Real draft going on right now

[Texansfan 0]

You have a hard time believing in younger players don't you?

 

Tiki Barber, Randy Moss, & Darrell Jackson are all old has beens. Not to burst your bubble, but I think they are all starting to decline and injuries will be more of a concern.

 

And whatever you do stay away from Foster/Williams. Why would you want that headache with so many better options?

 

But to each his own. I personally like younger players who have more upside.

[Fumbleweed 547]

You have a hard time believing in younger players don't you?

 

Tiki Barber, Randy Moss, & Darrell Jackson are all old has beens. Not to burst your bubble, but I think they are all starting to decline and injuries will be more of a concern.

 

And whatever you do stay away from Foster/Williams. Why would you want that headache with so many better options?

 

But to each his own. I personally like younger players who have more upside.

 

A couple of thoughts.....

 

Has Tiki Barber shown any signs thus far of declining? You said he was "starting to decline". Starting? When did that start? It may indeed happen this season, but there has been no decline thus far. Barber appears to be more in his prime right now than anything else.

 

Darrell Jackson is 27 years old. Old? Has been? Really? Since when is a 27 year old receiver somehow old? That's much younger than Holt, Harrison, Owens....all sorts of top receivers.

 

Now, Randy Moss is a question mark to be sure. But, your arguments re: Barber and Jackson simply don't make any sense to me.........

 

To take it a step further, Darrell Jackson is nearly a year younger than Chad Johnson.....

 

Do you consider Chad Johnson old? A has been???

[Da Bomb 0]

finally, some actual logic instead of just spouting the equivalent of fantasy one-liners. in the end, i agree with a lot of what you say about chester taylor. heck, as a vikings fan, i was ecstatic when we signed him and i think he'll have a solid year behind a very good line. but mewelde is also a very good back and should get carries, and hes also an excellent receiving back who will continue to get catches. plus we also signed taureen henderson, who is the best pass catching RB in ncaa history i think? and as for goal line carries, usually ciatrick fason got them last year. plus we have signed tony richardson now who has shown himself to be a good goal line type when used in that way. i think IF taylor is installed as a feature back where he gets 20 carries and 4 catches a game, he could go for 1300 and 6-8 on the ground, and another 300 receiving. also, you said you dont think the pats or jets will contend or be anywhere in the same competition as the vikings? you clearly dont know your vikings football. we made a lot of offseason moves, and a lot of us are cautiously optimistic... but its a new coaching staff, a young defense that needs to gel, and an offense that severely lacks star power after losing culpepper, bennett, burleson, and moss in the last two years. we're optimistic, yes, and we hope for 9 or 10 wins and a shot at the playoffs, but its certainly a team thats rebuilding and will be trying a lot of new things this year.

 

and at last, the biggest difference between taylor and martin is that youre taking one 15 picks before the other. if i was just sitting at 3.7 and i wanted to take a RB, especially being a vikings homer, i'd probaly take taylor's upside straight up. but its not a matter of taking one or the other straight up. its also a matter of getting someone like hines ward in the 3rd or someone like andre johnson in the 4th. like i said earlier, ward averages 90/1100/8 the last five seasons compared to johnsons 65/900/4. thats a difference of 70 points over the season. might ward's numbers drop? sure, a tiny bit perhaps, but hes as consistent as they come. and might johnson suddenly decide this is his year to blossom? well, he still has a crappy qb and a below average line, and its not like gary kubiak has ever had much success developing WRs, so i dont know why we expect miracles this year.

 

im well aware that the large majority of people will continue to ignore numbers and choose youth and flashy players. theyre the same people who took jj arrington and ronnie brown in the 4th round last year while guys like warrick dunn and thomas jones were passed on. theyre the same people who gambled on the upside of michael clayton, andre johnson, and nate burleson when they could've had much higher production from older stalwarts a few rounds later like rod smith, keyshawn johnson, terry glenn, who produce each year.

 

i couldnt care less what the consensus says or what the majority would do. the majority of people dont win a championship.

[football_scooter 0]

i couldnt care less what the consensus says or what the majority would do. the majority of people dont win a championship.

(I assume this post was in response to my last)

 

nor do people who take the "safe picks" which in this case consist of aging veterans coming off of significant injuries.

 

No one ever won anything playing it "safe".

[Da Bomb 0]

(I assume this post was in response to my last)

 

nor do people who take the "safe picks" which in this case consist of aging veterans coming off of significant injuries.

 

No one ever won anything playing it "safe".

 

you wont see me arguing that curtis martin is a safe pick here. hes 33 and plays for a team that just won 4 games last year, and hes just coming off his first injured season ever. hes not safe. i just think hes the best pick of whats available here in the late 4th.

 

and for the record, my general strategy is to get sure things in the first few rounds, guys i feel comfortable with and know what to expect, and then gamble on high upside guys once i have my foundation in place. my team usually has a steady group of vets who arent flashy but produce numbers every year. guys like rod smith are staples on many of my teams. and for the record, ive won a whole lot of leagues.

[SoloMatisse 0]

I completely agree about Benson. I think he's going to be great in Chicago. I think the Bears could be on the cusp of becoming a very good offensive team which would make them scary because their defense, and with this year's draft their special teams, could be freakish. I'm a believer in Benson and I'm going to try and get guys like him and Maroney in Keeper leagues because of their talent, but also for their situations and the organizations they're playing for.

 

I was under the impression that this was a redraft, draft which is why I mention that you have to have the combinations of Dillon/Maroney or Jones/Benson. If it's just a redraft then the rookies are obviously not as important but handcuffs are more important so you may need to take the rookies semi-early. Your "vision" just needs to get you through the year. In keepers and dynasties, you definitely need to have vision, but in a simple redraft you don't.

 

 

Yes, yes...just talking redraft. I didnt bother going after Priest last year, either. Just got LJ and waited. Sticking to the formula...to the gameplan. Benson is in his 2nd year, he's being counted for over $12mil of the Bears cap this year, and he's about to get it done.....NOW. the fact that Jones has been distant and hired Drew Rosenblab just gives this thing that much more momentum. I wouldnt waste my time with Jones. Benson is the guy who could carry this team(S-34's that is) to and thru the playoffs....potentially.

[NAn 39]

(I assume this post was in response to my last)

 

nor do people who take the "safe picks" which in this case consist of aging veterans coming off of significant injuries.

 

No one ever won anything playing it "safe".

 

I disagree with this statement.

 

It's knowing when to play it safe and when to take risks that puts you in position to win.

 

As the old FF adage goes: 'You can't win your league in the first round but you can lose it.'

 

Same goes to an extent for the early rnds in general.

 

Get players who will produce to their respective rnds in rnds 1-4, say 5-7 you can go a 'little' less conservative, maybe looking for some breakout/upside guys.

