football_scooter 0 Posted July 13, 2006 the skinnies' defense was picked a while back by " my dixie weekend " oops...not sure how I missed that. my bad. I'll change now. I have to say that it's pretty lame for solo to take a D/ST right after I missed on one that was taken already - the post was up by Clash stating he had the one I picked and I was still WELL within my 12 hours. Seeing as the Seachickens were next on my list, I give solo a big for that cheap move. how about the Donkeys? Anyone got them? Oh, and the reason my page by page search didn't produce a result on the Redskins D/ST is because they were listed as the "Deadskins" when picked, which foiled my search. Because it wasn't my fault I should be awarded the Seahawks since solo picked out of turn knowing I had to re-pick. But it's a D and I don't care, so whatever. It's still a cheap move. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SoloMatisse 0 Posted July 13, 2006 what happened........what'd I miss??................... Ace, youve been laying low there my friend. Ive tried emailing you a couple of times, and it keeps coming back. whats the deal? but anyway, your team is looking rock solid.....excellent drafting.....SO FAR.......theyre's still a long way to go. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
football_scooter 0 Posted July 13, 2006 what happened........what'd I miss??................... lol nothing. just venting. I'm over it. Denver should be a decent D/ST2...you know, in case the Bucs D gets hurt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SoloMatisse 0 Posted July 13, 2006 You guys and your multiple Ds.......Denver is a rock solid pick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rye & Leaf 0 Posted July 13, 2006 With this being the scoring system for D's, Im not too sure why so many have already gone off the bored: Sack (1) Interception (1) Fumble Recovery (1) Touchdown (6) Safety (2) Kickoff and Punt Return Touchdowns (6) Points Allowed 0 points (6) Points Allowed 1-6 points (0) Points Allowed 7-13 points (0) Points Allowed 14-20 points (0) Points Allowed 21-27 points (0) Points Allowed 28-34 points (0) Points Allowed 35+ points (0) Also, I like the Mercedes Lewis pick.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steel City Blues 0 Posted July 13, 2006 Oh, and the reason my page by page search didn't produce a result on the Redskins D/ST is because they were listed as the "Deadskins" when picked, which foiled my search. Wow! Someone knows the search button isn't just part of the wallpaper background. Whodathunkit? Didn't mean to mess you up Scoot. The D list is pretty short & none are listed on the IR to date. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SoloMatisse 0 Posted July 13, 2006 gotta love those rookie TEs........... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ellisonb11 0 Posted July 14, 2006 gotta love those rookie TEs........... marcedes was my next pick..... the one time sweetness shows up to pick! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SoloMatisse 0 Posted July 14, 2006 marcedes was my next pick..... the one time sweetness shows up to pick! believe me, he did you a favor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ellisonb11 0 Posted July 14, 2006 believe me, he did you a favor. well im a jags fan so it would be fun to watch him play. also, hes just a backup TE... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steel City Blues 0 Posted July 14, 2006 believe me, he did you a favor. Mocking the 223rd pick of our draft? The FF gods smile upon leauges with members who mock at such depth. Personally, I'm going to draft players that shouldn't be drafted with my next two picks. Not that I haven't already stooped that low. Madness...madness...method...madness...madness.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SoloMatisse 0 Posted July 14, 2006 Here's my point to mocking a rookie TE with a 19th or 20th round pick when there are no clear needs on a team........draft a RB already. Take a flier on ANY RB. A starter may get hurt between now and the start of the season, and it may be that 19th round flier that pans out. Im not mentioning names here, so I wont violate the creed, but why not? So, a rookie TE in the 19th round instead of a potential starting RB? Im not being very seriously critical.....just making a basic point. Fact is, rookie TEs simply dont do squat.....except on Superbowl Champion teams with QBs who go 14-0 their rookie seasons.............. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ellisonb11 0 Posted July 14, 2006 Here's my point to mocking a rookie TE with a 19th or 20th round pick when there are no clear needs on a team........draft a RB already. Take a flier on ANY RB. A starter may get hurt between now and the start of the season, and it may be that 19th round flier that pans out. Im not mentioning names here, so I wont violate the creed, but why not? So, a rookie TE in the 19th round instead of a potential starting RB? Im not being very seriously critical.....just making a basic point. Fact is, rookie TEs simply dont do squat.....except on Superbowl Champion teams with QBs who go 14-0 their rookie seasons.............. he took a flier on a TE in the late rounds, so what! he happens to be on a team that has said that they will use him immediately in the offense. he could turn out to be a solid TE, or turn out to be a bust, who cares its the 19th round. and the same thing could happen with a RB, either way it works. