Ronnie Brown, sophmore jinx

[nocarbs 0]

could R.Brown be this years J.Jones, K.Jones or W.McGahee?

Because I am thinking about taking him at #5, but I am worried I will get burned like I did last year with McGahee and J.Jones.

[MikeMoses 0]

could R.Brown be this years J.Jones, K.Jones or T.McGahee?

Because I am thinking about taking him at #5, but I am worried I will get burned like I did last year with McGahee and J.Jones.

I picked him up at the 10 spot so I'm hoping not.

[mr.shitty 0]

I can imagine it, most teams rarely play the starters in that last preseason game.

 

 

i took him at 5 last night and now i hate you

[USGrant 0]

There is no way to quantify the sophmore mojo but I will say this, everything points towards this guy having a monster season. If he fails, breaks a leg or whatever, it's just bad ju-ju and how can you prepare for that?

[Acerun 0]

Ronnie was just sort of average last year.

 

I think this year he will have more chances to run, couple that with a real qb forcing the defense to cover the pass and you have what looks like a good chance to perform.

 

I think Caddy is more likely to have a jinxed year.

[nocarbs 0]

Ronnie was just sort of average last year.

 

I think this year he will have more chances to run, couple that with a real qb forcing the defense to cover the pass and you have what looks like a good chance to perform.

 

I think Caddy is more likely to have a jinxed year.

 

I know the upside with Brown is higher than Rudi, S.Jax or Edge.

[jgcrawfish 232]

I feel that as Dante proves himself healthy Ronnie's value goes up. He's got a big, mostly-mobile, hard to bring down QB and good skill players around him and a coach who likes air it out occassionally to keep the D honest, and again, he has ABSOLUTELY no competition at RB trying to get onto the field. Tampa is different, with Simms being a little less proven and Caddie having Pittman stealing some 3rd down duties and Alstott vulturing goalline work. I think Brown's youth and situation make him more likely for a better season...

 

and yes, I'm now a Brown owner and hate you for even mentioning the words "sophomore jinx" anywhere near his name.

[Return of the King 0]

I plan on taking R.Brown at #5. I know the safe pick is Rudi, but I had Rudi last year and he did nothing until week 9. Rudi had only 2 tds the first 8 weeks. I don't think that we can put R.Brown in the same class as KJ, JJ or McGahee were last year. Brown has some good talent around him, plus the Dolphins sched. is a little easier than Cinny.

Ronnie Brown

[jgcrawfish 232]

I plan on taking R.Brown at #5. I know the safe pick is Rudi, but I had Rudi last year and he did nothing until week 9. Rudi had only 2 tds the first 8 weeks. I don't think that we can put R.Brown in the same class as KJ, JJ or McGahee were last year. Brown has some good talent around him, plus the Dolphins sched. is a little easier than Cinny.

Ronnie Brown

 

Hope your right, same reasons I took him with Tiki, Portis, Jordan, Edge, Caddie and Rudi still on available. Fingers are crossed.

[richgator 0]

what about brown over tiki in a keeper league......this is my decision. i really want to take brown but every publication/cheetsheet/player ranking has tiki higher.

[CantTouchThis 23]

Who the crap is T.Mcgahee???

 

Ronnie is in a much better situation than last year, improved o-line, much improved QB, no RB behind him, i think the D will be improved(was solid last year, but, i think they will be a top knotch D). All the factors are together for him to explode.

[AlamoReg 1]

what about brown over tiki in a keeper league......this is my decision. i really want to take brown but every publication/cheetsheet/player ranking has tiki higher.

 

Keep Brown, trade Tiki for an extra pick or two - someone should take him.

[Reality 3,121]

I know the upside with Brown is higher than Rudi, S.Jax or Edge.

 

 

Explain?

 

Rudi and Edge have been consistent 1400 12 type guys.. What is Ronnie's high end? Your dreaming if you think it is higher than what these guys are averaging..

 

I have Ronnie Brown this year and if I get 1400 and 12 out of him I will be one happy camper.. I would imagine he will come in well under that though.. 1200 8-10 type season is prob more realistic..

[ravenmad22 0]

Explain?

 

Rudi and Edge have been consistent 1400 12 type guys.. What is Ronnie's high end? Your dreaming if you think it is higher than what these guys are averaging..

 

I have Ronnie Brown this year and if I get 1400 and 12 out of him I will be one happy camper.. I would imagine he will come in well under that though.. 1200 8-10 type season is prob more realistic..

 

His high end is LT's low end. Period. He's that good all around. Way more talented than Rudi and with much less mileage and a better team than edge.

 

Ronnie Brown's upside:

1800 All purpose yards and 15 TD

 

Downside:

1200 All purpose yards and 8 TD.

 

I would be shocked if he doesn't put up numbers like that.

