Why is Ronnie Brown's ADP higher than Caddy's?

[famousb 11]

ok, admittedly, i am not high on taking either of these guys in the first for various reasons that i have stated before. But in a non-PPR league Caddy is #11 on my RB list, with RB following shortly there after.

But when looking at their ADPs RB is clearly ahead of Caddy right now - 1.09 v 1.11, which is quite amazing to me, but what really shocks me is that RB's high and low pick are 1.04 and 2.01 while Caddy's are 1.08 and 2.07 right now.

 

I guess it just shocks me that with RB not yet displaying a full season worth of playing that he has yet to drop past 2.01 in any draft, and has been as high as 1.04 while Caddy - who carried the load in TB last year by himself - is at best a 1.08 pick and has fallen as far as 2.07.

 

Do that many people really rank RB ahead of Caddy even with the questions still out there about him being able to carry the load for an entire NFL season. Last season he only had 207 carries, and to move up into the top5 RBs he'd basically have to add a whopping 70% to that number. At least Caddy was almost at the 300 mark last season which demonstrates a good level of durability even though he missed 2 games...

 

Why is RB that much of a favorite over Caddy? And i'm not looking for the "because RW isn't there" answer - i'm not just going to believe you combine their two stat lines last year to project for RB this year...

[remote controller 143]

Like me they are probably intrigued with his rare combination of size and speed. He had minimal wear, while he got a chance to get his feet wet, and the fact that Gruden would really rather throw the ball in, all weigh in. You have a very valid question. This will be the year that truly settles it.

[Mack 1 6]

I'd take Brown all day before Caddy. The reasons have nothing to do with whether or not Brown's a superior RB; I simply feel the situation in Miami is better suited for success from a RB. The Dolphins have a superior QB (injury notwithstanding), top receiving threats at TE and WR to keep defenses honest, plus Brown doesn't have anyone possibly vulturing potential TDs like Caddy has in Alstott and Pittman.

 

I'm fortunate to have the #3 pick, so I don't have to deal with that decision, but if I had, say, the #5 - #7 pick, I'd go with Brown.

[remote controller 143]

I'd take Brown all day before Caddy. The reasons have nothing to do with whether or not Brown's a superior RB; I simply feel the situation in Miami is better suited for success from a RB. The Dolphins have a superior QB (injury notwithstanding), top receiving threats at TE and WR to keep defenses honest, plus Brown doesn't have anyone possibly vulturing potential TDs like Caddy has in Alstott and Pittman.

 

I'm fortunate to have the #3 pick, so I don't have to deal with that decision, but if I had, say, the #5 - #7 pick, I'd go with Brown.

I agree with this assessment.

[famousb 11]

I'd take Brown all day before Caddy. The reasons have nothing to do with whether or not Brown's a superior RB; I simply feel the situation in Miami is better suited for success from a RB. The Dolphins have a superior QB (injury notwithstanding), top receiving threats at TE and WR to keep defenses honest, plus Brown doesn't have anyone possibly vulturing potential TDs like Caddy has in Alstott and Pittman.

 

I'm fortunate to have the #3 pick, so I don't have to deal with that decision, but if I had, say, the #5 - #7 pick, I'd go with Brown.

 

If i was going to take Caddy, I wouldn't worry about Alstott much more than I would worry about Sammy Morris starting a FB now for MIA if i had RB. Alstott is getting older, and plays less, and will probably be splitting alot of time w/ JSowell. But w/ Morris being a converted RB, I could see him being used to make alot of the gl/sy carries to spell RB just as much as i could see Alstott stealing carries.

Basically, I don't really see much (if any) difference in the rest of the backfields of the two teams...

MIA - RBrown w/ SMorris/FBeasley at FB and TMinor as #2 RB.

TB - Caddy w/ MAlstott/JSowell at FB and MPittman as #2 RB.

 

MIA definitely has an edge in the QB situation w/ a proven vet in CPep, but Simms is improving and should be a good QB for TB this year.