 

Then in mid-later rnds is where championships are won.

[jocstrap 8]

Look at all the talk from one man's draft! Man I bet in August not one person's "real" draft will go 5 pages!

 

Oh well, it's great to see where these guys are falling. This will for sure help in my preparation.

 

Keep up the boys - lots of good insight going on here.

[stonecoldsoonerfan 0]

i have nothing to add other than this is a really great thread. thanks to sweetness and all others for the imput. it really makes me think about all the possibilities there are in drafting.

[Sweetness_34 0]

Folks

 

First off I cannot say enough "Thank Yous" to all of you for your detailed insights/analyses. I am THOROUGHLY enjoying this strategic discussion (like many of you others are) at a time when nothing much is going on. My intent in posting this was to get such a kind of dialogue started and lo and behold, this has become a very very productive thread to everyone in terms of options all of you will face soon enough.

 

So, THANK YOU GUYS AGAIN.

 

One thing to note: I have played 6 FF leagues the last 2 years and I have been IN THE MONEY every single time. The reason I did not take that RB at round 3 is because I see the same risk with Chester Taylor and Reuben Droughns as I do with a Curtis Martin.

 

I am leaning towards picking CMart but have also sent some trade offers out there to see if someone bites....gives me a couple of 5th rounders and then I can take more chances with RBs. I cannot thank you enough, Da Bomb, for your explanation of Curtis Martin. I went and looked at his #s and he is a beast in terms of catching the ball too out of the backfield and we all know the Jets will be throwing a LOT to their RBs and TEs again.

 

Why do I think CMart will be fine this upcoming year? Read this link ....Pennington seems to be fine and ready to go. CMart put up almost 1000 yards and 7 TDs last year (5 rushing, 2 receiving) playing with Brooks Bollinger as his Qb. Now he has A MUCH BETTER OL and look at the schedule (Bills, NFC North, Browns, Texans have bad defenses except the Bears)

 

http://www.newyorkjets.com/news/articles/s...?article_id=703

 

Also, I am sold on Carson Palmer and I plan to pick him up with one of these 2 picks in the 4th round because, again, I know there is going to be a QB run soon here, and I just cannot not justify picking up the best QB, even if he misses the first 3 or 4 games. Fact is when it comes playoff time, this guy will be kicking ass and taking names and is a steal in the 4th round.

 

I will take my chances on the RB situation and with so many rookies, RBBC options out there, all I need is one to work out.

 

I am a man of conviction, and while you may disagree with me, no problems, please do understand where I am coming from.

[n_omarley 11]

take this crap to the help board!

 

 

kidding. best thread in a while

[SoloMatisse 0]

Just gonna list some backs who put up pretty decent #s in their 2nd year.....some good, many great. And many great years by guys who few would have seen coming. Im just listing approx. total yds and total TDs and the year....again, these are all 2nd year stats.....

 

 

 

 

Yds TDs Year

 

Julius Jones 1200 5 '05

Stephen Jackson 1350 10 05

Willie Parker 1400 6 05

Tatum Bell 1000 8 05

Dom Davis 1750 14 04

Willis McGahee 1300 13 04

Larry Johnson 850 11 04 (3starts)

Clinton Portis 1900 14 03

Brian Westbrook 950 11 03

Travis Henry 1750 14 02

LT2 2150 15 02

SAlexander 1650 16 01

Edge 2300 18 00

 

Not bad #s over the years from 2nd year guys. I bring these stats in to basically defend the pick of Cedric Benson. Personally, I think he's breaking out this year. Now, he could break out for Tatum Bell #s. Or he could break out for TRAVIS HENRY #s. How many people here think Travis Henry is that much better than Cedric Benson???

[mdubz 0]

The reason I did not take that RB at round 3 is because I see the same risk with Chester Taylor and Reuben Droughns as I do with a Curtis Martin.

 

 

yeah, it's all about preference really. personally, i would MUCH rather have chester or droughns than cumar and i would draft accordingly. but that doesn't mean i'm right or you're right. we have no idea who's right yet since it's so early but good to debate and get other's opinions.

 

good thread.

[Sweetness_34 0]

Just gonna list some backs who put up pretty decent #s in their 2nd year.....some good, many great. And many great years by guys who few would have seen coming. Im just listing approx. total yds and total TDs and the year....again, these are all 2nd year stats.....

Yds TDs Year

 

Julius Jones 1200 5 '05

Stephen Jackson 1350 10 05

Willie Parker 1400 6 05

Tatum Bell 1000 8 05

Dom Davis 1750 14 04

Willis McGahee 1300 13 04

Larry Johnson 850 11 04 (3starts)

Clinton Portis 1900 14 03

Brian Westbrook 950 11 03

Travis Henry 1750 14 02

LT2 2150 15 02

SAlexander 1650 16 01

Edge 2300 18 00

 

Not bad #s over the years from 2nd year guys. I bring these stats in to basically defend the pick of Cedric Benson. Personally, I think he's breaking out this year. Now, he could break out for Tatum Bell #s. Or he could break out for TRAVIS HENRY #s. How many people here think Travis Henry is that much better than Cedric Benson???

 

Good info Solo, but I do not see Thomas Jones not taking 60% or 50% of the snaps too. I am a Bears fan and I follow them a lot. Lovie loves TJ and he is not taking the starting RB role from him. However, he also expects Cedric to increase his role from last year. In short, I see a 60%, 35% role between TJ and Cedric....

[SoloMatisse 0]

right, 34....just giving you some data to work with. I know youre familiar with your boys and that situation. just keep an open mind about that situation and realize things do change. I couldnt say that I hate your pick of Palmer, but the Martin pick is totally sketchy. Im not defending that for a second. You know, Ive been playing FF since '92, have never had a record worse than 7-6 , missed the playoffs once in 14 years, so I know a little something......but an old guy on a horrible team like that with a rookie at C and LT, with a new coach, and very questionable QB situation?????....dude......."Joel.....please...just... get off the babysitter".

[Sweetness_34 0]

(I assume this post was in response to my last)

 

nor do people who take the "safe picks" which in this case consist of aging veterans coming off of significant injuries.

 

No one ever won anything playing it "safe".

 

And my picks are not realy safe scooter....I picked Carson Palmer.....but I have my reasons.

