Unhappy QB Harrington Ready To Move On?

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http://www.mlive.com/lions/stories/index.s...7070.xml&coll=1

 

[yostevo 0]

This stems from the initial "class/meeting" that Harringtion had with Martz. Needless to say, it didn't go well. Harrington wasn't buying Martz's approach to blowing him apart and starting from scratch. Reminds me of the movie "Days of Thunder". Robert Duvall asks Tom Cruise to try 50 laps "his way" and Joey Harrington just won't set his ego aside to do so. Naturally, Martz tells Millen "I can't teach him anything" and Millen promptly signs Kitna. They would have signed another QB either way, but I'm sure that Martz helped pull the trigger a bit sooner after that meeting.

 

Joe must go. The writing is on the wall. I don't care if Joey becomes an all pro somewhere else, it's not going to happen here period. Cut your losses, accept your mistakes, and do what's right. It's the only way this rudderless ship will find some resemblence of direction.

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I'd chip in to pay for his airline ticket out of town.

[Tjung 0]

How long before the Jamie Martin to the Lions rumors heat up. Martz loves the guy and Martin knows the Martz system. I'm not sure of his contract sitution with the Rams but my guess is he's a UFA.

 

Tim

[Guest stevejohnson]

How long before the Jamie Martin to the Lions rumors heat up. Martz loves the guy and Martin knows the Martz system. I'm not sure of his contract sitution with the Rams but my guess is he's a UFA.

 

Tim

 

 

J.Martin? As what, the 3rd string QB? Martin SUCKS and is about 37 years old! If Harrington blows this chance with Martz, he deserves to join R. Leaf at the bar!

[swamp dog 0]

This stems from the initial "class/meeting" that Harringtion had with Martz. Needless to say, it didn't go well. Harrington wasn't buying Martz's approach to blowing him apart and starting from scratch. Reminds me of the movie "Days of Thunder". Robert Duvall asks Tom Cruise to try 50 laps "his way" and Joey Harrington just won't set his ego aside to do so. Naturally, Martz tells Millen "I can't teach him anything" and Millen promptly signs Kitna. They would have signed another QB either way, but I'm sure that Martz helped pull the trigger a bit sooner after that meeting.

 

Joe must go. The writing is on the wall. I don't care if Joey becomes an all pro somewhere else, it's not going to happen here period. Cut your losses, accept your mistakes, and do what's right. It's the only way this rudderless ship will find some resemblence of direction.

 

martz went into that meeting confident he knew what it would take for harrington to be successful. the twist? harrington may not have enough mental gas left in the tank to follow martz down that path.

 

if not, he will be gone. martz will have 100 percent of joey or no joey at all.

 

pretty simple.

 

J.Martin? As what, the 3rd string QB? Martin SUCKS and is about 37 years old! If Harrington blows this chance with Martz, he deserves to join R. Leaf at the bar!

 

i'll cut harrington more slack than leaf anyday. i doubt many of us could endure what he's had to endure in detroit the past 4 years.

 

if he's damaged beyond repair, i wish him well elsewhere. he's shown nothing but class for four years.

[shovelheadt 71]

Why is Martz now a genius when he was considered an idiot in years past?

[Guest stevejohnson]

Martz was not a very good HEAD coach but is still widely regarded as one of the best offensive minds in football. He has taken several QBs NOBODY else wanted and made them Pro Bowlers. His gameplans have been copied by almost every team in the league!

 

Mean while Joey Harrington has been a complete bust!

[Tjung 0]

J.Martin? As what, the 3rd string QB? Martin SUCKS and is about 37 years old! If Harrington blows this chance with Martz, he deserves to join R. Leaf at the bar!

 

You obviously don't know much about Martz. If Kitna or Harrington can't perform in Martz's system and things aren't looking good, he'll ask for Jamie Martin no question about it. Martin can do the one thing that most QB's in this league can't do, understand the Mike Martz complicated offense.

 

Tim

[Vikings4ever 550]

Why is Martz now a genius when he was considered an idiot in years past?

Genius as an offensive coordinator.

Idiot as a head coach.