 

But i definitely can't agree that CChambers & MBooker w/ McMichaels at TE are any better than MClayton, JGalloway, and Alex Smith. I'd probably actually rather have the later stretching the field w/ their speed...

[jgcrawfish 232]

I'd take Brown all day before Caddy. The reasons have nothing to do with whether or not Brown's a superior RB; I simply feel the situation in Miami is better suited for success from a RB. The Dolphins have a superior QB (injury notwithstanding), top receiving threats at TE and WR to keep defenses honest, plus Brown doesn't have anyone possibly vulturing potential TDs like Caddy has in Alstott and Pittman.

 

I'm fortunate to have the #3 pick, so I don't have to deal with that decision, but if I had, say, the #5 - #7 pick, I'd go with Brown.

 

And I'm gonna have go the opposite way on this. RB does have some upgrades at the skill positions over Caddy, but Caddy has the important part, the better O-line, which should be even better this year. If you're picking at early Rnd2 and both these guys are still there I really feel you can't go wrong w/ either of them, because I think both end up in the top 10 RB category by end of year. However, I think Caddy end up higher in the end. Remember that Caddy got injured and was run really, really hard early last year, otherwise you're talking about a guy who could have bordered on top 10. Caddy is almost as fast, and reportedly has a huge advantage in his vision on the field. And, aside from the injury that limited him, he's proven he can carry the load by himself. But I do have to give RB the edge this year on TD potential. I hate goalline hawks.

 

If i was going to take Caddy, I wouldn't worry about Alstott much more than I would worry about Sammy Morris starting a FB now for MIA if i had RB. Alstott is getting older, and plays less, and will probably be splitting alot of time w/ JSowell. But w/ Morris being a converted RB, I could see him being used to make alot of the gl/sy carries to spell RB just as much as i could see Alstott stealing carries.

Basically, I don't really see much (if any) difference in the rest of the backfields of the two teams...

MIA - RBrown w/ SMorris/FBeasley at FB and TMinor as #2 RB.

TB - Caddy w/ MAlstott/JSowell at FB and MPittman as #2 RB.

 

MIA definitely has an edge in the QB situation w/ a proven vet in CPep, but Simms is improving and should be a good QB for TB this year.

 

But i definitely can't agree that CChambers & MBooker w/ McMichaels at TE are any better than MClayton, JGalloway, and Alex Smith. I'd probably actually rather have the later stretching the field w/ their speed...

 

Good points FamousB, but all things considered, I'd rate Chambers and McMichael much higher than TB #1 WR and TE. But whoever you assign the #2 WR lable to in Tampa blows away Booker. And Pittman backing up Caddy scares me a lot more than anything on the Fin's backup list, that guy can play when he wants to.

[famousb 11]

Good points FamousB, but all things considered, I'd rate Chambers and McMichael much higher than TB #1 WR and TE. But whoever you assign the #2 WR lable to in Tampa blows away Booker. And Pittman backing up Caddy scares me a lot more than anything on the Fin's backup list, that guy can play when he wants to.

from a FF perspective, i would rather have Chambers and McMichael than MClayton and ASmith, but from an NFL perspective when you throw in JGalloway i just see the tables being a little more even as far as the WR position...

 

with Pittman, he doesn't worry me at all considering the highest number of carries he had in any game last year was 15 in wk6, and 13 in wk5 - the two weeks Caddy was injured... The only other time he had over 5 carries was week 2 when he got a whopping 7 carries after Caddy had already put up 24 for 128 and 1td in a 19-3 win over BUF...

Those #s show me that Gruden didn't have a whole lot of love for Pittman last year, and i haven't heard of that changing much this year...

 

i still think they are both have excellent potential, but the only real edge i can see giving to RB right now is catching passes out of the backfield - something that occurred alot more often in the MIA scheme than the TB scheme last season...

[VaTerp 0]

In a PPR league, which many are, its self-explanatory why RB's ADP is higher than Caddy's.

