Da Bears 34 - Da Pats 3

[TD Ryan2 316]

Scooter - did you see Briggs own Watson on some of the plays too?

 

Wow....a 3yd TD....I guess that means the Bears got owned....get real. The Bears stacked up very well against the Pats... if the refs had been fair to the Bears in the 1st half and if the Bears had not committed stupid turnovers like fumble th eball away at the 10 yard line, they would have won)

 

 

 

look, there's no question that this game could have gone either way... but NE was in fact in a position to make this a freakin BLOWOUT.

It wasn't the ref's favoring NE and the Bears' stupid turnovers...

it was the refs favoring CHI and NE's stupid RED ZONE turnovers (X3) that kept CHI in this game.

 

 

there were certainly bad calls all around (the late hit on Dillon was unfair)

but the horrendous PI calls are what put points on the board for CHI.

I remember thinking, "wow, what a great game this is and the refs are gonna' decide it".

 

 

And as far as Watson and his 3 yd TD. Watson was (again) the leading receiver for NE (6catch, 85yds, td), and Graham chipped in with a huge 25 yard catch. All told, the NE TE's tallied 7 catches for 110 yards (and TD). You can tell yourself that your boys Urlacher and Briggs can contain them; that they can cover them; that they did well against them... but the fact is they didn't. NE's TEs are a matchup problem for even the best LBers.

[edjr 6,602]

look, there's no question that this game could have gone either way... but NE was in fact in a position to make this a freakin BLOWOUT.

It wasn't the ref's favoring NE and the Bears' stupid turnovers...

it was the refs favoring CHI and NE's stupid RED ZONE turnovers (X3) that kept CHI in this game.

there were certainly bad calls all around (the late hit on Dillon was unfair)

but the horrendous PI calls are what put points on the board for CHI.

I remember thinking, "wow, what a great game this is and the refs are gonna' decide it".

And as far as Watson and his 3 yd TD. Watson was (again) the leading receiver for NE (6catch, 85yds, td), and Graham chipped in with a huge 25 yard catch. All told, the NE TE's tallied 7 catches for 110 yards (and TD). You can tell yourself that your boys Urlacher and Briggs can contain them; that they can cover them; that they did well against them... but the fact is they didn't. NE's TEs are a matchup problem for even the best LBers.

 

They need to change the pass interference penalty to be like college. 15 yard plenty, it's the most they give for any penalty but pass interference. These 50 yard penalties need to be taken out of the referees hands. We all remember the horrible call in the playoffs last year too.

[redtodd 7]

This game should have been a blow out. The Patriots gave the Bears every opportunity in the world and the Bears still lost.

[Walter34 3]

Its hard to assess with so many turnovers, penaltys and close plays.

 

The Bears drove the ball well in the 1st half. The fumbled on the Pats 10 and the holding penalty negated a good FG which was subsequently blocked on the next try. That is a realistic 10 points lost.

 

The PI call was iffy but the Pats also got away with 2 blatant PI calls in the 1st half as well as the aforementioned "late" hit on Dillon.

 

Watson was a beast, but it wasnt a straight Lb vs Watson matchup. I would say the LBs did well against him and it was the deep balls (vs Safetys) where Watson did well.

 

Urlacher and Briggs were great, but the key offensive play of the game was when Brady juked him out of his jock on that 3rd and 11.

 

With Grossman, I dont know if it was he or Turner that called some of the plays. Going deep so often and into coverage, was not the right moves all the time. They had 1:50 or so on the clock and went for it in one play - dumb.

 

With Grossman, he seemed to throw behind the wrs all day. He wasnt quite "on" with many throws and this lead to INTs or incompletions that should have been catches. All his fault? In retrospect no, but he certainly is one of the key reasons for the L. One technical note - he seems to throw off of his back foot way too often and is not stepping into the throw. The mechanics need work.

 

All that said, the game was won in the trenches and all of the calls and Turnovers did not decide the matchup entirely. The Pats protected Brady very well and the Pats pressured and hit Grossman often. Seymour was the best Dlineman on either side. Ogunleye, Brown and Tommie Harris were all invisible.

 

It was a playoff type game and was incredibly physical. The Bears can compete with any team in the league but need to limit their mistakes. How the coaches and Grossman deal with this will determine their ultimate fate.

 

 

They need to change the pass interference penalty to be like college. 15 yard plenty, it's the most they give for any penalty but pass interference. These 50 yard penalties need to be taken out of the referees hands. We all remember the horrible call in the playoffs last year too.

 

So then its to the DBs advantage to interfere 50 yds downfield. Better to have a 15 yd penalty than a 50 yd rec.

[edjr 6,602]

 

So then its to the DBs advantage to interfere 50 yds downfield. Better to have a 15 yd penalty than a 50 yd rec.

 

It works for college, doesn't it?

 

I don't see DB's tackling WR's on passes.

 

'splain that.

 

Do they also have a flagrent interference call? the NFL could use that.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

It works for college, doesn't it?

 

I don't see DB's tackling WR's on passes.

 

'splain that.

 

Do they also have a flagrent interference call? the NFL could use that.

