Da Bears 34 - Da Pats 3

[Walter34 3]

The Patriots are the better team but I'm not going to spend a lot of time explaining why. If you watched that game objectively you saw the better team win.

 

 

 

The Pats won and they deserved it, but easy on the better team koolaid. 3rd road game in a row for the Bears. The Bears flaws in this game are fixable. Send NE to Chi and it could be an entirely different result. Both teams are SB contenders and the game was close enough that that didnt change anything.

 

Woulkd you consider the Jets a better team after they beat NE?

[TD Ryan2 316]

The Pats won and they deserved it, but easy on the better team koolaid. 3rd road game in a row for the Bears. The Bears flaws in this game are fixable. Send NE to Chi and it could be an entirely different result. Both teams are SB contenders and the game was close enough that that didnt change anything.

 

Woulkd you consider the Jets a better team after they beat NE?

 

 

I agree Walter.

it's a shame that Sweetness is giving Bears fans such a bad name.

Personally, I love the Bears and understand that every team has to have their share of homer-dopes.

 

IMO, NE is a better balanced team. Though neither the NE offense, defense, or special teams can be labeled "dominant", they can do enough in all 3 phases to beat any team. And it allows them to be versatile with their game plans; they can play smash-mouth or 5-wide.

CHI, on the other hand is just dominant on defense/sp teams. Their offense is shaky at best and Grossman is like the NFC version of Plummer.

 

And again, the injuries are piling up for NE. At this point, I don't blame it on bad luck... it's happening to them every year... I blame it on aging players and on players (i.e. db's) who simply can't stay healthy.

I posted at the beginning of the year that NE's success will be dependant on how healthy their vets can be.

Seymour, Bruschi, Vrabel, and Harrison are like on-field coaches. Sure, they're excellent football players, but they help guide the whole defense... each area, d-line, lb's, secondary, has that one veteran who guides and stabilizes the younger talent. Without those vets, NE can not run exotic schemes; the younger players get lost (Wilfork, Warren, Samuel, Hobbs, Wilson), and NE loses football games in shootouts (subsequently, Brady becomes a fantasy darling again because he's throwing all the time.)

So far, Harrison is out (again), Seymour is playing hurt, Vrabel (with Seau injured) is forced to move back to MLB where he isn't as effective. When Bruschi went down for a few moments on Sunday, I threw up a little bit in my mouf.

[Boston 0]

I agree Walter.

it's a shame that Sweetness is giving Bears fans such a bad name.

Personally, I love the Bears and understand that every team has to have their share of homer-dopes.

 

IMO, NE is a better balanced team. Though neither the NE offense, defense, or special teams can be labeled "dominant", they can do enough in all 3 phases to beat any team. And it allows them to be versatile with their game plans; they can play smash-mouth or 5-wide.

CHI, on the other hand is just dominant on defense/sp teams. Their offense is shaky at best and Grossman is like the NFC version of Plummer.

 

And again, the injuries are piling up for NE. At this point, I don't blame it on bad luck... it's happening to them every year... I blame it on aging players and on players (i.e. db's) who simply can't stay healthy.

I posted at the beginning of the year that NE's success will be dependant on how healthy their vets can be.

Seymour, Bruschi, Vrabel, and Harrison are like on-field coaches. Sure, they're excellent football players, but they help guide the whole defense... each area, d-line, lb's, secondary, has that one veteran who guides and stabilizes the younger talent. Without those vets, NE can not run exotic schemes; the younger players get lost (Wilfork, Warren, Samuel, Hobbs, Wilson), and NE loses football games in shootouts (subsequently, Brady becomes a fantasy darling again because he's throwing all the time.)

So far, Harrison is out (again), Seymour is playing hurt, Vrabel (with Seau injured) is forced to move back to MLB where he isn't as effective. When Bruschi went down for a few moments on Sunday, I threw up a little bit in my mouf.

 

I agree with this. One other area I think the Pats had over the Bears was coaching. The fact that the Bears were allowing Grossman to be such a factor in a game like that wasn't wise. The Bear staff was putting him in a position to make costly mistakes when the tightness of the game meant they didn't have to. If they do this in the playoffs (i.e. don't play to their obvious strengths) they could get upset.

 

As far as the Pats go here's my two cents. They can lose in the first round or go the distance. They are really tough to peg right now. They're one of the better teams in the NFL but they have some legit areas for the opposition (i.e. teams like Indy and San Diego) to attack. What bothers me about this team is the holes they have could have been addressed in the offseason. The good news is these holes can easily be addressed this offseason. Here's what I see as their issues:

 

1) Lack of playmakers. On offense there are not enough guys who can make something out of nothing. Too often the whole load goes on Brady's shoulders. They need a wideout who can turn a quick five yard slant into a long TD or someone who can bail Brady out if he's having an off game (and I felt this way when they had Branch as well). Jax looks like he may have that potential but who really knows what is going on there. Defensively they are stout but they need a big time pass rusher and more depth in the back eight. If they had one badass passrusher it would make the rest of their solid passrushers like Vrabel and Colvin that much more effective. As far as the secondary goes I hope they use both #1's on that area. Overall defensively where they miss Law and Willie is in the playmaking department...those guys made some big ones. They can go the distance with their D but the O will have to pull their weight unless the playmaking (Samuel helped on Sunday) factor goes up.

 

2) Offensive playcalling. Some games it's good and others it's shaky. No need to go too far into this because anyone who watches them regularly has seen the very good and very bad this season because both have been on display.

 

I'm very interested to see how the away game with Miami goes. Miami's playing well and they will be fired up in a big way to host the Pats. I think that's a game where we'll get a good idea of what the Pats will look like come playoff time.

 

TD-By the way...Sanders has actually played well the last two games. I was very down on him until recently.

[parrot 789]

Personally, I love the Bears

BLASPHEMY!

 

Some people have forgotten 46-10 I see.

[Sweetness_34 0]

god, you're easy.

 

yeah, if the bears had scored more points than the pats, they would have won. brilliant.

 

add these to your "if-only-one-of-these-things-happened-the-bears-would-have-won" post:

 

--grossman's alarm fails to go off and his misses the team plane to new england

--grossman eats bad clam chowder before the game and spends it on the shitter in the lockerroom

 

most sane and secure bear fans in this thread can admit grossman sucked and move on. the fact you can't is hilarious. and getting more so by the post.

