Points per reception

[sta 5]

Our league is thinking about going PPR this year what do you guys think are the pros and cons?

 

If it helps we are a 12 team league.

 

Thanks

[swamp dog 0]

last year, i played only in ppr leagues. i love it. it makes a longer list of rbs playable or worth having on your roster (as even a good 3rd-down back that catches has value). i think it provides more wiggle room for those people that like to strategize.

[Manifest Destiny 0]

I am a big fan, as well.

 

One thing that I would suggest, if using a PPR format, is to make the QB TD worth six instead of four. It helps to round out the scoring differences between the skill positions.

[remote controller 143]

I like it, as it gives many players the credit they deserve, in worth to their NFL teams, that they do not receive in our FFdrafts. It brings many more players to the table, as values, that tend to get overlooked. Swamp mentions the Rb angle. I feel it also aids possession Wrs and Te's who simply move the chains.

 

In years past it would have been nice to see a few 75 reception, 2 Td Wr's get their proper drafting position in front of the 10 carry, 8 Td guys like Zack Crockett. (so I exagerrated some)

[Kopy 567]

I am a big fan, as well.

 

One thing that I would suggest, if using a PPR format, is to make the QB TD worth six instead of four. It helps to round out the scoring differences between the skill positions.

 

That's the way we do it. Love it

[devildog 0]

I like a graduated system where tight ends are given more and RBs are given less.

[Shakespeare 0]

That's the way we do it. Love it

 

I'll third this. By giving all players 1pt/reception and bringing QB's up to 6pts/TD, a near perfect balance is created. Good QB's will score high but will be closely followed by RB and WR. I think this relates well to the NFL where having a stud QB is slightly more important than a stud RB and followed by stud WRs.

 

In response to giving TE more points, I don't really like this system. We used to do this in my league. I think there's a problem in giving a position more points just to make it even with other positions. It's like giving kickers 6pts/field goal just so they score as many points as other positions.

[Phurfur 70]

I'll third this. By giving all players 1pt/reception and bringing QB's up to 6pts/TD, a near perfect balance is created. Good QB's will score high but will be closely followed by RB and WR. I think this relates well to the NFL where having a stud QB is slightly more important than a stud RB and followed by stud WRs.

 

In response to giving TE more points, I don't really like this system. We used to do this in my league. I think there's a problem in giving a position more points just to make it even with other positions. It's like giving kickers 6pts/field goal just so they score as many points as other positions.

 

[texasmouth 1]

Pros of PPR:

Tougher drafting, makes it more competitive.

Gives value to more RB.

 

Cons of PPR:

Overvalues the WR position

[FlaHawker 24]

Pros of PPR:

Tougher drafting, makes it more competitive.

Gives value to more RB.

 

Cons of PPR:

Overvalues the WR position

 

 

Texas,

 

Does it really overvalue the WR position? Or does it sort of equalize the RB/WR positions? I would think the latter especially with all the possible RBBC's. I would think that the guys getting the top three (LJ, SA and LT) would have their advanatge neutralized somewhat which would lead to more balance and more competition. I am lobbying for my leauge to adopt the PPR this year but we'll see what happens. if you could, please explain how it overvalues WR's. Thanks!

[texasmouth 1]

Texas,

 

Does it really overvalue the WR position? Or does it sort of equalize the RB/WR positions? I would think the latter especially with all the possible RBBC's. I would think that the guys getting the top three (LJ, SA and LT) would have their advanatge neutralized somewhat which would lead to more balance and more competition. I am lobbying for my leauge to adopt the PPR this year but we'll see what happens. if you could, please explain how it overvalues WR's. Thanks!

I think a good example would be Donald Driver.

 

86 Receptions 1221 Yards and 5 Touchdowns

 

86+122+30= 238 Fantasy points

 

Rudi Johnson

1458 Yards 12 Touchdowns

 

145 + 72= 217 Fantasy points

 

Therefore, Donald Driver scored more points that Rudi Johnson. Rudi Johnson is obviously a first round running back while Donald Driver is likely a 6th round or later pick. Donald Driver ended the season ranked 8th in receiving and Rudi Johnson ended the season ranked 7th in rushing.

 

Would you ever draft Donald Driver in the first round?

[gatorbait7391 0]

stay away.

[ellisonb11 0]

stay away.

 

its probably because you've never tried it before g-bait. its a fun idea that makes things more competitive. time to step out of the play-pen!

[gatorbait7391 0]

its probably because you've never tried it before g-bait. its a fun idea that makes things more competitive. time to step out of the play-pen!

no ones ever put it that way.

[ellisonb11 0]

no ones ever put it that way.

 

well i love it. it makes things tougher in the draft room. u need to start playin with the big boys!

[toofunny 0]

its probably because you've never tried it before g-bait. its a fun idea that makes things more competitive. time to step out of the play-pen!

 

GatorBait was once raped by a alligator hunter, who also played in a PPR FF league. Which explains his hate for PPR, and how he got his name.

[gatorbait7391 0]

well i love it. it makes things tougher in the draft room. u need to start playin with the big boys!

this is your first year doing it so you dont even know if you will like it yet. And ur playing in a free league with PPR........big boys?