 

It does not really work in college. Rather than getting beat deep, a DB will just grab a receiver. As far as using a flagrant PI, that just gives one more judgement for the refs and I think that you want to minimize that as much as possible.

 

Those were some bad PI calls. If they had called the face guard on the Bears defender earlier in the game, then I would say that they were being consistent. However, since they did not call it on the Bears, they should have let at least one of those PI calls against the Pats go.

[parrot 789]

The PI call was iffy but the Pats also got away with 2 blatant PI calls in the 1st half as well as the aforementioned "late" hit on Dillon.

Please. The most blatant non-call was the obvious face-guarding by the Chicago defender.

 

As for the late hit, Tillman was throwing cheap shots throughout the game. Karma.

 

 

If they had called the face guard on the Bears defender earlier in the game, then I would say that they were being consistent. However, since they did not call it on the Bears, they should have let at least one of those PI calls against the Pats go.

How would that be "consistent"? Hawkins turned and was trying to make a play on the ball, the Chicago defender didn't even look for the ball. That is supposed to be one of, if not the, determining factor on whether it's PI or not.

[football_scooter 0]

I agree 100% with parrot.

 

That "blatently incorrect PI" call was 100% dead on and obvious as hell. Defender was on him like a wet blanket and NEVER turned to see where the ball was. Flag => penalty => score => correct call => Bears fans =

 

As for the suppossedly bad call on the hit out of bounds, it was a perfect call. It was also one of those that's tough on the defender because he left his feet. But when he hit Dillon, Dillon was 1/2 across the white stripe of the sidelines - they showed it on replay and I watched it several times. At first I thought it was a touchy call that could have gone either way - then I noticed that Dillon already had one foot on the stripe when the defender (Tillman?) left his feet. Ergo, leavinghis feet at all was a mistake for Tillman as the play was over. I know, game speed is different, which is why I don't think it was a cheap shot - but the call was correct. Tillman did what he thought he had to do, but it was a mistake on his part. The play was dead, Dillon got hit out of bounds.

 

And why even whine about it? A turnover by Maroney on the very next play rendered it moot anyway, so I fail to see how that call effected the outcome of the game in the slightest. Bears got the ball back 2 plays later and the Pats didn't benefit from it in the slightest.

 

The calls in the game were fine. Crying about them now just makes Bears fans sound like whiners. Sack up and admit that what cost them the game was

1. the blocked FG - only 1 hand went up, and the ball happened to hit it.

2. turnovers in the red zone. The 3rd down fumble was 100% on Grossman. Who takes a snap with their hands 3' apart?!? He fumbled that ball plain as day & the refs didn't help him do it. It was fundamental football and Grossman blew it and the booth was all over im for it.

3. That sailing, soaring, floating pass at the end of the game - Grossman gave it away. They had 2 minutes. Grossman (under)throws a hail Mary into tight coverage.

 

Those 3 things cost the Bears any chance at a win, and as a result they deserved to lose. That team will not win a championship with him at the helm. WAY too inconsistent.

 

On the bright side, Benson finally looks like an NFL RB, so Bears fans actually have something to look forward to after the 2006 season gets flushed down the playoff commode.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:popcorn:

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

How would that be "consistent"? Hawkins turned and was trying to make a play on the ball, the Chicago defender didn't even look for the ball. That is supposed to be one of, if not the, determining factor on whether it's PI or not.

 

Turning is only one component. Contact is the other. If you turn to look for the ball, but push the receiver, then it is still PI.

 

My point was that if they let the play go when Chicago did not get called, then they should have let it play on those two called against the Pats.

[DrJ 0]

Its hard to assess with so many turnovers, penaltys and close plays.

 

The Bears drove the ball well in the 1st half. The fumbled on the Pats 10 and the holding penalty negated a good FG which was subsequently blocked on the next try. That is a realistic 10 points lost.

 

The PI call was iffy but the Pats also got away with 2 blatant PI calls in the 1st half as well as the aforementioned "late" hit on Dillon.

 

Watson was a beast, but it wasnt a straight Lb vs Watson matchup. I would say the LBs did well against him and it was the deep balls (vs Safetys) where Watson did well.

 

Urlacher and Briggs were great, but the key offensive play of the game was when Brady juked him out of his jock on that 3rd and 11.

 

With Grossman, I dont know if it was he or Turner that called some of the plays. Going deep so often and into coverage, was not the right moves all the time. They had 1:50 or so on the clock and went for it in one play - dumb.

 

With Grossman, he seemed to throw behind the wrs all day. He wasnt quite "on" with many throws and this lead to INTs or incompletions that should have been catches. All his fault? In retrospect no, but he certainly is one of the key reasons for the L. One technical note - he seems to throw off of his back foot way too often and is not stepping into the throw. The mechanics need work.

 

All that said, the game was won in the trenches and all of the calls and Turnovers did not decide the matchup entirely. The Pats protected Brady very well and the Pats pressured and hit Grossman often. Seymour was the best Dlineman on either side. Ogunleye, Brown and Tommie Harris were all invisible.