 

free tip.

 

 

God, you are dumb

 

I was responding to the person who wrote that the game was a blowout. It was not. And I cited why. Read the posts again, dumbazz. YOu may return to not talking about football now

[Walter34 3]

I agree with this. One other area I think the Pats had over the Bears was coaching. The fact that the Bears were allowing Grossman to be such a factor in a game like that wasn't wise. The Bear staff was putting him in a position to make costly mistakes when the tightness of the game meant they didn't have to. If they do this in the playoffs (i.e. don't play to their obvious strengths) they could get upset.

 

As far as the Pats go here's my two cents. They can lose in the first round or go the distance. They are really tough to peg right now. They're one of the better teams in the NFL but they have some legit areas for the opposition (i.e. teams like Indy and San Diego) to attack. What bothers me about this team is the holes they have could have been addressed in the offseason. The good news is these holes can easily be addressed this offseason. Here's what I see as their issues:

 

1) Lack of playmakers. On offense there are not enough guys who can make something out of nothing. Too often the whole load goes on Brady's shoulders. They need a wideout who can turn a quick five yard slant into a long TD or someone who can bail Brady out if he's having an off game (and I felt this way when they had Branch as well). Jax looks like he may have that potential but who really knows what is going on there. Defensively they are stout but they need a big time pass rusher and more depth in the back eight. If they had one badass passrusher it would make the rest of their solid passrushers like Vrabel and Colvin that much more effective. As far as the secondary goes I hope they use both #1's on that area. Overall defensively where they miss Law and Willie is in the playmaking department...those guys made some big ones. They can go the distance with their D but the O will have to pull their weight unless the playmaking (Samuel helped on Sunday) factor goes up.

 

2) Offensive playcalling. Some games it's good and others it's shaky. No need to go too far into this because anyone who watches them regularly has seen the very good and very bad this season because both have been on display.

 

I'm very interested to see how the away game with Miami goes. Miami's playing well and they will be fired up in a big way to host the Pats. I think that's a game where we'll get a good idea of what the Pats will look like come playoff time.

 

TD-By the way...Sanders has actually played well the last two games. I was very down on him until recently.

 

I agree - there have been some real head scratchers from the coaching staff. last years playoff game and also the reliance on the deep ball when you have a strong D, special teams and run game. The pass should be used after the run is established for Chi. They often work from a short field due to the D and hester, so just grind it out instead of going for it.

 

That said, despite the mistakes, Grossman does add to the attack and can stretch the field moreso than any Bears qb since I've watched them (late 70s). He and the coaches need to address the mechanics and the judgement calls before the post season.

[Sweetness_34 0]

There is nothing wrong with the deep ball Walter. The Pats secondary is their weak link and it is good to see coaches take advantage of that. And the pats are known for mugging WRs because, again, they cannot really cover WRs well. Hell, on one play when Troy Brown forced an incmpletion on Muhsin Muhammad (not even a deep pass), one of his hands was all over Moose before he knocked the ball off with the other hand. That has always been called a PI but was not this time. Also the 2 Berrian throws early in the 1st half were blatant PI calls too. The calls were correct, the refs decided to snooze instead of calling it as it was happening. Those deep balls helped establish the run and made it easy to run in the 2nd half, which the Bears did.

[parrot 789]

There is nothing wrong with the deep ball Walter. The Pats secondary is their weak link and it is good to see coaches take advantage of that.

Yeah, that worked out pretty good for 'em.

 

I don't come over here much, are you always this big a whiner? Your team lost, get the fock over it.

[swamp dog 0]

God, you are dumb

 

I was responding to the person who wrote that the game was a blowout. It was not. And I cited why. Read the posts again, dumbazz. YOu may return to not talking about football now

 

the poster in question never said it was a blowout. he said the pats were in a position to make it that way. they didn't. guess that makes you dumbER.

 

There is nothing wrong with the deep ball Walter. The Pats secondary is their weak link and it is good to see coaches take advantage of that. And the pats are known for mugging WRs because, again, they cannot really cover WRs well. Hell, on one play when Troy Brown forced an incmpletion on Muhsin Muhammad (not even a deep pass), one of his hands was all over Moose before he knocked the ball off with the other hand. That has always been called a PI but was not this time. Also the 2 Berrian throws early in the 1st half were blatant PI calls too. The calls were correct, the refs decided to snooze instead of calling it as it was happening. Those deep balls helped establish the run and made it easy to run in the 2nd half, which the Bears did.

 

again, you are the only bear fan on planet earth who thinks the game plan of letting grossman be a gunslinger sunday was a great, genius plan.

 

the hilarity continues.

 

:popcorn:

 

 

 

Yeah, that worked out pretty good for 'em.

 

I don't come over here much, are you always this big a whiner? Your team lost, get the fock over it.

 

actually, this is pretty tame for him vis-a-vis immature homerism. you should check out the lion threads he starts

[football_scooter 0]

blah blah blah

 

way to ignore my detailed, well researched and thoughtful post, providing you with stats and details of why you were wrong.

 

of course it went totally ignored.

 

now that you've responded several times since, I thought it was worth mentioning. When you make an outrageous claim and get called on it, a response is generally warranted. Or do you still want to talk about Grossman's winning %?

 

[TD Ryan2 316]

the poster in question never said it was a blowout. he said the pats were in a position to make it that way. they didn't. guess that makes you dumbER.

 

thank you.

 

Sweetness just ain't smart.

 

out of NE's 5 turnovers, 4 of them were committed deep within CHI territory; had NE not coughed up the ball, they easily score a FG and possibly a TD.

Here are the 4 turnovers I'm talking about:

 

- pass to Ben Watson, intercepted by Tillman on the CHI 1 yard line

 

- Maroney fumble, recovered by Briggs on the CHI 11 yard line

 

- Watson/Caldwell fumble, recovered by Manning on CHI 13

 

- Dillon fumble, recovered by Manning on CHI 22

 

 

That's minimum 12 points and maximum 28 points left on the field... either way, it's a lot of points in this game.

For my part, I'll give 'em 16 points (as NE would have had 3 easy FGs and a plunge in TD from the 1).

 

So, yes Sweetness. Had NE been a bit more careful with the football, this game could have been a blowout.

NE was indeed on the verge of BLOWING OUT the vaunted NFC juggernaut CHI Bears.

[Sweetness_34 0]

thank you.