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SoloMatisse 0 Posted July 14, 2006 he took a flier on a TE in the late rounds, so what! he happens to be on a team that has said that they will use him immediately in the offense. he could turn out to be a solid TE, or turn out to be a bust, who cares its the 19th round. and the same thing could happen with a RB, either way it works. did you NOT read what I wrote? dig up some #s on rookie TEs that produce.....then we'll talk. And Ill dig up some #s on FWP from last year.............talk to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ellisonb11 0 Posted July 14, 2006 did you NOT read what I wrote? dig up some #s on rookie TEs that produce.....then we'll talk. And Ill dig up some #s on FWP from last year.............talk to me. the guy wanted a backup TE to increase depth, FWPs will happen from time to time. i applaud anybody who picks the sleeper RB if anyone does it this year. its the 19th, so screw history, u never know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steel City Blues 0 Posted July 14, 2006 did you NOT read what I wrote? dig up some #s on rookie TEs that produce.....then we'll talk. And Ill dig up some #s on FWP from last year.............talk to me. Kellen Winslow JR 5 receptions for 50 yards Project his stats from his first game over a season & he would have had 624 yards as a rookie TE. You could argue his numbers should get better after his 1st game. Cmon, a guy doesn't peak on his first try. Let's say he improved a marginal 33% plus catch a TD here & there. That's 64 receptions for 830 yards and 8 TDs in his rookie year!!! That's an average of 12+ ppg. Compare him to FWP as a rookie? OK. FWP had 186 yards rushing & 16 yards receiving NO TDs over 8 games. 2.5 ppg average. Next! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
football_scooter 0 Posted July 14, 2006 With this being the scoring system for D's, Im not too sure why so many have already gone off the bored: Sack (1) Interception (1) Fumble Recovery (1) Touchdown (6) Safety (2) Kickoff and Punt Return Touchdowns (6) Points Allowed 0 points (6) Points Allowed 1-6 points (0) Points Allowed 7-13 points (0) Points Allowed 14-20 points (0) Points Allowed 21-27 points (0) Points Allowed 28-34 points (0) Points Allowed 35+ points (0) It's all relative. We're in the 18th round..kickers are even more worthless, so I figured I'd grab a BYE week D...and they're so hit & miss anyway that either could be my starting defense...who knows. But D's still do score points, and since they're all scored the same, might as well hve two decent ones. Even with low scoring, D's will still put up points, and better D's will put up more points than bad D's. The difference between the #1 fantasy kicker and the #20 fantasy kicker from 2002-2005 was about 20 points, or 1.x points per game. Good defenses gets sacks, force turnovers, score TDs. While I still let them slide for 16-18 rounds, it's worth it to grab a good one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SoloMatisse 0 Posted July 14, 2006 Scooter, where are you coming up with the K data? Feely or Rackers, take your pick depending on the scoring system, were #1 in most leagues at around 160-165pts. Todd Peterson or Kris Brown, again scoring system considered, were #20 at about 110. Thats a full 50pt differential, and granted just one year, but one year is all I care to study on K data. Im just not following the math......not that its very relevant at all because obviously not many people are drafting #2 kickers........ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sweetness_34 0 Posted July 14, 2006 So I picked Bennett right before hold-my-joc and now I got Marcedes before ellison SWEET Just made my weekend better Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jocstrap 8 Posted July 14, 2006 So I picked Bennett right before hold-my-joc and now I got Marcedes before ellison SWEET Just made my weekend better Yes Yes - I had bennett circled and was ready to scoop him up . How about a trade Deshaun for Bennett . Maybe a two man swap so I could possibly upgrade my receiver corps! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rye & Leaf 0 Posted July 14, 2006 The posts today are filled with tension. This should be a great league! Joc, stop looking for receivers, maybe I could help you out a few games into the season. I fully expect somebody to be punched in the face (in front of the wife and kids) because of a league dispute this season! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SoloMatisse 0 Posted July 14, 2006 Just so we all understand our D/ST and Kicker scoring systems, let me illustrate....... the #1 D/ST this year will put up #s along these lines......... 