 

It was a playoff type game and was incredibly physical. The Bears can compete with any team in the league but need to limit their mistakes. How the coaches and Grossman deal with this will determine their ultimate fate.

So then its to the DBs advantage to interfere 50 yds downfield. Better to have a 15 yd penalty than a 50 yd rec.

 

 

Pretty spot on analysis.

 

 

Turning is only one component. Contact is the other. If you turn to look for the ball, but push the receiver, then it is still PI.

 

My point was that if they let the play go when Chicago did not get called, then they should have let it play on those two called against the Pats.

 

I thought the officiating clearly favored the Pats in the 1st half, and clearly favored the Bears in the 2nd. Not only were there some close ones that they let slide in the 1st on the PI side plus the Dillon late hit, but there was also the play where the Pats lineman led with his helmet when taking down Grossman. I've seen Urlacher get flagged for doing the same thing this season, and with how they're protecting QB's it was easily a flaggable call. They let it go.

 

The Bears probably get the advantage because the ones they did end up calling were at more pivotal moments of the game, but overall it wasn't some Bears lovefest by the officials like some people would like to make it out to be. There were plenty of poor calls to go around.

 

I also disagree with the notion that the Patriots turnovers were somehow more detrimental than the Bears. Sure the Pats turned it over in the red zone at the beginning of the game, but only after the Bears turned it over to set them up just short of the red zone. The Bears had their own red zone turnover on top of that, and had a FG blocked. Overall the turnovers and mistakes cost both teams about equally as well.

[football_scooter 0]

plus the Dillon late hit,

 

once again, please explain how this impacted the Bears or effected the outcome of the game in the slightest.

 

as there was a turnover on the very next play, it seems like a moot point.

 

Just wondering why people keep harping on this one - besides the fact that it was an obviously correct call, that it didn't change anything would seem somewhat relevant to those who continue to point to the refs and whine.

 

just saying.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

I thought the officiating clearly favored the Pats in the 1st half, and clearly favored the Bears in the 2nd. Not only were there some close ones that they let slide in the 1st on the PI side plus the Dillon late hit, but there was also the play where the Pats lineman led with his helmet when taking down Grossman. I've seen Urlacher get flagged for doing the same thing this season, and with how they're protecting QB's it was easily a flaggable call. They let it go.

 

The Bears probably get the advantage because the ones they did end up calling were at more pivotal moments of the game, but overall it wasn't some Bears lovefest by the officials like some people would like to make it out to be. There were plenty of poor calls to go around.

 

Are you talking about when Ty Warren hit Grossman in the chest with his shoulder? That was not a penalty no matter how you look at it. I hope that you are talking about another play that I must have missed.

 

The Dillon late-hit call was a bad one that had no bearing on the game. It was a half-the-distance penalty.

 

PI on the Pats were bad ones that gave about 75 yards to the Bears. Those calls got the Bears down the field.

 

The refs did not factor in the outcome of the game, but they could have. Grossman was just chucking it up there and hoping that his guy came up with the ball or they would get a call.

[DrJ 0]

once again, please explain how this impacted the Bears or effected the outcome of the game in the slightest.

 

as there was a turnover on the very next play, it seems like a moot point.

 

Just wondering why people keep harping on this one - besides the fact that it was an obviously correct call, that it didn't change anything would seem somewhat relevant to those who continue to point to the refs and whine.

 

just saying.

 

As I said, the Bears probably get the advantage because the calls they benefitted from happened at more pivotal moments. It still doesn't change the fact that there was bad officiating on both sides, whether the Bears took the ball away on the next play or not. It was pretty clear when I said it the first time, hopefully you understand better this time.

 

Are you talking about when Ty Warren hit Grossman in the chest with his shoulder? That was not a penalty no matter how you look at it. I hope that you are talking about another play that I must have missed.

 

The Dillon late-hit call was a bad one that had no bearing on the game. It was a half-the-distance penalty.

 

PI on the Pats were bad ones that gave about 75 yards to the Bears. Those calls got the Bears down the field.

 

The refs did not factor in the outcome of the game, but they could have. Grossman was just chucking it up there and hoping that his guy came up with the ball or they would get a call.

 

I'll check my Tivo for it tonight, Grossman got smacked in his helmet by another helmet. Based on what I've seen called this season, it was clearly a penalty.

 

And I agree, the Dillon late hit had no effect and the Bears got more advantage from their penalties because of when they happened. It still doesn't change the fact that it was a poorly officiated game overall, and there were plenty of bad calls to go around for either side. I doubt the refs knew the Bears would take the ball away the next play, or that the Patriots wouldn't and it would result in a Bear TD when they made their respective calls. It's just how it worked out...

 

If it was reversed and the Patriots scored after the Dillon hit, and the Grossman fumble happened on the play after the Berrian PI, would that have changed how good/bad the officiating was? Of course not...

[edjr 6,602]

Are you talking about when Ty Warren hit Grossman in the chest with his shoulder? That was not a penalty no matter how you look at it. I hope that you are talking about another play that I must have missed.

