Mike Williams fined over 400K last season

[swamp dog 0]

lol - this is pure desperation. Ready to throw Mike under the bus and throw the rally machine around the crack addict pencil neck that gets hurt when someone farts in his direction.

 

look: the lion wr corps--however it shakes out--will be just fine this year

 

that's all you need to know. now that you can rest easy on that one, perhaps some obsessing about the bears woeful plight at wr would be in order. camp starts next week.

[Barnaby Wilde 0]

Does anyone know who the #2 will end up being in Detroit? I hope Rogers...

[xenophobe 1]

Does anyone know who the #2 will end up being in Detroit? I hope Rogers...

 

Not Scottie Vines, though I believe he holds that distinction at this point. If Rogers is healthy, I don't see how it wouldn't be him.

[donhaas 19]

but as the lions are reportedly gaga over what charles rogers has been doing this offseason (tom kowalski report 7-20-06) mike may find he's the odd man out unless he really steps it up.

 

that's no spin. just reality.

 

 

Same guys who were reporting that Joey was looking "confident" last year and "ready to break out" ????

 

 

[Let Da Big Dog Eat 42]

Does anyone know who the #2 will end up being in Detroit? I hope Rogers...

 

Right now it's Corey Bradford, Packer and Texan castoff. What's that tell you?

[Freak Jones 0]

lol - this is pure desperation. Ready to throw Mike under the bus and throw the rally machine around the crack addict pencil neck that gets hurt when someone farts in his direction.

Nice! Glad I wasn't drinking orange juice. It would've burned flying out my nose. I think my wife thought I was having a seizure or something. That killed me!

 

The guy was finally healthy last year and then he starts picking up old Koren Robinson traits. As lame as that is, I'll probably have to see how the preseason shakes out and may take one more late chance on C-Rog in my auction on the cheap. The guy is a talented a$$ mofo! Of course with the $.02 head.

[DrJ 0]

Same guys who were reporting that Joey was looking "confident" last year and "ready to break out" ????

 

[swamp dog 0]

 

[LOD01 199]

Right now it's Corey Bradford, Packer and Texan castoff. What's that tell you?

 

 

It tells me they are going to suck becasue Bradford sucks. He is good at 2 things, running fast and dropping passes.

[GhostofMeanMachine99 1]

God, I remember all kinds of Lion fans spouting off that he was gonna be a solid red zone target, that he was gonna get 800-900 yards receiving, blah blah blah.

 

He's one more lackluster season from becoming a segment on a "Where are they Now" on Inside the NFL on HBO.

[Sho Nuff 720]

look: the lion wr corps--however it shakes out--will be just fine this year

 

that's all you need to know. now that you can rest easy on that one, perhaps some obsessing about the bears woeful plight at wr would be in order. camp starts next week.

 

Will be just fine? Ahh...the swamp...because he says it...it must be true.

 

You have one good WR in Williams, a bust so far in Rogers (yippeee they are gaga over him in June and July before pads are on and anyone has taken a hit), and Williams is a disappointment. Oh I forgot...you did sign Corey Bradford.

 

Yet here goes swamp again...time to deflect to the Bears or Packers or whatever team the poster he is currently getting his ass handed to him by is a fan of.

[listen2me 23 1,953]

Will be just fine? Ahh...the swamp...because he says it...it must be true.

 

You have one good WR in Williams, a bust so far in Rogers (yippeee they are gaga over him in June and July before pads are on and anyone has taken a hit), and Williams is a disappointment. Oh I forgot...you did sign Corey Bradford.

 

Yet here goes swamp again...time to deflect to the Bears or Packers or whatever team the poster he is currently getting his ass handed to him by is a fan of.

 

Yea the funny thing is I would take the Packers WRs over The Lions....STILL

 

I think we had this come up last year but with Rogers and Williams yet to prove anything they are just as good as Ferg and Jennings/Gardner...Plus I would Take Driver over ROY any day...