 

In a non-ppr league, I agree that these guys should be pretty even, and you can make a strong case for Caddy being higher.

 

However, a couple of things to consider and reasons why the general consensus has RB having a higher ADP regarless of PPR or not.

 

1. The perception is that RB is more durable. This is probably more perception than reality but RB is def. the bigger and stronger back.

 

2. Potential- Caddy was the unquestioned feature back last season and overall had a very good rookie season. But I think his value this year is slightly suffering, perhaps unfairly, from the fact that he started off SO strong last year then was hampered a bit by injuries and less productivity in the middle of the season.

 

RB, on the other hand, split carries with RW for much of the season, and people are enamored with his potential now that RW is out of the league for a year.

 

3. You cannot discount the Alstott factor. The fact is that Alstott scored 6 TDS in goal to go situations last year. Miami has no other FB or RB with Alstotts track record as a TD vulture. Aging or not, there is no indication that Alstott wont continue to be used in GL situations.

[TimmySmith 2,783]

Without going into great detail, one very important factor is scheduling.

 

Tampa's is like murderers row.

 

Miami's is pretty nice.

 

Huge advantage to Brown here.

[RLLD 4,283]

I drafted SJax and Caddy last year, and both provided great value.

 

What I noticed was that toward the end of the season I found myself sitting Caddy more and more. The workload of being an NFL RB was catching up to him by seasons end. The collection of injuries reduced his value for me a good deal.

 

For me, he is still an excellent pick in the right spot, but I have to wonder if he can handle the punishment of a full NFL schedule.

 

JMHO

[Mack 1 6]

But i definitely can't agree that CChambers & MBooker w/ McMichaels at TE are any better than MClayton, JGalloway, and Alex Smith. I'd probably actually rather have the later stretching the field w/ their speed...

I'm flabbergasted by this assessment.

 

Yeah, all that speed certainly helped Clayton underperform last year, and where was Galloway's speed the last 8 years, during which his highest TD output was 6 in 2002 while in Dallas, and Alex Smith is as green as a blade of grass.

 

So no, the supporting cast surrounding Caddy and Brown isn't even a comparison.

[Belushi 9]

Please note that the abbreviation "RB" on a football forum denots a running back, not Ronnie Brown. In a Ronnie Brown thread, it is acceptable to just call him "Brown".

 

People are just on the big hype machine with Brown this year. He wasn't all that great in college or in his first NFL year, but everyone likes his "potential". Let someone else pay for potential. I know Gruden loves to run, and Caddy has a good supporting cast and proved last year he can succeed in it. I'd give a nod to Caddy over Brown in a non-ppr league.

 

As for schedule, that gets way overblown. The Bengals had one of the toughest schedules going into last year, having to face the Ravens and Pittsburgh D's twice and a bunch of other tough D's. How did Palmer, Chad and Rudi Johnson do?

[famousb 11]

I'm flabbergasted by this assessment.

 

Yeah, all that speed certainly helped Clayton underperform last year, and where was Galloway's speed the last 8 years, during which his highest TD output was 6 in 2002 while in Dallas, and Alex Smith is as green as a blade of grass.

 

So no, the supporting cast surrounding Caddy and Brown isn't even a comparison.

 

oh, i agree Clayton's performance last season was attrocious at best. But i don't think that equates into a lack of talent considering he was playing on a bum knee the entire season - i'm opting to reflect more on the potential he showed his rookie year and leaving last year out. Galloway is unquestionably a great NFL WR, but no he is not always a TD threat (3 years w/ 10+ TDs) - and when i'm evaluating the supporting cast around my RB, i don't need (or necessarily want) a WR who is going to get a ton of TDs, i want one that's going to stretch the field to open up running lanes for my RB and also catch the ball and get it down inside the 20 so my guy can punch it in...

[VaTerp 0]

I forgot to add a fourth factor.

 

I think Rb's schedule is considerably easier than Caddy's this year.

