Just had draft, think bold strategy could pan out

[Whyamiabillsfan 0]

Unfortunately, I just had my draft this past Sunday because one of our team managers is shipping out to Iraq very shortly (thanks, Dubya), but I want to share my draft results with everyone because I think I used an uncommon draft strategy and wound up with a solid team.

 

Standard scoring, No PPR. 12-team league redraft drafting out of the 4-spot. Start: 1 qb, 2rb, 3wr, 1 te, 1k, 1 def.

 

1.04- Clinton Portis

2.09- Torry Holt

3.04- Reggie Wayne

4.09- Darrell Jackson

5.04- Dominic Rhodes

6.09- Ahman Green

7.04- Chris Brown

8.09- Samkon Gado

9.04- Keyshawn Johnson

10.09- Aaron Brooks

11.04- Jake Plummer

12.09- Antonio Bryant

13.04- Heath Miller

14.09- Ladell Betts

15.04- Tampa D

16.09- Dee Brown

17.04- Jabar Gaffney

 

I didn't draft a kicker because I'll just pick one up on the waiver wire when one of my players gets injured in training camp or preseason.

 

So, my strategy (although it wasn't written in stone depending on who fell in the draft) was going RB-WR-WR-WR in the first 4 rounds, then stockpiling running backs in rds. 5-8 and drafting a two-headed monster for QB even later.

 

I definitely have a top 5 running back, the best WR corps in the league, and I think that Chris Brown and Dominic Rhodes can hold their own over rookie running backs. Handcuffing Green/Gado ensures I have a passable no.3. I should be able to play matchups with Brooks/Plummer and squeeze top 5 QB points out of them.

 

Just think I'd throw my strategy out there this year as a solid option considering the craptastic mishmash that is 2nd tier running backs this year.

 

Willing to post the whole draft if anyone's interested.

[joho2o 0]

I like the strategy, stud RB, 3 great WR, top ten TE, 2 high potential QB's, I think I would take this team and just skip my draft. very nice

[Let Da Big Dog Eat 38]

FYI, Gado may be the option to drop for your K. He is far from a lock to make the team let alone the #2. If you could've snagged Addai instead of Gado this team would be killer.

[Whyamiabillsfan 0]

FYI, Gado may be the option to drop for your K. He is far from a lock to make the team let alone the #2. If you could've snagged Addai instead of Gado this team would be killer.

 

 

Addai was gone in the 6th before the Green pick.

[mdubz 0]

i like it...this is definitely a year where this strategy can work because there are SO many question marks at RB.

[End3r 0]

IF it's not too much trouble can you post the entire draft...just want to see how it went down...thx...

 

 

Solid team btw...

[L_O_D 1]

This may be nitpicking, but RB sleeper potential/depth could of been nicer w/ choices like Maroney, D Williams, BEnson, Dayne/Bell, etc. instead of Green, Brown, et al

[mobb_deep 919]

D Jax knee scares me (and Holmgreen), Reggie Wayne is still second option to Marvin, and your RB core is scary. I like the idea but I'm not so sure about the execution.

[Whyamiabillsfan 0]

Pardon the sh!tty formatting. Here's the draft. Don't make fun of me for being in a league with some of these people. It's easy money.

 

 

