surferskin 30 Posted January 14, 2007 you're going to go for it at 4th and 10 but not 4th and 15? nice decision you retread. you hadn't stopped duece ALL day and you force your D to hold him from getting ONE first down. that's the game!? it's no wonder you focking choke every year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tony hardware 0 Posted January 14, 2007 They really DO choke every year, 5 of the last 6 years and no rings. That's worse than the Bills of the 90s. Now, if only the other perennial choke artist (Manning) can blow it in the AFC Championship, then the Marino comparisons will gain greater validity and Brady will still be considered the better leader (maybe not better quarterback, but better leader). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GettnHuge 2 Posted January 14, 2007 when choking is involved the Uggles never let us down don't leave out 4th and 26 they shoulda punted then too Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rybo5 0 Posted January 14, 2007 That was the worst decision of his coaching career. It's a shame. The guy has done A LOT for this franchise, but so many times he just makes your head spin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,405 Posted January 14, 2007 Going for it on 4th and 10 was dumb. Punting on 4th and 15 was the right move. Yeah, the defense would've had to force the Saints into a 3 and out ... with the game on the line the D should step up. The chances of forcing New Orleans into a 3 and out are better than your chances of converting a 4th adn 10. Although I do agree that if you went for it once on fourth he should've gone for it again. Either way, I think the better, more complete team won. Props to the Saints, I'll be rooting for them from here on out. Also, maybe you guys can help me out. I've been checking my TV Guide but I can't find the Cowboys or Redskins game this weekend. When do they play? I had this problem finding the Redskins game last week, too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rybo5 0 Posted January 14, 2007 Going for it on 4th and 10 was dumb. Punting on 4th and 15 was the right move. no no no no no no no no no no no no Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted January 14, 2007 Going for it on 4th and 10 was dumb. Punting on 4th and 15 was the right move. Yeah, the defense would've had to force the Saints into a 3 and out ... with the game on the line the D should step up. The chances of forcing New Orleans into a 3 and out are better than your chances of converting a 4th adn 10. Although I do agree that if you went for it once on fourth he should've gone for it again. Either way, I think the better, more complete team won. Props to the Saints, I'll be rooting for them from here on out. Also, maybe you guys can help me out. I've been checking my TV Guide but I can't find the Cowboys or Redskins game this weekend. When do they play? I had this problem finding the Redskins game last week, too. Arent they scheduled for a charity golf tourney with the eagles next weekend ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
surferskin 30 Posted January 14, 2007 Going for it on 4th and 10 was dumb. Punting on 4th and 15 was the right move. Yeah, the defense would've had to force the Saints into a 3 and out ... with the game on the line the D should step up. The chances of forcing New Orleans into a 3 and out are better than your chances of converting a 4th adn 10. Although I do agree that if you went for it once on fourth he should've gone for it again. Either way, I think the better, more complete team won. Props to the Saints, I'll be rooting for them from here on out. Also, maybe you guys can help me out. I've been checking my TV Guide but I can't find the Cowboys or Redskins game this weekend. When do they play? I had this problem finding the Redskins game last week, too. yeah, it was genius move to punt under 2 minutes. you don't think it mattered that duece was averaging like 7 yards a carry? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vuduchile 1,945 Posted January 14, 2007 Going for it on 4th and 10 was dumb. Punting on 4th and 15 was the right move. Yeah, the defense would've had to force the Saints into a 3 and out ... with the game on the line the D should step up. The chances of forcing New Orleans into a 3 and out are better than your chances of converting a 4th adn 10. Although I do agree that if you went for it once on fourth he should've gone for it again. Either way, I think the better, more complete team won. Props to the Saints, I'll be rooting for them from here on out. Also, maybe you guys can help me out. I've been checking my TV Guide but I can't find the Cowboys or Redskins game this weekend. When do they play? I had this problem finding the Redskins game last week, too. I don't think that was a good call at all. I was actually shocked that he changed his mind. The Eagles D-had been pushed around pretty good in the 2nd half. The Saints had just chewed up 5-6 minutes with their last drive, and the chances of picking up 15 aren't that much worse than picking up 10. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,405 Posted January 14, 2007 yeah, it was genius move to punt under 2 minutes. you don't think it mattered that duece was averaging like 7 yards a carry? Had the Eagles stopped New Orleans 3 and out, they could have gotten the ball back and midfield with over a minute left needing only a FG to tie it. I don't have the stats handy but I'd guess the percentage of 4th and 15+ converted this year was very small, compared to your chances of forcing a 3 and out when you know the opposing team is going to run on every down. The only issue I have with it is going for it on 4th and 10 but not on 4th and 15. If you're going to do one you should probably do the other. Then again, if they turn the ball over on downs they could still force a 3 and out then but you're looking at a difference of 30 or 40 yards of field position. Maybe you're right? Either way, they couldn't get the Saints offense off the field in either meeting so I think the better team clearly won. I've ripped Andy Reid over and over but it's not his fault the defense can't tackle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rybo5 0 Posted January 