[Mack 1 6]

Galloway is unquestionably a great NFL WR

He's pretty good; not great. He's had a couple "great" seasons, including last year and a few in Seattle, but dude, he's far from being "unquestionably" great.

 

...i don't need (or necessarily want) a WR who is going to get a ton of TDs, i want one that's going to stretch the field to open up running lanes for my RB and also catch the ball and get it down inside the 20 so my guy can punch it in...

Rudi Johnson, meet Chad Johnson

Edge, meet Marvin Harrison

Clinton Portis, meet Santana Moss

Deuce, meet Joe Horn

 

FYI, a productive and explosive WR complements and greatly assists a RB; he doesn't cut into his production.

[remote controller 143]

And I'm gonna have go the opposite way on this. RB does have some upgrades at the skill positions over Caddy, but Caddy has the important part, the better O-line, which should be even better this year. If you're picking at early Rnd2 and both these guys are still there I really feel you can't go wrong w/ either of them, because I think both end up in the top 10 RB category by end of year. However, I think Caddy end up higher in the end. Remember that Caddy got injured and was run really, really hard early last year, otherwise you're talking about a guy who could have bordered on top 10. Caddy is almost as fast, and reportedly has a huge advantage in his vision on the field. And, aside from the injury that limited him, he's proven he can carry the load by himself. But I do have to give RB the edge this year on TD potential. I hate goalline hawks.

Good points FamousB, but all things considered, I'd rate Chambers and McMichael much higher than TB #1 WR and TE. But whoever you assign the #2 WR lable to in Tampa blows away Booker. And Pittman backing up Caddy scares me a lot more than anything on the Fin's backup list, that guy can play when he wants to.

I would much rather have Booker in a role he has proven for years he can handle , then Clayton who failed to handle his role last season. Also Galloway is really no greater deep threat than Chambers anymore. he is still speedy, but that has fallen off some, and he is using his caginous to do more now. Chambers too is a burner, he is taller, he doubles Joey's vertical numbers, and he is much much stronger.

[famousb 11]

He's pretty good; not great. He's had a couple "great" seasons, including last year and a few in Seattle, but dude, he's far from being "unquestionably" great.

Rudi Johnson, meet Chad Johnson

Edge, meet Marvin Harrison

Clinton Portis, meet Santana Moss

Deuce, meet Joe Horn

 

FYI, a productive and explosive WR complements and greatly assists a RB; he doesn't cut into his production.

 

being in the top 50 all-time of both rec's and rec'ing yds puts you more than in the "pretty good" category in my mind....

 

considering Clayton should be the TD rec'ing threat going into the future, i'm not worried about Galloway's potential to score TDs, how many has Booker had over the course of his career?

Are you trying to say that neither Clayton or Galloway have explosive WR potential? And i never said either would cut into Caddy's overall production, but look at Edge in Indy - they threw more balls into the endzone than they ran which hurt Edge's overall #s. I'm saying i don't care if the complimentary WRs put up TDs or not - the TDs they score are only taking away from my RBs opportunities...

 

plus look at LT before Gates was there and before they had a legit passing game - in 2002 they were in the 20s for passing offense (28th for passing TDs), while top10 for rushing (7 for rushing TDs). You need a good passing game to get you to the gl, but you don't need a good one to get your RB in the endzone...

[football_scooter 0]

From what I've seen, Ronnie Brown is typically taken at or around 1.09 and Caddy 1.10 - I believe that's their current ADP right now at Antsports.

 

that whopping 1 spot difference tells me it's something of a toss-up.

[famousb 11]

From what I've seen, Ronnie Brown is typically taken at or around 1.09 and Caddy 1.10 - I believe that's their current ADP right now at Antsports.

 

that whopping 1 spot difference tells me it's something of a toss-up.

 

 

fyi, i'm pulling it up from antsports, with the following options:

12 teamer, flex lineup, TE req., HP scoring, Only Serious Mocks.

 

it's 1.09 RB, 1.11 Caddy - but the high and lows are what really get me i guess...

