Illegal Immigration - This chased torridjoe!

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Not me

 

until now

 

You forget that you were using George Carlin at that time.

[MedStudent 56]

I always enjoyed it when he would argue to the death about his position that there was no such thing as protection hitting in the line up. That and the (in his opinion) false theory of a player being a clutch hitter........ Personally, I don't think he was ever the same or recovered from Kerry losing to Bush. Member how he went on and on, and on and on, and on and on, about how certain W would lose based on all of his poll data. The dude was truly devestated.

 

He must have been a bill james junkie. I think that's what james thought. More likely james did not have a mathematical formula to quantify clutchness so he just ignored it. In the last couple of years i think james has changed his tune and now does think that there are clutch hitters.

[RLLD 4,275]

I always enjoyed it when he would argue to the death about his position that there was no such thing as protection hitting in the line up. That and the (in his opinion) false theory of a player being a clutch hitter........ Personally, I don't think he was ever the same or recovered from Kerry losing to Bush. Member how he went on and on, and on and on, and on and on, about how certain W would lose based on all of his poll data. The dude was truly devestated.

 

I concur. After that election I was actually worried that he might even take his own life.

 

I remember trying to tell him that the poll data is is practically worthless no matter how many dataheads tout it....but he was always emphatic that the poll data was the best thing since soft soap.....oops.....polling is for idiots.

[BunnysBastatrds 2,606]

These are some words that resonated through me and kind of spelled out the way I have always thought about the illegals:

 

When large numbers of otherwise decent people routinely violate a law, the law itself is probably the problem. To argue that illegal immigration is bad merely because it is illegal avoids the threshold question of whether we should prohibit this kind of immigration in the first place.

 

The fatal flaw of the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act was not that it offered legal status to workers already here but that it made no provision for future workers to enter legally.

 

 

I didn't realize you were so easily influenced by bullsh!t.

[edjr 6,899]

You forget that you were using George Carlin at that time.

 

PWNED!

[DAVID RUFFIN 2]

*Your* country? Did you built it? NO! But your ancestors probably had a part, and do you know what they were? FOCKING IMMIGRANTS!

 

 

That's got to sting a little bit.

[Ravens 03 0]

Illegal Immigration topic bump.

[SUXBNME 1,596]

Illegal Immigration topic bump.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElcL282ehqs...layer_embedded#

 

Listen from 1:16 on...

[jerryskids 7,091]

I can't believe I wasted that much time in this thread.

 

torrid was even more pigheaded than RP. At least RP gives up after a while. torrid just tweaked his argument a little, bobbed, weaved and continued on.

If I had a nickel for every time I tried to rope torrid back onto the topic or his original statement, I'd... have a lot of focking nickels.

 

Also I miss him, the big fro-headed galoot.

[torridjoe 48]

He must have been a bill james junkie. I think that's what james thought. More likely james did not have a mathematical formula to quantify clutchness so he just ignored it. In the last couple of years i think james has changed his tune and now does think that there are clutch hitters.

 

I'd like to hear about James changing his mind--the classic study was done with Atlanta Braves of the early 80s, so it's not implausible, and the increase in production that a player is capable of relative to then, may be inducing pitchers to do more actual pitching around/coaches to do more protecting.

 

That's different from clutch hitting, though. The "clutch" metric I know of is close/late, 7th inning or later and down by fewer than 3 runs. That's easily testable, and I'd still suggest there's no significant effect--but it's been a while since I kept myself knee deep in sabermetrics, so...

[torridjoe 48]

I concur. After that election I was actually worried that he might even take his own life.

 

I remember trying to tell him that the poll data is is practically worthless no matter how many dataheads tout it....but he was always emphatic that the poll data was the best thing since soft soap.....oops.....polling is for idiots.

 

It wasn't the poll data--I always submitted the truism that polls don't predict the future, they describe the now and show the change from the past--it was the unusual deviation from historical conditions. Based on data immediately prior to the final day before the election, and using the well-accepted historical premise that undecideds break for the challenger, a Kerry win was the right call. The problem with those predictions turned out to be a very late break (such that Pew's day-before-election poll was a fairly decent shift towards Bush) and in a direction that went to the incumbent instead.

 

You'll note that the most reliable outfits were deadly accurate in 2006 and 2008 on a macro level.

 

If you're planning on asking about 2010, many Dems are in trouble (and should be IMO), so believe the current numbers, BUT:

 

*still several months to go, we're just shifting from registered to likely voters in most polls

*the economy is always a wild card, and if I had to bet I'd say it will turn around to favor Dems by Election Day

*the teabaggers are complicating things, and to a lesser extent the angry progs who are trying to dump people like Blanche Lincoln. It could be an historic year for incumbent defeats, particularly in their own primaries (cf Bennett, Specter, Lincoln, McCain, et al), and when that happens things can get wild.

 

But bottom line is Dems hold both chambers of Congress when all is said and done, the hit worse in the House than the Senate.

[Ravens 03 0]

It wasn't the poll data--I always submitted the truism that polls don't predict the future, they describe the now and show the change from the past--it was the unusual deviation from historical conditions. Based on data immediately prior to the final day before the election, and using the well-accepted historical premise that undecideds break for the challenger, a Kerry win was the right call. The problem with those predictions turned out to be a very late break (such that Pew's day-before-election poll was a fairly decent shift towards Bush) and in a direction that went to the incumbent instead.

 

You'll note that the most reliable outfits were deadly accurate in 2006 and 2008 on a macro level.

 

If you're planning on asking about 2010, many Dems are in trouble (and should be IMO), so believe the current numbers, BUT:

 

*still several months to go, we're just shifting from registered to likely voters in most polls

*the economy is always a wild card, and if I had to bet I'd say it will turn around to favor Dems by Election Day

*the teabaggers are complicating things, and to a lesser extent the angry progs who are trying to dump people like Blanche Lincoln. It could be an historic year for incumbent defeats, particularly in their own primaries (cf Bennett, Specter, Lincoln, McCain, et al), and when that happens things can get wild.

 

But bottom line is Dems hold both chambers of Congress when all is said and done, the hit worse in the House than the Senate.

 

Welcome back mi amigo!

[MedStudent 56]

I'd like to hear about James changing his mind--the classic study was done with Atlanta Braves of the early 80s, so it's not implausible, and the increase in production that a player is capable of relative to then, may be inducing pitchers to do more actual pitching around/coaches to do more protecting.

 

That's different from clutch hitting, though. The "clutch" metric I know of is close/late, 7th inning or later and down by fewer than 3 runs. That's easily testable, and I'd still suggest there's no significant effect--but it's been a while since I kept myself knee deep in sabermetrics, so...

 

I just actually read moneyball a couple of weeks ago and it fascinated me.

 

Here is an article on clutch hitting by james:

 

Is there such a thing as clutch hitting? Bill James, senior baseball operations advisor for the Boston Red Sox, now thinks maybe there is. Here is his provocative article "Mr. Clutch," as it appears in The Hardball Times Baseball Annual 2008, available from booksellers as of Dec. 1, 2007. James is also working on a new book to be published in February, titled The Bill James Gold Mine 2008. For further information on these books, go to

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/base...0/james.clutch/

[Ravens 03 0]

I just actually read moneyball a couple of weeks ago and it fascinated me.

 

Here is an article on clutch hitting by james:

 

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/base...0/james.clutch/

 

Bump for crackattack.

[crackattack 520]

There were so many made my head hurt.

 

I am a rookie

[RLLD 4,275]

Torrid replied to me..... :ninja: