round. It seems comparable to me b/c Chester Taylor is going in the 7th round in 12 team drafts. In my league we start 1 RB, 3 WR, 2 FLEX, and a TE. I just don't think it's worth grabbing a handcuff if I can get better players that I'll start from the 1st 7 or 8 rounds.

 

I do sort of wish I had him, but before the draft I made a decision that I wouldn't take him earlier than I thought he was worth and not before a starting WR3 a tight end (Witten), a QB (Palmer) or runningbacks I can play at RB1, FLEX1, and FLEX2.

[Gepetto 1,467]

Comparing Chester Taylor to Ladell Betts and Correll Buckhalter??

 

Not all backups are created equal.

 

I don't like reaching for handcuffs, but there are some times when handcuffs are a KNOWN commodity. Priest-LJ ring a bell? By your logic you shouldn't draft LJ for the same reason you wouldn't draft Buckhalter, even though LJ and the Chiefs O-line was a known commodity. Taylor has proven he can start and play well (started the whole year in '06 before AD). And like LJ he has a Pro Bowl O-line.

 

You say my comparison to Betts is bad, yet you compare Chester to Larry Johnson.

[VaTerp 0]

From what I remember, there were a lot of people that play fantasy football and including many on this site who said you have to draft Ladell Betts if you draft Clinton Portis and some said you have to take Betts as high as 6th, 5th, or even 4th round. It seems comparable to me b/c Chester Taylor is going in the 7th round in 12 team drafts. In my league we start 1 RB, 3 WR, 2 FLEX, and a TE. I just don't think it's worth grabbing a handcuff if I can get better players that I'll start from the 1st 7 or 8 rounds.

 

I do sort of wish I had him, but before the draft I made a decision that I wouldn't take him earlier than I thought he was worth and not before a starting WR3 a tight end (Witten), a QB (Palmer) or runningbacks I can play at RB1, FLEX1, and FLEX2.

 

Yes, I remember those quite well as I was one of the most vocal Portis supporters last year and talked about how Betts was being ridiculously overhyped. Perhaps saying terrible comparison was an overstatement but I think there are major differences here.

 

1) Minny's run game is a more attractive situation b/c they have a better O-line and they are built to run the ball more than the Skins were. So even if ADP stays healthy all year Taylor is likely to get more carries than Betts did.

 

2) IMO Portis' injury history/status was way overblown and ADP is more of an injury risk due to history/style of running.

 

3) Taylor simply offers more than Betts. He was signed to be the starter before ADP fell into Minny's lap. Betts has never really been considered a starter which is why he signed to stay as a backup when he was a FA. In a backup role last year Taylor had 7 rushing TDs. The same as Betts has had in the last 4 years combined.

 

If there are other needs that your team needed to address then thats fine. But Taylor has value for the ADP owner or anyone else.

 

ETA- Also I think the whole mindset was different when talking about Betts last year. Many were saying that it would be a near 50/50 split of carries and some idiots even went as far as to say that Betts was the better RB. Portis fell into the 3rd and even 4th rounds in a lot of drafts.

 

With Peterson you are talking about prolly the 1st or 2nd overall pick. Nobody thinks Taylor is in the same league as far as talent but he is a damn good insurance policy for the cornerstone of your FF team. Or a pretty good trade bait/ upside pick for other owners.

[Gepetto 1,467]

Yes, I remember those quite well as I was one of the most vocal Portis supporters last year and talked about how Betts was being ridiculously overhyped. Perhaps saying terrible comparison was an overstatement but I think there are major differences here.

 

1) Minny's run game is a more attractive situation b/c they have a better O-line and they are built to run the ball more than the Skins were. So even if ADP stays healthy all year Taylor is likely to get more carries than Betts did.

 

2) IMO Portis' injury history/status was way overblown and ADP is more of an injury risk due to history/style of running.

 

3) Taylor simply offers more than Betts. He was signed to be the starter before ADP fell into Minny's lap. Betts has never really been considered a starter which is why he signed to stay as a backup when he was a FA. In a backup role last year Taylor had 7 rushing TDs. The same as Betts has had in the last 4 years combined.

 

If there are other needs that your team needed to address then thats fine. But Taylor has value for the ADP owner or anyone else.

 

ETA- Also I think the whole mindset was different when talking about Betts last year. Many were saying that it would be a near 50/50 split of carries and some idiots even went as far as to say that Betts was the better RB. Portis fell into the 3rd and even 4th rounds in a lot of drafts.

 

With Peterson you are talking about prolly the 1st or 2nd overall pick. Nobody thinks Taylor is in the same league as far as talent but he is a damn good insurance policy for the cornerstone of your FF team. Or a pretty good trade bait/ upside pick for other owners.

 

Good response, and fair.

[9-Route 0]

there is no formula to these 'handcuffs' and 'insurance policies'. ffers can only try to predict based upon prior data.

 

portis had been pretty durable, but got hurt, and his backup, betts, posted nice 1100/5 stats. the following yr, based upon proven stats, we drafted betts in rd8.

 

holmes was dominating behind a superior line and posting obscene stats. we saw larry johnson, but first, even derrick blaylock post the same stats, telling us it was a "plug-and-chug" system. we bantered and drafted johnson ni the 4th, 6th, 8th, etc rds and saw the same stats.

 

i remember when kurt warner destroyed fantasy with his mvp/41TD yr, averaging 25PPG; the following season, he missed 5 games, and trent green came in and averaged the same 25 PPG. the very next season? you bet, based upon proven stats, we all jumped trent green in the 7th, 9th, etc rds.