[remote controller 143]

famousb, I hope you are getting what you want from this thread, as it has been a very good one. if I were you I would stick to my guns, and go with your gut on caddy. As Scooter has mentioned above, "this is a crapshoot at this time". It is kind of like the quandry of the big three Rb's. You just got to make your choice, between a few solid canidates that argueably hold equal values and potentials, and live with it. There can really be no questioning of the different perspectives here, for they are just opinions.

[Polamalu43 0]

I would much rather have Booker in a role he has proven for years he can handle , then Clayton who failed to handle his role last season. Also Galloway is really no greater deep threat than Chambers anymore. he is still speedy, but that has fallen off some, and he is using his caginous to do more now. Chambers too is a burner, he is taller, he doubles Joey's vertical numbers, and he is much much stronger.

 

Not really disagreeing with you. Although, I think discussed on the Dan Patrick show that most DBs think Galloway isn't any slower then he was earlier in his career.

[famousb 11]

famousb, I hope you are getting what you want from this thread, as it has been a very good one. if I were you I would stick to my guns, and go with your gut on caddy. As Scooter has mentioned above, "this is a crapshoot at this time". It is kind of like the quandry of the big three Rb's. You just got to make your choice, between a few solid canidates that argueably hold equal values and potentials, and live with it. There can really be no questioning of the different perspectives here, for they are just opinions.

 

i am definitely getting the insight on people's perspectives on RB that i've been missing... I thank everyone for their opinion as one year's performance is all we have to go on. Although it may not change my opinion on either, i think it is definitely good conversation and probably will make me feel a little better about drafting either if they come my way...

sometimes you just put blinders on about a guy because of a pre-formulated opinion and just need friendly conversation to help change that...

 

right now i think i still have the major factors weighted below:

 

Pass Catching - edge RB

Full year of work - edge Caddy.

Durability - even (only since we don't know how RB will hold up for 300 carries...)

Supporting cast - slight edge to RB due to CPep's experience at the helm.

O-Line - edge to Caddy.

GL Vulturing - i'm still putting this a tie even w/ Alstott only because i haven't seen a whole lot of gl carries from RB yet and think SMorris may take some away.

schedule - definitely RB - especially since TB plays CHI in wk 16...

[listen2me 23 1,972]

i am definitely getting the insight on people's perspectives on RB that i've been missing... I thank everyone for their opinion as one year's performance is all we have to go on. Although it may not change my opinion on either, i think it is definitely good conversation and probably will make me feel a little better about drafting either if they come my way...

sometimes you just put blinders on about a guy because of a pre-formulated opinion and just need friendly conversation to help change that...

 

right now i think i still have the major factors weighted below:

 

Pass Catching - edge RB

Full year of work - edge Caddy.

Durability - even (only since we don't know how RB will hold up for 300 carries...)

Supporting cast - slight edge to RB due to CPep's experience at the helm.

O-Line - edge to Caddy.

GL Vulturing - i'm still putting this a tie even w/ Alstott only because i haven't seen a whole lot of gl carries from RB yet and think SMorris may take some away.

 

there is no doubt that the GL Vulturing would go to R. Brown.....anytime you have Alstott you know he will be in at the goal line most of the time...Morris and Ronnie are about the same size....although I do think Caddy is a great punder and a better short yd back then most give him credit for ...when you have 2 other guys who out weigh him by 20-30 pounds you have to think they will get more touches then a bum like sammy morris who is about Ronnies size.

[famousb 11]

there is no doubt that the GL Vulturing would go to R. Brown.....anytime you have Alstott you know he will be in at the goal line most of the time...Morris and Ronnie are about the same size....although I do think Caddy is a great punder and a better short yd back then most give him credit for ...when you have 2 other guys who out weigh him by 20-30 pounds you have to think they will get more touches then a bum like sammy morris who is about Ronnies size.

 

wasn't Caddy the gl back at Auburn when he and RB were there together? and Caddy is the smaller of the two...

and if you want size, what about Fred Beasley there for MIA at 6-0, 246?