[football_scooter 0]

Everything pointed to KJones having a MONSTER 2005, too.

 

Same line, improved D, more commitment to the run...hell, the guy was the leading rusher in the NFL over the 2nd half of 2004...all signs indicated that he would be a MONSTER in 2005.

 

I don't trust sophmores. Plus if Cpep goes down (1 bad hit?) you've got Joey Football trying to get 1st downs.

 

Big upside for raw talent, but IMO most risk of the 4-12 RBs.

 

Caddy loses GL carries to Alstott and 3rd downs to Pittman.

 

SJax has been inconsistent as hell and has a poor defense behind him, potentially limiting the Rams ability to run.

 

Jordan seems like the safest of the 1st round backs past the big 4. That's who I took at 6. RuJo also - lower upside and won't get receptions, but he's a near lock for 1500/10. One man's opinion.

[murf74 461]

Ronnie was just sort of average last year.

 

I think this year he will have more chances to run, couple that with a real qb forcing the defense to cover the pass and you have what looks like a good chance to perform.

 

I think Caddy is more likely to have a jinxed year.

 

907 yards rushing while splitting time and missing a game.....while playing with garbage QBs too.

 

Add in another 232 yards receiving. 1139 combined yards while splitting time!!!!

 

He averged 4.4 yards per carrry. The following RBs were equal to or less than 4.4:

 

Portis 4.3

Edge 4.2

LT 4.3

Rudi 4.3

Caddy 4.1

Sjax 4.1

 

And he was a rookie!

 

Please define sort of average!

[football_scooter 0]

(Ronnie) Downside:

1200 All purpose yards and 8 TD.

 

I would be shocked if he doesn't put up numbers like that.

 

His downside is significantly lower if CPep goes down. That knee is hardly a non-issue....one bad tackle/sack and he could be toast.

[ravenmad22 0]

His downside is significantly lower if CPep goes down. That knee is hardly a non-issue....one bad tackle/sack and he could be toast.

 

I call BS. Ronnie put up 1139 all purpose and 5 touches last year while losing goal-line and many of his carries to Ricky. This was with a combination of Jay Fiedler and AJ Feeley at QB, possibly the worst tandem in recent NFL history. Even Joey "Strawberries and Champagne" Harrington is better than those two characters.

[football_scooter 0]

I call BS. Ronnie put up 1139 all purpose and 5 touches last year while losing goal-line and many of his carries to Ricky. This was with a combination of Jay Fiedler and AJ Feeley at QB, possibly the worst tandem in recent NFL history. Even Joey "Strawberries and Champagne" Harrington is better than those two characters.

 

I'm not sure I'd bet on that.

 

Gotta get 1st downs to have a productive RB. Though Harrington did look good on the one preseason drive I saw (ending in a McMichael TD) I still have my doubts about him in regular season games.

 

Call "BS" all you like - I gave you my reasons for preferring LJordan/RuJo over him. The most significant of which is that those two have proven something to me whereas RBrown has yet to prove to me that he can be "the man". He wasn't in college (pt time play) and he wasn't last year (pt time play).

 

He had 1 highlight reel carry that I recall, and I owned him in one league...so it's not like I wasn't paying attention. He's a physically gifted back, and I would definately take him anywhere past 6, (SA/LJ/LT2/Tiki/ruJo/LJordan/ => RBrown) but he's not the safest pick, IMO. I have long been a 1st round risk taker and last two years it's burned me badly. Now I'm always about safe.

[Turf CamelToe 1]

907 yards rushing while splitting time and missing a game.....while playing with garbage QBs too.

 

Add in another 232 yards receiving. 1139 combined yards while splitting time!!!!

 

He averged 4.4 yards per carrry. The following RBs were equal to or less than 4.4:

 

Portis 4.3

Edge 4.2

LT 4.3

Rudi 4.3

Caddy 4.1

Sjax 4.1

 

And he was a rookie!

 

Please define sort of average!

 

and he came to camp late

[www.kyleortonfans.com 0]

and he came to camp late

 

Brown will either be a complete horse and take it to the next level, or he'll break down towards the end of the year. Either way, I'm down. I took him at 1.09 in my 14 team draft and grabbed Fitz in the second round. My team will either be awesome, or worthless. Rock

[Ilov80s 0]

Even Joey "Strawberries and Champagne" Harrington is better than those two characters.

