Suns and Mavericks

[Fumbleweed 555]

These two teams are 51-3 in their last 54 combined games.

 

That's just ridiculous.

[cbfalcon 827]

Yeah, it's insane.

 

Mavs have the leg up though in that race.

 

Vs the West: Mavs 23-6...Suns 16-7

 

So the Suns haven't played as tough a schedule thus far as the Mavs.

 

also, Mavs 2-0 vs the Suns.

[jerryskids 7,130]

Yeah, it's insane.

 

Mavs have the leg up though in that race.

 

Vs the West: Mavs 23-6...Suns 16-7

 

So the Suns haven't played as tough a schedule thus far as the Mavs.

 

also, Mavs 2-0 vs the Suns.

As a Suns fan I am having a blast, but I am still cautiously optimistic. You watch them kill the Wizards yesterday, and you think they are unbeatable. Then you remember that in a 7 game series, with a day or more of rest in between, and a long time to gameplan against them...

 

If Kurt Thomas comes back healthy and Amare approaches 100%, they will still be tough to beat.

[Strike 6,030]

As a Suns fan I am having a blast, but I am still cautiously optimistic. You watch them kill the Wizards yesterday, and you think they are unbeatable. Then you remember that in a 7 game series, with a day or more of rest in between, and a long time to gameplan against them...

 

If Kurt Thomas comes back healthy and Amare approaches 100%, they will still be tough to beat.

 

The Suns have 0% chance to win the NBA title. Sorry but it's true. If you think otherwise send me an E-mail. I'll give you odds or something on a little side wager.

[cbfalcon 827]

As a Suns fan I am having a blast, but I am still cautiously optimistic. You watch them kill the Wizards yesterday, and you think they are unbeatable. Then you remember that in a 7 game series, with a day or more of rest in between, and a long time to gameplan against them...

 

If Kurt Thomas comes back healthy and Amare approaches 100%, they will still be tough to beat.

 

Yeah, Phoenix fans should be having a good time. But you seem to be a rich mans version of the Don Nelson era Mavericks.

 

I'll take the Spurs or Mavericks to beat Phoenix in 6 games.

[jerryskids 7,130]

The Suns have 0% chance to win the NBA title. Sorry but it's true. If you think otherwise send me an E-mail. I'll give you odds or something on a little side wager.

This reminds me of the old CurlyNight.

 

Also I think 0% is a bit strong. I'm certainly up for some friendly wagers when the time is right tho.

[Fumbleweed 555]

Yeah, Phoenix fans should be having a good time. But you seem to be a rich mans version of the Don Nelson era Mavericks.

 

I'll take the Spurs or Mavericks to beat Phoenix in 6 games.

 

The Mavs maybe, but I don't think the Spurs are good enough at this juncture to beat out the Suns.

[cbfalcon 827]

another stat:

 

The Mavs started 0-4

The Suns started 1-5

 

Since, they are a combined 67-7

[Fumbleweed 555]

another stat:

 

The Mavs started 0-4

The Suns started 1-5

 

Since, they are a combined 67-7

 

Just think if they didn't have to play each other......

[Greedo 13]

The Suns have 0% chance to win the NBA title. Sorry but it's true. If you think otherwise send me an E-mail. I'll give you odds or something on a little side wager.

 

You sir, are an idiot. They're a Nowitzski shot at the buzzer and an OT loss after 2 days of travel, landing 2 hours before game time to play the Wizards, from a 33 game win streak, and a season split against the Mavs, and they have a 0% chance? Nowitzki misses, Suns win that game, and it's much different.

 

Don't forget, the Suns almost beat the Mavs last year without Bell or Stoudamire. Let's not crown Dallas just yet.

 

Though I live in Phoenix, I see clearly they haven't beaten anyone in the west that matters, and they're certainly an underdog in a series against the Mavs today, but for chrissakes, 0%? Gotta be at least 20-25%.

[Strike 6,030]

You sir, are an idiot. They're a Nowitzski shot at the buzzer and an OT loss after 2 days of travel, landing 2 hours before game time to play the Wizards, from a 33 game win streak, and a season split against the Mavs, and they have a 0% chance? Nowitzki misses, Suns win that game, and it's much different.

 

Don't forget, the Suns almost beat the Mavs last year without Bell or Stoudamire. Let's not crown Dallas just yet.

 

Though I live in Phoenix, I see clearly they haven't beaten anyone in the west that matters, and they're certainly an underdog in a series against the Mavs today, but for chrissakes, 0%? Gotta be at least 20-25%.

 

LOL. You're talking regular season. I don't care if they win 82 regular season games. Playoff basketball is entirely different than regular season. That team will not win the championship. End of story. Feel free to bump this thread after they get bounced in the playoffs.

[Bigtraine 35]

LOL. You're talking regular season. I don't care if they win 82 regular season games. Playoff basketball is entirely different than regular season. That team will not win the championship. End of story. Feel free to bump this thread after they get bounced in the playoffs.

 

Since you think they have 0% chance, you'd be happy to take any odds right? So how about you give me 100,000-1 odds, I'll take the Suns winning it all, and you can name the stake?

[Strike 6,030]

Since you think they have 0% chance, you'd be happy to take any odds right? So how about you give me 100,000-1 odds, I'll take the Suns winning it all, and you can name the stake?

 

1) Why would I entertain an offer from someone I don't know? You could be Q. Lazzarus or MDC in disguise, in which case I'd never see my money. I've already said I'd give odds to JK because I know him and I stand by that.

 

2) Let me rephrase - they have .00001 % chance so no I'm not going to put myself in potential bankruptcy or worse over a team I really could care less about. I'm certainly willing to give JK good odds on the bet though.