50sacks = 50pts 20INTS = 20 pts 20 DFR = 20pts 2 Safeties = 4pts 5 DTDs = 30pts.....which Totals about 124pts. This is the #1 D/ST forecast in this system and its forecast 22pts HIGHER than what the #1 D/ST did in this system last season. By comparison, the #1 Kicker this year will score along these lines......... 18FGs < 40yds = 54pts 8FGs 40-49yds = 32pts 4FGs > 50yds = 20pts 40XPs = 40pts....................which Totals about 146 pts. This is the #1 Kicker forecast, and its exactly 19pts BELOW what the #1 Kicker did in this system last season. You can all do the math. I wouldnt recommend drafting 2 of either right now......thats what the waiver wire is for.... but those are personal choices, so to each his own. But I wanted to lay out what the scoring totals of these top position players can expect to look like at the end of the year. Great draft thus far, fellas. Im lovin' the late round picks. Good luck to everyone finishing up and beyond. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
football_scooter 0 Posted July 14, 2006 Scooter, where are you coming up with the K data? Feely or Rackers, take your pick depending on the scoring system, were #1 in most leagues at around 160-165pts. Todd Peterson or Kris Brown, again scoring system considered, were #20 at about 110. Thats a full 50pt differential, and granted just one year, but one year is all I care to study on K data. Im just not following the math......not that its very relevant at all because obviously not many people are drafting #2 kickers........ Tht's why I looked at the 3 year average when I crunched those numbers. And if you look at those 3 years, another interesting thing pops out...the top 10 each year has 80% turnover. So good luck picking that magic kicker. Better grab 3 or 4 of 'em to make sure. lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yippie Skippy 0 Posted July 14, 2006 "My Dixie Dingo stole My Reggie Wayne two picks before me" you are up, Ace has exceeded his 12 hours. This draft will be OVER in less than 24 hours for me which makes me feel a little like this: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
football_scooter 0 Posted July 14, 2006 This draft will be OVER in less than 24 hours for me which makes me feel a little like this: I-I'm gonna miss you guys. Seriously though - I'm really grateful that sweetness34 drafted so incompetently in that other league...it really brought this thing together. This is rapidly becomming one of my favorite leagues, and I'm really going to enjoy competing against you guys this year. Great league. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jocstrap 8 Posted July 14, 2006 I-I'm gonna miss you guys. Seriously though - I'm really grateful that sweetness34 drafted so incompetently in that other league...it really brought this thing together. This is rapidly becomming one of my favorite leagues, and I'm really going to enjoy competing against you guys this year. Great league. No doubt I have spent more time on this board than the main fftoday board. Probably get better info here also. This slow draft has been a blast, making the summer a little less painful. OH YEA - DID I CATCH A QUENTIN GRIFFIN PICK IN THERE ALSO? NOW WE ARE GETTING DEEP. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sweetness_34 0 Posted July 14, 2006 I-I'm gonna miss you guys. Seriously though - I'm really grateful that sweetness34 drafted so incompetently in that other league...it really brought this thing together. This is rapidly becomming one of my favorite leagues, and I'm really going to enjoy competing against you guys this year. Great league. Focking bastage.....at least wait and see how that draft of mine pans out before labelling it incompetent Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
football_scooter 0 Posted July 14, 2006 Focking bastage.....at least wait and see how that draft of mine pans out before labelling it incompetent I you guys. Yes, even you Ace. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sweetness_34 0 Posted July 14, 2006 Scooter - regarding the WCOFF.....so the entry fee is 100 bucks right? And does anyone who wants to play get in? I know it is late for this year but I am thinking for next year.....also, you have to fly to Vegas or ATLC on your own dime right for the draft??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