 

peterson exploded onto the scene last yr, using that highly advertised and criticized o-line to post big time stats. we've seen a lesser talent in chester taylor use that same line to post at least 1200-6 the previous yr; last season, he "plugged-and-chugged" to the tune of ~400/6 during peterson's absence.

 

once again, we have some proven stats, but whether his selectors will get yield this yr is cloudy.

 

 

i was one of the guys who drafted betts in 3 drafts hoping for a portis injury---it never happened, but i was prepared; i was the guy who drafted warner the yr he missed 5 games, and did not have trent green to continue my 25PPG---it happened, and i was not prepared; i was also one of the guys who drafted larry johnson in the 4th and 6th rds in 3 drafts, hoping for a holmes injury, got laughed at, but cashed in the 1700/20 at the SB finish lines---it happened, and i was prepared.

[DamageIncVacc 6]

I am going to be drafting Peterson but I have not intention of wasting an early pick on Chester BUT no way do i compare him to Betts or say his numbers are like a #2 back. Even with Peterson healthy he gets the 3rd down and passing situations an still gtes 10 carries a game . he probally wil touch the ball 15 times a game. He might touch the ball as much as Reggie Bush or darren mcfaddden (this eyar) hes a decent low low #2 when peterson is healthy and a loew end #1 if peterson is hurt. Chester is a good RB in his own right. I just dont think hes the must draft for the Peterson woner BUT is a must draft in Fantasy Football.

[Four More Beers 0]

Old, fragile, will get more points week in and week out, but doesn't have Chester's upside

 

Fred Taylor doesn't have Chester Taylor's upside? Please tell me you're high. Chester needs Peterson to miss the whole season to have the value Fred has if everyone on his team stays healthy.

[Vikings4ever 570]

Fred Taylor doesn't have Chester Taylor's upside? Please tell me you're high. Chester needs Peterson to miss the whole season to have the value Fred has if everyone on his team stays healthy.

Best case for Fred (MJD gets injured in preseason, misses the whole year) maybe 1,200 total yards, 10 TDs.

 

Best case for Chester (AD gets injured in preseason, misses the whole year), maybe 1,500 total yards, 15 TDs.

 

Reread my post. Fred will have more points week in and week out but Chester's UPSIDE is higher.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

As an Adrian Peterson owner, I missed out on Chester Taylor. I'm not too concerned really. If you look at what Chester Taylor did in Baltimore and what he did last year when ADP was not hurt, even in ppr he didn't play at a RB2 level. As long as I have other Running Backs that can fill in decently, if Adrian Peterson were to get hurt it won't matter. I think Chester Taylor racks up 6 to 10 points most games in ppr league all year, giving him only about 120 - 140 fantasy points.

 

 

So the point of this thread was for others to rub your back and tell you everything will be ok?

 

If Peterson goes down for any extended period of time you'll wish you had Chester.

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[jerryskids 7,172]

I don't believe in handcuffs in a redraft. If your guy goes down, who is the best to replace him? Consider injury history etc. as you see fit. If you think that guy is Taylor, draft him. If not, don't.

 

Keeper leagues are different. I expect Hightower e.g. to go way earlier in my keeper league than he would in a redraft. Taylor, notsomuch because he is older and not the future.

 

HTH.

[seattleslew 0]

You say my comparison to Betts is bad, yet you compare Chester to Larry Johnson. :thumbsup:

 

Larry Johnson was a proven commodity and had a great O-line. Like Taylor.

 

Ladell Betts was unproven and behind a below average line. And is a below average back.

[Gepetto 1,467]

Larry Johnson was a proven commodity and had a great O-line. Like Taylor.

 

Ladell Betts was unproven and behind a below average line. And is a below average back.

LJ wasn't anymore proven at that time than Betts was in preseason 2007.

Betts was huge down the stretch in 2006. He was considered good and proven enough and running behind a good o-line from what I remember people saying here just a year ago.

[TheBlade 3]

Chester Taylor is the clear backup. Adrian Peterson is the clear starter and possibly the best running back in the league now or maybe ever when it's all said and done. Unless ADP gets hurt early in the year and is out for the year, I'm not wasting a draft spot or roster spot on a backup who won't contribute to my team. If ADP gets hurt for 2-3 or even 4 games, I'm not drafting a player for only 2-4 games. Brandon Marshall is falling in drafts and he's still expected to play 13-14 games.

This reminds me of Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson, except everyone is confusing ADP with Priest Holmes. ADP ~ Larry Johnson. As Chester Taylor ~ Priest Holmes.

I'm sorry, but it's just a leeetle bit too early to make a statement like that . The guy has mad skills, but putting in the same league as Barry, Emmitt, Sweetness, Jim Brown, Gale Sayers, Dorsett, Campbell, etc. is absurd at this point in his career. Can he have a couple of more outstanding seasons before we start mentioning him in the ranks of the all-time elite???

 

He may get there someday, but it's wwaaaaaayyy too early to be mentioning it.

[seattleslew 0]

LJ wasn't anymore proven at that time than Betts was in preseason 2007.

Betts was huge down the stretch in 2006. He was considered good and proven enough and running behind a good o-line from what I remember people saying here just a year ago.

 

Betts was never a LJ or Taylor to me. And O-line wasn't even close. Maybe to some.

 

Also I saw people losing their minds and taking Betts in the 3rd round last year. Which is far different than LJ's ADP in 2005, and Taylor's this year.

 

There is a difference between saying don't reach for Taylor early and don't draft him.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

 

You'll be real glad you have me on ignore when the 'Boys start sh!tting the bed this season.