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Jerry Porter...DUMB pick league...Draft COMMENTARY...take 2.

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Ace & Miller - good points, all - but it still goes against the previously stated methodology for picking a player for someone.

 

Handcuffing is important, but if picking for someone, that's a HUGE assumption to make.

 

The guy has no starting QB either - and it's a long time until his next pick. According to solo's stated methodology for picking for someone, that pick should have been QB or TE, and given as you all pointed out the balance of TEs left, QB is the position that is more shallow that this point, and that he needed most.

 

As for the comment that it puzzles me because it would have been my next pick, it wouldn't have been. I was targeting for the pick after that - and I'm not convinced that Ace would have taken him. If handcuffing is so important, then why wouldn't Ace handcuff one of his own backs here? Consistency helps to make arguments convincing, and as such I am 100% unconvinced.

 

I think it's especially problematic that solo also needs a QB. Had he picked the best QB available (which by his stated methodology should have been the pick for a team with 3 RBs and 2 WRs) it most certainly would have impacted his own draft. I'm not saying that's why he picked Perry, but I'm saying it doesn't look good and serves to highlight why having a league member pick for someone is a bad idea altogether - especially a league member who's picking after that pick. If solo was behind him, it'd be a whole different picture. As he isn't, there's a conflict of interest.

 

Not bashing on anyone or saying I think anyone's cheating - just stating what I think is the obvious.

 

My take is that the Kennison pick stands - it goes with the stated methodology. It was the highest ranked player at the WR position, where he only had 1 and throwing him back a round+ later would give another team an advantage. But I think since we're still in the round Perry was taken that we hold the draft and Parrot should have the opportunity to toss back Perry and pick who he wants. He's going to be checking in, and it's not like the draft is going that fast anyway. It's close enough to the pick that it would not create imbalance by tossing him back, except that it highlights a player's name who's not been taken. And parrot said himself that it's not who he would have taken.

 

I say hold up and allow him that opportunity. I am really not happy about that pick, and contrary to suggestion, it has nothing to do with whether I wanted him or not. It has to do with the inconsistency of picking a 4th RB (a backup/handcuff) for a team with 3 RBs, 2 WRs and 0 QBs/TEs with +/-20 picks between until his next pick. That doesn't make sense. Obviously you can make a case for the pick - I could make a case for any pick. But it's not consistent with the method that was suppossed to be employed and that is the only reason I have an issue with it.

 

I think we should at least ask Parrot if this idea appeals to him, and go from there.

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Easy question to answer.....

 

Because both Steven jackson and Willis McGahee don't have clear handcuffs. And the guys who I suspect WILL be the handcuffs will be available MUCH later in the draft. In the case of Jackson there is a good chance his "handcuff" will actually out-and-out retire.

 

As opposed to Chris Perry who is on everyone's radar and actually CAUGHT 51 passes last year. Given the fact it's a PPR league this alone makes him worth a 7-9th round pick.

 

And once again.....I can guarantee you i would have taken Perry at 9.09. I have no reason to lie, it doesn't benefit me one way or the other.

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Not getting into the rest of the crap, but as far as pure value, you can't look at Perry as a cuff, he has the potential to catch more balls then some of the WR's left!! In a ppr league, his value is much more then a cuff, which i thought was obvious to any knowledgable fantasy football owner. In a competitive ppr league ,Perry should go in the 8th round, if you want him later then that, hey there's always Yahoo leagues.

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Easy question to answer.....

 

Because both Steven jackson and Willis McGahee don't have clear handcuffs. And the guys who I suspect WILL be the handcuffs will be available MUCH later in the draft. In the case of Jackson there is a good chance his "handcuff" will actually out-and-out retire.

 

As opposed to Chris Perry who is on everyone's radar and actually CAUGHT 51 passes last year. Given the fact it's a PPR league this alone makes him worth a 7-9th round pick.

 

And once again.....I can guarantee you i would have taken Perry at 9.09. I have no reason to lie, it doesn't benefit me one way or the other.

 

Fair enough, BUT it still goes against the stated methodology, and while perhaps it doesn't benefit you, it DOES benetit solomattise.

 

I'm not saying that's his reason for doing it, but the appearance of impropriety serves him poorly here.

 

I stand by my suggestion: Parrot should be allowed the option with Perry. That's the only neutral way to handle it. He was dinged for his absence by missing out on the players picked between Perry & now...that should be sufficient punishment. But he should be allowed to make this pick after being skipped a couple times. Too many picks between now and then, and the method used to pick Perry is NOT in allignment with the stated method.

 

That, to me, is the most compelling reason. everything else is fun to argue, but not as important to the situation at hand. The pick should be made according to the way that solo laid out, and in Perry's case it clearly was not. I don't even think it was close. QB1, TE1 or WR3 (starting roster positions) are all more important than a handcuff RB4 at that point. Especially since he already has a BYE week RB3. Perry's PPR is great, except as a RB4 it's on his bench and he has 3 starting spots (not K/D) left to fill - that alone goes against the stated method, since Perry was not his "need" pick.

 

Not getting into the rest of the crap, but as far as pure value, you can't look at Perry as a cuff, he has the potential to catch more balls then some of the WR's left!! In a ppr league, his value is much more then a cuff, which i thought was obvious to any knowledgable fantasy football owner. In a competitive ppr league ,Perry should go in the 8th round, if you want him later then that, hey there's always Yahoo leagues.