14, 2007 Had the Eagles stopped New Orleans 3 and out, they could have gotten the ball back and midfield with over a minute left needing only a FG to tie it. Considering that the Saints had converted 26 first downs and were averaging over 5 yards per carry up to that point, the odds of having the ball again were pretty slim. Of course the odds aren't that great to convert a 4th and 15, but unfortunately that's their best and last chance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,405 Posted January 14, 2007 Considering that the Saints had converted 26 first downs and were averaging over 5 yards per carry up to that point, the odds of having the ball again were pretty slim. Of course the odds aren't that great to convert a 4th and 15, but unfortunately that's their best and last chance. You may be right, I can certainly see your POV, I'm just not putting the game on Andy Reid's decision to punt. The Saints ran all over the Eagles but really, the coach should be able to expect his defense to step up with the game on the line. Obviously this is a huge problem with the defense they'll need to address in the offseason. Also, I hate to say it but the better team just won. What else can you say? Philly played them twice and both times they couldn't get stops when they needed them. The offense is very good but the D is broken. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TylerRoseFan 16 Posted January 14, 2007 MDC, if another team had made the same call, you'd be all over the crappyness of it instead of defending it. Face it, it was a bad move on Reid's part. Maybe w/ 4 minutes left you punt. Under 2, bad call. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,405 Posted January 14, 2007 MDC, if another team had made the same call, you'd be all over the crappyness of it instead of defending it. FFT is hysterical. On the main board another Eagles fan says I'm "off the bandwagon" because I said the Saints would win - and they won almost exactly the way I called it, because Philly couldn't get the offense off the field. On this board I'm a homer because I'm not putting the entire game on one quesitonable call by Andy Reid. You just can't win. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big_Pete 0 Posted January 14, 2007 The correct answer to this post and everyone posting is this is.... "Hindsight is 20/20" If Reid goes for it and makes it, do all the people who thought he should punt say "ohh, what a bonehead move" -or- If the D stops them 3 and out, or forces a fumble, do all the people who chastised Reid for calling in the punting unit still slam him for it once they go ahead and either tie/win the game? The answer to both is "NO". and why is it a "NO"? Because.... Hindsight is 20/20 what if they went for it on 4th and DON'T MAKE IT!!! holy sh1t, I can only image how bad people's legs would break from backpeddaling their "he should go for it and not punt" chants. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rybo5 0 Posted January 14, 2007 The correct answer to this post and everyone posting is this is.... "Hindsight is 20/20" If Reid goes for it and makes it, do all the people who thought he should punt say "ohh, what a bonehead move" -or- If the D stops them 3 and out, or forces a fumble, do all the people who chastised Reid for calling in the punting unit still slam him for it once they go ahead and either tie/win the game? The answer to both is "NO". and why is it a "NO"? Because.... Hindsight is 20/20 what if they went for it on 4th and DON'T MAKE IT!!! holy sh1t, I can only image how bad people's legs would break from backpeddaling their "he should go for it and not punt" chants. There was no reason whatsoever to believe that the defense would get a 3 and out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big_Pete 0 Posted January 14, 2007 There was no reason whatsoever to believe that the defense would get a 3 and out. when you have a defense that historically is good at shutting down runners, you gotta give them the benefit of the doubt! I mean, there was absolutly no reason to believe that the Colts would shut down LJ, but they did it, and did it quite well! And you know that the Eagles have a much better D than the colts, and LJ is a much better runner than Deuce. If they stop them or force a fumble, are you right here, right now saying that they should have gone for it on 4th down and Reid is a moron? Honestly, would you be saying that if they stopped them or forced a fumble and ended up winning the game? But on a similar subject, I feel for you, cause I'm a Broncos homer, so when we were starting to rely on our D the last half of the season, I was screaming at the TV that it was a mistake, and yes, even if we pulled out a win (usually was cause Cutler was a stud), I'd still say "wow, we got lucky, cause our D sucks"... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GettnHuge 2 Posted January 14, 2007 he will be fired monday Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rybo5 0 Posted January 14, 2007 when you have a defense that historically is good at shutting down runners, you gotta give them the benefit of the doubt! Huh? In this particular game, the defense was awful. Up to that point, the Saints only went 3 and out once in 10 series. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted January 14, 2007 I agree that it was a shaky decision by Reid, but I find it hilarious that this thread was started by a team that got clobbered by the Eagles twice and failed to even sniff the playoffs. 7-1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
surferskin 30 Posted January 14, 2007 I agree that it was a shaky decision by Reid, but I find it hilarious that this thread was started by a team that got clobbered by the Eagles twice and failed to even sniff the playoffs. 7-1 with 3 superbowl trophies. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hairy Larry 0 Posted January 14, 2007 Typical. You're all a bunch of focking SHIMS! Never mind how bad all the brothers on the field played, you liberal apologists would never put the blame on these THUGS, whom you constantly cack gobble.... Noooooooo.... It's was all the white man's fault. AND he's FAT!! Focking PATHETIC! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