[jeffkomlo 19]

f'ing Lions, could have had :

* Demarcus Ware: In his rookie year in 2005 he finished with 58 total tackles, 14 Tackles for losses, 8 sacks, and 3 forced fumbles. Hes worked hard all 2006 offseason and is in better shape, and is ready

*Derrick Johnson : started every game for the Kansas City Chiefs in 2005 and was selected Chiefs Rookie of the Year.

*Shawne Merriman: recorded 6 sacks in his first 4 starts. In 2005, his rookie season, Merriman was honored by being voted into the Pro Bowl in Hawaii.

Then we wouldn't have had to draft Simms this year

 

Williams was a crap pick, he's getting paid his bonus so he's not playing for free, he will suck, he's got no incentive just a lazy overweight piece of sh*t

[swamp dog 0]

Yea the funny thing is I would take the Packers WRs over The Lions....STILL

 

I think we had this come up last year but with Rogers and Williams yet to prove anything they are just as good as Ferg and Jennings/Gardner...Plus I would Take Driver over ROY any day...

 

of course you would. that's what makes you, you.

 

if you'd take ALL of the packers wrs over even roy williams, you're quite the homer there.

 

Will be just fine? Ahh...the swamp...because he says it...it must be true.

 

You have one good WR in Williams, a bust so far in Rogers (yippeee they are gaga over him in June and July before pads are on and anyone has taken a hit), and Williams is a disappointment. Oh I forgot...you did sign Corey Bradford.

 

Yet here goes swamp again...time to deflect to the Bears or Packers or whatever team the poster he is currently getting his ass handed to him by is a fan of.

 

so the wrs aren't going to be okay...because you say so? yeah, i bet i won't have to look too hard to find you spinning positive about the mess that it is the packers wrs corps. maybe we should believe you?

 

right back at cha

[listen2me 23 1,953]

of course you would. that's what makes you, you.

 

if you'd take ALL of the packers wrs over even roy williams, you're quite the homer there.

 

And what has ROY done really besides prove more than the other 2 that have proved nothing?

 

-he hasn't stayed healthy yet

- hasn't had even 1000 yds yet

 

Driver plays every game basically, makes all the tough catches and is flat out better than ROY at this point, maybe not potential skill wise, but BETTER.

 

keep waiting around swamp while ROY plays another 13 games and finishes with 800 yds and 8 TDs...and think ROY is among the best WRs in the game...

 

I'm pretty sure most people would agree Driver is better than ROY, and just because he is like 7 years younger than DRiver with more potential that means nothing at this point in time...

 

Quit thinking ROY is GOD....he has only proven a little more than Larry and Moe over there...

 

Our 7th rounder is better than your 1st rounder bottom line...

[swamp dog 0]

And what has ROY done really besides prove more than the other 2 that have proved nothing?

 

-he hasn't stayed healthy yet

- hasn't had even 1000 yds yet

 

Driver plays every game basically, makes all the tough catches and is flat out better than ROY at this point, maybe not potential skill wise, but BETTER.

 

keep waiting around swamp while ROY plays another 13 games and finishes with 800 yds and 8 TDs...and think ROY is among the best WRs in the game...

 

I'm pretty sure most people would agree Driver is better than ROY, and just because he is like 7 years younger than DRiver with more potential that means nothing at this point in time...

 

Quit thinking ROY is GOD....he has only proven a little more than Larry and Moe over there...

 

Our 7th rounder is better than your 1st rounder bottom line...

 

guess we'll see!

 

cheers

 

so let me get this straight: this entire thread is going hot and heavy based on information that's a year old?

 

crassic.

 

 

nothing like using 2005 summer data to make 2006 projections and predictions.

[listen2me 23 1,953]

guess we'll see!

 

cheers

 

so let me get this straight: this entire thread is going hot and heavy based on information that's a year old?

 

crassic.

 

 

nothing like using 2005 summer data to make 2006 projections and predictions.

 

Your as predictable as your Lions....

 

I always know what you will say..."we'll see", "You Packers fans are homers", "I love how we use last years stats and information"......

 

this year we will see Driver put up 90/1300/9 while Roy puts up another 50/700/8 while playing 14 games....although "we'll see" it is comming easier and easier to predict..

[swamp dog 0]

Your as predictable as your Lions....