 

Sweetness just ain't smart.

 

out of NE's 5 turnovers, 4 of them were committed deep within CHI territory; had NE not coughed up the ball, they easily score a FG and possibly a TD.

Here are the 4 turnovers I'm talking about:

 

- pass to Ben Watson, intercepted by Tillman on the CHI 1 yard line

 

- Maroney fumble, recovered by Briggs on the CHI 11 yard line

 

- Watson/Caldwell fumble, recovered by Manning on CHI 13

 

- Dillon fumble, recovered by Manning on CHI 22

That's minimum 12 points and maximum 28 points left on the field... either way, it's a lot of points in this game.

For my part, I'll give 'em 16 points (as NE would have had 3 easy FGs and a plunge in TD from the 1).

 

So, yes Sweetness. Had NE been a bit more careful with the football, this game could have been a blowout.

NE was indeed on the verge of BLOWING OUT the vaunted NFC juggernaut CHI Bears.

 

So you conveniently ignore the turnovers the Bears made in NE territory???? You know the Grossman fumble? The FG miss due to an offside penalty? The last int that was actually made in NE territory?

 

 

Oh, and out of those 3 turnovers above, 1 was made by the Bears due to their own mistake (Grossman/Kreutz fumble). The Pats can be credited with blocking the FG and making a very good play on the final int. OTOH, all of NE's turnovers were a direct result of the Bears D being physical and good enough to strip the ball out. Teams do not just turn the ball over most of the time....it happens because the other team forces it.

 

Facts are no team was going to blow any other team out if both teams had held onto the ball better or not thrown silly picks. Your blowout theory is just that....a theory with no facts behind it.

 

the poster in question never said it was a blowout. he said the pats were in a position to make it that way. they didn't. guess that makes you dumbER.

again, you are the only bear fan on planet earth who thinks the game plan of letting grossman be a gunslinger sunday was a great, genius plan.

 

the hilarity continues.

 

:popcorn:

actually, this is pretty tame for him vis-a-vis immature homerism. you should check out the lion threads he starts

 

swamp poosay talking about someone else being a homer?

 

Comedy at it's finest. This coming from the same moron who made delusional posts like :

 

- Matt Millen is a draft guru

 

- Fat Mike Williams was a great draft pick

 

- Joey Suckington is the best QB in the division

 

- Rod Pudinelli can actually coach

 

- Lydowns are a real nfl franchise

 

I can go on and on.....

 

To coin a phrase, "negro, please".

 

Rex Grossman has been an enigma this year, and I remain unconvinced that he is the best option to start for that team. The Bears would be an UBER team this year if they had better play from the QB position. He's wildly inconsistent, and makes terrible decisions at seemingly the worst time of the game.

 

Remember - this Bears team very nearly got spanked by AZ earlier this year, a team that lost 9 straight games.

 

Were I a Bears fan, I'd be wondering to myself if this is a team that can get past a Dallas in the post season. And even IF they manage to win the NFC, will Grossman be able to top an Indy, NE or Baltimore team in the big game? I think he's the weak link on that team and that they won't win anything as a result.

 

One man's opinion.

 

Scooter - every young qb struggles through what you posted above. So not sure what you are trying to say? Should the Steelers give up on Big Ben after his struggles this year? Griese has already shown what he is capable of at other places. His upside is limited. Now, can the Bears win the SB with Griese leading them down the way? Who knows, but I prefer Grossman starting so that he gets the experience of playing in big games. That is the only way people learn. Just because Peyton Manning has lost a big game every single does not mean the Colts should look for a FA qb next year to help then win the SB (provided they do not win this year itself). Hell, Favre did it all the time in his initial years and even now he does it (see last night's Seattle game where they got a turnover in Sea territory and Favre threw a pick while trying to throw a TD to Bubba Franks in the endzone). If you think Grossman is a weak link, that's your opinion. But to say he makes terrible decisions at seemingly the worst time of the game is a bit too much rhetorical. Because I remember him scoring a game winning TD against Minny in Minny in the last 4 mins of a game too. Selective data can lead to any conclusion.

 

Yeah, that worked out pretty good for 'em.

 

I don't come over here much, are you always this big a whiner? Your team lost, get the fock over it.

 

Nobody is whining. Far from it. Like I said before, this game meant nothing for the Bears and most Bear fans (including me). They are 9-2, and most likely to have HFA throughout the playoffs with the way the NFC is shaping up. So, to play the 3rd road game in a row in a hostile environment against a great coach and great QB and to have a shot to win the game shows they can compete with anyone. Maybe you should get over the fact that your pats are really not that good and will get beaten like a drum in the playoffs. San Diego, KC, Denver, Indy and Baltimore would all kill the Pats. Hell the Bengals if given a chance to play them again will kill them now that the Bengals O is clicking and the Pats secondary can only mug WRs since they have no coverage skills whatsoever.

 

BLASPHEMY!

 

Some people have forgotten 46-10 I see.

 

Ok that explains why you are a Bear hater. 46-10.... SUPERBOWL SHUFFLE.....

[swamp dog 0]

So you conveniently ignore the turnovers the Bears made in NE territory???? You know the Grossman fumble? The FG miss due to an offside penalty? The last int that was actually made in NE territory?

 

 

Oh, and out of those 3 turnovers above, 1 was made by the Bears due to their own mistake (Grossman/Kreutz fumble). The Pats can be credited with blocking the FG and making a very good play on the final int. OTOH, all of NE's turnovers were a direct result of the Bears D being physical and good enough to strip the ball out. Teams do not just turn the ball over most of the time....it happens because the other team forces it.

 

Facts are no team was going to blow any other team out if both teams had held onto the ball better or not thrown silly picks. Your blowout theory is just that....a theory with no facts behind it.

swamp poosay talking about someone else being a homer?

 

Comedy at it's finest. This coming from the same moron who made delusional posts like :

 

- Matt Millen is a draft guru

 

- Fat Mike Williams was a great draft pick

 

- Joey Suckington is the best QB in the division

 

- Rod Pudinelli can actually coach

 

- Lydowns are a real nfl franchise

 

I can go on and on.....