 

these are what are in the "Goal to go" thread for the two:

RB- 12- 34- 3. RW- 9- 13- 2

Caddy- 13- 42- 4. Alstott- 11- 18- 6

 

so Caddy and RB had basically equivalent chances last year, and Caddy actually had more attempts than Alstott. I think you may be able to add a few of RWs attempts to RB, but i don't think you can just lump the two together.

[remote controller 143]

Not really disagreeing with you. Although, I think discussed on the Dan Patrick show that most DBs think Galloway isn't any slower then he was earlier in his career.

Granted, he was, and is still real fast, but when you factor in the fact that Chambers was also a low 4.3 forty man himself, and eclipses him easily in all other measurables, I have to place him heads and shoulders above Galloway, in every aspect of receiving. I have no arguement with your post as it was dead on when it comes to his speed.

[wild_and_crazy_guy 5]

Not sure if this was already mentioned, but Cadillac has a tougher schedule than Ronnie Brown. I would be very happy to draft either of these guys in the late first round, and think they will both have good seasons. But Tampa Bay does have a tougher schedule.

[football_scooter 0]

famousb, I hope you are getting what you want from this thread, as it has been a very good one. if I were you I would stick to my guns, and go with your gut on caddy. As Scooter has mentioned above, "this is a crapshoot at this time". It is kind of like the quandry of the big three Rb's. You just got to make your choice, between a few solid canidates that argueably hold equal values and potentials, and live with it. There can really be no questioning of the different perspectives here, for they are just opinions.

 

agreed - I think the reason RB is a little higher is the injury concern with Caddy.

 

personally I think Williams is a better back in a more run-oriented system. Gruden is a coach who gets a lot out of his feature backs (spoken as a former Charlie Garner owner) and I could see CW having a huge year.

 

I'd go Caddy too.

[t.j 35]

Do that many people really rank RB ahead of Caddy even with the questions still out there about him being able to carry the load for an entire NFL season. Last season he only had 207 carries, and to move up into the top5 RBs he'd basically have to add a whopping 70% to that number. At least Caddy was almost at the 300 mark last season which demonstrates a good level of durability even though he missed 2 games...

 

How can you not question Cadillac's ability to carry the load for the whole NFL season? He missed 2 full games due to injury and did not have a 14-carry game for a 6-week stretch in the middle of the season. 290 carries is not a lot for a feature back.

[rebooters 1]

i think its a combination of a few facts. ronnie had way less wear and pressure on him than did caddy last season. he has more size to him and alot of speed. IMO he just looks like a perfect NFL back. he reminds me of ricky a bit and ricky coulda been a hall of famer. i believe brown will be. im not knocking down caddy but i just think brown is gonna show the world that he is better. also the teams that these backs run for play a part. miami has done some things to make their whole offense better. if defenses try to cheat on the run they will fall hard because culpepper and chambers/mcmichael will hook up alot. im excited about brown. also, miami's SOS and their defense arent bad. should be up on some games and ronnie should get his carries, yards, TDs.

 

ive noticed some people said they would take ronnie at 1.07 or 1.08. isnt that a bit early? where would you take him and where would you take caddy?

 

i think for RB's its:

LJ

SA

LT2

Portis

Tiki

Edge

Ronnie

 

so if you add manning and the #1 reciever to go before ronnie and possibly edge you have:

1.01.LJ

1.02.SA

1.03.LT2

1.04.Portis

1.05.Tiki

1.06.Manning

1.07.Steve smith

1.08.Edge

1.09.Ronnie

 

there are a couple more players that could slide ahead of edge and ronnie, perhaps TO or another back like sjax or jordan.

[Polamalu43 0]

Granted, he was, and is still real fast, but when you factor in the fact that Chambers was also a low 4.3 forty man himself, and eclipses him easily in all other measurables, I have to place him heads and shoulders above Galloway, in every aspect of receiving. I have no arguement with your post as it was dead on when it comes to his speed.