Round 1

1. L. Johnson MonkeyButt

2. S. Alexander Flying Rabbits

3. L. Tomlinson KOZO&TheTest...

4. C. Portis Malleable Gado

5. E. James Those Wacky ...

6. S. Jackson Lance's Secr...

7. T. Barber Kooziers

8. C. Williams T-Baggers

9. R. Brown Snakes on a ...

10. P. Manning TBD

11. L. Jordan TBDteeds

12. R. Johnson Chris TBD

Round 2

1. W. McGahee Chris TBD

2. T. Owens TBDteeds

3. D. Davis TBD

4. S. Smith Snakes on a ...

5. L. Fitzgerald T-Baggers

6. A. Boldin Kooziers

7. C. Johnson Lance's Secr...

8. M. Harrison Those Wacky ...

9. T. Holt Malleable Gado

10. H. Ward KOZO&TheTest...

11. R. Bush Flying Rabbits

12. B. Westbrook MonkeyButt

Round 3

1. R. Moss MonkeyButt

2. W. Parker Flying Rabbits

3. J. Jones KOZO&TheTest...

4. R. Wayne Malleable Gado

5. M. Hasselbeck Those Wacky ...

6. K. Jones Lance's Secr...

7. W. Dunn Kooziers

8. P. Burress T-Baggers

9. C. Taylor Snakes on a ...

10. J. Lewis TBD

11. C. Dillon TBDteeds

12. Ro. Williams Chris TBD

Round 4

1. D. Foster Chris TBD

2. C. Benson TBDteeds

3. C. Chambers TBD

4. A. Gates Snakes on a ...

5. D. Driver T-Baggers

6. R. Droughns Kooziers

7. Sa. Moss Lance's Secr...

8. T. Bell Those Wacky ...

9. D. Jackson Malleable Gado

10. T. Houshmandzadeh KOZO&TheTest...

11. T. Brady Flying Rabbits

12. A. Johnson MonkeyButt

Round 5

1. C. Palmer MonkeyButt

2. D. Mason Flying Rabbits

3. J. Walker KOZO&TheTest...

4. D. Rhodes Malleable Gado

5. T. Heap Those Wacky ...

6. E. Manning Lance's Secr...

7. J. Shockey Kooziers

8. D. Williams T-Baggers

9. D. Branch Snakes on a ...

10. J. Horn TBD

11. D. McNabb TBDteeds

12. L. Evans Chris TBD

Round 6

1. D. Bennett Chris TBD

2. J. Addai TBDteeds

3. T. Gonzalez TBD

4. M. Bulger Snakes on a ...

5. D. Bledsoe T-Baggers

6. M. Muhammad Kooziers

7. J. Galloway Lance's Secr...

8. M. Barber Those Wacky ...

9. A. Green Malleable Gado

10. J. Witten KOZO&TheTest...

11. R. Brown Flying Rabbits

12. L. White MonkeyButt

Round 7

1. K. Robinson MonkeyButt

2. E. Kennison Flying Rabbits

3. F. Taylor KOZO&TheTest...

4. C. Brown Malleable Gado

5. N. Burleson Those Wacky ...

6. A. Crumpler Lance's Secr...

7. Ro. Smith Kooziers

8. G. Jones T-Baggers

9. R. Dayne Snakes on a ...

10. D. McAllister TBD

11. D. Stallworth TBDteeds

12. C. Cooley Chris TBD

Round 8

1. Ma. Jones Chris TBD

2. R. McMichael TBDteeds

3. F. Gore TBD

4. Mi. Clayton Snakes on a ...

5. L. Coles T-Baggers

6. T. Glenn Kooziers

7. T. Jones Lance's Secr...

8. J. Porter Those Wacky ...

9. S. Gado Malleable Gado

10. I. Bruce KOZO&TheTest...

11. B. Watson Flying Rabbits

12. K. Winslow MonkeyButt

Round 9

1. Chicago MonkeyButt

2. D. Givens Flying Rabbits

3. J. Delhomme KOZO&TheTest...

4. K. Johnson Malleable Gado

5. M. Moore Those Wacky ...

6. Carolina Lance's Secr...

7. B. Edwards Kooziers

8. New York T-Baggers

9. L. Maroney Snakes on a ...

10. Pittsburgh TBD

11. K. McCardell TBDteeds

12. J. Jurevicius Chris TBD

Round 10

1. C. Perry Chris TBD

2. E. Moulds TBDteeds

3. E. Wilford TBD

4. C. Martin Snakes on a ...

5. L. Smith T-Baggers

6. C. Houston Kooziers

7. T. Green Lance's Secr...

8. N. Rackers Those Wacky ...

9. A. Brooks Malleable Gado

10. T. Duckett KOZO&TheTest...

11. R. White Flying Rabbits

12. K. Warner MonkeyButt

Round 11

1. K. Curtis MonkeyButt

2. D. Staley Flying Rabbits

3. M. Turner KOZO&TheTest...

4. J. Plummer Malleable Gado

5. T. Williamson Those Wacky ...

6. M. Jenkins Lance's Secr...

7. S. McNair Kooziers