Scooter - every young qb struggles through what you posted above. So not sure what you are trying to say? Should the Steelers give up on Big Ben after his struggles this year? Griese has already shown what he is capable of at other places. His upside is limited. Now, can the Bears win the SB with Griese leading them down the way? Who knows, but I prefer Grossman starting so that he gets the experience of playing in big games. That is the only way people learn. Just because Peyton Manning has lost a big game every single does not mean the Colts should look for a FA qb next year to help then win the SB (provided they do not win this year itself). Hell, Favre did it all the time in his initial years and even now he does it (see last night's Seattle game where they got a turnover in Sea territory and Favre threw a pick while trying to throw a TD to Bubba Franks in the endzone). If you think Grossman is a weak link, that's your opinion. But to say he makes terrible decisions at seemingly the worst time of the game is a bit too much rhetorical. Because I remember him scoring a game winning TD against Minny in Minny in the last 4 mins of a game too. Selective data can lead to any conclusion.

Nobody is whining. Far from it. Like I said before, this game meant nothing for the Bears and most Bear fans (including me). They are 9-2, and most likely to have HFA throughout the playoffs with the way the NFC is shaping up. So, to play the 3rd road game in a row in a hostile environment against a great coach and great QB and to have a shot to win the game shows they can compete with anyone. Maybe you should get over the fact that your pats are really not that good and will get beaten like a drum in the playoffs. San Diego, KC, Denver, Indy and Baltimore would all kill the Pats. Hell the Bengals if given a chance to play them again will kill them now that the Bengals O is clicking and the Pats secondary can only mug WRs since they have no coverage skills whatsoever.

 

yeah, and grossman threw for 250 sunday. you constantly make things up and you somehow think that goes unnoticed by everyone on this board. you're silliness has been exposed in this thread. stay down on the mat for the 10-count and call it good.

 

 

 

thank you.

 

Sweetness just ain't smart.

 

 

like a said before: the sad thing is that his behavior in this thread is about as lucid as it gets for him. do a search. he's far worse most of the time.

[edjr 6,593]

 

Ok that explains why you are a Bear hater. 46-10.... SUPERBOWL SHUFFLE.....

 

How sad you have to hang on to something that happend 20 years ago.

[Sweetness_34 0]

How sad you have to hang on to something that happend 20 years ago.

 

I never brought it up.....the patsie fan (parrot) did. How sad for a pats fan to be bitter about a behind-the-woodshed-######-slapping in a SB for 20+ years???? I agree

 

BLASPHEMY!

 

Some people have forgotten 46-10 I see.

 

Why are you still bitter/whining about that SB loss? Your team lost....get the fock over it (your words)

 

TOUCHE

[TD Ryan2 316]

So you conveniently ignore the turnovers the Bears made in NE territory???? You know the Grossman fumble? The FG miss due to an offside penalty? The last int that was actually made in NE territory?

 

yes, Grossman fumbled on the NE 8

and Gould missed a 45 yard FG.

so the Bears got to the NE 8 and the NE 22.

that's 2 trips into scoring territory.

 

What part of NE had 4 BLOWN OPPORTUNITUES are you not understanding.

again, because you are a bit dense, I'll repeat for you:

turnovers on the CHI 1, CHI 11, CHI 13, and CHI 22.

 

 

you do understand that having the ball on your opponent's 1, 11, 13, and 22 is better than only getting to the 8 and 22? Please tell me that you understand that?

 

and you're claiming that Grossman's last int (heaved from his own 22) is "in NE Territory"?

Heaving and hoping for another bogus PI call isn't much of an offensive plan.

 

 

NE's offense was more effective against the Bears Defense

than

CHI's offense was against NE's defense.

 

pretend all you want that this game wasn't on the verge of blowout. If NE doesn't shoot themselves in the foot (and yes, credit to CHI for their aggressive play), this game is a BLOWOUT.

 

CHI was LUCKY to lose by such a slim margin.

[football_scooter 0]

Once again: negro, please. You sound just as bad as the Vick apologists when you talk about winning %. With a defense like the Bears have are you really going to attribute the majority of Bears wins to Rex Grossman?

Like this game:

14/37 for 144 yds and 0 TDs with 4 Ints - a game the Bears won 24-23 - the winner against AZ that was gift wrapped for them. (if you wanna crown 'em, then crown 'em!)

 

Against the Jets he was 11/22 for 119 with 1 TD in the win. I wouldn't put that one on Rex either.

 

and against MIA, in a game they lost I might add, he was 18/42 for 210 with 1 TD to 3 Ints.

 

For the season, Grossman is 192/346 (55%) with 18 TDs and 14 Ints. That's a QB rating of 77.6

 

Brady is 221/367 (60.2%) with 20 TDs to 11 Ints, a QB rating of 87.1

 

Yeah - Rex sure is better than Brady there.

 

Probably not the best idea to point to one irrelevant statistic and rest your case on it that Grossman isn't very iffy. Especially not W-L %, because he's had several total stinkers that the team won and he has a TD:Int of nearly 1:1.

 

That is essentially the EXACT argument that Skinny Bastard has been making for Vick for 3 years now.

Now to your credit, you're more realistic and you seem to accept his flaws.

 

But my point wasn't that Grossman sucks or doesn't suck or whether he has a future or not. My point was that were I a bears fan, I would be extremely uncomfortable with Grossman leading my team into the big game, because he's not shown much in games against decent defenses. MIA and AZ were the best he's faced before the Pats. The results aren't pretty. 354 yds, 1 TD and 7 Ints in those 2 combined. Add in Minny, who's been soft against the pass and you've got another 278 yds and 2 more picks with just one more TD. Ok, now we're at 2 TDs to 9 Ints in those 3 games. Now add NE and you're looking at 2 TDs to 12 Ints. He had a good game against Seattle, 2 TDs, 0 Ints....but otherwise I don't see another team on thier schedule who's defense was worth spit. Not DET, not GB, BUF, SF (at the time), a depleted NYG, NYJ? None of those teams even vaguely resemble the Cowboys, and I don't think the Bears offense could survive a shootout against the Saints. Then if they do advance, I have a hard time seeing Grossman mustering a good game against the Ravens or Pats.