 

I guess I should have added that those DBs still considered him one of the top deep threats in the league, but there should be no arguement that Chambers is and will be the better overall WR this season.

[famousb 11]

I haven't read the whole thread, so forgive me if this has been covered, but...

How can you not question Cadillac's ability to carry the load for the whole NFL season? He missed 2 full games due to injury and did not have a 14-carry game for a 6-week stretch in the middle of the season. 290 carries is not a lot for a feature back.

 

yes, but at least we know what to expect there, RB only had 207 carries, missed 1 game while having that reduced workload, and only went over 20 carries in a game 3 times - 2 of which were when RW was still suspended. That leaves alot of questions in my mind.

 

Caddy missed 2 games after starting the first four games with a total of 99 carries and 447 yds. That's alot of carries for any back. I'll give you the next three games were low carry totals, but you can look at it that 1. he was still nursing an ankle injury, and 2. that at least one of those games was against a very strong CAR defense.

He then finished the end of the season strong, avg. 22+ carries per game over the last 7 games. So even though he did get dinged up after a huge workload to start the beginning of his rookie year, he came back strong after that slow period.

[t.j 35]

He then finished the end of the season strong, avg. 22+ carries per game over the last 7 games. So even though he did get dinged up after a huge workload to start the beginning of his rookie year, he came back strong after that slow period.

 

Of course he had a large workload to end the season. He was coming off 6 weeks of having done jack squat! Whether or not he "finished strong" is highly debatable. His last four games he only had one with 4.0+ yards per carry. Personally, I was never really concerned about the ability of either guy to play a full season, but for those of you types who won't believe it until you see it, I certainly don't think we've seen it with Cadillac yet. Who knows if he would have carried the load or even stayed healthy in December, if he'd been busy in October and November.

[listen2me 23 1,972]

wasn't Caddy the gl back at Auburn when he and RB were there together? and Caddy is the smaller of the two...

and if you want size, what about Fred Beasley there for MIA at 6-0, 246?

 

these are what are in the "Goal to go" thread for the two:

RB- 12- 34- 3. RW- 9- 13- 2

Caddy- 13- 42- 4. Alstott- 11- 18- 6

 

so Caddy and RB had basically equivalent chances last year, and Caddy actually had more attempts than Alstott. I think you may be able to add a few of RWs attempts to RB, but i don't think you can just lump the two together.

 

Ronnie wasn't getting the whole load last year unlike Caddy....Alstott is still there Ricky is not...

 

Beasley doesn't carry the ball anymore in this stage of his career...so I wouldn't worry about him...Yes Caddy was more of a Goal Line Back than Ronnie at Auburn but they arn't on that team anymore or even on the same team...so that really doesn't matter....

 

I just believe like I'm sure everyone else would also agree....that Ronnie has far less in the backfield to compete with (Sammy and Beasley) then Caddy does (Alstott and Pittman)

 

after all that is what Alstott is used for in his whole career ...short yardage...

[Eriadoc 4]

And I'm gonna have go the opposite way on this. RB does have some upgrades at the skill positions over Caddy, but Caddy has the important part, the better O-line, which should be even better this year.

 

I figured this was a good place to post this link ........

 

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O-line turnover puts pressure on coaches

by Len Pasquarelli

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/stor...&id=2505116

 

Criticized by some in the league for the fat contract that he used to pry coveted offensive line coach Hudson Houck away from the San Diego Chargers a year ago, Dolphins coach Nick Saban sat in a golf cart after a recent minicamp practice and, with a full year's perspective on which to rely, concluded that he and the Dolphins' organization got the better end of the deal.

 

"It's the position on your staff where a good, detailed [assistant coach] can make the biggest difference," Saban said. "By definition, any offensive line coach is working with the poorest athletes on your football team. But by creating camaraderie, working on technique, motivating, he can make guys better collectively than they probably are as individuals. That's why the good (offensive line coaches) are at such a premium."