 

I always know what you will say..."we'll see", "You Packers fans are homers", "I love how we use last years stats and information"......

 

this year we will see Driver put up 90/1300/9 while Roy puts up another 50/700/8 while playing 14 games....although "we'll see" it is comming easier and easier to predict..

 

maybe--guess we'll see. so you're predicting roy, in year 3, to play more healthy games, add martz as oc...and actually have less stats than last year

 

driver will no doubt put up pretty good numbers: he's the only decent player on that entire offense.

 

for the record, what are you predicting for the packers this year (now that you know so well what the lions are going to do)?

 

i'm listening.

[Sho Nuff 720]

of course you would. that's what makes you, you.

 

if you'd take ALL of the packers wrs over even roy williams, you're quite the homer there.

so the wrs aren't going to be okay...because you say so? yeah, i bet i won't have to look too hard to find you spinning positive about the mess that it is the packers wrs corps. maybe we should believe you?

 

right back at cha

 

 

At this point with what they have actually done...Driver > Roy. Talent wise and potential...Roy > Driver.

 

Did I say only because I say so? Hmmm...you have talk about Williams and his troubles...Rogers has had his own troubles and his a toke away from being out for a year. Ooooh...Scotty Vines and Corey Bradford though....yipppeeee....youre right...no worries there.

 

But there comes the usual Swamp rhetoric....you cannot defend your team...so try and bring up the team of the poster you are disagreeing with....as I said above. You are too predictable.

 

Mess that is the Packers WRs? I would not call it much of a mess really. They are an average bunch. Driver is as solid as they come...has shown so in his years with Green Bay. Can be an effective #1 with a decent #2 on the other side of the field. I believe Rod Gardner can be that solid posession guy that Ferguson has never developed into. He was very good in Washington...not sure what happened after Carolina traded for him because he saw little to no action for the Panthers.

 

Right back at me? I am not the one making claims in a thread about the problems of one of the Packers WRs that the WRs will just be fine.

 

But keep up the predictable posts...who is next that you need to bring up? Bears/Benson....check. Packers/WRs....check.

[duaneok66 0]

It's amusing that Mike Williams was at the TOP of Kiper's leader board last year on the DAY of the draft . . . the only two tvheads I heard doubting williams were Mayock and Hoge . . . most every one else, including 99 percent of people on these boards, thought he was gold . . .

 

 

revisionist history is pretty funny . . .

[Sho Nuff 720]

It's amusing that Mike Williams was at the TOP of Kiper's leader board last year on the DAY of the draft . . . the only two tvheads I heard doubting williams were Mayock and Hoge . . . most every one else, including 99 percent of people on these boards, thought he was gold . . .

revisionist history is pretty funny . . .

 

Revisionist history?

 

Plenty here thought it was a mistake for Detroit to take him. Plenty questioned taking a guy that high who had taken a year off from football.

 

99% on this boards thinking he was gold...sounds like you are the one talking revisionist history here.

[swamp dog 0]

It's amusing that Mike Williams was at the TOP of Kiper's leader board last year on the DAY of the draft . . . the only two tvheads I heard doubting williams were Mayock and Hoge . . . most every one else, including 99 percent of people on these boards, thought he was gold . . .

revisionist history is pretty funny . . .

 

yep. viking fans were ready to jump off a bridge when the vikings selected tory instead of mike.

[duaneok66 0]

Revisionist history?

 

Plenty here thought it was a mistake for Detroit to take him. Plenty questioned taking a guy that high who had taken a year off from football.

 

99% of people on message boards also thought he was gold...sounds like you are the one talking revisionist history here.

 

 

people said that because they already had receivers, not because of a year off . . .

 

 

 

Revisionist history?

 

Plenty here thought it was a mistake for Detroit to take him. Plenty questioned taking a guy that high who had taken a year off from football.

 

99% on this boards thinking he was gold...sounds like you are the one talking revisionist history here.

 

 

I don't remember anyone saying that Kiper was insane to put him that high, now everyone acts like they knew that he would be a bust all along . . .