8. M. Anderson T-Baggers

9. Ma. Clayton Snakes on a ...

10. B. Jacobs TBD

11. Washington TBDteeds

12. B. Roethlisberger Chris TBD

Round 12

1. M. Vick Chris TBD

2. Re. Williams TBDteeds

3. D. Culpepper TBD

4. Indianapolis Snakes on a ...

5. S. Holmes T-Baggers

6. Jacksonville Kooziers

7. A. Vinatieri Lance's Secr...

8. Minnesota Those Wacky ...

9. A. Bryant Malleable Gado

10. B. Lloyd KOZO&TheTest...

11. V. Davis Flying Rabbits

12. R. Moats MonkeyButt

Round 13

1. S. Parker MonkeyButt

2. Buffalo Flying Rabbits

3. D. Brees KOZO&TheTest...

4. H. Miller Malleable Gado

5. M. Vanderjagt Those Wacky ...

6. R. Ferguson Lance's Secr...

7. S. Graham Kooziers

8. B. Leftwich T-Baggers

9. K. Barlow Snakes on a ...

10. M. Pittman TBD

11. B. Favre TBDteeds

12. Seattle Chris TBD

Round 14

1. M. Williams Chris TBD

2. R. Caldwell TBDteeds

3. B. Stokley TBD

4. J. Kitna Snakes on a ...

5. J. Elam T-Baggers

6. A. Lelie Kooziers

7. P. Holmes Lance's Secr...

8. A. Toomer Those Wacky ...

9. L. Betts Malleable Gado

10. A. Smith KOZO&TheTest...

11. D. Blaylock Flying Rabbits

12. C. Buckhalter MonkeyButt

Round 15

1. A. Randle El MonkeyButt

2. P. Price Flying Rabbits

3. M. Booker KOZO&TheTest...

4. Tampa Bay Malleable Gado

5. J. Putzier Those Wacky ...

6. Da. Clark Lance's Secr...

7. M. Brunell Kooziers

8. J. Stevens T-Baggers

9. B. Troupe Snakes on a ...

10. N. Davenport TBD

11. J. Feely TBDteeds

12. B. Volek Chris TBD

Round 16

1. C. Cobbs Chris TBD

2. C. Rogers TBDteeds

3. J. Wilkins TBD

4. D. Carr Snakes on a ...

5. S. Gostkowski T-Baggers

6. J. Fargas Kooziers

7. T. Fisher Lance's Secr...

8. B. Finneran Those Wacky ...

9. D. Brown Malleable Gado

10. Denver KOZO&TheTest...

11. P. Rivers Flying Rabbits

12. D. Akers MonkeyButt

Round 17

1. Q. Griffin MonkeyButt

2. J. Brown Flying Rabbits

3. L. Suggs KOZO&TheTest...

4. J. Gaffney Malleable Gado

5. G. Lewis Those Wacky ...

6. T. Pinkston Lance's Secr...

7. J. Wiggins Kooziers

8. S. Wallace T-Baggers

9. B. Calhoun Snakes on a ...

10. A. Smith TBD

11. M. Bradley TBDteeds

12. V. Jackson Chris TBD

[Whyamiabillsfan 0]

D Jax knee scares me (and Holmgreen), Reggie Wayne is still second option to Marvin, and your RB core is scary. I like the idea but I'm not so sure about the execution.

 

The season is still 5 weeks away. The fact that Darrell Jackson is on the PUP list isn't all that frightening. I had to take him as the no. 16 WR off the board at the end of the 4th. I would see your concern if I reached for him as my No. 1 WR, but he's my 3rd. If healthy, he could put up top 10 numbers. Was on the verge of that before the injury last year.

 

Reggie Wayne is still second option to Marvin? What's your point? That's like being the second option to Jenna Jameson. Might not be as pretty as being in the top spot, but you're still gonna get yours.

 

Rhodes, Chris Brown, and Green are all No. 1 running backs right now. Sure, there are question marks, but c'mon now, LJ has question marks. Hard to pass over them for a Maroney or DeAngelo Williams.

[Raider 84 29]

As long as Portis stays healthy you should be alright.

[Whyamiabillsfan 0]

As long as Portis stays healthy you should be alright.

 

 

I think that could be said about any stud RB. I handcuffed him, too, so it's not something that's eating away at me.

[bigfeet_88 0]

Gutsy. Dunn probably would have been the safe pick for consistent RB points.

 

Why didn't you pick up Davenpoop at 15.4 to get the GB TriFecta?