[ellisonb11 0]

this is your first year doing it so you dont even know if you will like it yet. And ur playing in a free league with PPR........big boys?

 

listen g-bait, we are pals, but dont shoot out false info like that.

 

By the way, i am a big boy!

[VaTerp 0]

I think a good example would be Donald Driver.

 

86 Receptions 1221 Yards and 5 Touchdowns

 

86+122+30= 238 Fantasy points

 

Rudi Johnson

1458 Yards 12 Touchdowns

 

145 + 72= 217 Fantasy points

 

Therefore, Donald Driver scored more points that Rudi Johnson. Rudi Johnson is obviously a first round running back while Donald Driver is likely a 6th round or later pick. Donald Driver ended the season ranked 8th in receiving and Rudi Johnson ended the season ranked 7th in rushing.

 

Would you ever draft Donald Driver in the first round?

 

Texas, this comparison is not accurate b/c you are failing to add rudi's points for recs and rec yardage. Just adding in Rudi's 23 rec's would give him more points than Driver.

 

And this is considering that Rudi is pulled in most passing situations.

 

I am in total agreement w/ the PPR and 6 pts QB TD rules. Makes FF more balanced, competitive, and fun.

 

Plus, at the end of the day Rb's are still king b/c of basic supply and demand.

[texasmouth 1]

Playing in a free league is weak. If there is no money on the line, the people aren't serious about playing. I played in a free league when I was just learning, back in 1997. Not now, not again. Maybe if you know all the guys in the league and it is for pride and razzing, but that is about it.

[ellisonb11 0]

Texas, this comparison is not accurate b/c you are failing to add rudi's points for recs and rec yardage. Just adding in Rudi's 23 rec's would give him more points than Driver.

 

And this is considering that Rudi is pulled in most passing situations.

 

I am in total agreement w/ the PPR and 6 pts QB TD rules. Makes FF more balanced, competitive, and fun.

 

Plus, at the end of the day Rb's are still king b/c of basic supply and demand.

 

good explanation. u cant just ignore the points RBs get for receiving yards and receptions. thats why westbrook is so valuable in PPR leagues. he catches so mayn balls out of the backfield.

[texasmouth 1]

Texas, this comparison is not accurate b/c you are failing to add rudi's points for recs and rec yardage. Just adding in Rudi's 23 rec's would give him more points than Driver.

 

And this is considering that Rudi is pulled in most passing situations.

 

I am in total agreement w/ the PPR and 6 pts QB TD rules. Makes FF more balanced, competitive, and fun.

 

Plus, at the end of the day Rb's are still king b/c of basic supply and demand.

Right, but it is still extremely close, far more close than it should be considering draft value.

[gatorbait7391 0]

Playing in a free league is weak. If there is no money on the line, the people aren't serious about playing. I played in a free league when I was just learning, back in 1997. Not now, not again. Maybe if you know all the guys in the league and it is for pride and razzing, but that is about it.

[texasmouth 1]

good explanation. u cant just ignore the points RBs get for receiving yards and receptions. thats why westbrook is so valuable in PPR leagues. he catches so mayn balls out of the backfield.

This is very true. I wasn't ignoring the value of a pass catching back, but the point is that a guy who gets 85 receptions in a season still gets drafted 4-5 round and scores close to the same amount of points as a first round RB.

[FlaHawker 24]

This is very true. I wasn't ignoring the value of a pass catching back, but the point is that a guy who gets 85 receptions in a season still gets drafted 4-5 round and scores close to the same amount of points as a first round RB.

 

 

I guess then it comes down to supply/demand. There are not enough quality RB's; therefore, a ppr league evens the playing field for owners not fortunate enough to grab one of the top 3 (LJ< SA< LT).

[BostonRedSox 0]

Our league is thinking about going PPR this year what do you guys think are the pros and cons?

 

If it helps we are a 12 team league.

 

Thanks

 

 

Make the change. You'll enjoy it.

[gottabesweet84 0]

interesting driver vs rudi fact...

 

I forgot about that...

 

 

We use it and love it.

[Inhiding 0]

For those who have leagues with PPR, do you give 1 point per recption? Do you give PPrushing attempt? or PPcompletion for the Qb's?? Why do a PPR and not a PPRush Attempt? or a PPcompletion?

[Let Da Big Dog Eat 40]

Almost no matter what you do, RB's will always rule in FF just because of the scarcity. WR's are so volitlie I am not sure at all that PPR "evens the playing field." It upgrades the elite like Holt and Harrison who you know will get numbers, but after the first tier it's a whole lot of crapshoot. So, I am not a proponent.

 

We adjust yardage for a TE (we do not require one). WR gets 1/20 and TE 1/10. Not trying to steal the thread here but this has worked well for us and I just think a better way to "level the playing field" is by adjusting yardage thresholds. And, I think that makes people think more.

 

Last, it makes no sense to me that you would give a WR (or anyone else) 1 pt for a 3 yd loss on a WR screen or a catch for 2 yds on a 3rd and 7.