 

Ding ding ding ding.....update folks:

 

Updated

 

1.01 LJ

1.02 LT

1.03 Shaun Alexander

1.04 Edge

1.05 Steven Jackson

1.06 Tiki Barber (my pick)

1.07 Portis

1.08 Lamont Jordan

1.09 Rudi Johnson

1.10 Caddy

1.11 Ronnie Brown

1.12 Mcgahee

2.01 Westbrook

2.02 Dom Davis

2.03 Steve Smith

2.04 Chad Johnson

2.05 Peyton Manning

2.06 Torry Holt

2.07 TO

2.08 Fitzgerald

2.09 Harrison

2.10 Randy Moss (my pick after trade down from 2.07 => got up from 3.05=>3.06 & 4.10=>5.06 too)

2.11 Boldin

2.12 Julius Jones

3.01 Antonio Gates

3.02 Reggie Bush

3.03 Reggie Wayne

3.04 Jamal Lewis

3.05 Darrell Jackson (My Pick)

3.06 Chris Chambers

3.07 Chester Taylor (your boy scooter )

3.08 Hines Ward

3.09 Kevin Jones

3.10 Reuben Droughns

3.11 Roy Williams/WR

3.12 Willie Parker

4.01 Warrick Dunn

4.02 Santana Moss

4.03 Plaxico Burress

4.04 Joe Horn

4.05 Donald Driver

4.06 Houshmandzadeh

4.07 Carson Palmer (My Pick)

4.08 Jeremy Shockey

4.09 Javon Walker

4.10 Curtis Martin (My Pick)

4.11 Tony Gonzalez

 

My Next Pick - 6.07

 

My roster as of now (PPR league):

 

Carson Palmer

Tiki Barber

Curtis Martin

Randy Moss

Darrell Jackson

 

I am confident quite a few of the RBBC combos and someone like Ahman Green, Fred Taylor, Chris Brown, Thomas Jones etc will still be there with my 6th rounder.....

[NAn 39]

Not sure about Palmer pick.

 

Not that it's necessarily bad but had you waited to 6 and gone with another RB (Foster/Bell/etc) here think you would have nominal difference in qb you would get in 6th.

 

Good news is you likely started an inevitable QB run, so some RBs/WRs will slide a bit.

 

IF Cumar can produce to numbers Bomb projects, your team is fine, our bickering aside.

 

IF NOT, really think would have been helped with another RB here in 4th.

[einstein2u 0]

Not sure about Palmer pick.

 

Not that it's necessarily bad but had you waited to 6 and gone with another RB (Foster/Bell/etc) here think you would have nominal difference in qb you would get in 6th.

 

Good news is you likely started an inevitable QB run, so some RBs/WRs will slide a bit.

 

IF Cumar can produce to numbers Bomb projects, your team is fine, our bickering aside.

 

IF NOT, really think would have been helped with another RB here in 4th.

 

wow....this is the all injury team.

 

djax..knee...

palmer...knee

moss....getting old

cmart...old.

 

you could have waited on a qb.

[Sweetness_34 0]

Not sure about Palmer pick.

 

Not that it's necessarily bad but had you waited to 6 and gone with another RB (Foster/Bell/etc) here think you would have nominal difference in qb you would get in 6th.

 

Good news is you likely started an inevitable QB run, so some RBs/WRs will slide a bit.

 

IF Cumar can produce to numbers Bomb projects, your team is fine, our bickering aside.

 

IF NOT, really think would have been helped with another RB here in 4th.

 

I definitely see not only a QB run but I also see a lot of WRs going ..... there is this guy who has 3 picks coming up who's roster right now is only Shaun A and Steven Jackson (he traded up to 1.03 by giving up his 2/3/4 round picks and getting 5/6 rounders).....no doubt he is going WR

 

Everyone except one team has 2 RBs so I do not see many RBs flying off the board. I almost decided to wait on CMart too but since I do not have a 5th round pick, I did not want to take any chance on a solid RB2 with no RBBC issues and no TDs getting vultured issues.

 

If someone comes knocking for my 6th rounder and decides to give me a lower 6th and a 7th rounder, I will be jumping on it and picking up the high upside, high risk RBs ....Maroney, De Angelo, Benson, Tatum Bell, etc etc

 

 

 

wow....this is the all injury team.

 

djax..knee...

palmer...knee

moss....getting old

cmart...old.

 

you could have waited on a qb.

 

No I could not because I do not have a 5th round pick....I rather get Palmer now or he would have been gone and I believe at least 6 to 8 Qbs will fly off the board before it comes back to me. In contrast, I expect lots of RBs to still be there.....

 

Just for fun here are the roster up to now: (Please note that due to trades some folks have more players than others)

 

Angry Squirrels:

RB LaDainian Tomlinson SDC 0.00 1.02 3

RB Reggie Bush FA 0.00 3.02 0

WR Anquan Boldin ARI 0.00 2.11 9

TE Tony Gonzalez KCC 0.00 4.11 3

 

$teelerMike

RB Larry Johnson KCC 0.00 1.01 3

RB Julius Jones DAL 0.00 2.12 3

TE Antonio Gates SDC 0.00 3.01 3

 

Ohio River-Rats

RB Edgerrin James IND 0.00 1.04 6

RB Reuben Droughns CLE 0.00 3.10 6

WR Marvin Harrison IND 0.00 2.09 6

WR Javon Walker GBP 0.00 4.09 6

 

Flying Ostriches (this guy traded out of 1.03 - the Shaun Alexander pick)

RB Willie Parker PIT 0.00 3.12 4

RB Warrick Dunn ATL 0.00 4.01 5

WR Terrell Owens PHI 0.00 2.07 9

WR Larry Fitzgerald ARI 0.00 2.08 9

WR Chris Chambers MIA 0.00 3.06 8

 

Prairie Oysters

RB Carnell Williams TBB 0.00 1.10 4

RB Jamal Lewis BAL 0.00 3.04 7

WR Steve Smith CAR 0.00 2.03 9

WR Plaxico Burress NYG 0.00 4.03 4

 

Keyser Soze

RB Ronnie Brown MIA 0.00 1.11 8

RB Domanick Davis HOU 0.00 2.02 5

WR Roy Williams DET 0.00 3.11 8

WR Santana Moss WAS 0.00 4.02 8

 

BerthaC (this guy traded up for 1.03 by giving up the 2/3/4 rounders)

RB Shaun Alexander SEA 0.00 1.03 5

RB Steven Jackson STL 0.00 1.05 7

 

Vipers

RB Willis McGahee BUF 0.00 1.12 8

RB Brian Westbrook PHI 0.00 2.01 9

WR Reggie Wayne IND 0.00 3.03 6

TE Jeremy Shockey NYG 0.00 4.08 4

 

Feisty Ferrets

RB Clinton Portis WAS 0.00 1.07 8

RB Chester Taylor BAL 0.00 3.07 7

WR Torry Holt STL 0.00 2.06 7

WR TJ Houshmandzadeh CIN 0.00 4.06 5

 

Godzilla

RB Rudi Johnson CIN 0.00 1.09 5

RB Kevin Jones DET 0.00 3.09 8

WR Chad Johnson CIN 0.00 2.04 5

WR Joe Horn NOS 0.00 4.04 7

 

Steagles

QB Peyton Manning IND 0.00 2.05 6

RB LaMont Jordan OAK 0.00 1.08 3

WR Hines Ward PIT 0.00 3.08 4

WR Donald Driver GBP 0.00 4.05 6

 

Da Bears (My team)

QB Carson Palmer CIN 0.00 4.07 5

RB Tiki Barber NYG 0.00 1.06 4

RB Curtis Martin NYJ 0.00 4.10 9

WR Randy Moss OAK 0.00 2.10 3

WR Darrell Jackson SEA 0.00 3.05 5

 

So as you can see, everyone has 2 RBs except one team (Steagles). I see a QB and TE run with some WRs also going. I expect some RBs to be gone but there will still be a lot of value to take chances on when my6th round pick comes around.