 

And in the playoffs there will be no Cardinals to throw 4 Ints against and still be able to win the game. In the Superbowl there will be no Jets where you can throw 110 yds with 1 TD and hope to win - there will be teams with excellent defenses and top rated offenses who can put 3 or 4 scores on the board, even against the vaunted Bears defense. Like any great defense, the Bears could be handicapped by Grossman's mistakes. Instead of engineering sustained drives that allow the defense to rest, one pick and they're right back out there. How effective will Urlacher & Co be if they're forced to be on the field for much of the 1st half because Rex threw a pick or fumbled away a ball because he lacks the fundamentals to make his reads or (gasp!) know how to handle a snap? Again - no statement about his future. I think he has potential to be an excellent QB, and you're 100% on target...he's like a rookie considering all the time he'd missed early on. But there seems to be about a 50-50 chance that Grossman will cost your team a win once they start playing games that matter against teams that can harass him in the post season.

 

And 50-50 would make me really nervous were I a bears fan.

 

Just one man's opinion. I agree that Grossman is young and I do cut him some slack when evaluating him...but in this topic I'm evaluating the Bears chances at winning the SB, and I think it's going to be an uphill battle mainly because of Grossman at QB. Not saying anyone on the team is better, but I'm just saying.

 

Sweatness, this is the post I was talking about. The one refuting your assertion that Grossman was better than Brady or PManning because the bears had a higher winning %. Please read and respond - I'm interested in your thoughts on this.

[Sweetness_34 0]

yes, Grossman fumbled on the NE 8

and Gould missed a 45 yard FG.

so the Bears got to the NE 8 and the NE 22.

that's 2 trips into scoring territory.

 

What part of NE had 4 BLOWN OPPORTUNITUES are you not understanding.

again, because you are a bit dense, I'll repeat for you:

turnovers on the CHI 1, CHI 11, CHI 13, and CHI 22.

you do understand that having the ball on your opponent's 1, 11, 13, and 22 is better than only getting to the 8 and 22? Please tell me that you understand that?

 

and you're claiming that Grossman's last int (heaved from his own 22) is "in NE Territory"?

Heaving and hoping for another bogus PI call isn't much of an offensive plan.

NE's offense was more effective against the Bears Defense

than

CHI's offense was against NE's defense.

 

pretend all you want that this game wasn't on the verge of blowout. If NE doesn't shoot themselves in the foot (and yes, credit to CHI for their aggressive play), this game is a BLOWOUT.

 

CHI was LUCKY to lose by such a slim margin.

 

Your facts about where the turnovers occurred are correct and I have not/never disputed that. My facts about where the Bears turned the ball over are all correct too. Forcing fumbles and/or ints is not being LUCKY.

 

If that was the case, then all the turnovers the Pats got were also because of luck in your opinion? Turnovers happen 99% of the time because the defense is skilled and forces it with physicality or speed or intimidation or just pure cognitive skills like play recognition. For eg: I think Samuel made some grea plays to force ints (the 1st one where he jumped the play and caught an int and the last one too where he made a great play while running). HOWEVER, the Bears turned that bell over with a fumble that was purely the Bears fault. Pats had nothing to do with that turnover except having a player at the right place at the right time (which is skill too in some sense but mostly luck)

 

Hence to say the game was close to being a blowout is pure delusion from a homer. You can continue to believe that if you want, but if I were a Pats fan, I would be worried because I just do not see them having any shot in the playoffs (already lost to Denver and Indy and almost lost to the Bears, all 3 games at home btw). Your lack of skill at WR position will come back to bite you IMHO.

[TD Ryan2 316]

Your facts about where the turnovers occurred are correct and I have not/never disputed that.

 

thank you.

 

so indeed, it is easy to see that NE's carelessness left between 12 and 28 points on the field (missed opportunities from the 1, 11, 13, and 22)

and

CHI's carelessness left between 6 and 10 points on the field (missed opportunities from the 8 and 22)

 

 

 

so, to remain unbiased, we'll split the differences (14pts and 5pts respectively)

NE: 17 (+14) = 31

CHI 13 (+5) = 18

 

BLOWOUT!

[Nomad99 744]

Nobody is whining. Far from it. Like I said before, this game meant nothing for the Bears and most Bear fans (including me). They are 9-2, and most likely to have HFA throughout the playoffs with the way the NFC is shaping up. So, to play the 3rd road game in a row in a hostile environment against a great coach and great QB and to have a shot to win the game shows they can compete with anyone. Maybe you should get over the fact that your pats are really not that good and will get beaten like a drum in the playoffs. San Diego, KC, Denver, Indy and Baltimore would all kill the Pats. Hell the Bengals if given a chance to play them again will kill them now that the Bengals O is clicking and the Pats secondary can only mug WRs since they have no coverage skills whatsoever.

 

 

You sir have just proven yourself a to tal A$$HAT!!!!!

 

Let me clue you in on the meaning of this game for the Bears and most Bear fans (excluding you) I'll answer based upon your premiss:

"Maybe you should get over the fact that your pats are really not that good and will get beaten like a drum in the playoffs. San Diego, KC, Denver, Indy and Baltimore would all kill the Pats. Hell the Bengals if given a chance to play them again will kill them now that the Bengals O is clicking and the Pats secondary can only mug WRs since they have no coverage skills whatsoever."

 

As a Chi Bear player, coach or owner......This game ALARMS ME!!!! Chi could not beat a team as poor as you state the Pat's are Your QB is prone to mistakes when pressured & your running game looses it's efectiveness when Rex is ineffective.

 

As a Bears fan I would be alarmed that yet again pressure on grossman means mistakes that can & have meant a loss & portends of things to come( you see....other teams watch that game film & use what they see to contain QB's like Rex)

 

Now as to the state of the Pat's & your presumptions on San Diego, KC, Denver, Indy and Baltimore.

Anyone can loose to anyone at any time......However the Pat's DESTROYED one the the best Ofensive teams in their own house......They also Beat what has been, arguably, one of the best teams this year....DA BEARS!!! You can make all the assumptions you want as to who might beat who & how important the game was......but I hardly think that most Bears fans & the Bears organization are taking the same track.........This loss is something to be GREATLY worried about regardless of the close score or the # of road games in a row that they played. The only thing that I hope the Bears & other teams do that agrees with your thought process is to continue to underestimate the New England Patriots......we are used to it, we feed off it, we win Super Bowls DESPITE IT!

[Sweetness_34 0]

Sweatness, this is the post I was talking about. The one refuting your assertion that Grossman was better than Brady or PManning because the bears had a higher winning %. Please read and respond - I'm interested in your thoughts on this.