[Whyamiabillsfan 0]

Gutsy. Dunn probably would have been the safe pick for consistent RB points.

 

Why didn't you pick up Davenpoop at 15.4 to get the GB TriFecta?

 

 

Dunn went in the 3rd round to an Atlanta homer. Ridiculous.

 

I'd rather not have Davenpoop on my team. I believe this is self-explanatory.

[Whyamiabillsfan 0]

bump up the jam.

[kutulu 1,564]

A. Brooks is a jinx. I suggest dropping him now and hoping for the best. It may be too late, though.

[gffootball 0]

Pretty solid team - but there's good value in receivers up through the 7th round this year, so I don't think it's a necessity to draft them early. Still, I think you got good value with each of them, so overall it will probably work.

 

Anyone ever tried using a strategy with QB's similar to this? That is, drafting 4 QB's from rounds 7-10? QB's historically have the most sleeper potential, so I was thinking of doing something like this once I've gotten my starting RB/WR's.

[football is life 0]

I think you are OK. If Rhodes comes through, you will DOMINATE!

[BlackPlague 1]

I don't like the DJax pick. To be safer, I would have taken Rhodes/Addai at 4/5 and locked in the Indi RB spot and then taken Branch/Horn/Galloway in the 6th to finish off the WRs. You don't lose much value at WR and assure yourself of a decent RB2.

 

It's one thing to try out a different strategy - it's another to get too locked into it that you don't see the value picks.

[hotdogcollarsdotcom 0]

interesting approach and u certainly could dominate if things play out right. You could also have some major trade bait should a you hit on all your bets.

 

the only thing about that draft strategy is that you now have major lineup decisions every week at both RB and QB (a total of 3 or maybe 4 players each week). If you're confident in your lineup skillz, then more power to you. Personally i would go nuts if i made the wrong decisions a few weeks in a row. I'd rather have a solid QB, 2 solid RBs and 1 solid WR, then i'm only deciding on my last 2 WR each week. but hey, I've finished 2nd in each of the last 5 seasons, so what the f do i know maybe i do this and it pushes to the winners circle

[Sweetness_34 0]

This would have been even a better draft if you could have snagged Najeh Davenpoop too....that way between Ahman, Najeh and Gado, you would have a guaranteed RB2 (and you could have waited until they defined a starting RB by going with Rhodes or Chris Brown earlier)

 

Also, I would have taken a Ron Dayne instead of a Dom RHodes.....

 

Nice strategy none the less.....since it is not a PPR, Heath Miller is a great pick since he will get TDs even if he does not get lots of catches

[De Novo 0]

It's a good approach insomuch as your league requires you to start 3 WRs. In a league that starts only 2 WRs, no way you end up with that quality of RBs. Chris Brown in the 7th? C'mon! No way you swing that in a "standard" lineup league.

 

Looking back, I think the draft dictated your strategy. At each pick, only mediocre RBs were left--ones much weaker than the best available WR. I think the draft fell into place perfectly, but it may not happen again. Addai doesn't go 6th round in any drafts.

[dreadlocks34 0]

It's a good approach insomuch as your league requires you to start 3 WRs. In a league that starts only 2 WRs, no way you end up with that quality of RBs. Chris Brown in the 7th? C'mon! No way you swing that in a "standard" lineup league.

 

I don't agree with that. If Chris Brown is not traded and provided he somehow someway stays healthy he will at some point, sooner probably than later, be splitting time with White. Even if Brown starts and takes alot of the action White almost assuredly is a short yardage guy, killing alot of Brown's value. Maybe 7th is a tad late but how much higher do you take a guy who is certainly not a full time back?

[hadji 0]

I like the strategy. Get a top RB in the first round and load up on WRs while everybody is scrambling on RB's w/ question marks to fill out their backfield. I'm picking 10th in a 10 team draft and I'm thinking of taking it one step further and taking two RB's on the same team back to back in the 5th/6th round to ensure that I get a starter once the competition shakes out. I'm thinking at 10 I should be able to get somebody like Jordan, R. Brown, or Cadillac. Get a TO or Steve Smith in the second round. Pick up a 2nd and third WR of a Reggie Wayne or Chris Chambers caliber and then pick up a Rhodes/Addai combo or D. Foster, Deangelo Williams combo in the 5th/6th. We play 1 RB, 2 WR, and a flex (rb/wr). My team would be looking like this: Jordan, TO, Wayne, Chambers, D Foster, D Williams. Then I could pick up some sleepers like Maroney and Lendale White in the later rounds and I should be set at RB.