 

Ohhhhhh I don't know about that

[sharkie22 0]

I have Brown too and I'll be surprised if he finishes with 12 TD's and more than 1350 yards rushing. Pleasantly surprised. The Dolphins were fortunate last year to have the Jets and Bills twice, NO, Oakland, Cleveland, Tenn and ATL on the schedule. Or, in other words, 9 games against seven of the leagues eleven worst defenses vs. the run. If you look at Browns ypc average against Tampa, Denver and SD you'll see the difference. Brown did blow up against Carolina whose defense was at times very good and at other times very bad. This years schedule doesn't look as soft and that's without assuming the Bills defense will be any better than last year. Mularkey is calling the plays and not Linehan also. Remember what a bang up job he did with McGahee last year? I'm just trying to be realistic about this guy and not over project. 1800 all purpose yards and 15 TD's or out producing Rudi is pushing it a little I think.

[nocarbs 0]

I plan on taking R.Brown at #5. I know the safe pick is Rudi, but I had Rudi last year and he did nothing until week 9. Rudi had only 2 tds the first 8 weeks. I don't think that we can put R.Brown in the same class as KJ, JJ or McGahee were last year. Brown has some good talent around him, plus the Dolphins sched. is a little easier than Cinny.

Ronnie Brown

 

Rudi only had 4 games last year when he rushed over 100 yards and 2 of those 4 games were against Cleveland.

[Reality 3,121]

Explain?

 

Rudi and Edge have been consistent 1400 12 type guys.. What is Ronnie's high end? Your dreaming if you think it is higher than what these guys are averaging..

 

I have Ronnie Brown this year and if I get 1400 and 12 out of him I will be one happy camper.. I would imagine he will come in well under that though.. 1200 8-10 type season is prob more realistic..

 

It's always interesting going back and reading some of the posts from before the season started. Some people's projections were rediculous, but even my lowly numbers weren't even close to being met. I won't make the same mistake next year. Sammy Morris has out played this chump. Don't give me the injury bs either, he was garbage before he got hurt.

[booya 0]

I think Ronnie Brown's lack of production this year was due mostly because of Ricky William's absence, not Brown's lack of talent. Obviously Morris had a big game against NE but 44 yards came in garbage time when the game had already been decided. I think next year with Ricky back and taking some of hte laod of ronnie he'll be a decent #2 back.

[Erb047 0]

I think Ronnie Brown's lack of production this year was due mostly because of Ricky William's absence, not Brown's lack of talent. Obviously Morris had a big game against NE but 44 yards came in garbage time when the game had already been decided. I think next year with Ricky back and taking some of hte laod of ronnie he'll be a decent #2 back.

 

 

Agreed, but I doubt Ricky makes it back.

 

 

And as far as calling Ronnie a chump, cmon. This is where fantasy world is rediculous. Because he doesn't meet your fantasy expectations or whatever, he's a chump

 

I blame Ronnie's disapointing season on these facts -

 

They lost SIX OFFENSIVE GUARDS to injuries at the beginning of the year. SIX! That's unheard of! They also lost Jeno James for a couple games, who is their best OG on that line. They finally got some chemistry going later on in the season after plugging LJ Shelton in at RG and using Damion McIntosh at LT, and Ronnie's stats started reflecting it, but it's just too late now.

 

Mularkey is a TERRIBLE offensive co-ordinator. Look no further than the Green Bay game. Horrible game for a Dolphin fan. Sammy Morris is a great #2 RB, but Mularkey just called horrible games early on this season to utilize he and Ronnie properly. He had a decent playcalling game against New England, but Ronnie was already out. Had me wondering why it took so long to let him balance their attack out.

 

Honestly, this team could be scary in 2007. They DO have talent on offense and Ronnie IS a good RB. Two things need to disapear on the Dolphins in 2007 for Ronnie to really break out. Daunte Culpepper, and Mike Mularkey. Thats it.

[Gepetto 1,354]

I had him this year. He was decent. He's a very good running back stuck in a bad situation this year b/c their o-line struglled much of the year and their play calling was suspect to be kind. I checked the FFToday Crank scores...result - no elite games for Ronnie. First round was definitely too early to take him this year.

[lagarzlebrew 0]

I had him this year. He was decent. He's a very good running back stuck in a bad situation this year b/c their o-line struglled much of the year and their play calling was suspect to be kind. I checked the FFToday Crank scores...result - no elite games for Ronnie. First round was definitely too early to take him this year.

[Laurence Maroney's Nuts 2]

It's always interesting going back and reading some of the posts from before the season started. Some people's projections were rediculous, but even my lowly numbers weren't even close to being met. I won't make the same mistake next year. Sammy Morris has out played this chump. Don't give me the injury bs either, he was garbage before he got hurt.

 

Chump? He was ahead of a lot of guys you'd probably call "studs" when he got injured...

[BMoney 0]

i wont even pick ronnie for my fantasy arena league next year.....

[Hagy34 0]

It's always interesting going back and reading some of the posts from before the season started. Some people's projections were rediculous, but even my lowly numbers weren't even close to being met. I won't make the same mistake next year. Sammy Morris has out played this chump. Don't give me the injury bs either, he was garbage before he got hurt.