 

The Dillon late-hit call was a bad one that had no bearing on the game. It was a half-the-distance penalty.

 

PI on the Pats were bad ones that gave about 75 yards to the Bears. Those calls got the Bears down the field.

 

The refs did not factor in the outcome of the game, but they could have. Grossman was just chucking it up there and hoping that his guy came up with the ball or they would get a call.

 

Colvin hit Grossman in the facmask with his hand on 3rd and long and there was no flag.

[parrot 789]

Turning is only one component. Contact is the other. If you turn to look for the ball, but push the receiver, then it is still PI.

True, but they generally will let more contact slide if the defender is turned and making a play on the ball.

 

My point was that if they let the play go when Chicago did not get called, then they should have let it play on those two called against the Pats.

I understood your point, I just disagreed that this would be "consistent" because they were markedly different plays, one where the defender was making an honest effort at the ball and one where the defender was blatantly face-guarding.

[DrJ 0]

Colvin hit Grossman in the facmask with his hand on 3rd and long and there was no flag.

 

Actually, that's not the one I was referring to - it was probably the Warren one. And while I agree that it wasn't "roughing the passer" in the purist sense, it was with the BS rules that are in place this season and I've seen the Bears get flagged on BS like that a few times. They expect Urlacher and Ogunleye to be able to pull some Matrix type crap and levitate in the air if the QB throws it.

 

But the Colvin one was another.

 

Just a terribly officiated game all around.

 

True, but they generally will let more contact slide if the defender is turned and making a play on the ball.

 

I understood your point, I just disagreed that this would be "consistent" because they were markedly different plays, one where the defender was making an honest effort at the ball and one where the defender was blatantly face-guarding.

 

The Patriots DB's are obviously coached to be some of the most physical DB's in the league. They initiate far more contact downfield than any other backfield I've seen the Bears play against this season. While some of the calls last night may have been a little questionable, there WERE others that were let go. And with the rules in the NFL today, those types of calls are going to happen sooner or later when you play like that....

 

But don't worry, when the playoffs come the refs swallow their whistles a bit, and you'll be able to go back to your regularly scheduled WR muggings.

[parrot 789]

While some of the calls last night may have been a little questionable, there WERE others that were let go. And with the rules in the NFL today, those types of calls are going to happen sooner or later when you play like that....

Maybe so. I don't know that the Patriots are all that much more physical downfield than any number of other teams in the league, particularly after they were put under the microscope the last couple years, but it's hard to say with any objectivity. None of this explains why such an obvious face-guard was let go though. I don't understand how that call is missed.

[TD Ryan2 316]

None of this explains why such an obvious face-guard was let go though. I don't understand how that call is missed.

 

agreed. of all the questionable calls, that was the worst.

 

the face-guard was blatant enough that they could use it in referee school to show the up and coming NFL refs what to look for when calling the face-guard.

 

 

But, all this crap aside. What a great game. Tough, hard nosed football.

[Nomad99 748]

Fact is.........When you have to rely on the Reff's for your team to win......your team is not as good as you think. Yeah I know....In a close game it can make a difference......but if your team is THAT good......it shouldn't be close enough that a bad call either way decides the game.

 

 

ALL things considered........the better team won on Sunday.

[football_scooter 0]

But, all this crap aside. What a great game. Tough, hard nosed football.

 

Yeah - right up until Grossman left his brain on the sideline on that ill-fated bomb that ended the game.

[edjr 6,602]

Yeah - right up until Grossman left his brain on the sideline on that ill-fated bomb that ended the game.

 

he was going for pass interference, the only other way they could move the ball down the field.

[DrJ 0]

Fact is.........When you have to rely on the Reff's for your team to win......your team is not as good as you think. Yeah I know....In a close game it can make a difference......but if your team is THAT good......it shouldn't be close enough that a bad call either way decides the game.

ALL things considered........the better team won on Sunday.

 

No disagreement, and the Bears clearly deserved to lose last night. But I'm not so sure the Patriots are a better team if the Bears aren't in New England, on their 3rd straight road game. We'll see come playoff time.

 

Yeah - right up until Grossman left his brain on the sideline on that ill-fated bomb that ended the game.

 

Indeed, with Grossman playing as he has lately our best bet is for San Fran to make the playoffs, giving us 2 byes.

[football_scooter 0]

Indeed, with Grossman playing as he has lately our best bet is for San Fran to make the playoffs, giving us 2 byes.

 

The way Grossman's playing, I wouldn't be so sure that the Niners would lose that game.

[DrJ 0]

The way Grossman's playing, I wouldn't be so sure that the Niners would lose that game.

 

They could put in Kyle Orton and the score would be 35-0 at half, it was already proven that the 49ers are a bunch of NCAA level pretenders.

 

The Bears and Rex probably wouldn't be in the position they're in if they'd held practice that week rather than wasting their time with the 49ers. Crap defenses like those just reinforce bad habits...

[parrot 789]

But, all this crap aside. What a great game. Tough, hard nosed football.

 

True dat. Usually when your team commits five turnovers, you would be upset about how poorly they played, but in this instance the Chicago D is just that good.