 

Scooter - I NEVER stated that Grossman was better than Brady or PManning in general. Come on, now you seem to be simply stirring the pot. I simply pointed out a less known fact about Grossman's win %, Of course that does not mean he is the one responsible for the wins. Orton probably has a larger win% than even Grossman (not sure, but just thinking on top of my head here) but that does not mean I want Orton starting ahead of Grossman.

 

My position is very simple regarding Grossman. He is young, he will make mistakes BUT his upside is far far more than Griese or any other Qb on our roster (Orton). I have seen enough good things from him (ability to stretch field which opens up running game in addition big plays) tobe comfortable with him as a starting QB for the Bears in the playoffs. Hence I do not want to see him benched, and thankfully Lovie is smart enough to recognize that.

 

What specifically you want my thoughts on, let me know Scooter?

 

thank you.

 

so indeed, it is easy to see that NE's carelessness left between 12 and 28 points on the field (missed opportunities from the 1, 11, 13, and 22)

and

CHI's carelessness left between 6 and 10 points on the field (missed opportunities from the 8 and 22)

so, to remain unbiased, we'll split the differences (14pts and 5pts respectively)

NE: 17 (+14) = 31

CHI 13 (+5) = 18

 

BLOWOUT!

 

So now should we even account for the 2 bombs where there was clear PI that was not called on the Pats? Assuming those would have between 6 to 14 points min and max, what does it lead to now? See, two can play this game.

 

Your QB is prone to mistakes when pressured & your running game looses it's efectiveness when Rex is ineffective.

 

 

Ahem. 150+ yards rushing despite Qb being mistake prone.

 

You sir have just proven yourself a to tal A$$HAT!!!!!

 

 

 

As a Chi Bear player, coach or owner......This game ALARMS ME!!!! Chi could not beat a team as poor as you state the Pat's are

 

Hey stupid: go back and read all my posts in this thread.....seriously go read everyone of them and then come back frothing at your mouth. I already said in one of my posts that this was a great game between 2 of the top 5 teams in the NFL. I called the Pats a top 5 team. However, I still think they will get beaten in the playoffs because despite being a better team, other teams like Ravens, KC, SD, Indy etc will all score on the Pats and the Pats will not be able to score as much on these guys. Just my opinion.

 

You sir have just proven yourself a to tal A$$HAT!!!!!

[TD Ryan2 316]

So now should we even account for the 2 bombs where there was clear PI that was not called on the Pats? Assuming those would have between 6 to 14 points min and max, what does it lead to now? See, two can play this game.

 

I wasn't even looking to get into the ref's here.

But really, you're better off not bringing the refs up if you want to make a case for CHI.

 

CHI's biggest plays were a result of questionable referee calls (45 and 30 yard phanotm PIs)

and perhaps the worst call of the game was the non-call on the face shielding against the Pats on a deep pass.

 

don't bring the refs into it. it only makes it worse for the Bears.

 

 

and really, at the end of the day, you are what you are.

Pats 17

Bears 13

 

you are a loser.

[Sweetness_34 0]

I wasn't even looking to get into the ref's here.

But really, you're better off not bringing the refs up if you want to make a case for CHI.

 

CHI's biggest plays were a result of questionable referee calls (45 and 30 yard phanotm PIs)

and perhaps the worst call of the game was the non-call on the face shielding.

 

don't bring the refs into it. it only makes it worse for the Bears.

 

Not really. The refs screwed the Bears throughout the 1st half. The 2nd half calls were all correct (there was nothing questionable about it). Everyone knows the only way the Pats know how to defend Wrs is by intefering with them.

[Nomad99 744]

Scooter - I NEVER stated that Grossman was better than Brady or PManning in general. Come on, now you seem to be simply stirring the pot. I simply pointed out a less known fact about Grossman's win %, Of course that does not mean he is the one responsible for the wins. Orton probably has a larger win% than even Grossman (not sure, but just thinking on top of my head here) but that does not mean I want Orton starting ahead of Grossman.

 

My position is very simple regarding Grossman. He is young, he will make mistakes BUT his upside is far far more than Griese or any other Qb on our roster (Orton). I have seen enough good things from him (ability to stretch field which opens up running game in addition big plays) tobe comfortable with him as a starting QB for the Bears in the playoffs. Hence I do not want to see him benched, and thankfully Lovie is smart enough to recognize that.

 

What specifically you want my thoughts on, let me know Scooter?

So now should we even account for the 2 bombs where there was clear PI that was not called on the Pats? Assuming those would have between 6 to 14 points min and max, what does it lead to now? See, two can play this game.

Ahem. 150+ yards rushing despite Qb being mistake prone.

 

You sir have just proven yourself a to tal A$$HAT!!!!!

Hey stupid: go back and read all my posts in this thread.....seriously go read everyone of them and then come back frothing at your mouth. I already said in one of my posts that this was a great game between 2 of the top 5 teams in the NFL. I called the Pats a top 5 team. However, I still think they will get beaten in the playoffs because despite being a better team, other teams like Ravens, KC, SD, Indy etc will all score on the Pats and the Pats will not be able to score as much on these guys. Just my opinion.

 

You sir have just proven yourself a to tal A$$HAT!!!!!

 

It was 151 rushing yards.......with 1 TD

NE had just over 1/2 that yardage with 1 TD.......So really, how efective was the running game

 

You state a great game between 2 of the top teams in the NFL......then you say NE is not that good & then list 5 teams that would woop up on them......does not sound like you feel they are a top 5 team..........Backpeddle all you want, fact remains that you are so full of sh1t your eyes are brown

[Boston 0]

Just want to make sure I'm getting all this:

 

*The Pats will get lit up defensively in the playoffs even though they have let up more than 17 points once this year.

 

*All the calls against the Pats were good ones and the ones against the Bears were bad ones. Hopefully Troy Aikman has time to say he was incorrect and issue an apology about the Hawkins PI call.

 

*Grossman should throw as much as possible.

 

*The Pats aren't the good which means the Bears are not even a playoff level team in the AFC.

 

 

 

This post is really getting to be foolish. These were two real good teams that play physical football and went after each other on Sunday. IMO the Pats were able to win due to three reasons:

 

1) Tom Brady-He's a lot better than Grossman.

2) Bill Belichick-Put his players in a better position to succeed.

3) Homefield advantage-Not much to say about this one.