 

Dude you are a complete moron. Go ahead and ask every NFL GM out there to pick sammy morris or Ronnie Brown. Seriously do it. Sammy has never and will never out play Ronnie. Get a clue you tool.

[Reality 3,121]

Dude you are a complete moron. Go ahead and ask every NFL GM out there to pick sammy morris or Ronnie Brown. Seriously do it. Sammy has never and will never out play Ronnie. Get a clue you tool.

 

Yea, I am a moron.. A moron who wasted a first round pick on this joker.. You keep waiting on potential for a guy who has never proven he can put up big numbers or carry the load.. Good strategy, I hope it works out well for you.. I'm sure he'll be rushing for 2k yards in no time..

 

 

 

The name calling really proves your point.

[Laurence Maroney's Nuts 2]

Yea, I am a moron.. A moron who wasted a first round pick on this joker.. You keep waiting on potential for a guy who has never proven he can put up big numbers or carry the load.. Good strategy, I hope it works out well for you.. I'm sure he be rushing for 2k yards in no time..

 

 

 

The name calling really proves your point.

 

I mean in all honesty, you do kinda seem like a moron. He was on a pretty decent pace with a weak schedule ahead of him when he went down... How don't you see that, and what kind of numbers were you expecting. Jeez. It's in the numbers -- did you even see a Dolphins game and witness the playcalling and the manner in which they were (not) utilizing him?

 

I'm not saying Brown is the ultra-stud that some people were exaggerating him out to be, but he's alright man. I think you are just frustrated and taking it personally since you drafted him. It's quite clear really. You go ahead and use your pick on Lamont Jordan or Caddy Williams next year instead...

[Reality 3,121]

I mean in all honesty, you do kinda seem like a moron. He was on a pretty decent pace with a weak schedule ahead of him when he went down... How don't you see that, and what kind of numbers were you expecting. Jeez. It's in the numbers -- did you even see a Dolphins game and witness the playcalling and the manner in which they were (not) utilizing him?

 

I'm not saying Brown is the ultra-stud that some people were exaggerating him out to be, but he's alright man. I think you are just frustrated and taking it personally since you drafted him. It's quite clear really. You go ahead and use your pick on Lamont Jordan or Caddy Williams next year instead...

 

I guess I have to spell it out for some people. Ronnie was on pace for 1100 yards and 7 TD's.. That is a far cry from the 1500-1800 yards and 15-12 TD's some people we're projecting. If you read any of my posts from before the season started I said those numbers were rediculous and not realistic.

 

Is this a bit more clear for you now or am I still the moron? I'm not sure how else to break it down for you. Not trying to be a ######, but not sure how else to put it. I figured if you took the time to comment you would atleast read the post. Like I said before, you guys can keep hoping for potential. I care about results.

[dolphin-g 0]

I guess I have to spell it out for some people. Ronnie was on pace for 1100 yards and 7 TD's.. That is a far cry from the 1500-1800 yards and 15-12 TD's some people we're projecting. If you read any of my posts from before the season started I said those numbers were rediculous and not realistic.

 

Is this a bit more clear for you now or am I still the moron? I'm not sure how else to break it down for you. Not trying to be a ######, but not sure how else to put it. I figured if you took the time to comment you would atleast read the post. Like I said before, you guys can keep hoping for potential. I care about results.

 

ur still the moron!

[Laurence Maroney's Nuts 2]

I guess I have to spell it out for some people. Ronnie was on pace for 1100 yards and 7 TD's.. That is a far cry from the 1500-1800 yards and 15-12 TD's some people we're projecting. If you read any of my posts from before the season started I said those numbers were rediculous and not realistic.

 

Is this a bit more clear for you now or am I still the moron? I'm not sure how else to break it down for you. Not trying to be a ######, but not sure how else to put it. I figured if you took the time to comment you would atleast read the post. Like I said before, you guys can keep hoping for potential. I care about results.

 

You must understand that the pace you have your little projection based on includes the following factors:

 

(1) He was greatly under-used by his offense -- Take into account there were games that he had the following numbers of carries - 15,15,12,15,12,15. If those are the number of carries a "stud" #1 RB is getting then it speaks more to poor play calling than anything else. Take a look at the games in which he received a fair amount of carries (20+) in games where the Fins established the run. Here, I'll help:

 

carries-yds-TD

26-90-0

22-127-1

29-157-0

25-89-1

 

(2) He had a nice line of games ahead of him when he was injured -- He had just begun shredding the Lions when he got injured, and had the Bills, Jets, and COLTS left on the Schedule --- Hmmm, I wonder why Morris is looking good. Go figure.

 

So as it stands, your analysis seems somewhat misleading, imo.