[Fumbleweed 547]

Some folks have been critical of your picks, Sweetness, but the reality is that you're no worse than any of those teams. Seeing the rosters really puts things in perspective........

 

The argument can be made, of course, that you could be better than you currently are....but in looking at the rosters, you're solid, I think.

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

You've pretty much lost me Sweetness. I was still tracking somewhat with D. Jackson but I can't get with either of your 4th rounders. Curtis Martin is such a high risk, medium reward RB it's not even funny. I'd much rather take a guy with some upside than father time. Heck, he may see how bad his team is going to be and quit yet before the season starts. And what's with the love affair with Carson Palmer? Do you really believe in him so much that it was worth such an early pick? You probably could have gotten a guy like Delhomme in the 6th or 7th and he may outperform Palmer because he's going to play all 16 games.

 

 

In my opinion you may want to hand the championship to the Alexander/Jackson owner. If worth a crap, he should be able to get a couple quality wr's and a good QB yet.

 

You better get some good upside players in the future and hope for the best.

 

 

Curtis Martin?

[Sweetness_34 0]

Some folks have been critical of your picks, Sweetness, but the reality is that you're no worse than any of those teams. Seeing the rosters really puts things in perspective........

 

The argument can be made, of course, that you could be better than you currently are....but in looking at the rosters, you're solid, I think.

 

Thanks Fumble. I wil definitely take chances on RBs starting with my next pick. I actually like my roster right now. I have no doubt that Carson will play this year (maybe miss a couple at start), I have no concerns of DJax's injury and I have no doubt CMart will not have much different #s from Chester Taylor, Reuben Droughns, Willie Parker and Warrick Dunn when it is all said and done.

 

If for the sake of argument, had I taken a Chester Taylor with my 3rd rounder, I would have to take a Javon Walker or a Andre Johnson or a Houshmandzadeh with my 4th rounder ..... I definitely prefer the CMart/DJax combo over Chester/Javon W or even Droughns/Javon W or even FWP/Javon or even Dunn/Javon

 

Javon W is coming back from an ACL and he had 2 solid years with Favre throwing to him. Now in a new offense predicated on running the ball (Denver), I prefer taking a chance with DJax over a Javon W. DJax is the #1 target returning back to his team with no Qb issues, no OL issues, no new offense issues, and plays a cream puff schedule.

 

 

 

You've pretty much lost me Sweetness. I was still tracking somewhat with D. Jackson but I can't get with either of your 4th rounders. Curtis Martin is such a high risk, medium reward RB it's not even funny. I'd much rather take a guy with some upside than father time. Heck, he may see how bad his team is going to be and quit yet before the season starts. And what's with the love affair with Carson Palmer? Do you really believe in him so much that it was worth such an early pick? You probably could have gotten a guy like Delhomme in the 6th or 7th and he may outperform Palmer because he's going to play all 16 games.

In my opinion you may want to hand the championship to the Alexander/Jackson owner. If worth a crap, he should be able to get a couple quality wr's and a good QB yet.

 

You better get some good upside players in the future and hope for the best.

Curtis Martin?

 

Jarvis....we will need to agree to disagree I guess. Time will tell. I am not giving anyone any championships. I am confident I will be fine at RB.....lets see how the year plays out

 

Jarvis - last year using this exact same scoring system, Carson P had 320 points (led the league) and Jake Delhomme had 250 points.....even if Palmer misses a couple of games, he will hands down be a better qb when it matters (in weeks 14-16 against Oak, Indy and Denver)

[Fumbleweed 547]

The thing about Carson Palmer is that he's a guy you want down the stretch. Let's say he misses the first two games......and you use your back-up and you go 1-1......

 

From that point on (assuming a 13-game regular season schedule), you've got a .500 record and an 11-game schedule with Carson Palmer along for the ride as your QB. If you determine that the game you lost you would have lost even with Palmer, then Palmer's early season status hasn't hurt you one bit.

 

I love the Palmer pick. It's a risky one in May given the uncertainties, but in FF...your goal is to make the playoffs. Even if the Palmer pick costs you one game, but you still make the playoffs, your team is much better for having him.

 

Again, what team you possess in the stretch run of a fantasy football season makes all the difference.

 

Thanks Fumble. I wil definitely take chances on RBs starting with my next pick. I actually like my roster right now. I have no doubt that Carson will play this year (maybe miss a couple at start), I have no concerns of DJax's injury and I have no doubt CMart will not have much different #s from Chester Taylor, Reuben Droughns, Willie Parker and Warrick Dunn when it is all said and done.

 

If for the sake of argument, had I taken a Chester Taylor with my 3rd rounder, I would have to take a Javon Walker or a Andre Johnson or a Houshmandzadeh with my 4th rounder ..... I definitely prefer the CMart/DJax combo over Chester/Javon W or even Droughns/Javon W or even FWP/Javon or even Dunn/Javon

 

Javon W is coming back from an ACL and he had 2 solid years with Favre throwing to him. Now in a new offense predicated on running the ball (Denver), I prefer taking a chance with DJax over a Javon W. DJax is the #1 target returning back to his team with no Qb issues, no OL issues, no new offense issues, and plays a cream puff schedule.

Jarvis....we will need to agree to disagree I guess. Time will tell. I am not giving anyone any championships. I am confident I will be fine at RB.....lets see how the year plays out

 

Jarvis - last year using this exact same scoring system, Carson P had 320 points (led the league) and Jake Delhomme had 250 points.....even if Palmer misses a couple of games, he will hands down be a better qb when it matters (in weeks 14-16 against Oak, Indy and Denver)

 

I think we're thinking alike on this..........

[Sweetness_34 0]

The thing about Carson Palmer is that he's a guy you want down the stretch. Let's say he misses the first two games......and you use your back-up and you go 1-1......

 

From that point on (assuming a 13-game regular season schedule), you've got a .500 record and an 11-game schedule with Carson Palmer along for the ride as your QB. If you determine that the game you lost you would have lost even with Palmer, then Palmer's early season status hasn't hurt you one bit.