 

Essentially, that summed up the job Houck did in 2005, taking a relatively motley and undistinguished group of blockers and cobbling them into a unit good enough to succeed. That the Dolphins achieved a No. 14 statistical ranking in total offense was, in large part, due to his efforts.

 

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Houck is one of the top two offensive line coaches in the NFL.

[NCNickNasty 0]

you all should fear pittmans's neck and biceps

[famousb 11]

Yes Caddy was more of a Goal Line Back than Ronnie at Auburn but they arn't on that team anymore or even on the same team...so that really doesn't matter....

 

my point there was that even though Caddy was smaller, he was getting the gl carries - it doesn't necessarily have to be a back that weighs 20 lbs more who takes gl carries away. So it's quite possible that a back of equivalent size vultures some gl carries away.

 

i'm not saying that Alstott won't have an impact on Caddy's gl carries at all, but even in his injury-hampered rookie season Caddy still had more attempts than Alstott when it was whatever and goal to go. Plus Caddy had 32 attempts from inside the opponents 20. Alstott had a total of 16 from inside the 20 and only 34 total carries all year. Sammy Morris had 16 carries as the #3 RB on the depth chart, now he's going to be on the field more often as the FB. That concerns me just as much as Alstott's #s.

[The Moz 72]

Caddy last year had 3 good games to start the year -- the first 2 of which were actually averge at best except for 1 big run in both games.

 

He had one great game against Carolina which was impressive but looked quite average against almost everyone elese save Atlanta who was a running back doormat anyway.

 

Ronnie Brown when he was allowed to get in a groove proved to have the makings of a really solid RB and maybe even top 3 in a few years. The guy is big , can fly , and runs with power to break tackles and run strong at the stripe. He is also maybe the Dolphins 3rd grestest reciever which helps also.

 

I just think Ronnie B got a lot larger upside than Caddy

 

JMO

[jgcrawfish 232]

I would much rather have Booker in a role he has proven for years he can handle , then Clayton who failed to handle his role last season. Also Galloway is really no greater deep threat than Chambers anymore. he is still speedy, but that has fallen off some, and he is using his caginous to do more now. Chambers too is a burner, he is taller, he doubles Joey's vertical numbers, and he is much much stronger.

 

You can have Booker, I'll take Clayton. I think he proves last year was an aberration and actually steps up w/ #'s similar to Glenn this year. All things considered, I think I take RB's supporting cast (CPep, Chambers, McMichael and Booker) over Caddy's (Simms, Glenn, Clayton and Smith) at this point until Clayton wipes away last year, Glenn goes another season and AlexSmith (TE) proves himself. I just think Caddy is the better pure RB, while RBrown is the more physically gifted back. Again though, I think you can't go wrong w/ either of them sitting late 1st round early 2nd.

[listen2me 23 1,972]

You can have Booker, I'll take Clayton. I think he proves last year was an aberration and actually steps up w/ #'s similar to Glenn this year. All things considered, I think I take RB's supporting cast (CPep, Chambers, McMichael and Booker) over Caddy's (Simms, Glenn, Clayton and Smith) at this point until Clayton wipes away last year, Glenn goes another season and AlexSmith (TE) proves himself. I just think Caddy is the better pure RB, while RBrown is the more physically gifted back. Again though, I think you can't go wrong w/ either of them sitting late 1st round early 2nd.

 

Glenn?....what you talking about?

[t.j 35]

You can have Booker, I'll take Clayton. I think he proves last year was an aberration and actually steps up w/ #'s similar to Glenn this year. All things considered, I think I take RB's supporting cast (CPep, Chambers, McMichael and Booker) over Caddy's (Simms, Glenn, Clayton and Smith) at this point until Clayton wipes away last year, Glenn goes another season and AlexSmith (TE) proves himself. I just think Caddy is the better pure RB, while RBrown is the more physically gifted back. Again though, I think you can't go wrong w/ either of them sitting late 1st round early 2nd.

Glenn?....what you talking about?

 

I believe he's talking about 62-1136-7

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1254