[jeffkomlo 19]

look: the lion wr corps--however it shakes out--will be just fine this year

 

HAHAHA that's a good one, keep drinking the Kool Aid and eating that cornbread, this is the Lions we're talking about, the Millen led Lions.

[Sho Nuff 720]

people said that because they already had receivers, not because of a year off . . .

 

actually...both were said...here and in other places...but nice try.

 

 

I don't remember anyone saying that Kiper was insane to put him that high, now everyone acts like they knew that he would be a bust all along . . .

 

I am not sure anyone said just that. But people did question the pick...both for receivers...and were questioning him after being off a year and not having the speed of some of the other WRs in the draft.

 

Nobody is saying for sure we knew he would be a bust....but laughing at the guy...and the Lions for taking a guy they did not really need is most certainly what goes on here....especially if Swamp ends up on the receiving end of it.

 

yep. viking fans were ready to jump off a bridge when the vikings selected tory instead of mike.

 

Some Vikings fans...sure. Everyone else...not so much.

[swamp dog 0]

actually...both were said...here and in other places...but nice try.

I am not sure anyone said just that. But people did question the pick...both for receivers...and were questioning him after being off a year and not having the speed of some of the other WRs in the draft.

 

Nobody is saying for sure we knew he would be a bust....but laughing at the guy...and the Lions for taking a guy they did not really need is most certainly what goes on here....especially if Swamp ends up on the receiving end of it.

Some Vikings fans...sure. Everyone else...not so much.

 

the only criticism was millen taking a wr three years in a row. period. everything else bad being said about mike is hindsight and revisionist history. yes, kiper had him #1 overall on his board. that's reality.

 

 

 

Your as predictable as your Lions....

 

I always know what you will say..."we'll see", "You Packers fans are homers", "I love how we use last years stats and information"......

 

this year we will see Driver put up 90/1300/9 while Roy puts up another 50/700/8 while playing 14 games....although "we'll see" it is comming easier and easier to predict..

 

espn has roy ranked #12 in their preseason ff rankings. that's the first realistic one i've seen. if he stays healthy, that's the low benchmark for him. way too much talent not to.

[Sho Nuff 720]

the only criticism was millen taking a wr three years in a row. period. everything else bad being said about mike is hindsight and revisionist history. yes, kiper had him #1 overall on his board. that's reality.

 

Cough....BS...it was talked about alot about him coming off of not playing. Yes...Kiper did...want to see where people have questioned Kiper's expertise before? Because the guy gest bashed quite a bit.

 

espn has roy ranked #12 in their preseason ff rankings. that's the first realistic one i've seen. if he stays healthy, that's the low benchmark for him. way too much talent not to.

 

While he may have talent...it has not yet amounted to much on the field...and you also need talent to get him the ball...and to protect the guy trying to get him the ball. The Lions have yet to show they really have that yet.

[Duffman 0]

From what i've seen, a lot of guys get the ticket. Did they start charging you on your bill yet, and if so, how much a month.

[swamp dog 0]

Cough....BS...it was talked about alot about him coming off of not playing. Yes...Kiper did...want to see where people have questioned Kiper's expertise before? Because the guy gest bashed quite a bit.

While he may have talent...it has not yet amounted to much on the field...and you also need talent to get him the ball...and to protect the guy trying to get him the ball. The Lions have yet to show they really have that yet.

 

so i assume you're one who drafts ff based strictly on last year's performances? you don't ever project in ff?

 

interesting.

 

and i love how 16 tds in his first two years--again, we're talking wrs, those guys who notoriously take 3 years to do much of anything--amounts to him "not yet amounting to much on the field."

[Sho Nuff 720]

so i assume you're one who drafts ff based strictly on last year's performances? you don't ever project in ff?

 

interesting.

 

You can assume that...but it will not be correct.

 

However, I was discussing this more from an actual football perspective of his "talent" that you are always going gaga over. (all you kept saying last year was about the Lion's "young talent"). Talent is great and all...but it has to amount to something on the field. Robert Ferguson has alot of talent...we know how you feel about him....I think he has the talent...just lacks consistency and cannot stay healthy. He has shown signs...as I said in the past and I expected him to live up to it last year. He failed.