 

HTH

[Guest stevejohnson]

You obviously don't know much about Martz. If Kitna or Harrington can't perform in Martz's system and things aren't looking good, he'll ask for Jamie Martin no question about it. Martin can do the one thing that most QB's in this league can't do, understand the Mike Martz complicated offense.

 

Tim

 

 

I watched many Rams games last season and Martin just flat out CAN'T PLAY! How about that Monday night game against Indy when Bulger got hurt? They were up 17-0 and Martin comes in and throws the game away with multiple bad INTs!

 

Jamie Martin? You have got to be kidding or just don't understand football!

[Mike MacGregor 20]

Guys like Martin and Todd Collins are closer to an assistant coach than QB in that they are good signings for the team, but one hopes they will never, even see the field. I agree with steve that Martin is horrible, but the Lions may very well sign him. Collins just followed his old OC to the Redskins on a 2 year deal.

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Hey, Joey, we have a spill on isle 4. Can you go clean that up?

[Ignition Technition 0]

Hey, Joey, we have a spill on isle 4. Can you go clean that up?

 

 

those kinda jokes really dont work for guys who have like $30 million in the bank

 

HTH

[bammbamm 0]

those kinda jokes really dont work for guys who have like $30 million in the bank

 

HTH

 

 

it's a reflection on how far his career has fallen not on his bank account.

 

HTH

[daishadar 0]

Owner - Matt Millen

Coach - Mike Martz

QB - Joey Harrington

 

Unless someone is going to buy tickets for all these losers to head out of town, this team is not going ANYWHERE.

[miket7 0]

Genius as an offensive coordinator.

Idiot as a head coach.

 

HTH

 

 

Bingo.

[Dog Face Gremlins211 0]

Harrington Wants Out

 

 

live.com's Tom Kowalski reports Lions QB Joey Harrington wants out of Detroit. After signing QB Jon Kitna, the Lions are still talking to free-agent QB Josh McCown, meaning the team could release or trade Harrington later this spring before June 15th when he's owed a $4 million roster bonus.

 

 

 

http://www.ffmastermind.com/

 

[Tjung 0]

I watched many Rams games last season and Martin just flat out CAN'T PLAY! How about that Monday night game against Indy when Bulger got hurt? They were up 17-0 and Martin comes in and throws the game away with multiple bad INTs!

 

Jamie Martin? You have got to be kidding or just don't understand football!

 

Dude I know enough about Martz to know that when Jamie Martin gets his yearly call from an NFL team, it's going to be the Lions this time around. As soon as one of the Lions QB's go down, or maybe even before, he'll be getting a call. Martz loves him and has 100% confidence in him. Watch and see....

 

Tim

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http://www.mlive.com/lions/stories/index.s...7070.xml&coll=1

 

 

 

From the Article Linked above:

The Lions aren't necessarily in a time crunch here. There's no financial issue because the deadline on Harrington's $4 million roster bonus isn't until June 15.

 

My guess is that the Kitna vs. Harrington vs. Martz (And apparently we're throwing J. Martin into the mix ) situation will be resolved by the 15th of June.

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Harrington Wants Out

live.com's Tom Kowalski reports Lions QB Joey Harrington wants out of Detroit. After signing QB Jon Kitna, the Lions are still talking to free-agent QB Josh McCown, meaning the team could release or trade Harrington later this spring before June 15th when he's owed a $4 million roster bonus.

http://www.ffmastermind.com/

 

 

 

It should be noted that there's not one quote attributed to Joey Harrington in that article. Tom "the killer" Kowalski is notorious for exaggerating or even shoe fitting information just to make a story. Until you hear something from Joey, it's only "Killer" shaking the cage to see if the birds will chirp.

[Canoman 0]

I wonder if the Eagles will sign him... McMahon, Garthia - is Joey next?