[texasmouth 1]

For those who have leagues with PPR, do you give 1 point per recption? Do you give PPrushing attempt? or PPcompletion for the Qb's?? Why do a PPR and not a PPRush Attempt? or a PPcompletion?

RB get a PPR as well. Giving them a point for a carry would be a bit out of hand. 25 extra points for a RB?

[jstraza 0]

I think a good example would be Donald Driver.

 

86 Receptions 1221 Yards and 5 Touchdowns

 

86+122+30= 238 Fantasy points

 

Rudi Johnson

1458 Yards 12 Touchdowns

 

145 + 72= 217 Fantasy points

 

Therefore, Donald Driver scored more points that Rudi Johnson. Rudi Johnson is obviously a first round running back while Donald Driver is likely a 6th round or later pick. Donald Driver ended the season ranked 8th in receiving and Rudi Johnson ended the season ranked 7th in rushing.

 

Would you ever draft Donald Driver in the first round?

 

 

The league I am in gives half a point per reception for this very reason. A full point seems to make WRs value go up to much. 0.5 pts brings the value up but not to much.

[SpeedMerchant 0]

Big thumbs up.

 

Started a PPR league 3 years ago with some friends that have been doing fantasy football since pen and paper days. They were all real down on it at 1st. Now they all say it's their favorite league.

 

I do a few competitive $ leagues, and the PPR draft day definitely takes the most preparation.

[hipcheck 0]

(like jstraza said)

 

 

 

 

 

1/2 pt./rec.

 

is the way to go!!!! Balances everything out perfectly (+6pt./passingTD)

[Franknbeans 46]

We do 2 pts per reception and we it!

[eo11 0]

Our league is thinking about going PPR this year what do you guys think are the pros and cons?

 

If it helps we are a 12 team league.

 

Thanks

 

 

I play in a league that allows 1 pt per for WRs and 2 pts per for TEs

 

We put it in on a lark 3 years ago for the playoff elimination game and then liked it so much we implemented it to our regular league.

 

We are considering tinkering with the TE amount some, but are dead solid keeping the WRs

 

WRs have improved but still are not usually the high score on any given week.

 

not sure if that helps or not.

[dcOne 2]

Our league is thinking about going PPR this year what do you guys think are the pros and cons?

 

If it helps we are a 12 team league.

 

Thanks

 

 

The cons are, if it is a PPR league, and you don't draft accordingly.

 

 

There are basically no "wrong ways" to have a leagues scoring---but there are wrong ways to draft.

 

 

That's like having a TE mandatory league, not drafting a TE, then saying "that's a dumb league" cause you lost most of your games.

[mozzy84 0]

I like 1/2 point for wide outs and tight ends. A full point across the board ups the wide out values so much it seems like, like 5 catches for 50 yards is the same value as 100 yards rushing by a running back, which it shouldn't be imo. also it seems like alot of running backs will have like 4 catches for like 15 yards alot of times, I hate watching a rb I am playing and they get a dump off pass for negative yardage and its still a point...

[tecklc2112 7]

I play in both types of leagues and I have found that the ppr leagues are much more fun and competitive while the non-ppr leagues almost seem boring and easy in comparison. And like others have said, it adds so much more strategy to drafting.

[Electric Mayhem 35]

Our league runs with a VERY high scoring format:

 

All QB TD:6, +3 over 60 yds

2 PPR

1 point every 5 rushing attempt

1 point every 5 completions (QB)

 

etc etc

 

Bottom line is (as mentioned above) no scoring format is good or bad as long as everyone knows what it is before the draft and adjusts their draft ranking according to the scoring format. End of story.

 

Personally I like the high scoring format we use, others are averse to it. Not surprisingly, those in my league against the format have consistently crappy teams and don't draft well.

[VaTerp 0]

Our league runs with a VERY high scoring format:

 

All QB TD:6, +3 over 60 yds

2 PPR

1 point every 5 rushing attempt

1 point every 5 completions (QB)

 

etc etc

 

Bottom line is (as mentioned above) no scoring format is good or bad as long as everyone knows what it is before the draft and adjusts their draft ranking according to the scoring format. End of story.

 

Personally I like the high scoring format we use, others are averse to it. Not surprisingly, those in my league against the format have consistently crappy teams and don't draft well.

 

My biggest $$ league also uses a very high scoring format.

 

All TD's 6 pts

1 PPR

.5 points per rush att.

.25 per completion and -.25 for inc.

 

We added the .5 per rush attempt b/c some people complained when we changed from 3 WR starting positions to 2 RB, 2 WR, and a flex. Personally, I'd like to see .25 per rush att. but that will be up for a vote this season.

 

This league is by far my favorite of all the ones that I am in. The high scoring format creates more opportunity for points and places an even greater emphasis on drafting and selecting your starting lineup every week.

 

After playing in this league for 3 years, my other leagues have become relatively boring. Its not for everybody but I love it.

 

Basically, I agree w/ electric here. It really doesnt matter what your league rules are b/c all players will be affected the same. As an owner its your responsibility to adjust your draft prep according to the rules your league uses.