 

I love the Palmer pick. It's a risky one in May given the uncertainties, but in FF...your goal is to make the playoffs. Even if the Palmer pick costs you one game, but you still make the playoffs, your team is much better for having him.

 

Again, what team you possess in the stretch run of a fantasy football season makes all the difference.

 

100% agreed and that is my strategy

 

Case in point: Last year, the guys who won most of the leagues I played in (and I won 2 of them) were the ones who had Larry Johnson. People laughed when the LJ pick was made.....but you have to be able to look at what you will have come playoff time AND you have to be sure there is talent there. There are no questions about Carson's talent, surrounding cast, OL, etc hopefully. Now add to that the fact that he is a Qb who DOES NOT have to run and make cuts like a WR, RB etc, and the reality is this guy will be gold down the stretch. If I had an early 5th rounder, I would have waited and stolen him there. But I do not, and when I made that trade down that got me Randy Moss, my intention was to get Palmer with one of the 2 picks I had in the 4th.

 

Now let's assume that Palmer takes the 1st 4 games off and comes back week 6 (since week 5 is BYE for Bengals), I can pick up a Kurt Warner later in this draft to back up Carson and he can easily carry my team the 1st 4 weeks and at least get me a 2-2 record if not more. We all know the problem with Kurt is injuries during the season, but all I need is for him to play the initial games, and I could actually trade him for some RB/WR depth later on once Carson comes back.

[Da Bomb 0]

i understand the logic of the carson palmer pick, but im not really buying it. i agree, you want to have him there by the end of the year probably. however, how sure are you that he was going to go soon? only 1 other QB had even been taken yet, and by no means do i think palmer was the next best QB avialable in everyones minds. people like brady, mcnabb, bulger, etc could be going soon and could have easily all gone before palmer. in my opinion, you had a 50/50 shot of seeing palmer fall to your 6.7 pick. between now and then, i would expect about 5-6 QBs go off the board at most. possibly as low as 3-4. i think you would have been much better off taking the upside RB of your choice here -- bell, for me -- and then waiting on palmer or, if need be, trading up. something like a 6/7 for low 5/8 wouldve probably done the trick... then youd have your stud QB, a very solid trio of RBs, two very good WRs, and could use the 8s and beyond to find a third WR.

 

on the flipside, you now wait until 6.7 to get backups and are in a position where you really need a good 3rd RB (due to age on your first two) and you also need a very good backup QB (palmer's injury). now youre stuck using 6.7 on a (likely) so-so backup RB, then another RB probably in the 7th or 8th along with your 3rd WR, and then you have to use your 8th or 9th already to make sure you secure a top backup QB. youre left not taking TE, D, K, or any backup WRs until the 10th round and beyond this way, from how i am seeing it.

 

you took a gamble and the team depends greatly on palmers knee now. youre going to have a very strong starting lineup all around. if the lineup stays healthy, you will be a top contender. but if palmer starts ailing or one of your older guys shows his age, i feel like you may be looking at weaker depth than you like when youre trying to fill in the gaps.

 

i respect the risk, and i understand the logic of wanting palmer -- just dont agree with the pick there.

 

on the flipside, one last thought -- lets say it gets to the late 5th and someone like dillon or jones or bell is still falling... why not do a similar 6/7 for 5/8 trade as i have suggested above? youd end up with the same results -- great QB, three good RBs, two good WRs, and then picks 8 and later to fill in the rest. just a thought.

 

fun draft so far. thanks for sharing it with us.

[NAn 39]

Some folks have been critical of your picks, Sweetness, but the reality is that you're no worse than any of those teams. Seeing the rosters really puts things in perspective........

 

The argument can be made, of course, that you could be better than you currently are....but in looking at the rosters, you're solid, I think.

 

I'll add that it's easy for us to play Monday Morning QB with this, so take what we have to say with a grain of salt (as it sounds like you are).

 

Even mocks are different than when the bullets are really flying.

 

I'd say all of us, to a man, in FF have made our share of picks that would have the masses going when it's the real deal.

 

Heck, looking at other rosters...don't really see anyone 'heads and shoulders' above the others, so you're doing allright.

 

I'll add my appreciation for sharing this with us as it's been great learning for us drafting closer to the season.

[Sweetness_34 0]

i understand the logic of the carson palmer pick, but im not really buying it. i agree, you want to have him there by the end of the year probably. however, how sure are you that he was going to go soon? only 1 other QB had even been taken yet, and by no means do i think palmer was the next best QB avialable in everyones minds. people like brady, mcnabb, bulger, etc could be going soon and could have easily all gone before palmer. in my opinion, you had a 50/50 shot of seeing palmer fall to your 6.7 pick. between now and then, i would expect about 5-6 QBs go off the board at most. possibly as low as 3-4. i think you would have been much better off taking the upside RB of your choice here -- bell, for me -- and then waiting on palmer or, if need be, trading up. something like a 6/7 for low 5/8 wouldve probably done the trick... then youd have your stud QB, a very solid trio of RBs, two very good WRs, and could use the 8s and beyond to find a third WR.

 

on the flipside, you now wait until 6.7 to get backups and are in a position where you really need a good 3rd RB (due to age on your first two) and you also need a very good backup QB (palmer's injury). now youre stuck using 6.7 on a (likely) so-so backup RB, then another RB probably in the 7th or 8th along with your 3rd WR, and then you have to use your 8th or 9th already to make sure you secure a top backup QB. youre left not taking TE, D, K, or any backup WRs until the 10th round and beyond this way, from how i am seeing it.

 

you took a gamble and the team depends greatly on palmers knee now. youre going to have a very strong starting lineup all around. if the lineup stays healthy, you will be a top contender. but if palmer starts ailing or one of your older guys shows his age, i feel like you may be looking at weaker depth than you like when youre trying to fill in the gaps.

 

i respect the risk, and i understand the logic of wanting palmer -- just dont agree with the pick there.

 

on the flipside, one last thought -- lets say it gets to the late 5th and someone like dillon or jones or bell is still falling... why not do a similar 6/7 for 5/8 trade as i have suggested above? youd end up with the same results -- great QB, three good RBs, two good WRs, and then picks 8 and later to fill in the rest. just a thought.

 

fun draft so far. thanks for sharing it with us.

 

Da Bomb - I am going to closely follow all of the picks and I will pull the trigger on a trade if I see one that makes sense due to someone falling etc

 

I can get a 3rd and 4th WR late (Kennison, McCardell, Terry Glenn, Muhsin M etc etc), so my focus will be RB and Qb depth whenever I think the value is there. Also, I can get a very good TE late too (LJ SMith, Dallas Clark, Heath Miller etc etc and take some depth like Kellen Winslow etc to ensure I do not get screwed at that position).