[yojimbo81 0]

Harrington is entering his 5th year as a pro with his 4th headcoach. The Lions have been a sinking ship since 2001. None of it is Harrington's fault. "Jeff Garcia will save the team" all the Lions fans said. What a bust he was. We've had nothing but soft coaches since Bobby Ross. Marty and Mooch are pathetic coaches with no balls. They let themselves be run over by cocky recievers who have never given 100% on the field. If Joey is cut he will become a quality QB on a team where people actually know how to manage a team. The Joey haters are suckers for thinking he's the problem. Bring in Leinert, Young, Cutler or any free agent. Any one of them will fail because, though it pains me to say, the Lions are a pathetic franchise. This is the same organization that ran the greatest runningback out of football. The Fords are atrocious owners and Millen couldn't hire a decent coach if his life depended on it. Here's to another 6-10 season.

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Harrington is entering his 5th year as a pro with his 4th headcoach. The Lions have been a sinking ship since 2001. None of it is Harrington's fault. "Jeff Garcia will save the team" all the Lions fans said. What a bust he was. We've had nothing but soft coaches since Bobby Ross. Marty and Mooch are pathetic coaches with no balls. They let themselves be run over by cocky recievers who have never given 100% on the field. If Joey is cut he will become a quality QB on a team where people actually know how to manage a team. The Joey haters are suckers for thinking he's the problem. Bring in Leinert, Young, Cutler or any free agent. Any one of them will fail because, though it pains me to say, the Lions are a pathetic franchise. This is the same organization that ran the greatest runningback out of football. The Fords are atrocious owners and Millen couldn't hire a decent coach if his life depended on it. Here's to another 6-10 season.

 

um, not before that running back was there for 10 years and gained about 16,000 or so yards. and it was ross. the fords treated barry very well.

 

just a little clarification.

[Cdub100 3,903]

Owner - Matt Millen

Coach - Mike Martz

QB - Joey Harrington

 

Unless someone is going to buy tickets for all these losers to head out of town, this team is not going ANYWHERE.

 

 

Huh When did Millen buy the team... and for that matter I thought Martz was the O.C.

[Know Doubt 0]

Hello, long time lurker, first time caller...

 

 

Two things are bugging me here.

 

1) Who in the blazes is stevejohnson?

He joins in July 2004 and posts like five times, now the sites back up and he's all over the place!

The crazy thing is I agree with his thoughts like 85% of the time.

Why has he waited this long? Did he change jobs and now has time to post?

 

 

2) While I can agree with the "why Joey failed" arguments, it has left me wondering.

Kordell Stewart had like 3-4 straight years of having to learn a completely New Offense Every year due to getting a New OC and yet all you guys could do was rip him after he had that one good year(97 I think it was, lost to Denver in the AFC Championship that year).

 

 

See you can tell I don't post alot because I can't figure out how to use the emotion coms :angryface:

[Guest Mr.T]

Hello, long time lurker, first time caller...

Two things are bugging me here.

 

1) Who in the blazes is stevejohnson?

He joins in July 2004 and posts like five times, now the sites back up and he's all over the place!

The crazy thing is I agree with his thoughts like 85% of the time.

Why has he waited this long? Did he change jobs and now has time to post?

2) While I can agree with the "why Joey failed" arguments, it has left me wondering.

Kordell Stewart had like 3-4 straight years of having to learn a completely New Offense Every year due to getting a New OC and yet all you guys could do was rip him after he had that one good year(97 I think it was, lost to Denver in the AFC Championship that year).

See you can tell I don't post alot because I can't figure out how to use the emotion coms :angryface:

 

1) I'm not sure who he is but I don't care for him. I don't care if I'm in the minority on that one either. He just screams "Player/team x sucks, lol" and I have yet to see him lay out an argument of any sort. I'll give Scooter a hard time but I'll read his posts because in all his long winded vebiage, he'll occasionally make a solid point or two.

 

2) I want to see Joey with a fresh start. I'm not convinced he'll ever be a "stud", nor am I convinced he can't be a quality quarterback.

 

For the people saying Martz was a terrible head coach, his record in the regular season was 51-29 (.638) and 3-4 in the playoffs. Far from terrible, though I agree he likely is a better offensive coordinator than head honcho.