[football_scooter 0]

They could put in Kyle Orton and the score would be 35-0 at half, it was already proven that the 49ers are a bunch of NCAA level pretenders.

 

The Bears and Rex probably wouldn't be in the position they're in if they'd held practice that week rather than wasting their time with the 49ers. Crap defenses like those just reinforce bad habits...

 

To coin a phrase, "negro, please".

 

Rex Grossman has been an enigma this year, and I remain unconvinced that he is the best option to start for that team. The Bears would be an UBER team this year if they had better play from the QB position. He's wildly inconsistent, and makes terrible decisions at seemingly the worst time of the game.

 

Remember - this Bears team very nearly got spanked by AZ earlier this year, a team that lost 9 straight games.

 

Were I a Bears fan, I'd be wondering to myself if this is a team that can get past a Dallas in the post season. And even IF they manage to win the NFC, will Grossman be able to top an Indy, NE or Baltimore team in the big game? I think he's the weak link on that team and that they won't win anything as a result.

 

One man's opinion.

[SWAMI SEZ 0]

34-3 Bears????????????????????????????

 

Hallucinations are a wonderful thing!

[Sweetness_34 0]

look, there's no question that this game could have gone either way... but NE was in fact in a position to make this a freakin BLOWOUT.

 

Oh really....how? Did you even watch the game or you just love to hate the Bears? Here are some facts about the game:

 

a) Bears missed a FG because of a false start and Pats made a FG they should have missed when Lovie called a late time out to icethe kicker....if thoe kicks go the other way as it should have, Bears win 16-14

 

Bears fumbled the ball away at the 10 yard line. If they make the FG, they only need to make a Fg at the end to win and probably do it.

 

c) Bears had at least 3 deep passes in the 1st half which were pass int calls that the ref jobbed the Bears on. The Pats are known to mug WRs....ask the Colts. The refs always let them get away with it because their secondary cannot cover speedy WRs. If those calls are made like they should have, Bears probably win.

 

d) On the late TD drive by the Pats, when Brady ran past Urlacher, Urlacher slowed down because he was afraid to hit a QB about to slide. The sad thing about the NFL today is that refs are so pathetic now where they make calls on anyone even breathing on a QB these days that defenders have become a little tentative when they are about to tackle someone. Look at what happened with Kiwanuka vs Vince Young where he stopped his tackle because he did not want to get a flag. If Bears make that stop, Pats have to kick a FG and Bears probably win again or at least take it to OT

 

e) In the 2nd half, Bears threw a RB screen where Thomas Jones was wide open and would have probably run it for a 40+ yard TD. But some penalty negated that call.

 

Facts are the Bears ran for 150 yards on a team that was supposed to be able to stop the run. The Bears threw for 250 yds or so, had a WR have 100+ yards and this was all despite the Pats secondary raping the Bears WRs every time the ball was in the air and the refs screwing up the calls in the 1st half. The Bears shut down the Pats 2 headed running game.

 

The Pats on the other hand protected Brady very well and did not let the Bears pass rush get to him much.

 

So, in summary, this was a close game that the Bears could easily have won. They made some boneheaded penalty and mistakes (fumbles/ints) and the refs jobbed them in the 1st half. All in all a great game between 2 elite teams and considering the Bears played their 3rd road game in a row to the east coast, they did very well.

 

You may return to your embroidery now.

 

 

 

 

To coin a phrase, "negro, please".

 

Rex Grossman has been an enigma this year, and I remain unconvinced that he is the best option to start for that team. The Bears would be an UBER team this year if they had better play from the QB position. He's wildly inconsistent, and makes terrible decisions at seemingly the worst time of the game.

 

Remember - this Bears team very nearly got spanked by AZ earlier this year, a team that lost 9 straight games.

 

Were I a Bears fan, I'd be wondering to myself if this is a team that can get past a Dallas in the post season. And even IF they manage to win the NFC, will Grossman be able to top an Indy, NE or Baltimore team in the big game? I think he's the weak link on that team and that they won't win anything as a result.

 

One man's opinion.

 

Scooter - Grossman has a better win % than even Tom Brady and better than ANY starting QB in the NFL right now (even Peyton). You do not change qbs just because he has some development still to do. It is better to let him develop .... it will only help us down the line.

 

I am sure people like you would have yanked Matt Hasselback when he was struggling

 

Or fire Cowher when he could not win the big one

 

Or give up on Favre in his initial years because he was as erratic as Grossman with his turnovers

 

You make good points but look at the big picture. Griese will not win the big game either and I prefer to go down with Rex if I have to. He has a lot of upside. And remember this was a Pats D that typically has given Peyton fits in his initial games.....Belichik does that to young Qbs....Rex still did pretty well considering all of that.

[Guest JahRasta311]

Oh really....how? Did you even watch the game or you just love to hate the Bears? Here are some facts about the game:

 

a) Bears missed a FG because of a false start and Pats made a FG they should have missed when Lovie called a late time out to icethe kicker....if thoe kicks go the other way as it should have, Bears win 16-14

 

Bears fumbled the ball away at the 10 yard line. If they make the FG, they only need to make a Fg at the end to win and probably do it.