 

 

What is everyone's thoughts on a Deuce McAllister and a Ahman Green?

 

Both coming back from injuries so I am sure I will get the "old and IR team" jokes again, but in general, where do people see their ADPs to be?

[SoloMatisse 0]

Da Bomb - I am going to closely follow all of the picks and I will pull the trigger on a trade if I see one that makes sense due to someone falling etc

 

I can get a 3rd and 4th WR late (Kennison, McCardell, Terry Glenn, Muhsin M etc etc), so my focus will be RB and Qb depth whenever I think the value is there. Also, I can get a very good TE late too (LJ SMith, Dallas Clark, Heath Miller etc etc and take some depth like Kellen Winslow etc to ensure I do not get screwed at that position).

What is everyone's thoughts on a Deuce McAllister and a Ahman Green?

 

Both coming back from injuries so I am sure I will get the "old and IR team" jokes again, but in general, where do people see their ADPs to be?

 

 

You take those 2 old jokers and I will personally start a pool on whether or not you'll finish in last place.

 

Go young and INJURY RISK free for goodness sake.

[Queso Viejo 0]

I don't like Ahman Green this year. You've got Gado and Davenport in the mix, they didn't really address any of their offensive line issues and the WR corps isn't any better than it was last year. The defense is going to be marginally better, but not enough to keep the team competitive. I'll let someone else have that train wreck.

 

I think Deuce is going to bounce back a bit and put up good enough numbers to be a borderline #2 and great #3 RB. Bush is going to get 15-20 touches a game, but that's going to be kick returns, receiving, and rushing. Someone has to be the workhorse and be able to punch it in from the 1 yard line. That guy is Deuce, he hasn't forgotten how to play football.

 

Bush is the sexy pick, but he's not a 25 carry a game RB. That's why Lendale White had such great numbers at USC.

 

If I'm drafting in the 6th/7th round and Deuce is sitting for me I'll be taking him. Bum knee and all. I say he still puts up 1000yds and 8-10 TD's.

[Gepetto 1,367]

I would have taken Chris Chambers over D. Jackson at 3.05, but D. Jax is more steady week to week and solid.

 

I would have taken Carson Palmer at 4.07. Nice pick!

 

I would have taken T. Jones or C. Dillon at 4.10.

 

I like your draft. That trade down for Randy Moss was perfect.

 

Tiki Barber, Randy Moss, and Carson Palmer is a GREAT nucleus. Each of these guys could lead their positions in fantasy stats this year.

 

Tight ends I like are Todd Heap (6th or 7th round), Chris Cooley (9th round), and Vernon Davis (9th or 10th round or maybe even later).

 

Running backs I would look for in the 6th and 7th rounds on are:

1. Thomas Jones (probably will be gone)

2. Corey Dillon (probably will be gone)

3. Adaai (might be gone)

4. DeAngelo Williams and Deshaun Foster

5. Lawrence Maroney

6. LenDale White

7. Cedric Benson

8. Tatum Bell

 

Wide Receivers to look at:

1. Joey Galloway

2. Deion Branch

3. Mushin Muhammad

4. Terry Glenn

5. Derrick Mason

6. Rod Smith

7. Ernest Wilford

8. Laverneous Coles

9. Lee Evans

10.Eric Moulds

[Sweetness_34 0]

You take those 2 old jokers and I will personally start a pool on whether or not you'll finish in last place.

 

Go young and INJURY RISK free for goodness sake.

 

ROTFLMAO Solo

 

 

The thought of a rebound year does intrigue me though with both of them.....I know I know....old, injured etc etc

 

But like someone else said, is Reggie going to be punching in the TDs from the goal line? I really do not think so.

[Gepetto 1,367]

Advice for Sweetness and for everyone:

 

Avoid Deuce McAllister.

Avoid Javon Walker.

 

I love how people are still ranking Javon Walker and Andre Johnson too high.

Just like last year. Hopefully people at least finally learned their lesson about Ashley Lelie. Oh and Nate Burleson is another one I get a good laugh at it. I love people taking these bums and letting better players fall to me.

[SoloMatisse 0]

ROTFLMAO Solo

 

 

The thought of a rebound year does intrigue me though with both of them.....I know I know....old, injured etc etc

 

But like someone else said, is Reggie going to be punching in the TDs from the goal line? I really do not think so.

 

 

Id say this...you keep your fingers crossed tight enough, you may just luck out and get one of the available RB combos. I know youre aware of each one.

 

Colts

Pats

Bears

 

All 6 of those backs are still available right, with the QB run about to happen? You lucky dog. we'll see how it works out for you.

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

Advice for Sweetness and for everyone:

 

Avoid Deuce McAllister.

Avoid Javon Walker.

 

I love how people are still ranking Javon Walker and Andre Johnson too high.

Just like last year. Hopefully people at least finally learned their lesson about Ashley Lelie. Oh and Nate Burleson is another one I get a good laugh at it. I love people taking these bums and letting better players fall to me.

 

 

You sound like a genius......in hindsight.

 

Pu-lease.

 

Bums?

 

Walker, Johnson, Burleson, and Lelie were all players who's stats had risen each year they were in the league. They're all young guys that had a lot of upside. They were all good picks going into 2005. You're going to tell me now that you knew all of them would be bad picks before the season?

 

You're either full of crap or you're not very good at FF.

[Da Bomb 0]

Da Bomb - I am going to closely follow all of the picks and I will pull the trigger on a trade if I see one that makes sense due to someone falling etc

 

I can get a 3rd and 4th WR late (Kennison, McCardell, Terry Glenn, Muhsin M etc etc), so my focus will be RB and Qb depth whenever I think the value is there. Also, I can get a very good TE late too (LJ SMith, Dallas Clark, Heath Miller etc etc and take some depth like Kellen Winslow etc to ensure I do not get screwed at that position).

What is everyone's thoughts on a Deuce McAllister and a Ahman Green?

 

Both coming back from injuries so I am sure I will get the "old and IR team" jokes again, but in general, where do people see their ADPs to be?

 

i agree with the strategy of waiting on your 3rd and 4th WR and TE til later. those positions are so incredibly easy to fill. meanwhile you can be adding another (or even 2 more) solid RBs to your squad here. you have your two stalwart starters now, so id stray from the boring sure-thing types where you know what you get, and its not a lot at this point (see ahman green) and go for the boom or bust sorts (see tatum bell or rookies). guys that fit the bill and are available still:

• thomas jones - no brainer if hes still there that late.
  
• cedric benson - i really hate this guy, and i think hes pretty crappy. i dont buy all the talk of him suddenly starring for chicago this year. but youre the homer on this one.
  
• ahman green - sorta hard to tell if hes an upside guy or just old and boring at this point. because its PPR, hes at least worth considering, but he has pooper and gado in his way and already split a lot of carries last year when "healthy." history of injury problems.
  