[swamp dog 0]

You can assume that...but it will not be correct.

 

However, I was discussing this more from an actual football perspective of his "talent" that you are always going gaga over. (all you kept saying last year was about the Lion's "young talent"). Talent is great and all...but it has to amount to something on the field. Robert Ferguson has alot of talent...we know how you feel about him....I think he has the talent...just lacks consistency and cannot stay healthy. He has shown signs...as I said in the past and I expected him to live up to it last year. He failed.

 

16 tds. how many did ferguson have in his first two years.

 

unless you're drunk or being sarcastic, this is the last time you should even imply a connection between the dismal failure of ferguson and roy.

[Sho Nuff 720]

and i love how 16 tds in his first two years--again, we're talking wrs, those guys who notoriously take 3 years to do much of anything--amounts to him "not yet amounting to much on the field."

 

So the league is all about TDs now huh?

 

So I guess to you Gardner was a talented stud after 2 years...I mean he had catches and TDs.

I mean Boerighter had 8 TDs his rookie year...he must be a stud with all that talent too.

 

 

Notice...no Packer fan is saying that of Gardner though. Just that he can be a solid #2 posession guy opposite of Driver.

 

 

 

16 tds. how many did ferguson have in his first two years.

 

unless you're drunk or being sarcastic, this is the last time you should even imply a connection between the dismal failure of ferguson and roy.

 

Drunk would be you thinking I made that type of comparison between Ferguson and Roy.

 

Talent alone...Ferguson has plenty...it has not amounted to that on the field....maybe you need to go back and read again...then get back to me and try this again.

 

[Ras66not99 0]

people said that because they already had receivers, not because of a year off . . .

I don't remember anyone saying that Kiper was insane to put him that high, now everyone acts like they knew that he would be a bust all along . . .

 

Look I love Kiper and all but he makes mistakes, no one is perfect... and when they uttered Mike Williams in that draft I said Matt Millen bought the Kiper hype... in terms of team need along with the fact they new he wasn't ready to play in the NFL after that year off and being out of shape.... that was just a TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE pick.... He'll join the Akili Smiths, Jamal Reynolds, & Tom KNights of the past 10 years as one of the worst top 10 picks in the last 10 years when it's all said and done.... good job Matty Millen... you da man !

[swamp dog 0]

So the league is all about TDs now huh?

 

So I guess to you Gardner was a talented stud after 2 years...I mean he had catches and TDs.

I mean Boerighter had 8 TDs his rookie year...he must be a stud with all that talent too.

 

 

Notice...no Packer fan is saying that of Gardner though. Just that he can be a solid #2 posession guy opposite of Driver.

Drunk would be you thinking I made that type of comparison between Ferguson and Roy.

 

Talent alone...Ferguson has plenty...it has not amounted to that on the field....maybe you need to go back and read again...then get back to me and try this again.

 

 

by using ferguson as an example when talking about roy, um, yes, you are making the comparison.

 

pretty clear.

[lguero1 4]

that's like comparing aggies and longhorns. oh i guess it is.

 

keep disrespecting bradford and sucking off these losers, mikey girl williams and up chuck rogers.

34 catches, 12.8 ypc and 5 tds, as many as than the rest of the Texans receivers combined. with people projecting kitna as a top 10 Qb, and projections are like opinions, and opinions are like ... well you know. but with the kitna projections, bradford will be solid and roy a semi-god. Martz is the wind beneath my wings.

 

bradford has the work ethic to stay the #2. bradford has a positive attitude. bradford lives by the creed, "Drugs are bad." 9 games, 13 catches for mikey girl. 14 games, 29 catches for up chuck rogers. both of these losers shouldn't even be in the slot. vines should be the 3rd receiver.

[swamp dog 0]

that's like comparing aggies and longhorns. oh i guess it is.

 

keep disrespecting bradford and sucking off these losers, mikey girl williams and up chuck rogers.