 

c) Bears had at least 3 deep passes in the 1st half which were pass int calls that the ref jobbed the Bears on. The Pats are known to mug WRs....ask the Colts. The refs always let them get away with it because their secondary cannot cover speedy WRs. If those calls are made like they should have, Bears probably win.

 

d) On the late TD drive by the Pats, when Brady ran past Urlacher, Urlacher slowed down because he was afraid to hit a QB about to slide. The sad thing about the NFL today is that refs are so pathetic now where they make calls on anyone even breathing on a QB these days that defenders have become a little tentative when they are about to tackle someone. Look at what happened with Kiwanuka vs Vince Young where he stopped his tackle because he did not want to get a flag. If Bears make that stop, Pats have to kick a FG and Bears probably win again or at least take it to OT

 

e) In the 2nd half, Bears threw a RB screen where Thomas Jones was wide open and would have probably run it for a 40+ yard TD. But some penalty negated that call.

 

Facts are the Bears ran for 150 yards on a team that was supposed to be able to stop the run. The Bears threw for 250 yds or so, had a WR have 100+ yards and this was all despite the Pats secondary raping the Bears WRs every time the ball was in the air and the refs screwing up the calls in the 1st half. The Bears shut down the Pats 2 headed running game.

 

The Pats on the other hand protected Brady very well and did not let the Bears pass rush get to him much.

 

So, in summary, this was a close game that the Bears could easily have won. They made some boneheaded penalty and mistakes (fumbles/ints) and the refs jobbed them in the 1st half. All in all a great game between 2 elite teams and considering the Bears played their 3rd road game in a row to the east coast, they did very well.

 

You may return to your embroidery now.

Hey, how did Eddie Kennison do this week?

[Sweetness_34 0]

Hey, how did Eddie Kennison do this week?

 

What has one thing got to do with another? At least I had the ballz to show everyone a data driven argument. Next time you have something to add value to this bored, please let me know.

 

34-3 Bears????????????????????????????

 

Hallucinations are a wonderful thing!

 

You should read these boreds more and understand some of the inner jokes around here.

 

One thing the Bear haters need to realize is some of the intangibles regarding this game:

 

#1: The Pats have played MANY MANY MANY big games over the past 5 years or so. The Bears are a very young team (Grossman, Benson, Berrian, Bradley on O; Daniel Manning, Chris Harris, Tillman, Vasher, Briggs etc on D). The Pats know how to play such close, tough nosed playoff like games in the spotlight. The Bears ae still learning. Even the Pats went through such losses before realizing how to win these tight ones.

 

#2 As has been said many time already, 3 road games in a row, all to the East coast and all against >0.500 teams and the Bears still come out 2-1 out of it.

 

#3 Belichick always makes opposing Qbs look bad especially if they are young. Look at how Peyton played in his first 5 games against the Pats despite having stud talent on his team surrounding him.

 

#4 The Bears really did not need to win this game. They have a 2 game lead over the entire confierence and they have to still play Det, GB, Minny, Rams, Bucs....if they stay healthy and play their game, they will most likely go 5-0 in those games unless they bench players with things wrapped up near the end of the year. The Pats needed to win this game much more than the Bears.

 

Despite ALL of that, the Bears do not fumble, miss FG, call a timeout that changes a missed FG for pats into a converted FG and the refs actually call a few PI calls that were blatant muggings in the 1st half and the Bears still win this game

 

You may all now return to hating on Da Bears....whatever makes you feel better when your team (aka niners, lydowns, etc) stink.

[parrot 789]

Oh really....how? Did you even watch the game or you just love to hate the Bears? Here are some facts about the game:

 

a) Bears missed a FG because of a false start and Pats made a FG they should have missed when Lovie called a late time out to icethe kicker....if thoe kicks go the other way as it should have, Bears win 16-14

 

Bears fumbled the ball away at the 10 yard line. If they make the FG, they only need to make a Fg at the end to win and probably do it.

 

c) Bears had at least 3 deep passes in the 1st half which were pass int calls that the ref jobbed the Bears on. The Pats are known to mug WRs....ask the Colts. The refs always let them get away with it because their secondary cannot cover speedy WRs. If those calls are made like they should have, Bears probably win.

 

d) On the late TD drive by the Pats, when Brady ran past Urlacher, Urlacher slowed down because he was afraid to hit a QB about to slide. The sad thing about the NFL today is that refs are so pathetic now where they make calls on anyone even breathing on a QB these days that defenders have become a little tentative when they are about to tackle someone. Look at what happened with Kiwanuka vs Vince Young where he stopped his tackle because he did not want to get a flag. If Bears make that stop, Pats have to kick a FG and Bears probably win again or at least take it to OT

 

e) In the 2nd half, Bears threw a RB screen where Thomas Jones was wide open and would have probably run it for a 40+ yard TD. But some penalty negated that call.