• deangelo williams - this is a guy i personally love. best RB in the draft from my perspective, and huge upside. foster has an awful injury history, and williams was a stud in college. john fox runs runs runs the football and carolina RBs have an awesome recent history (see s davis, dee brown, and the guy from the end of the 2004 season)
  
• deshaun foster - cant remember if hes gone or not, but ive already said i dont care for him and his injuries.
  
• deuce mcallister - obviously an upside potential guy. what will they do with bush and deuce? few people remember, but a few years ago deuce was in this situation as well, as ricky williams' backup. he didnt get much PT. will they let deuce get 20 carries while bush gets 5 carries, a reverse, some catches, and a few kick returns? i have to believe they'll get bush more touches than that. deuce has huge potential as a talented player, esp in a PPR league, but the injury and bush make him real hard to figure out.
  
• kevan barlow / frank gore - hey a starter is a starter. who knows who it will be though...
  
• corey dillon - i dont see any way he lasts much longer, but hes surprised me by slipping this far. maroney is there now, but hes a poor blocker and not a great receiver, very raw, so he will not step in as quickly as folks think. dillon could still be dillon for one or two more years, and he should still get TD opps. could have a stephen davis 2005 type season.
  
• laurence maroney - see dillon above for my thoughts here. not a big fan, for this season. and im a gopher homer too.
  
• dominick rhodes - i personally think with all his experience, hes going to be the guy for most of this year, and i like his value at this point...
  
• joseph addai - ...but not so much addai's unless you have rhodes too
  
• fred taylor - bleh.
  
• chris brown - falling quite under the radar. if he is healthy, he puts up great numbers, many times 100 yards in the first half. but hes playing with a weak line and qb, and he has both henry and lendale pushing for time and an offensive coordinator (chow) who has a history of using more than one RB. considering browns injury history, and the fact that both henry and lendale are excellent goalline backs, that does not bode well.
  
• ron dayne - not really a guy i want to waste a pick on personally, but that means...
  
• tatum bell - ... that bell is a STEAL this late. huge upside. huge bust potential too, obviously. i need not list recent denver RBs who've had success in that system to sell this one.
  

i count 8-10 guys in there who would be really nice RB depth to have. that makes me think twice about recommending a trade up into the 5th. unless theres one guy who you really really like -- for me, that could be tatum bell's value falling this far -- i might stay at 6.7 because youre going to get one of those guys there. as a matter of fact, heres a new idea to consider. what if you could trade your 7/8 for a 6/9 so that you had two 6s... and then draft rhodes and addai, or bell and dayne, or foster and deangelo, or dillon and maroney, or jones and benson. especially that indy combo is intriguing to me. it would leave you with two 9s where youd want to grab a pair of WRs probably, but it would give you 3-4 top RB prospects. interesting idea.

[Gepetto 1,367]

You sound like a genius......in hindsight.

 

Pu-lease.

 

Bums?

 

Walker, Johnson, Burleson, and Lelie were all players who's stats had risen each year they were in the league. They're all young guys that had a lot of upside. They were all good picks going into 2005. You're going to tell me now that you knew all of them would be bad picks before the season?

 

You're either full of crap or you're not very good at FF.

 

Jarvis,

 

I felt that way about those guys before the draft last year. You sound like you still like them.

 

In my 10-team re-draft last year I drafted

1. Julius Jones

2. Willis McGahee

3. Chad Johnson

4. Steve Smith

5. Darrell Jackson

6. Warrick Dunn

7. Carson Palmer

8. Jake Delhomme

9. Randy McMichael

 

In week 7 traded Warrick Dunn for Dominick Davis and Joe Horn.

 

I picked up Gado as a free agent as soon as he was available.

 

Despite injuries to Julius Jones, D. Davis, and Gado I got 2nd place. 2nd place sucks.

[Sweetness_34 0]

i agree with the strategy of waiting on your 3rd and 4th WR and TE til later. those positions are so incredibly easy to fill. meanwhile you can be adding another (or even 2 more) solid RBs to your squad here. you have your two stalwart starters now, so id stray from the boring sure-thing types where you know what you get, and its not a lot at this point (see ahman green) and go for the boom or bust sorts (see tatum bell or rookies). guys that fit the bill and are available still:

• thomas jones - no brainer if hes still there that late.
  
• cedric benson - i really hate this guy, and i think hes pretty crappy. i dont buy all the talk of him suddenly starring for chicago this year. but youre the homer on this one.
  
• ahman green - sorta hard to tell if hes an upside guy or just old and boring at this point. because its PPR, hes at least worth considering, but he has pooper and gado in his way and already split a lot of carries last year when "healthy." history of injury problems.
  
• deangelo williams - this is a guy i personally love. best RB in the draft from my perspective, and huge upside. foster has an awful injury history, and williams was a stud in college. john fox runs runs runs the football and carolina RBs have an awesome recent history (see s davis, dee brown, and the guy from the end of the 2004 season)
  
• deshaun foster - cant remember if hes gone or not, but ive already said i dont care for him and his injuries.
  
• deuce mcallister - obviously an upside potential guy. what will they do with bush and deuce? few people remember, but a few years ago deuce was in this situation as well, as ricky williams' backup. he didnt get much PT. will they let deuce get 20 carries while bush gets 5 carries, a reverse, some catches, and a few kick returns? i have to believe they'll get bush more touches than that. deuce has huge potential as a talented player, esp in a PPR league, but the injury and bush make him real hard to figure out.
  
• kevan barlow / frank gore - hey a starter is a starter. who knows who it will be though...
  
• corey dillon - i dont see any way he lasts much longer, but hes surprised me by slipping this far. maroney is there now, but hes a poor blocker and not a great receiver, very raw, so he will not step in as quickly as folks think. dillon could still be dillon for one or two more years, and he should still get TD opps. could have a stephen davis 2005 type season.
  
• laurence maroney - see dillon above for my thoughts here. not a big fan, for this season. and im a gopher homer too.
  
• dominick rhodes - i personally think with all his experience, hes going to be the guy for most of this year, and i like his value at this point...
  
• joseph addai - ...but not so much addai's unless you have rhodes too
  
• fred taylor - bleh.
  
• chris brown - falling quite under the radar. if he is healthy, he puts up great numbers, many times 100 yards in the first half. but hes playing with a weak line and qb, and he has both henry and lendale pushing for time and an offensive coordinator (chow) who has a history of using more than one RB. considering browns injury history, and the fact that both henry and lendale are excellent goalline backs, that does not bode well.
  
• ron dayne - not really a guy i want to waste a pick on personally, but that means...
  