football_scooter 0 Posted July 14, 2006 Scooter - regarding the WCOFF.....so the entry fee is 100 bucks right? And does anyone who wants to play get in? I know it is late for this year but I am thinking for next year.....also, you have to fly to Vegas or ATLC on your own dime right for the draft??? Uhm no - it's $1600.00 $100...lmao - I wish. My two local leagues are $100...why would I fly to Vegas to draft a $100 team? And yes - airfare is not included. Room+airfare+entry totalled $2k all told. Win your 12 man team in 13 weeks (playoffs/championship weeks 12-13) and you win$6K Advance to the finals round (all 70 league winners, and 35 league runners up with the most points) and you have a shot at $200,000 for 1st, $45,000 for 2nd, then cash prizes down to 15th or so. http://www.wcoff.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jocstrap 8 Posted July 15, 2006 I have never done a real draft this early, but I am real excited about how it played out. I think this should benefit everyone here for their big money leagues. Like scooter said earlier, I am really enjoying this league and I hope you guys continue to give the effort and feedback during the regular season. PS - I just hope I don't get the 1st pick in my big $ draft - I want #2 or #3:))))))) yea right! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ellisonb11 0 Posted July 15, 2006 PS - I just hope I don't get the 1st pick in my big $ draft - I want #2 or #3:))))))) yea right! im sure u will be guaranteed to get chestor taylor and deshaun foster at the 2.11 and 3.01 spot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jocstrap 8 Posted July 15, 2006 im sure u will be guaranteed to get chestor taylor and deshaun foster at the 2.11 and 3.01 spot. Nope - I'll take Kevin Jones and Anquan Boldin! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ellisonb11 0 Posted July 15, 2006 Nope - I'll take Kevin Jones and Anquan Boldin! whoa, we really did have a positive influence on u after this draft. i dont like kevin jones, but hes a solid pick there i guess. and now u admit that u should take boldin! well done joc, im proud. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
football_scooter 0 Posted July 15, 2006 im sure u will be guaranteed to get chestor taylor and deshaun foster at the 2.11 and 3.01 spot. uh, how's he going to get 2.11 and 3.01? So he picks 2nd overall then gets the 1st pick in the 3rd? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ellisonb11 0 Posted July 15, 2006 uh, how's he going to get 2.11 and 3.01? So he picks 2nd overall then gets the 1st pick in the 3rd? scooter, u know what i meant, it was a slight typo, why do u have to make a big deal out of small things that u know i didnt mean to do. cant u just realize, u wait he must mean 2.12. i mean, u said it urself, do u think i just dont understand that he would have 2.12 and 3.01, or do u think that i believe he will be in an 11 team league? give me a break scooter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rye & Leaf 0 Posted July 15, 2006 uh, how's he going to get 2.11 and 3.01? unpossible.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jocstrap 8 Posted July 15, 2006 whoa, we really did have a positive influence on u after this draft. i dont like kevin jones, but hes a solid pick there i guess. and now u admit that u should take boldin! well done joc, im proud. Ah - you guys still think Boldin is going to out produce Foster in points in our league???? I could have had the 8th best wr or a top 10 rb for my 3rd . I told you before and I'll tell you again, I drew my line at #7 period in the wr category - if Owens, Moss, Fitz, Cj, Holt, Harrison, Smith were still available I was for sure 100% guaranteed taking them - end of discussion. What if boldin was gone? should I have taken Darrell Jackson because he is next in line? That was my battle line and I was sticking with it. In Joc's opinion - (and that's all that I care about) - I BELIEVE (can't guarantee) that Foster will outproduce Boldin! And.....if Boldin does catch 322 balls for 2369 yards and 42 td's - who is going to throw those passes to him? My Qb Ifffff.. Boldin has the worst season of all time because his qb get's injured, well I still have Carr! That's it, no more explaining why I did not choose Boldin. I like the conversation though, and I promise I don't get mad over the discussion. I just realize it takes a few times to get it through to the mentally slow fantasy football players. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
football_scooter 0 Posted July 15, 2006 scooter, u know what i meant, it was a slight typo, why do u have to make a big deal out of small things that u know i didnt mean to do. cant u just realize, u wait he must mean 2.12. i mean, u said it urself, do u think i just dont understand that he would have 2.12 and 3.01, or do u think that i believe he will be in an 11 team league? give me a break scooter. wow - way to take that ball & run with it. lighten up francis. I wasn't the one posting unpossible scenarios. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ellisonb11 0 Posted July 15, 2006 wow - way to take that ball & run with it. lighten up francis. I wasn't the one posting unpossible scenarios. my names not francis! thats it, im gonna pull a scooter and quit the league. im tired of this crap scooter always has to say, sorry guys, u guys shouldnt have any trouble finding a replacement for my team. well yea im just kidding, but i bet some people out there thought i was serious. theres just no point to point out a little typo like an a$$clown. but hey, i bet i scared the bajeezes out of someone. how could i leave my team? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