 

Facts are the Bears ran for 150 yards on a team that was supposed to be able to stop the run. The Bears threw for 250 yds or so, had a WR have 100+ yards and this was all despite the Pats secondary raping the Bears WRs every time the ball was in the air and the refs screwing up the calls in the 1st half. The Bears shut down the Pats 2 headed running game.

 

 

 

 

You could have saved yourself a lot of effort by just typing "I'm a blinded by homerism moron."

 

Also, 176 yards passing is now " 250 yds or so"?

 

Also, also, I wouldn't put too much stock in the Bears rushing yardage. The Patriots defense was clearly predicated on taking away the big play over the top as that is how the Bears have hurt teams this year, thus their underneath defense suffered somewhat. It was all part of the plan.

[BMoney 0]

250+ passing yards? that was one of the worst qb performances of the year....

 

jeff george was watching and decided to spruce up his resume....

 

like i told the bears fans at the bar...

 

good news, u guys just forced another turnover...

 

the bad news..u didnt score on the INT and grossman now gets the ball..

 

and sure enough..he was giving it back..

[football_scooter 0]

Scooter - Grossman has a better win % than even Tom Brady and better than ANY starting QB in the NFL right now (even Peyton). You do not change qbs just because he has some development still to do. It is better to let him develop .... it will only help us down the line.

 

I am sure people like you would have yanked Matt Hasselback when he was struggling

 

Or fire Cowher when he could not win the big one

 

Or give up on Favre in his initial years because he was as erratic as Grossman with his turnovers

 

You make good points but look at the big picture. Griese will not win the big game either and I prefer to go down with Rex if I have to. He has a lot of upside. And remember this was a Pats D that typically has given Peyton fits in his initial games.....Belichik does that to young Qbs....Rex still did pretty well considering all of that.

 

 

Once again: negro, please. You sound just as bad as the Vick apologists when you talk about winning %. With a defense like the Bears have are you really going to attribute the majority of Bears wins to Rex Grossman?

Like this game:

14/37 for 144 yds and 0 TDs with 4 Ints - a game the Bears won 24-23 - the winner against AZ that was gift wrapped for them. (if you wanna crown 'em, then crown 'em!)

 

Against the Jets he was 11/22 for 119 with 1 TD in the win. I wouldn't put that one on Rex either.

 

and against MIA, in a game they lost I might add, he was 18/42 for 210 with 1 TD to 3 Ints.

 

For the season, Grossman is 192/346 (55%) with 18 TDs and 14 Ints. That's a QB rating of 77.6

 

Brady is 221/367 (60.2%) with 20 TDs to 11 Ints, a QB rating of 87.1

 

Yeah - Rex sure is better than Brady there.

 

Probably not the best idea to point to one irrelevant statistic and rest your case on it that Grossman isn't very iffy. Especially not W-L %, because he's had several total stinkers that the team won and he has a TD:Int of nearly 1:1.

 

That is essentially the EXACT argument that Skinny Bastard has been making for Vick for 3 years now.

Now to your credit, you're more realistic and you seem to accept his flaws.

 

But my point wasn't that Grossman sucks or doesn't suck or whether he has a future or not. My point was that were I a bears fan, I would be extremely uncomfortable with Grossman leading my team into the big game, because he's not shown much in games against decent defenses. MIA and AZ were the best he's faced before the Pats. The results aren't pretty. 354 yds, 1 TD and 7 Ints in those 2 combined. Add in Minny, who's been soft against the pass and you've got another 278 yds and 2 more picks with just one more TD. Ok, now we're at 2 TDs to 9 Ints in those 3 games. Now add NE and you're looking at 2 TDs to 12 Ints. He had a good game against Seattle, 2 TDs, 0 Ints....but otherwise I don't see another team on thier schedule who's defense was worth spit. Not DET, not GB, BUF, SF (at the time), a depleted NYG, NYJ? None of those teams even vaguely resemble the Cowboys, and I don't think the Bears offense could survive a shootout against the Saints. Then if they do advance, I have a hard time seeing Grossman mustering a good game against the Ravens or Pats.

 

And in the playoffs there will be no Cardinals to throw 4 Ints against and still be able to win the game. In the Superbowl there will be no Jets where you can throw 110 yds with 1 TD and hope to win - there will be teams with excellent defenses and top rated offenses who can put 3 or 4 scores on the board, even against the vaunted Bears defense. Like any great defense, the Bears could be handicapped by Grossman's mistakes. Instead of engineering sustained drives that allow the defense to rest, one pick and they're right back out there. How effective will Urlacher & Co be if they're forced to be on the field for much of the 1st half because Rex threw a pick or fumbled away a ball because he lacks the fundamentals to make his reads or (gasp!) know how to handle a snap? Again - no statement about his future. I think he has potential to be an excellent QB, and you're 100% on target...he's like a rookie considering all the time he'd missed early on. But there seems to be about a 50-50 chance that Grossman will cost your team a win once they start playing games that matter against teams that can harass him in the post season.

 

And 50-50 would make me really nervous were I a bears fan.

 

Just one man's opinion. I agree that Grossman is young and I do cut him some slack when evaluating him...but in this topic I'm evaluating the Bears chances at winning the SB, and I think it's going to be an uphill battle mainly because of Grossman at QB. Not saying anyone on the team is better, but I'm just saying.