• tatum bell - ... that bell is a STEAL this late. huge upside. huge bust potential too, obviously. i need not list recent denver RBs who've had success in that system to sell this one.
  

i count 8-10 guys in there who would be really nice RB depth to have. that makes me think twice about recommending a trade up into the 5th. unless theres one guy who you really really like -- for me, that could be tatum bell's value falling this far -- i might stay at 6.7 because youre going to get one of those guys there. as a matter of fact, heres a new idea to consider. what if you could trade your 7/8 for a 6/9 so that you had two 6s... and then draft rhodes and addai, or bell and dayne, or foster and deangelo, or dillon and maroney, or jones and benson. especially that indy combo is intriguing to me. it would leave you with two 9s where youd want to grab a pair of WRs probably, but it would give you 3-4 top RB prospects. interesting idea.

 

Yes I will be looking into trading into the 6th round......also, Tatum just went and so did Brady. The QB run has begun

 

At least 6 to 8 more Qbs will go before I pick IMHO

[Da Bomb 0]

i doubt 6-8 will go. a bunch of them will be waiting on QB as thats a trendy thing to do now. whats the update on actual picks in the 4th and 5th rounds? what pick are you on?

 

if tatum is gone, i think i would look at staying at your 6.7 (not trading up) and getting one of the remaining RBs, and then seriously consider acquiring another 6th rounder if theres another RB left that you like. esp if you could get the rhodes/addai combo as a backup and bide your time to see which becomes gold (you know one of them probably will) by midseason, when cumar is starting to wear down.

[ellisonb11 0]

Some folks have been critical of your picks, Sweetness, but the reality is that you're no worse than any of those teams. Seeing the rosters really puts things in perspective........

 

The argument can be made, of course, that you could be better than you currently are....but in looking at the rosters, you're solid, I think.

 

yea i agree w/ fumble.. compared with the other teams, urs is not one of the worst at all. good luck in ur future rounds.

[Sweetness_34 0]

Updated:

 

1.01 LJ

1.02 LT

1.03 Shaun Alexander

1.04 Edge

1.05 Steven Jackson

1.06 Tiki Barber (my pick)

1.07 Portis

1.08 Lamont Jordan

1.09 Rudi Johnson

1.10 Caddy

1.11 Ronnie Brown

1.12 Mcgahee

2.01 Westbrook

2.02 Dom Davis

2.03 Steve Smith

2.04 Chad Johnson

2.05 Peyton Manning

2.06 Torry Holt

2.07 TO

2.08 Fitzgerald

2.09 Harrison

2.10 Randy Moss (my pick after trade down from 2.07 => got up from 3.05=>3.06 & 4.10=>5.06 too)

2.11 Boldin

2.12 Julius Jones

3.01 Antonio Gates

3.02 Reggie Bush

3.03 Reggie Wayne

3.04 Jamal Lewis

3.05 Darrell Jackson (My Pick)

3.06 Chris Chambers

3.07 Chester Taylor (your boy scooter )

3.08 Hines Ward

3.09 Kevin Jones

3.10 Reuben Droughns

3.11 Roy Williams/WR

3.12 Willie Parker

4.01 Warrick Dunn

4.02 Santana Moss

4.03 Plaxico Burress

4.04 Joe Horn

4.05 Donald Driver

4.06 Houshmandzadeh

4.07 Carson Palmer (My Pick)

4.08 Jeremy Shockey

4.09 Javon Walker

4.10 Curtis Martin (My Pick)

4.11 Tony Gonzalez

4.12 Tom Brady

5.01 Tatum Bell

 

My Next Pick - 6.07

 

==================

 

Updated Rosters:

 

Angry Squirrels:

RB LaDainian Tomlinson SDC 0.00 1.02 3

RB Reggie Bush FA 0.00 3.02 0

WR Anquan Boldin ARI 0.00 2.11 9

TE Tony Gonzalez KCC 0.00 4.11 3

 

$teelerMike

QB Tom Brady NEP 0.00 5.01 6

RB Larry Johnson KCC 0.00 1.01 3

RB Julius Jones DAL 0.00 2.12 3

TE Antonio Gates SDC 0.00 3.01 3

RB Tatum Bell DEN 0.00 4.12 4

 

Ohio River-Rats

RB Edgerrin James IND 0.00 1.04 6

RB Reuben Droughns CLE 0.00 3.10 6

WR Marvin Harrison IND 0.00 2.09 6

WR Javon Walker GBP 0.00 4.09 6

 

Flying Ostriches (this guy traded out of 1.03 - the Shaun Alexander pick)

RB Willie Parker PIT 0.00 3.12 4

RB Warrick Dunn ATL 0.00 4.01 5

WR Terrell Owens PHI 0.00 2.07 9

WR Larry Fitzgerald ARI 0.00 2.08 9

WR Chris Chambers MIA 0.00 3.06 8

 

Prairie Oysters

RB Carnell Williams TBB 0.00 1.10 4

RB Jamal Lewis BAL 0.00 3.04 7

WR Steve Smith CAR 0.00 2.03 9

WR Plaxico Burress NYG 0.00 4.03 4

 

Keyser Soze

RB Ronnie Brown MIA 0.00 1.11 8

RB Domanick Davis HOU 0.00 2.02 5

WR Roy Williams DET 0.00 3.11 8

WR Santana Moss WAS 0.00 4.02 8

 

BerthaC (this guy traded up for 1.03 by giving up the 2/3/4 rounders)

RB Shaun Alexander SEA 0.00 1.03 5

RB Steven Jackson STL 0.00 1.05 7

 

Vipers

RB Willis McGahee BUF 0.00 1.12 8

RB Brian Westbrook PHI 0.00 2.01 9

WR Reggie Wayne IND 0.00 3.03 6

TE Jeremy Shockey NYG 0.00 4.08 4

 

Feisty Ferrets

RB Clinton Portis WAS 0.00 1.07 8

RB Chester Taylor BAL 0.00 3.07 7

WR Torry Holt STL 0.00 2.06 7

WR TJ Houshmandzadeh CIN 0.00 4.06 5

 

Godzilla

RB Rudi Johnson CIN 0.00 1.09 5

RB Kevin Jones DET 0.00 3.09 8

WR Chad Johnson CIN 0.00 2.04 5

WR Joe Horn NOS 0.00 4.04 7

 

Steagles

QB Peyton Manning IND 0.00 2.05 6

RB LaMont Jordan OAK 0.00 1.08 3

WR Hines Ward PIT 0.00 3.08 4

WR Donald Driver GBP 0.00 4.05 6

 

Da Bears (My team)

QB Carson Palmer CIN 0.00 4.07 5

RB Tiki Barber NYG 0.00 1.06 4

RB Curtis Martin NYJ 0.00 4.10 9

WR Randy Moss OAK 0.00 2.10 3

WR Darrell Jackson SEA 0.00 3.05 5