[Exit 160 0]

First of all don't thank Dubya, thank the Islamis fascist

 

Is it me or do you only have one starting RB?

 

 

Unfortunately, I just had my draft this past Sunday because one of our team managers is shipping out to Iraq very shortly (thanks, Dubya), but I want to share my draft results with everyone because I think I used an uncommon draft strategy and wound up with a solid team.

 

Standard scoring, No PPR. 12-team league redraft drafting out of the 4-spot. Start: 1 qb, 2rb, 3wr, 1 te, 1k, 1 def.

 

1.04- Clinton Portis

2.09- Torry Holt

3.04- Reggie Wayne

4.09- Darrell Jackson

5.04- Dominic Rhodes

6.09- Ahman Green

7.04- Chris Brown

8.09- Samkon Gado

9.04- Keyshawn Johnson

10.09- Aaron Brooks

11.04- Jake Plummer

12.09- Antonio Bryant

13.04- Heath Miller

14.09- Ladell Betts

15.04- Tampa D

16.09- Dee Brown

17.04- Jabar Gaffney

 

I didn't draft a kicker because I'll just pick one up on the waiver wire when one of my players gets injured in training camp or preseason.

 

So, my strategy (although it wasn't written in stone depending on who fell in the draft) was going RB-WR-WR-WR in the first 4 rounds, then stockpiling running backs in rds. 5-8 and drafting a two-headed monster for QB even later.

 

I definitely have a top 5 running back, the best WR corps in the league, and I think that Chris Brown and Dominic Rhodes can hold their own over rookie running backs. Handcuffing Green/Gado ensures I have a passable no.3. I should be able to play matchups with Brooks/Plummer and squeeze top 5 QB points out of them.

 

Just think I'd throw my strategy out there this year as a solid option considering the craptastic mishmash that is 2nd tier running backs this year.

 

Willing to post the whole draft if anyone's interested.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

Is it me or do you only have one starting RB?

 

Watch out for Ahman Green. I have him pegged as a steal. Either way he has Gado so he is covered. And also keep an eye on Chris Brown. This lineup could end up being very strong RB wise.

 

I think this strategy works ONLY because you have one of the true stud RBs. Having one of the Big 4/5 RBs gives lots of flexibility in drafting.

[War Ensemble 0]

The guy who drafted 1st overall, MonkeyButt

, has a verrry nice team.

[Belushi 9]

I like it overall. But I would have taken Addai right after Rhodes instead of gambling on Green. That would have given you a pretty good tandem for your second RB, and Brown and Gado would make nice backups.

 

Overall, nicely done. DJax that late is a steal.

[lowman 4]

I like Jackson there as well.

[Polamalu43 0]

I used a similar strategy in a couple mocks that I have done. I realize the val,ue of having 2 good RBs, but if your draft position doesn't allow for that to happen, you have to go another route. A couple of my mocks I didn't choose an RB until the 4th round because I refuse to reach to high for a player if another player at a different position is more of a threat. With that said, I am set at RB in both my leagues, and I won't have to worry about one for awhile. However, it is interesting to toy with different strategies while mocking. It prepares you to see what type of team you could get using a certain strategy.

[Parkers99 0]

Not bad, with a little luck you should have a good season.

 

But MonkeyButt absolutely dominated this draft!

[De Novo 0]

I don't agree with that. If Chris Brown is not traded and provided he somehow someway stays healthy he will at some point, sooner probably than later, be splitting time with White. Even if Brown starts and takes alot of the action White almost assuredly is a short yardage guy, killing alot of Brown's value. Maybe 7th is a tad late but how much higher do you take a guy who is certainly not a full time back?

 

Yeah yeah yeah. Brown was supposed to be splitting time with Travis Henry last year too. Even if he "splits time", he ends up with 200 carries. That's his downside. No RB whose downside is 200 carries and has a much higher upside slips to the 7th round. If Dominic Rhodes is going in the 5th then Chris Brown should be as well. Just because Chris Brown isn't the sexy pick like Lendale or Maroney or Addai or whoever the hell Carolina drafted, doesn't mean he isn't worth something. You give me 4 Chris Browns vs. your 4 rookie RBs and I win the league 8 times out of 10. All of those guys are going ahead of Brown.