34 catches, 12.8 ypc and 5 tds, as many as than the rest of the Texans receivers combined. with people projecting kitna as a top 10 Qb, and projections are like opinions, and opinions are like ... well you know. but with the kitna projections, bradford will be solid and roy a semi-god. Martz is the wind beneath my wings.

 

bradford has the work ethic to stay the #2. bradford has a positive attitude. bradford lives by the creed, "Drugs are bad." 9 games, 13 catches for mikey girl. 14 games, 29 catches for up chuck rogers. both of these losers shouldn't even be in the slot. vines should be the 3rd receiver.

 

calhoun is going to get time in the slot as well.

 

there are far worse wr corps in the nfl than the lions, folks, let alone in the norse division.

 

a lot of glass houses/throwing stones here

[Mack 1 6]

Roy has talent, to be sure, but aside from the 16 TDs in his first two years, I think what people remember most are the 3 - 5 dropped TD passes he had last year, and the nagging quad injury -- of which some people here in Detroit questioned the severity -- that kept him out of a few games.

 

Some are expecting Torry Holt-type production out of Roy; I wouldn't go that far, but I think a top 15 finish is well within his reach.

 

Did I just give a Detroit Lion props?!?!?!  ::bitemytougue::

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh, and Mike Williams will be out of the league in 3 years.

 

There, that's more like it.  :wink:

[Sho Nuff 720]

by using ferguson as an example when talking about roy, um, yes, you are making the comparison.

 

pretty clear.

 

Using him as an example of a guy with a lot of talent...that has not done much with it.

 

That part of the comparison is very valid.

 

However, not once did I compare the talent between the two...that is your spin on what actually happened...and not unexpected either.

 

that's like comparing aggies and longhorns. oh i guess it is.

 

keep disrespecting bradford and sucking off these losers, mikey girl williams and up chuck rogers.

34 catches, 12.8 ypc and 5 tds, as many as than the rest of the Texans receivers combined. with people projecting kitna as a top 10 Qb, and projections are like opinions, and opinions are like ... well you know. but with the kitna projections, bradford will be solid and roy a semi-god. Martz is the wind beneath my wings.

 

bradford has the work ethic to stay the #2. bradford has a positive attitude. bradford lives by the creed, "Drugs are bad." 9 games, 13 catches for mikey girl. 14 games, 29 catches for up chuck rogers. both of these losers shouldn't even be in the slot. vines should be the 3rd receiver.

 

The problem is...he is not that good. (Bradford)

 

calhoun is going to get time in the slot as well.

 

there are far worse wr corps in the nfl than the lions, folks, let alone in the norse division.

 

a lot of glass houses/throwing stones here

 

But this is a thread about the Lions...not about other teams...not about the Bears or the Packers. You are the one trying to deflect it to that, because you cannot legitimately defend the other posts you have made.

[listen2me 23 1,953]

so i assume you're one who drafts ff based strictly on last year's performances? you don't ever project in ff?

 

interesting.

 

and i love how 16 tds in his first two years--again, we're talking wrs, those guys who notoriously take 3 years to do much of anything--amounts to him "not yet amounting to much on the field."

 

Yes 16 TDs in 2 years is solid...

 

but not staying healthy and not getting the catches or the yds so far has shown that he still hasn't proven anything....You see a lot of scrubs put up 7-9 TDs in a year (STallworth)....but they arnt the dependable move the chains guys...

 

bottom line is although very early he hasn't shown anything...there is just as much question marks and room to prove something as there is as potential....so until one does live up to there 1st round (high) drafting then they really HAVN"T amounted to anything on the field....

[swamp dog 0]

Yes 16 TDs in 2 years is solid...

 

but not staying healthy and not getting the catches or the yds so far has shown that he still hasn't proven anything....You see a lot of scrubs put up 7-9 TDs in a year (STallworth)....but they arnt the dependable move the chains guys...

 

bottom line is although very early he hasn't shown anything...there is just as much question marks and room to prove something as there is as potential....so until one does live up to there 1st round (high) drafting then they really HAVN"T amounted to anything on the field....

 

stay on task:

 

1) do you really predict roy williams to have 50/700/8--or less--this year?

2) what do you PREDICT for the packers this year.