[Guest stevejohnson]

Look "Mr. T", I just happen to have a slow week at work and thus more time to post here....The key word in Message board is MESSAGE, not Board, which is what I am getting with haters like you!

 

Where have I said "player x sucks" without any "facts". Do I really need to dig up links and facts to show Joey Harrington has been a complete bust so far?

[Zackattack 0]

The Lay-Downs need to tighten up those recievers and get them to play 100%. The team does not play together. maybe martz can get them all on the same page.

[yojimbo81 0]

um, not before that running back was there for 10 years and gained about 16,000 or so yards. and it was ross. the fords treated barry very well.

 

just a little clarification.

 

Who's fault is it for letting Ross run him outta town? It all goes back to the owner.

[swirvenirvin 25]

bye bye joey ballgame

 

It should be noted that there's not one quote attributed to Joey Harrington in that article. Tom "the killer" Kowalski is notorious for exaggerating or even shoe fitting information just to make a story. Until you hear something from Joey, it's only "Killer" shaking the cage to see if the birds will chirp.

hes called tom the dumbass

[swamp dog 0]

bye bye joey ballgame

hes called tom the dumbass

 

looks like he was spot-on this time.

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From Here

 

 

The Detroit Free Press reports some have said QB Joey Harrington sabotaged his appearance at Lions QB school, engineering his way out of town with uncooperative behavior. Some have said he was just unenthusiastic as he realized it wasn't going to work in Detroit. The truth lies in the middle. Harrington came to QB school with good intentions, but he also had mixed emotions. As the week went on, things fell apart. The last day went badly. In the end, Harrington didn't feel he could win with the Lions, and the Lions didn't feel they could win with him. This account is based on interviews with several people close to the situation. All spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the information and because Harrington has not spoken for himself yet. He has been on vacation in Southeast Asia and unavailable for comment. Harrington flew from his Oregon home to the Detroit area Sunday, March 5. He was upbeat and optimistic because of the support the Lions had given him. President Matt Millen said Feb. 21 the Lions were approaching the off-season with him as their starter, and HC Rod Marinelli agreed. Marinelli and OC Mike Martz spoke positively about his potential afterward. Harrington intended to give it his best shot with an open mind. Still, he felt some uncertainty. The Lions had a new coaching staff, but they still had most of the same players -- a number of whom had not supported him. When Harrington drove into Lions headquarters that Monday, he experienced a lot of negative feelings because of the environment. His first meeting with Martz went well, but his first meeting with Marinelli did not. Marinelli told Harrington he had to be all in or all out; Harrington couldn't make that commitment because of his concerns about team chemistry. After a full day's work, Harrington went home and studied his playbook. He told people Martz was jovial and nice and knew a lot about offense. Harrington put in another full day's work Tuesday. He hurt his back. He went home and studied his playbook again. He told people Marinelli was a down-to-earth, tell-it-like-it-is kind of guy. He still seemed upbeat and thought he would be back later in the month for off-season conditioning. But Wednesday, the last day of QB school, was different. Harrington didn't break down plays well on the board. He didn't appear to pay attention. He didn't take notes. His mind seemed elsewhere, and something happened with Martz -- what exactly is unclear. Harrington did not endear himself to the coaches. Marinelli had talked about wanting players with passion. Harrington wasn't showing any. Whatever his intent, he was showing he didn't want to be there. Afterward, Millen talked to Harrington often, and Harrington talked to the coaches somewhat. But things couldn't be patched up. Harrington didn't want to be a quitter, but he told the Lions he could win in the NFL, just not in Detroit. Martz truly thought Harrington was talented, but the coaches didn't want a quarterback who wasn't confident he could lead their team.

[CantTouchThis 23]

Harrington ERA of terror finally done??? Sweet, now on to KC!!!!!

 

I think Harrington will make a viable starter eventually, but, it wasn't happening in Detroit.

[Voltaire 5,315]

Harrington ERA of terror finally done??? Sweet, now on to KC!!!!!

 

I think Harrington will make a viable starter eventually, but, it wasn't happening in Detroit.

 

Charlie Batch was far better in Detroit, see what that's gotten him (and the Steelers).