I never disagreed with this. I think Perry is a fine player and a fine value. But that is 100% irrelevant at this point. With all due respect, please stop arguing why Perry was a good value here because it's besides the point. Your slight about knowledge and yahoo leagues is not worth responding to, save to point out that it is irrelevant because you're preaching to the choir about his obvious value. But his value doesn't make him the "highest rated player that is a need for his roster".

 

You aren't in the league, so you may not be aware that solo had this as his criteria for picking for someone. Now you know. :thumbsup:

 

This is the reason I take issue with it, and as mentioned - while fun to debate about the pick, everything else is really ancilary to the fact that the pick was not in allignment with the stated method for picking for someone. In the very least, Parrot should be given the option here.

 

And believe me - with 3 picks to go until my selection, the LAST thing I want to do is delay this again - but I think it's the right/fair way to handle it.

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Sorry dude.

 

You either allow him the option to throw back EITHER player or none. But to say "He has to keep Kennison" but he can "throw back Perry" is not fair. You said it yourself....you compromise the draft by doing this. Why all of a sudden is it ok. The pick has been made. Stay consistent with your thought process. Don't just yell and scream because a guy who you thought you could "steal" a round or two later was taken for the betterment of the dude's squad.

 

I am COMPLETELY against your suggestion. Either give him the option for BOTH players or neither. Having said that he'll have to make that decision knowing full well there isn't a chance in you-know-where that he'll get Perry on the way back.

 

In addition....if he is allowed to throw back either player and actually DOES make the decision to do so....every team that has picked since that selection should be given the option to throw back their pick for either Kennison or Perry. That's the only fair way to do it.

 

For the record, my official stance is just have him keep the 2 picks and let's move on. I'm just throwing out these statement in case Mr. self-proclaimed "co-commish" decides to yell and scream about this.

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Not my league, but having full executive control to do what i think is best for Ellison's team, got to ask, if he opts out of that pick, anyone picking after him HAS to have the right to take that player right??? If you don't, that is focked up. Those picks were all made under the assumption that both Kennison and Perry were gone. If they were not, and one of those teams wanted one of the players, they shoudl have every right to pick them instead of their original pick.

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Sorry dude.

 

You either allow him the option to throw back EITHER player or none. But to say "He has to keep Kennison" but he can "throw back Perry" is not fair. You said it yourself....you compromise the draft by doing this. Why all of a sudden is it ok. The pick has been made. Stay consistent with your thought process. Don't just yell and scream because a guy who you thought you could "steal" a round or two later was taken for the betterment of the dude's squad.

 

I am COMPLETELY against your suggestion. Either give him the option for BOTH players or neither. Having said that he'll have to make that decision knowing full well there isn't a chance in you-know-where that he'll get Perry on the way back.

 

In addition....if he is allowed to throw back either player and actually DOES make the decision to do so....every team that has picked since that selection should be given the option to throw back their pick for either Kennison or Perry. That's the only fair way to do it.

 

There's only been a few picks since the Perry pick. Same round, same value. If perry is tossed back, it benefits no one unfairly.

 

And more importantly , the Kennison pick is 100% in allignment with the steted methodology: "need pick (WR2) and highest rated at the position".

 

The Perry pick does not. QB1, TE1 or WR3 were all more important and in allignment with the stated methodology.

 

This shouldn't require repetition, but since you disputed, there you go. Consistency: need pick and highest rated. Perry was not the need pick, so the option should be given. It's only a couple of picks later - at least ask Parrot if this interests him.

 

 

Ps - Your comments about my self interest are deeply insulting and 100% unecessary - that is my only response to those as it's not worthy of deeper consideration. The only thing I will comment on is this: I was not "self appointed", solo asked me to be co-commish. If you want to keep making idiotic assumptions and stating them as fact, I will simply start ignoring you. :(

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Not my league, but having full executive control to do what i think is best for Ellison's team, got to ask, if he opts out of that pick, anyone picking after him HAS to have the right to take that player right??? If you don't, that is focked up. Those picks were all made under the assumption that both Kennison and Perry were gone. If they were not, and one of those teams wanted one of the players, they shoudl have every right to pick them instead of their original pick.

 

 

Word. See my post above.

 

I'm just gonna lay it out like this..

 

If Scooter cries and yells and gets his way and somehow ends up with Chris Perry on his roster I'm leaving the league. Plain and Simple. Perry isn't even that great but it's just the principle of the matter....if you guys give into this tool now....during the draft....he'll cry and scream all year to get his way when something else in the league doesn't go his way.

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Not my league, but having full executive control to do what i think is best for Ellison's team, got to ask, if he opts out of that pick, anyone picking after him HAS to have the right to take that player right??? If you don't, that is focked up. Those picks were all made under the assumption that both Kennison and Perry were gone. If they were not, and one of those teams wanted one of the players, they shoudl have every right to pick them instead of their original pick.

 

A very good point, and I'd be ok with that too.

 

To your point, those managers should be absolutely allowed to weigh in on this - if they all got who they wanted, and Perry was not one they'd have picked, then there's no issue whatsoever with Parrot tossing him back.

 

The important thing to me is that the pick was not made under the parameters laid out for picking for someone. I cannot say this often enough. That is the compelling reason that has me posting about this. I've been pretty laid back throughout with solo's "executive decisions" to pick for people and haven't raised any sand - I even supported the Kennison pick.

 

I sincerely hope you all recognize that I am not arguing for this to be a d!ck or to say anyone's doing anything sketchy - I just think the Perry pick, while done with al good intentions, was inconsistent with the way that we agreed would be handled for an absent owner. As such, and since only a few picks have passed, I am proposing a way that I think is fair to rectify it. There's a hell of a lot of picks between now and Parrot's next, and he should be afforded the courtesy of being able to take who he wants here.

 

Word. See my post above.

 

I'm just gonna lay it out like this..

 

If Scooter cries and yells and gets his way and somehow ends up with Chris Perry on his roster I'm leaving the league. Plain and Simple. Perry isn't even that great but it's just the principle of the matter....if you guys give into this tool now....during the draft....he'll cry and scream all year to get his way when something else in the league doesn't go his way.

 

I will tell you right now and with no uncertainty: If this happens, I WILL NOT take Perry. I have no interest in this and I deeply resent the implication that I am arguing this for my benefit. You are obviously not reading anything I've said on the matter. And you threatening to leave the league while bashing on me for "crying" is a joke.

 

I am arguing for this because it goes againt the stated method for picking for someone. PERIOD

 

Get off your trip about me debating this for my own selfish interests - you're really pushing it, and inappropriately. Try reading what I'm saying instead of assuming anything. I'm calling it like I see it and I WILL NOT take Perry regardless. You're welcome to him - I have more pressing roster needs. Now you're getting to the point of being rude and insulting, and I have been polite throughout. Try to keep it civil and we'll get along great. I'm not "crying" about anything - I just believe in consistency. And the Perry pick is not consistent with Parrot's needs nor is it consistent with the method we all agreed would be employed.

 

The Kennison pick was in allignment with the method solo laid out, and the Perry pick was not. My championing this cause begins and ends there. I cannot post this enough times. It is as simple as that.

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I agree it's a tricky situation when somebody is skipped. It's impossible to know what two players g.p. was going to pick. He received Perry and Kennison and those are two very good picks. Let's move on not worry about what could've, should've, might've been.

 

The question is what are we going to do in the future. Like at noon when clash jumps over sweetness again?

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I agree it's a tricky situation when somebody is skipped. It's impossible to know what two players g.p. was going to pick. He received Perry and Kennison and those are two very good picks. Let's move on not worry about what could've, should've, might've been.

 

The question is what are we going to do in the future. Like at noon when clash jumps over sweetness again?

 

That's just it, Joc - it's not that tricky. Best available at the most needed position. That was the statement of how an absentee pick would be made. It was not an ambiguous criteria - it was the stated method.

 

How is a handcuff RB4 more important than a QB1 (when there are few left) a TE1, or a WR3, all starting positions?

 

If someone can effectively explain that, and explain how that is in allignment with the agreed upon method for picking someone, I'll drop this.

 

Kennison was in allignment with it - Perry was not. As such, and because it's only been a few picks, this should at least be considered. If we want to poll those who've picked in between and give each of them the option to toss back their last pick (in order) to take Perry, I'd be all for it. Then no one is impacted by it.

 

And in the event that Perry is not taken between then and my next picks, I will even vow to not take him when it comes by me this or next round - a concession I'd make just to prove once and for all that my own interests are not represented here.

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The question is what are we going to do in the future. Like at noon when clash jumps over sweetness again?

I have to check in the weekend anyways for Ellison, I have no allegiances to anyone here, I'd be more then heppy to make a neutral pick based on what i think is best for anyone if that will help any. I'm just passing time at work anyways, so if that will stop the bickering, I'm happy to help.

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I have to check in the weekend anyways for Ellison, I have no allegiances to anyone here, I'd be more then heppy to make a neutral pick based on what i think is best for anyone if that will help any. I'm just passing time at work anyways, so if that will stop the bickering, I'm happy to help.

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That's just it, Joc - it's not that tricky. Best available at the most needed position. That was the statement of how an absentee pick would be made. It was not an ambiguous criteria - it was the stated method.

 

How is a handcuff RB4 more important than a QB1 (when there are few left) a TE1, or a WR3, all starting positions?

 

If someone can effectively explain that, and explain how that is in allignment with the agreed upon method for picking someone, I'll drop this.

 

Kennison was in allignment with it - Perry was not. As such, and because it's only been a few picks, this should at least be considered. If we want to poll those who've picked in between and give each of them the option to toss back their last pick (in order) to take Perry, I'd be all for it. Then no one is impacted by it.

 

And in the event that Perry is not taken between then and my next picks, I will even vow to not take him when it comes by me this or next round - a concession I'd make just to prove once and for all that my own interests are not represented here.

 

Who is to say which is more important between rb#4 Qb#1 Te#1 and Wr#xxx? So far I only have rb's and wr's going into the 8th round pick. At this point I might be mad if you picked a TE and QB for me. I might say it's more important to take my #4 rb since we've taken 42 of them already and there are only a couple guys left I would want on my team and wait for my Qb at the 10th round (and still get a quality qb that I'd been targeting the whole time). :banana:

 

Bottom line is we don't know who grateful parrott was going to choose. He could have called somebody for an update waiting in those 1 hour lines, or sent his picks to someone. It really doesn't matter to me what we do if a person is skipped AS LONG AS WE KEEP IT CONSISTENT THE ENTIRE DRAFT. I personally won't be worried about getting skipped until July 31st, but I'm hoping we're done by then.

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Folks

 

I am leaving for a conference today. I just made my pick from the airport....will log in at night now.....will log in every day too, but I will not be available all the time to make my picks. I may be delayed in my picks but I should be able to make them all.....just take a chill pill everyone, especially you scooter, since you love to scream about eveyrone else and clean their back yards, when your backyard stinks the most

 

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Who is to say which is more important between rb#4 Qb#1 Te#1 and Wr#xxx? So far I only have rb's and wr's going into the 8th round pick. At this point I might be mad if you picked a TE and QB for me. I might say it's more important to take my #4 rb since we've taken 42 of them already and there are only a couple guys left I would want on my team and wait for my Qb at the 10th round (and still get a quality qb that I'd been targeting the whole time). :huh:

Come on.

 

This isn't even debatable. Who's to say who's more important? You're joking, right?

:banana:

 

Well jeez, I guess solo shoulda picked RB/RB for him then instead of Kennison, eh? :banana:

 

Let's keep this realistic. If you need, I can post a poll on the main forum asking people which is more important to a roster in the 8th round and i guarentee Rb4 handcuff would be the lowest vote getter.

 

Bottom line is we don't know who grateful parrott was going to choose. He could have called somebody for an update waiting in those 1 hour lines, or sent his picks to someone. It really doesn't matter to me what we do if a person is skipped AS LONG AS WE KEEP IT CONSISTENT THE ENTIRE DRAFT. I personally won't be worried about getting skipped until July 31st, but I'm hoping we're done by then.

 

Exactly why Parrot should be afforded the opportunity. Too many picks and to much ambiguity as to whether that handcuff RB4 was more important than a QB1.

 

And as mentioned, it does not go unnoticed that solo is one of the few teams remaining who also needs a QB1, and picks after him. Not saying he made the pick for his own self interests, but I can't be sure he didn't because of the circumstances. Whether it was intentional or not, the Perry pick directly benefits solo. That is indisputable, regardless of the intentions.

 

Sorry, but I don't think anyone would seriously argue that RB4 was the need position looking at the roster. The stated method was need and best available. I don't think Perry was either.

 

But it's not up to me - the people it should be up to are Parrot and the 4 people who picked after him. Why not let them weigh in? It's a democratic league, and that seems like the fair thing to do.

 

especially you scooter, since you love to scream about eveyrone else and clean their back yards, when your backyard stinks the most

 

:P

I have no idea what this means. I stand up for consistency and try to get Parrot's back, and you & Ace try to make it out as something bad about me - fascinating.

 

I won't even respond to this garbage - it's not worthy. :banana:

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Scooter I would consider mailing you a check if you didn't post one more time in this thread.

 

Do you have a mute button?

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Hey Scooter - - how many rounds did you say the world championship of ff drafts? Also, what is the starting lineup and scoring? When is draft day? Do you know what pick you are and how many teams?

 

I'm only curious b/c I'm wanting to know what you can take from this draft and apply :cry: . I'm looking for your perfect team when the time comes. B/C you had a ?? next to fwp as your 3rd or 4th pick here and we can't have ?? going into the championship of them all, what have you learned?

I was really surprised that my top 7 wr's were going by my 2.12 pick. I actually was targeting those two rb's (taylor and foster) believe it or not.

 

The 5-12 rounds seem like a crap shoot on stud rb's but if you choose a wr 2nd pick you get a stud. I also like the depth at wr/te/rb in these spots.

 

GROUP VOTE: WHAT POSITION DO YOU WISH TO DRAFT FROM IN YOUR BIG BOY LEAGUE? (note: if this is your big boy league you suck! :cry: )

 

#3 spot is my vote

 

getting back to more up-beat convo for the moment, I wanted to get back to you on this post.

 

http://www.wcoff.com will help you get lots of info, but I'll do what I can to save you some searching.

 

Not much applies from this draft to that, except the competition is at a high level in here which I think is similar. My private leagues are competitive, but run the gambit from risk takers to homer picks to very competent managers. Makes for unpredictable and equally challenging drafts, but in this league and the WCOFF I imagine people don't miss much or let a lot of value slide. That was my experience in a $500 league a few years ago.

 

But since the WCOFF is a flex league, it changes a lot. I still look at it as take best player available - it makes RBs a bit higher premium, but with PPR, it is somewhat balanced. If I play it correctly, I imagine that I'll have either a quality WR or RB, whichever slides to me for that flex spot.

 

Roster Requirements: Maximum of 20 players.

 

Starting lineups will consist of

1 QB

2 RB

3 WR

1 TE

1 Flex player (a RB or WR, or TE)

1 PK

1 Team Defense/Special team

 

 

So the draft is just as long, but only 1:35 to pick so it should go just a tad faster than this. lol :lol:

 

And I am great with any pick 1-4

 

Between 5 and 11 it's a bit dicey, but 12 is always attractive as well. I love the book-ends, as you get back-to-back picks. Can't beat that. You KNOW you'll get the 2 you want if they make it to you. Picking between 2 & 11 there's always that "uh oh" decision you have to make, evaluating opponents' rosters to see their needs, so you know which guy to take, and even then it's no guarentee they'll be there when it's your next pick.

 

In any case, it should be a blast and I'm getting really excited about it. If this league doesn't self destruct altogether, I'll be sure to keep you all posted when I get back as to how my draft went so you can rip me to shreds for it.

:cry:

 

 

Scooter I would consider mailing you a check if you didn't post one more time in this thread.

 

I'll take that as 100% assurance that you're wrong since you've consistently resorted to insults in the face of my reasonable arguments and suggestions.

Do you have a mute button?

 

I dunno - did your mother have any children that lived?

 

Keep it up - two can throw out childish insults as easily as you. I have been trying to handle this situation civilly.

 

That alone gives me more credibility here. Do me a favor and wake me when you say something remotely intelligent - for now you bore me. :lol:

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Wow, same ol' Scooter. He asks if you have a mute button, and you start talking about mothers and dead children. Classy.......no wonder why so many left this place as their primary board, ###### like this is allowed and encouraged.

 

How about you try to keep it to football talk and keep families out of the insults man, nothing pisses me off more then reading crap like that, and since we have done this same dance before I'd think you would have grown up and stopped this crap by now.

 

All you had to do is make a smart ass comment back, or, hmmm, maybe come up with a funny response. The over the top insults really are not needed.

 

Once again, you took a funny one liner and turned into a flame war....nice

I'll take that as 100% assurance that you're wrong since you've consistently resorted to insults in the face of my reasonable arguments and suggestions.

I dunno - did your mother have any children that lived?

 

Keep it up - two can throw out childish insults as easily as you. I have been trying to handle this situation civilly.

 

That alone gives me more credibility here. Do me a favor and wake me when you say something remotely intelligent - for now you bore me. :sleep:

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Scooter has it ever occurred to you that maybe....just maybe....YOU are the problem? It's not like I'm the only one who's told you a few things since this draft started. I've been on this board for almost 5 years and you're the first and only problem that I personally have had on this board.

 

Honestly dude.....you need to check yourself.

 

And one more thing...you're "jokes"....they're not funny. I'm not even saying that I find them offensive, I have a flexible sense of humor.....you're just simply not funny. Do you laugh at your own jokes alot?

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And on that note, I'm gone.

 

Ace: you acted like a child, and I don't even need to address it. I was being civil, you were not. The posts speak for themselves. Telling me to check myself changes none of that.

 

This league was a fun idea, but I tried to engage people in reasonable dialogue about something that I felt was handled inappropriately, and was met with insult after insult.

 

Now I am being singled out because I dared to use a one-liner back in response to yet another baseless insult by Ace after he rips me 5 times. It was meant as ironic - even spelled out as such.

 

That's it. I've had it. Have fun everyone - I'm sure my team will be easy to find a replacement for. It's just not worth the headache.

:sleep:

 

Oh, and since I'm quitting, I'll lay it on the table: It's insane that solo, needing a QB with very few viable starters left, picked a RB4 for a team with no QB that he picks after, and against all stated methodology. Regardless of intention, that looks mighty shady.

 

Enjoy your draft, folks, and see you around.

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Scooter - to each his own on draft position importance. I like rb's and wr's first then fill it in. Other's like to complete their starting roster and then back it up with depth.

 

8th round - I might just grab my 4th rb over my #1 te and #1 qb because I like depth in a long season. Not saying it's right ... just preference. I might lose that battle in a poll but oh well, maybe I draft a little differently than the masses.

 

Sweetness - - Dream draft :angry:

I will happily put up my Galloway, Stallworth, tjwhosyourdaddy, against Holt, smith, Moose :sleep:

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And on that note, I'm gone.

 

Ace: you acted like a child, and I don't even need to address it. I was being civil, you were not. The posts speak for themselves. Telling me to check myself changes none of that.

 

This league was a fun idea, but I tried to engage people in reasonable dialogue about something that I felt was handled inappropriately, and was met with insult after insult.

 

Now I am being singled out because I dared to use a one-liner back in response to yet another baseless insult by Ace after he rips me 5 times. It was meant as ironic - even spelled out as such.

 

That's it. I've had it. Have fun everyone - I'm sure my team will be easy to find a replacement for. It's just not worth the headache.

:thumbsup:

 

Oh, and since I'm quitting, I'll lay it on the table: It's insane that solo, needing a QB with very few viable starters left, picked a RB4 for a team with no QB that he picks after, and against all stated methodology. Regardless of intention, that looks mighty shady.

 

Enjoy your draft, folks, and see you around.

 

2 Tragedies here...

 

1) We lost Sooners because of this clown and now he ends up leaving

 

2) We're gonna have to pay someone from the main board to take over a team that drafted FWP as their #2 RB.

 

Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Good riddance. You're a cancer to the league and these forums in general. I have a feeling that NOW....this league will really take off. You're the type of tool that brings leagues down. You sit here and insult people and try to boss them around.....but when you get it in return you can't hack it. You realize that SEVERAL people have a problem with you so you're answer to the situation is to do what all losers do.....QUIT.

 

Just a thought....but how about we simply give his "team" to oldguru? He seems like a nice enough guy......he's got my vote.

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2 Tragedies here...

 

1) We lost Sooners because of this clown and now he ends up leaving

 

2) We're gonna have to pay someone from the main board to take over a team that drafted FWP as their #2 RB.

 

Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Good riddance. You're a cancer to the league and these forums in general. I have a feeling that NOW....this league will really take off. You're the type of tool that brings leagues down. You sit here and insult people and try to boss them around.....but when you get it in return you can't hack it. You realize that SEVERAL people have a problem with you so you're answer to the situation is to do what all losers do.....QUIT.

 

Just a thought....but how about we simply give his "team" to oldguru? He seems like a nice enough guy......he's got my vote.

 

Exactly the sort of baseless, low and insulting response I expected from you. What a classless moron. I would be shocked if oldguru wanted to play in a league with someone like you - he strikes me as having more sense than that.

 

The reality, regardless of how you wish to represent it, is that I stood up for Parrot, because I felt that his 2nd pick was not handled according to precident and the stated format. and despite being able to make a case for the pick, it wasn't his need, nor was it best available. Does anything else really matter? That was my opinion, you had yours. We disagreed. However, I was entirely civil towards you, despite your repeated insults. Shall I quote you? No - why spend the effort...it's all up there for anyone to see.

 

My presence in this league was a cancer, eh? Like taking hours to put together the draft list, and people's teams, and helping to play peacekeeper (of all things) several times. And now *I* was responsible for sooners leaving, huh? Funny - looked like he was responsible for it and everyone agreed.

 

My presence on these forums is a cancer too, eh? lmao. You're friggin hillarious. As though your being here since 2001 makes you special somehow. All it means is that FFT has had an insulting idiotic d0uche here since 2001. Congratulations.

 

Leaving this league has nothing to do with me being a quitter - I am the last person to quit something I've started. The irony here is that I am leaving because I had no interest to to engage in flame wars, or to be insulted by someone I've been respectful towards. Once again, your posts above speak for themselves. Like it would have been so hard for you to simply respect my opinion, as I had shown respect for yours.

 

So go ahead and lie about me, talk trash, insult my team - yada yada yada. Ask me how much I care. If you guessed, "not in the slightest" you'd be warm.

 

Good riddance indeed. :banana:

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UUUGGGGHHHHH - how is this happening again. Why do you guys get so mad about other peoples opinions? :thumbsup: . Hash it out - you don't have to agree with each other...and move on.

 

I'm still game if everyone else is.

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while we are all engaging in a mortal flame war...... let me speak on my soapbox again....

 

i'm more aggravated at someone like sweetness34...he's now timed out 3 times......he knew when he committed to this draft he was moving one weekend and going out-of-town the next...yet he never provided anyone a predraft list or got someone to draft for them like ellison did...and in his last declaration he said he will check-in and just draft whenever.. which i feel is boldly disrespectful here to everyone...i decided to forego skipping him again ( although he had the nerve to get pissed the 1st time i did it like i was in the wrong or something ) and this guy didn't even say thanks for it or apologize for holding the draft up for a 3rd time

 

typical ill-mannered yankee ( i presume he is from the north since he likes chicago-lol)...this guy needs to learn some manners

 

personal arguments are one thing but not drafting in your 12 hour time limit is just plain to rude to everyone else :doublethumbsup:

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Why do you guys get so mad about other peoples opinions? :clap: . Hash it out - you don't have to agree with each other...and move on.

 

I'm still game if everyone else is.

 

:doublethumbsup: WHY WHY WHY??????????

 

Scooter get your arse back here and show us you're really not a quitter. I know that you say you're not, but you if you do quit then you are a quitter. Man up!!

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Everyone just chill.....scooter, you aren't going anywhere. You are all locked into this league and I just swallowed the key. If you want out, you will have to wait until tomorrow..lol

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Guys, may I make a suggestion? Everyone just needs to take a step back. Catch your breathe. I believe that each and everyone of you bring a unique aspect to the league. Keep the different personalities intact, yet, stay together as a league. Valid points have been raised by many. Let it go. Put it behind you and move on. *Afterall, you guys are playing for bragging rights. :mad:

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Scooter, sorry if you take that as insulting or a flame, we've done that dance before, and that post was not, but if you took it as that, whatever. The post was a plea for you to see that your going into another one of your famous flame wars and it just was not necessary. So he asked for a mute button, big deal, no need to jump off the deep end. Take a deep breath and ignore it or be a smart ass back, but the comments you resorted too once again were over the top IMO. All I was doing is pointing that out. Whatever you do makes me no difference, but don't use me as a scape goat, your decision to leave this league has nothing to do with me or my comments, so don't bring me into your decision. If you have a beef with some of the decisions and some of the guys, then do what you think you need to, but go back and read my post, while it may have been slightly harsh, it was childsplay compared to some of the stuff you write. I'm just here for what i thought was a draft to help someone out and drama breaks out.........I'll be gone come Sunday :first:

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Why is this an issue again, exactly??

 

Scooter-

 

You knucklehead....Ive got Marc Bulger as my QB...and ONE friggin' WR! Do you really think Id want to take some QB with one stinkin' WR on my team??? Cmon. I didnt take a QB for him because there were no obvious choices. GP may have wanted to reach all the way down the ladder for the 25th rated guy....who knows?? He's makin' his QB choice on his own. And he's keeping those 2 brilliiant value picks I made for him. You can suggest some silly conspiracy or question the methodology all you want....I am the friggin' Pope as far as you are concerned......I dont lie, cheat or steal. Im taking two WRs with my next two picks........and Eddie Kennison, one of the guys I would have LOVED to picked, is no longer available to me because I felt the right thing to do was give him to a guy who could use him.....Besides, Ive got FOUR RBs myself, and Im a RB purist, so the Perry pick was a biased RB purist move(notice the Indy combo)....Cinci has one of the most prolific offenses in the league.............get out of here.

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Scooter, sorry if you take that as insulting or a flame, we've done that dance before, and that post was not, but if you took it as that, whatever. The post was a plea for you to see that your going into another one of your famous flame wars and it just was not necessary. So he asked for a mute button, big deal, no need to jump off the deep end. Take a deep breath and ignore it or be a smart ass back, but the comments you resorted too once again were over the top IMO. All I was doing is pointing that out. Whatever you do makes me no difference, but don't use me as a scape goat, your decision to leave this league has nothing to do with me or my comments, so don't bring me into your decision. If you have a beef with some of the decisions and some of the guys, then do what you think you need to, but go back and read my post, while it may have been slightly harsh, it was childsplay compared to some of the stuff you write. I'm just here for what i thought was a draft to help someone out and drama breaks out.........I'll be gone come Sunday :(

 

whatever you say. It's not that you flamed me per say, it's that you immediately jumped in againt me for saying 1 thing, which in fact was me being deliberately ironic. Your haste to pile on against me was only too obvious. My posts prior to that were 100% civil, and each was met with insult as documeted above. Yet did you say anything to Ace? No.

 

My "over the top" response was anything but. I just asked if his mom had any kids that lived - meaning him. It's not over the top and it's not something I made up - and it was said only to prove the point that 2 can play that stupid insult game.

 

Yet you ignore all that to jump to his aid and pile on. So whatever you claim, your intent is obvious in your post. You aren't my scapegoat, nor are you my reason for considering opting out of this league. I never blamed you once and you cannot quote me doing so, so save your dramatics.

 

My position here is, was and remains clear: I disagreed with the pick because it was contrary to the stated methodology. As stated repeatedly, my argument begins and ends there. In response, I was insulted ("tool" "crybaby") and antagonized, and yet somehow you didn't leap to my defense as you did with the true antagonist Ace when that happened so why would you jump on me for saying something to prove a point?

 

good try, but you can kindly butt out MT - you're out of line.

 

Why is this an issue again, exactly??

 

Scooter-

 

You knucklehead....Ive got Marc Bulger as my QB...and ONE friggin' WR! Do you really think Id want to take some QB with one stinkin' WR on my team??? Cmon. I didnt take a QB for him because there were no obvious choices. GP may have wanted to reach all the way down the ladder for the 25th rated guy....who knows?? He's makin' his QB choice on his own. And he's keeping those 2 brilliiant value picks I made for him. You can suggest some silly conspiracy or question the methodology all you want....I am the friggin' Pope as far as you are concerned......I dont lie, cheat or steal. Im taking two WRs with my next two picks........and Eddie Kennison, one of the guys I would have LOVED to picked, is no longer available to me because I felt the right thing to do was give him to a guy who could use him.....Besides, Ive got FOUR RBs myself, and Im a RB purist, so the Perry pick was a biased RB purist move(notice the Indy combo)....Cinci has one of the most prolific offenses in the league.............get out of here.

 

 

Oh yeah :first: - forgot about mr shoulder injury. That is truly my bad. But it doesn't change the fact that a RB4 handcuff is not "best available at a need position" - that was inconsistent.

 

And solo, I said several times that I didn't think there was poor motivation involved. I simply said it could appear so because you pick after him. That you have a QB already does take some of the edge off, but the point remains that to avoid the appearance of impropriety, you probably should have had a neutral party make the pick rather than a league member, including yourself. As for obvious choices, there's one guy left projected in the top 10 by most magazines and sites - I won't mention names, but one could reasonably argue that with a QB who's been hurt 3 straight seasons, you might want to grab a backup in the next round or two. Not saying that you DID make that pick for this reason, but you could have and that, to me, is enough reason for you personally to not make a pick for him.

 

Please note that I stayed entirely out of the previous argument you were heavily involved in - I thought you handled it well. And I also supported the Kennison pick, but expressed that I didn't think it was right to go picking for people.

 

And for Parrot in particular, you didn't use the stated methodology - that is the issue I have with it. Maybe it was a "RB purist move" - but that's NOT what you said you'd use if someone missed his pick. It's a fact. Regardless if you thought it was a good pick or not, it was not his biggest need. He even said it's not who he'd have picked. Can you at least admit that you may have made an error there? I mean, didn't you state that it would be "highest rated for biggest roster need?" I can go quote it if necessary. I don't recall seeing you say a pick would be made "according to RB purist theory". Maybe I missed it?

 

 

Since at the time, only 4 or 5 picks had been made since, it seemed reasonable to suggest what I suggested - I expected respectful discussion on it, and it was met with antagonism. And in the face of that antagonism, I remained civil until I was pushed one time too many. And even then my response was to point out how dumb it was to play the insult game. Whatever - I tried to help and Ace took it upon himself to create this mess. Now I have little interest in continuing as a direct result of that coupled with the two flakes (sweetness and parrot) who's flaking out has caused us all annoyance throughout. I don't see how a league that's +/- 7 picks in over 2 weeks could possibly be done with 20 rounds by the time the season starts, especially with Sweetness' last post.

 

Jesus - the fact that we even have to argue about people picking for other people is ridiculous in a league of "geeks" who are doing this for bragging rights. So what - you win and get all excited because the team you drafted for Parrot and Sweetness lost to you? Big whoop. I can't believe what a gutless move that is to leave for days and not leave anyone a list. I did an 18 round early bird draft online in slow format in February and we were done inside 2 weeks. This is just lame, and that frustration probably weighs more heavily than it should here.

 

As mentioned - I'll consider this more before opting out, but I am starting to think Clash was right - those who were so enthusiastic at the beginning seem to have lost interest. It's a shame because of the impact it has on the other 9 guys in the league, who have been great.

 

As for my own dramatics here, I can only say that I had no intentions of any of this - I spent damn near 2 hours last night getting the picks topic up to current and adding the "picks by team" section to show specifically that my interest had not waned. And you have no idea how pissed off I was that the board ate everything after round 3 upon editing it. :banana: So obviously, I cared about this league.

 

But if this is the sort of bullsh!t I need to engage in any time I make a point or suggest a way to handle an issue, then like I said - it's not worth the headache. And that there are issues like this to handle in the 1st place is at the crux.

 

Solo should not have been forced into the position of having to pick players for people, because people should be sending lists, as has been discussed time and time again. So for that, I apologize to you solo for any perceived ill will - I assure you there is none whatsoever - I think you were put into a crappy position by flakey people who damn well know better. And my disagreeing with your decision doesn't mean I have any less respect for you as a person for it - I can segregate the two. I think you're a good guy who was dealt a crappy hand and played it as you saw fit. Whether I think you should have been more consistent or not is just one man's opinion.

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oh that's right, I fogot, Scooter knows all, and knows my very intentions on everything I post.....man, how can I forget that......what a tool, why do you guys get into leagues with him in the first place????

 

For wanting to be done with this scooter, your sure spending a lot of time ....."leaving."

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oh that's right, I fogot, Scooter knows all, and knows my very intentions on everything I post.....man, how can I forget that......

Actually, no - but I was fortunate enough to have been born with eyes, so I can point out what you actually did: which is to ignore Ace insulting me 4 straight posts, then to immediately rip me to shreds for my 1 response, said entirely to prove a point. Good try, captain obvious.

:ninja:

 

For wanting to be done with this scooter, your sure spending a lot of time ....."leaving."

I was asked by a couple of members to reconsider.

 

Not that any of this is any of your business, so once again, but out - you're out of line.

 

 

what a tool, why do you guys get into leagues with him in the first place????

 

Wow - such hostility - same old miller_time...sound familiar? :huh:

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Are the crying games over boys :banana: . Okay - - good, lets get back to picking. Who's pick is it anyway. It's the weekend and I'm ready to crank out some rounds so I can win the :P .

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Are the crying games over boys :D . Okay - - good, lets get back to picking. Who's pick is it anyway. It's the weekend and I'm ready to crank out some rounds so I can win the :P .

 

lol

 

joc, I swear if it wasn't for your enduring sense of humor I'd not even have a decision to make.

 

ok, faq it. My momma didn't raise no quitter. Because Joc cracked me up with this post, and because it will irritate Ace and Miller alike, I've decided to stay to win my :banana:

 

BUT

 

This sh!t needs to stop.

 

1. people not in this draft who are posting on this topic to antagonize need to STFU and go away.

2. people in this draft need to show some respect - that means engaging in civil debate and not resorting to name calling childish crap because you disagree. It also means sending in your friggin picks if you know you'll be out beyond your 12 hour limit

3. Most importantly, we need to collectively agree on what to do if someone is not here for their pick. Picking for them sucks, IMO, becuase they aren't penalized for inconveniencing the rest of the league. Kennison is a good example - he's a WR who fell farther than he should have, but landed on Ungrateful Parrot's roster. Now Parrot focked us all over by making us wait all that time and he's rewarded with a good player for it. I call BS. Here's a suggestion: If you aren't here to pick I say you get skipped like in the real NFL. You then get an hour. Not here for that? Skipped again. And so on. Miss your pick 3 times and we replace you with someone who will commit to this league. Just tossing it out there and I'm totally open to suggestions.

 

Jesus. what a league. You people are all insane. I hope you know that. :banana:

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Jesus. what a league. You people are all insane. I hope you know that. :banana:

 

Misery loves company baby!! Don't try to escape the asylum again.

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Okay - good - Scooters back

Miller Time and OldGuru - thank you guys for stepping in

 

Reasons for this league:

 

1st of all I was invited and thank you

2nd of all - - so I can play in a league with all fftodayer's that are active with knowledge

3rd of all - - so I can say I have won a league against guru's b/c you see my sig!

4th of all - - because I love love drafting and football Sundays

 

:D

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Jesus. what a league. You people are all insane. I hope you know that. :wacko:

 

I do realize this fact. What messes me up is deciding whether or not realizing I'm insane makes me normal. :wacko:

 

 

 

Siniore Dissaray, :D

 

You utilized sound judgement in making those picks for GP and I don't question your reasoning. If the clock expires again...

 

1. Are we jumping like Clash was ready to do?

2. Is someone selecting a player on that team's behalf?

You can't have it both ways. Why not let Yippie get a leg up when two people bypassed Sweetness earlier?

 

If option 2, you should really get someone that is NOT in the league to make the picks.

 

Personally, I agree with Clash which is why I lean towards option 1. If you are going to be so inconsiderate to the rest of us, then they deserve to lose value. To avoid that, accomodations must be made to lean on the likes of Guru and Miller who have graciously offered their unbiased services.

 

not b!tching. i want to know if the draft is halting till you or a third party makes a pick from now on.

 

Okay - good - Scooters back

Miller Time and OldGuru - thank you guys for stepping in

 

Reasons for this league:

 

1st of all I was invited and thank you

2nd of all - - so I can play in a league with all fftodayer's that are active with knowledge

3rd of all - - so I can say I have won a league against guru's b/c you see my sig!

4th of all - - because I love love drafting and football Sundays

 

:P

 

You are my hero. Great post. :D

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If the clock expires again...

 

1. Are we jumping like Clash was ready to do?

2. Is someone selecting a player on that team's behalf?

You can't have it both ways. Why not let Yippie get a leg up when two people bypassed Sweetness earlier?

 

If option 2, you should really get someone that is NOT in the league to make the picks.

 

Personally, I agree with Clash which is why I lean towards option 1. If you are going to be so inconsiderate to the rest of us, then they deserve to lose value. To avoid that, accomodations must be made to lean on the likes of Guru and Miller who have graciously offered their unbiased services.

 

This is pretty much my only problem all along too - inconsistency. Skip one guy, pick best available need for the next, then change that to "stud RB thery" for 2nd guy on the very next pick.

 

Pick a way to do it and go with it. Then no one can take issue with the method. :D

 

between that and the two flakey jakes, this things got my tension up too, I'll admit. :P

 

I'm not sure but I think my last pick was Saturday.

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