 

Both teams had their injuries and can gripe about the refs. Both teams were sloppy with the ball although I'm sure the fan of each team thinks the other was lucky and they were careless. Yet, at the end of the day the score is the score and until they meet again it aint gonna change. As for the future...it's very, very, very obvious the Pats have a far more difficult road to the Super Bowl. The AFC is a minefield while the NFC is there for the taken should Chicago play solid ball. It would be a nice rematch but if either team turns it over like this during the playoffs they'll be watching the title game from their living room.

[Walter34 3]

 

Both teams had their injuries and can gripe about the refs. Both teams were sloppy with the ball although I'm sure the fan of each team thinks the other was lucky and they were careless. Yet, at the end of the day the score is the score and until they meet again it aint gonna change. As for the future...it's very, very, very obvious the Pats have a far more difficult road to the Super Bowl. The AFC is a minefield while the NFC is there for the taken should Chicago play solid ball. It would be a nice rematch but if either team turns it over like this during the playoffs they'll be watching the title game from their living room.

 

yup

[football_scooter 0]

IMO the Pats were able to win due to three reasons:

 

1) Tom Brady-He's a lot better than Grossman.

2) Tom Brady-He's a lot better than Grossman..

3) Tom Brady-He's a lot better than Grossman.

Fixed!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(see my post above for my thoughts on Grossman being the weak link that will cost the Bears any chance at glory this year)

[parrot 789]

Why are you still bitter/whining about that SB loss? Your team lost....get the fock over it (your words)

 

TOUCHE

It was a joke, notice the smiley icon numbnuts. Nice work giving yourself a "TOUCHE" though.

 

The fact that you think I'm whining and you are not, clearly indicates you don't understand the meaning of the word. Please tell everyone yet again about the uncalled PIs on the Pats, because you've only non-whined about that about twelve times in this thread.

[Sweetness_34 0]

 

 

1) Tom Brady-He's a lot better than Grossman.

2) Bill Belichick-Put his players in a better position to succeed.

3) Homefield advantage-Not much to say about this one.

 

 

Agreed on all 3.

 

Both teams had their injuries and can gripe about the refs. Both teams were sloppy with the ball although I'm sure the fan of each team thinks the other was lucky and they were careless. Yet, at the end of the day the score is the score and until they meet again it aint gonna change. As for the future...it's very, very, very obvious the Pats have a far more difficult road to the Super Bowl. The AFC is a minefield while the NFC is there for the taken should Chicago play solid ball. It would be a nice rematch but if either team turns it over like this during the playoffs they'll be watching the title game from their living room.

 

Agreed again 100%. Which is why I said despite the fact that I consider the Pats a top 5 team in the NFL, I see them having issues in the playoffs because of the caliber of teams in the AFC. The NFC is weak no doubt compared to the AFC. This game was far far more impt for the Pats to win (to try and get as many home games as possible) than for the Bears. Do you see the Pats having a chance against Baltimore or SD or Indy on the road? I do not. While previous history suggests NE can always elevate it's game in the playoffs, last year that was not true when they got beat by a Jake Plummer led team on the road.

[Boston 0]

By the way...Urlacher is a beast. He hits as hard as any player in the NFL. Not over the middle type of stuff, just normal plays where he lays the lumber in a big way. I was very pleased to see Maroney take those shots and keep coming. Also, Briggs played very well. I'd love to see the Pats take a run at him should he make it to free agency. They could really use a young, impact LB like him.

 

Probably the most overlooked aspect of this game from the Patriotside was the protection they gave Brady. The O line did an excellent job in that area against a tough D. The fact that these guys are all young and signed long term is a very big plus for the Pats future.

[Sweetness_34 0]

It was a joke, notice the smiley icon numbnuts. Nice work giving yourself a "TOUCHE" though.

 

numbnuts

 

You did not use a smiley icon. You used this => . Yes, you used an emoticon, but that is not called a smiley.

 

For eg, if you were really joking, you would have used maybe one of these:

 

Smiley =

 

Smiley =

 

But keep spinning yourself out of this. Nice to know you are still bitter about the 46-10 loss. Honestly if my team got it's azz spanked this badly in a SB, I would be pissed too, and probably for 20 years too.

 

 

Fixed!

(see my post above for my thoughts on Grossman being the weak link that will cost the Bears any chance at glory this year)

 

Wow, with such amazing insight like the one just provided by scooter, I am blessed to be part of this bored. What is next scooter? You telling us Brady is better than any other young qb right now like Leinart or Young?

 

It sure stinks to be a Bears fan and have to rely on Grossman when we could all be niner fans and be excited with alex smith

 

Any other brilliant observations scooter: Like draft Chambers over Darrell Jackson? Or draft Kevan Barlow over Frank Gore? Oh wait...................................

 

I am sure you are winning in all your $$$ leagues with that kind of power of observations (Brady is better than Grossman right now). Right? BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

 

You may return to your "niners will make the playoffs after killing the Rams" thread

 

[Boston 0]

Agreed on all 3.

Agreed again 100%. Which is why I said despite the fact that I consider the Pats a top 5 team in the NFL, I see them having issues in the playoffs because of the caliber of teams in the AFC. The NFC is weak no doubt compared to the AFC. This game was far far more impt for the Pats to win (to try and get as many home games as possible) than for the Bears. Do you see the Pats having a chance against Baltimore or SD or Indy on the road? I do not. While previous history suggests NE can always elevate it's game in the playoffs, last year that was not true when they got beat by a Jake Plummer led team on the road.

 

I'll say what I always say about the Pats. If they play well they will win. When they lose they're usually their worst ememy. They lost to Denver due to foolish turnovers. You can't give the ball away against quality teams in the playoffs. Also, I challenge you to find another example of a team that had that many injuries as they did that went as far as they did. They basically lost three whole units (RB, DBs and O line) and still made some noise.

 

As for this years team I'm very confident against the Ravens. They should be able to shutdown that offense. Jamal Lewis will be a non-factor. The two teams that will be difficult are Indy and San Diego. While they will and should be favored over the Pats I still have a lot of confidence that a BB/Brady team will be a handfull come playoff time. The Pats are not a juggernaut and have some flaws but there is little doubt that there isn't a team they can't beat if they bring their A game.

[Sweetness_34 0]

Probably the most overlooked aspect of this game from the Patriotside was the protection they gave Brady. The O line did an excellent job in that area against a tough D. The fact that these guys are all young and signed long term is a very big plus for the Pats future.