[FBH ** 0]

I like the strategy and am probably going to use something similar this year. I am drafting out of the 1.10 and 2.1 spots, after keepers the only RB that might make it to me is Gimpy(DD). I am certainly not wasting a 1.10 on him. So I am looking at using the picks for Smith and either CJ or Fitzy. My Keeper is Jordan so I will be gambling a little more (Portis is more steady than Jordan) than you will on lower tier RB. We will see how it works out. I like the Brooks/Plummer combo, the AFC west was the worst conference against the pass last year, so playing the macth-ups should work for you. Good Luck

[Mighty6 0]

I think it's a gutsy strategy and I think you put together a pretty decent team with potential huge upside.

 

You're solid at WR, and at RB you're pretty well covered. As mentioned above,

 

De Novo Posted Today, 08:34 AM

QUOTE(dreadlocks34 @ Aug 2 2006, 12:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

I don't agree with that. If Chris Brown is not traded and provided he somehow someway stays healthy he will at some point, sooner probably than later, be splitting time with White. Even if Brown starts and takes alot of the action White almost assuredly is a short yardage guy, killing alot of Brown's value. Maybe 7th is a tad late but how much higher do you take a guy who is certainly not a full time back?

 

 

 

Yeah yeah yeah. Brown was supposed to be splitting time with Travis Henry last year too. Even if he "splits time", he ends up with 200 carries. That's his downside. No RB whose downside is 200 carries and has a much higher upside slips to the 7th round. If Dominic Rhodes is going in the 5th then Chris Brown should be as well. Just because Chris Brown isn't the sexy pick like Lendale or Maroney or Addai or whoever the hell Carolina drafted, doesn't mean he isn't worth something. You give me 4 Chris Browns vs. your 4 rookie RBs and I win the league 8 times out of 10. All of those guys are going ahead of Brown.

 

I think Brown is a decent pick. If he gets traded and ends up being a clear #1, then he's a steal. Of course, I'd look to pick up his backup on his new team just in case..

 

[Chronic Husker 85]

Interesting strategy. Don't necessarily like your picks, but I will stick up for the Green/Gado combo. GB has a dream ff playoff schedule.

[SmartassBoiler 0]

Addai was gone in the 6th before the Green pick.

 

You took Rhodes over Addai? Interesting team strategy, although I question the DJax pick with his knee. If you're going to wait on a RB2, then I think you'd want to avoid question marks with your WRs if they're going to anchor your team.

[Jackson Biggs 0]

did a couple of mocks this way already...it can work if you pick the right guys (duh), but it looks appealing this year since their is a big cluster f%$k of RBs after the top 10 or so are gone

[NPNG 4]

The more I look at it the more I really like the strategy. I have had success in the past using the standard pick 2 RB's with the first two picks. The past 3 years have failed me, however, because one of my RB's has sustained an injury, turned into a RBBC, or just stunk the place up. In my opinion, WR's are far more reliable and play, for the most part, true to form. The idea of picking some solid RB's in the later rounds seems like a great idea because there is always 3-5 RB's who come out of nowhere to contribute greatly in fantasy. I do think this would work better if you had one of the top 3 picks (those 3 seem to have separated themselves and with this theory your one RB better play well week in and week out), but the next 3 or 4 RB's, though not as spectacular as the top 3, should be solid. I am always looking for a strategy out of the ordinary but have always been afraid to try anything different. This might change my thinking.

[Whyamiabillsfan 0]

Not bad, with a little luck you should have a good season.

 

But MonkeyButt absolutely dominated this draft!

 

 

I think Monkeybutt had a very good draft, but to say he dominated it is an overstatement.

 

He has very little depth at running back and when Westbrook goes down to injury and during bye weeks, who does he turn to?

 

His wide receivers are average and he really reached for Kellen Winslow, who I think is unproven and overhyped.

 

Great QBs if they both stay healthy, good kicker, and excellent D.

[Peens 0]

Addai was gone in the 6th before the Green pick.

 

I think the Djax pick was the mistake. Im betting you couldve snagged a decent RB with that pick than passed on Ahman in the 6th and got another decent wr (matt jones, reggie brown)