[swamp dog 0]

What has one thing got to do with another? At least I had the ballz to show everyone a data driven argument. Next time you have something to add value to this bored, please let me know.

You should read these boreds more and understand some of the inner jokes around here.

 

One thing the Bear haters need to realize is some of the intangibles regarding this game:

 

#1: The Pats have played MANY MANY MANY big games over the past 5 years or so. The Bears are a very young team (Grossman, Benson, Berrian, Bradley on O; Daniel Manning, Chris Harris, Tillman, Vasher, Briggs etc on D). The Pats know how to play such close, tough nosed playoff like games in the spotlight. The Bears ae still learning. Even the Pats went through such losses before realizing how to win these tight ones.

 

#2 As has been said many time already, 3 road games in a row, all to the East coast and all against >0.500 teams and the Bears still come out 2-1 out of it.

 

#3 Belichick always makes opposing Qbs look bad especially if they are young. Look at how Peyton played in his first 5 games against the Pats despite having stud talent on his team surrounding him.

 

#4 The Bears really did not need to win this game. They have a 2 game lead over the entire confierence and they have to still play Det, GB, Minny, Rams, Bucs....if they stay healthy and play their game, they will most likely go 5-0 in those games unless they bench players with things wrapped up near the end of the year. The Pats needed to win this game much more than the Bears.

 

Despite ALL of that, the Bears do not fumble, miss FG, call a timeout that changes a missed FG for pats into a converted FG and the refs actually call a few PI calls that were blatant muggings in the 1st half and the Bears still win this game

 

You may all now return to hating on Da Bears....whatever makes you feel better when your team (aka niners, lydowns, etc) stink.

 

jesus, there's a shiatload of "ifs" in that post. why don't you add "if the plane didn't crash, nobody would have gotten killed"? same, stupid logic.

 

so in summary: if grossman didn't suck donkey balls, the bears might have won.

 

got it (as do all bear fans posting at this thread with the exception of you)

[ccb123 0]

It is good to see the bears and their fans worried. Greise sux just a little less than grossman. bears O sux no matter who is the QB. The COWBOYS will win the NFC.

[Sweetness_34 0]

jesus, there's a shiatload of "ifs" in that post. why don't you add "if the plane didn't crash, nobody would have gotten killed"? same, stupid logic.

 

so in summary: if grossman didn't suck donkey balls, the bears might have won.

 

got it (as do all bear fans posting at this thread with the exception of you)

 

What are you doing in a Bears thread? You must be bitter....

 

How are the lydowns doing? Oh wait, you do not watch football now.... bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

 

Moron, my post showed how if even one of those things occured, Bears would have won so it was not even close to be a blowout. Other than that, you can return to sucking on Millen's schlong.

[DBZFan2K 0]

250+ passing yards? that was one of the worst qb performances of the year....

 

jeff george was watching and decided to spruce up his resume....

 

like i told the bears fans at the bar...

 

good news, u guys just forced another turnover...

 

the bad news..u didnt score on the INT and grossman now gets the ball..

 

and sure enough..he was giving it back..

 

Posts like these are why you're one of my favorite members of the forum.

[swamp dog 0]

What are you doing in a Bears thread? You must be bitter....

 

How are the lydowns doing? Oh wait, you do not watch football now.... bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

 

Moron, my post showed how if even one of those things occured, Bears would have won so it was not even close to be a blowout. Other than that, you can return to sucking on Millen's schlong.

 

god, you're easy.

 

yeah, if the bears had scored more points than the pats, they would have won. brilliant.

 

add these to your "if-only-one-of-these-things-happened-the-bears-would-have-won" post:

 

--grossman's alarm fails to go off and his misses the team plane to new england

--grossman eats bad clam chowder before the game and spends it on the shitter in the lockerroom

 

most sane and secure bear fans in this thread can admit grossman sucked and move on. the fact you can't is hilarious. and getting more so by the post.

 

free tip.

 

[BirdBradyBobbyOrr 0]

The Patriots are the better team but I'm not going to spend a lot of time explaining why. If you watched that game objectively you saw the better team win.

 

That Brady juke on Urlacher... all time classic play.

 

Frame it any way you want it the Pats are among the class of the AFC and the NFL. The only team that scares me is Indy. And FYI, we turned the ball over 5 times against Indy and still ended up driving to try and tie it at the end.

 

The Defense is clicking and that's without 50% of the starters in our secondary. We need a LB to step in for Junior and Richard Seymour is obviously hurt.

 

Our O Line is back to playing with passion and Brady is well.. Brady.

 

We have 5 easy games coming up. THAT'S RIGHT I SAID IT! Anything less then 13-3 would be a shame.

[BMoney 0]

Posts like these are why you're one of my favorite members of the forum.

 

 

i wont lie..i was feeling the same way watching seattle..

 

if they couldnt score on a nate burleson punt return..i wasnt sure they would EVER score....

 

oops...bears-pats thread..

 

sorry..carry on..