 

I mentioned it one or more of my posts somewhere in this thread. I think the Pats do a remarkable job of protecting Brady (have been doing it for a while now).

 

 

When they lose they're usually their worst ememy. They lost to Denver due to foolish turnovers. You can't give the ball away against quality teams in the playoffs. Also, I challenge you to find another example of a team that had that many injuries as they did that went as far as they did. They basically lost three whole units (RB, DBs and O line) and still made some noise.

 

As for this years team I'm very confident against the Ravens. They should be able to shutdown that offense. Jamal Lewis will be a non-factor. The two teams that will be difficult are Indy and San Diego. While they will and should be favored over the Pats I still have a lot of confidence that a BB/Brady team will be a handfull come playoff time. The Pats are not a juggernaut and have some flaws but there is little doubt that there isn't a team they can't beat if they bring their A game.

 

That applies to almost ALL playoff teams. Every team can win in the playoffs if they protect the ball and do not kill themselves. Which was my argument in this thread to the moron who has delusions of the Pats blowing the Bears out. The Bears made foolish turnovers/mistakes (missed a blocked punt on 1st punt of play; missed FG thanks to movement when it was successful the 1st time; wrong timeout on Pats FG, fumble at 10 yard line) and shot themselves in the foot and hence lost. They do not do that and they win. Oh wait, it should have been a blow out by the pats....

[parrot 789]

numbnuts

 

You did not use a smiley icon. You used this => . Yes, you used an emoticon, but that is not called a smiley.

 

For eg, if you were really joking, you would have used maybe one of these:

 

Smiley =

 

Smiley =

You really are dense. See the post icon numbnuts.

 

 

IIATT ->

[Boston 0]

I mentioned it one or more of my posts somewhere in this thread. I think the Pats do a remarkable job of protecting Brady (have been doing it for a while now).

That applies to almost ALL playoff teams. Every team can win in the playoffs if they protect the ball and do not kill themselves. Which was my argument in this thread to the moron who has delusions of the Pats blowing the Bears out. The Bears made foolish turnovers/mistakes (missed a blocked punt on 1st punt of play; missed FG thanks to movement when it was successful the 1st time; wrong timeout on Pats FG, fumble at 10 yard line) and shot themselves in the foot and hence lost. They do not do that and they win. Oh wait, it should have been a blow out by the pats....

 

I think the issue with this game is both teams committed thoses errors. Therefore it's pretty much canceled out.

 

By no means was this a blowout. The Bears are a very good team. As stated before the major difference between the two is Brady v. Grossman. That's where the Pats have a decided edge and when two heavyweights go toe to toe it's a tough one to overcome.

[football_scooter 0]

It sure stinks to be a Bears fan and have to rely on Grossman when we could all be niner fans and be excited with alex smith

 

 

Alex Smith >>> Rex Grossman

[swamp dog 0]

Alex Smith >>> Rex Grossman

 

seriously, i concur. the bears need a qb who stays within himself like alex.

[football_scooter 0]

seriously, i concur. the bears need a qb who stays within himself like alex.

 

While it is possible that Rex has a stronger arm, he needs a stronger brain to avoid some of the mental gaffs that cost them bigtime in every loss and 2 of their wins.

 

I mean, how many QBs take a snap with their hands 3' apart? That's a recipe for a fumble every time.

 

While Alex Smith hasn't won the Niners that many games, he's also not cost them any with foolish turnovers.

 

Again - I don't knock Grossman, but I think he's making way too many mistakes for the Bears to be considered a favorite. If they reel him in, and have him hand the ball off 30 times a game, I'll start to believe the Bears have a shot at the title. But if he's putting it up 40 times, they will lose.

[Sweetness_34 0]

seriously, i concur. the bears need a qb who stays within himself like alex.

 

That post brought to you by the dumbazz who thought suckington, fat mike williams and chuck rogers had talent

 

Now I am convinced Grossman will be solid for the Bears for many many years, now that swamp poosay has said he is worse than alex-i-am-a-loser-who-was-lucky-to-go-#1

 

Alex Smith is as much a bust as joey suckington, chuck rogers etc

 

No wonder niner and lydown fans find joy in each other's teams

 

OMFG this is hilarious. Thanks for the entertainment, seriously. I will go get my popcorn now

 

While it is possible that Rex has a stronger arm, he needs a stronger brain to avoid some of the mental gaffs that cost them bigtime in every loss and 2 of their wins.

 

I mean, how many QBs take a snap with their hands 3' apart? That's a recipe for a fumble every time.

 

While Alex Smith hasn't won the Niners that many games, he's also not cost them any with foolish turnovers.

 

Again - I don't knock Grossman, but I think he's making way too many mistakes for the Bears to be considered a favorite. If they reel him in, and have him hand the ball off 30 times a game, I'll start to believe the Bears have a shot at the title. But if he's putting it up 40 times, they will lose.

 

Yeah Alex Smith is soooo much better than Brett Favre since Favre makes too many mistakes too.

 

Yeah the Bears should have Kyle Orton start every game from here on out like last year and have him hand the ball all game ... what the hell are thinking?

 

Yeah Grossman had nothing to do with being directly responsible for 8 of the Bears 9 wins (Cards game cannot count. Even in the Minny game, he led the Bears to a game winning TD after he screwed up.)

 

Yeah Alex freaking Smith is the answer. Yup.

 

Thanks for the comedy....anymore such bright suggestions?

 

Oh wait, of course - Draft Chambers over DJax; Kevan Barlow is a stud, Frank Gore is a dud

[swamp dog 0]

While it is possible that Rex has a stronger arm, he needs a stronger brain to avoid some of the mental gaffs that cost them bigtime in every loss and 2 of their wins.

 

I mean, how many QBs take a snap with their hands 3' apart? That's a recipe for a fumble every time.

 

While Alex Smith hasn't won the Niners that many games, he's also not cost them any with foolish turnovers.

 

Again - I don't knock Grossman, but I think he's making way too many mistakes for the Bears to be considered a favorite. If they reel him in, and have him hand the ball off 30 times a game, I'll start to believe the Bears have a shot at the title. But if he's putting it up 40 times, they will lose.

 

grossman for ff, smith for football. troy aikman wasn't ever a top ff qb but he was one of the best football qbs. smith has a better head on his shoulders than grossman at the moment.

 

i see our conversation has irked sweetness, though. it's all personal with him