[Bigtraine 35]

1) Why would I entertain an offer from someone I don't know? You could be Q. Lazzarus or MDC in disguise, in which case I'd never see my money. I've already said I'd give odds to JK because I know him and I stand by that.

 

2) Let me rephrase - they have .00001 % chance so no I'm not going to put myself in potential bankruptcy or worse over a team I really could care less about. I'm certainly willing to give JK good odds on the bet though.

 

1. It's not like I'm unknown around here, but it was a hypothetical anyway since you obviously aren't going to go through with it. (EDIT: Also, at those odds, I wouldn't have to put up much money which could easily be held in trust by someone like JK. Just sayin. I think I would be more worried about your end of the stake.)

 

2. You realize that even at .00001%, they would be bigger underdogs than 100,000-1?

 

So now you've clearly shown that your 0% BS comment was hyperbole. I wonder what you really think. Would you lay 20-1, 50-1, 100-1 or more odds on it? Since we're not going to really bet anyway, why don't you say what odds you would take? That would show how much you really think of the Suns chances (or lack thereof).

[Strike 6,030]

1. It's not like I'm unknown around here, but it was a hypothetical anyway since you obviously aren't going to go through with it.

 

2. You realize that even at .00001%, they would be bigger underdogs than 100,000-1?

 

So now you've clearly shown that your 0% BS comment was hyperbole. I wonder what you really think. Would you lay 20-1, 50-1, 100-1 or more odds on it? Since we're not going to really bet anyway, why don't you say what odds you would take? That would show how much you really think of the Suns chances (or lack thereof).

 

1) MDC is well known around here too. What does that prove?

 

2) I haven't done anything of the sort. Anything up to .49 rounds down to 0. Either way of course they have a chance. It's my opinion that they have no realistic chance. Again, if JK wants to discuss odds he's welcome to it. I'll gladly wager with him. I have no desire to wager with you or anyone else around here regarding this.

[Greedo 13]

The backpedal has to come. You can't say a team that's won 31 of 33, with a buzzer beater against Dallas, has no chance.

 

2 years ago, Phoenix bounced Dallas, a far inferior Phoenix team to this year;'s model, by the way.

 

And last year, a Dallas team not much different than this year's model needed 6 to beat a Phoenix team without 2 of its top 6 players.

 

That's playoffs. I don't see Dallas as being any more playoff capable than the Suns. They lost to an inferior team in the Finals last year. I'm just missing this fantastic playoff track record Dallas has...

[Bigtraine 35]

1) MDC is well known around here too. What does that prove?

 

2) I haven't done anything of the sort. Anything up to .49 rounds down to 0. Either way of course they have a chance. It's my opinion that they have no realistic chance. Again, if JK wants to discuss odds he's welcome to it. I'll gladly wager with him. I have no desire to wager with you or anyone else around here regarding this.

 

1. You just said you didn't know who I was. I was pointing out that I've been around awhile. Anyways, not the main point.

 

2. Anything up to .49 rounds down to 0? What are you talking about? Sorry if I offended you while you were busy talking out of your ass.

[Strike 6,030]

The backpedal has to come. You can't say a team that's won 31 of 33, with a buzzer beater against Dallas, has no chance.

 

2 years ago, Phoenix bounced Dallas, a far inferior Phoenix team to this year;'s model, by the way.

 

And last year, a Dallas team not much different than this year's model needed 6 to beat a Phoenix team without 2 of its top 6 players.

 

That's playoffs. I don't see Dallas as being any more playoff capable than the Suns. They lost to an inferior team in the Finals last year. I'm just missing this fantastic playoff track record Dallas has...

 

Talk to me when the Suns win a championship.

[Greedo 13]

How many titles does Dallas have again?

[jerryskids 7,130]

1) Why would I entertain an offer from someone I don't know? You could be Q. Lazzarus or MDC in disguise, in which case I'd never see my money. I've already said I'd give odds to JK because I know him and I stand by that.

 

2) Let me rephrase - they have .00001 % chance so no I'm not going to put myself in potential bankruptcy or worse over a team I really could care less about. I'm certainly willing to give JK good odds on the bet though.

100-1 sounds good. Let me know how much you are willing to bet.

[Strike 6,030]

100-1 sounds good. Let me know how much you are willing to bet.

 

If you want 100-1 I'll bet you a penny

 

How many titles does Dallas have again?

 

Who gives a crap about Dallas? I'm a lifelong Lakers fan and, the last time I checked, we had more titles than Phoenix, Dallas, and SA combined. And no, I don't hold any illusions of us winning the title this year either. I do think it's likely we'll win another one before Phoenix does though.

[jerryskids 7,130]

If you want 100-1 I'll bet you a penny

But that's only a 1% chance. Not even a decimal involved.

[Greedo 13]

So 0% for Phoenix, and don't give a crap about Dallas. Who, then, has the best chance to win, if not one of these two?

[Strike 6,030]

So 0% for Phoenix, and don't give a crap about Dallas. Who, then, has the best chance to win, if not one of these two?

 

Dallas is the front runner in the West and, therefore, overall. If SA can get their act together they are capable but right now they aren't playing anywhere near as well as the other upper echelon teams. Denver looks interesting but it's too early to say how good they are going to be and Houston was playing well before the injury to Yao. In the East Detroit and Miami would be the two I'd give the most chance of making the finals. Indiana could be good depending on how the new guys integrate. I don't think an Eastern conf. team will win the whole thing though.

[Bigtraine 35]

Anything up to .49 rounds down to 0.

 

I still want to know what this means.... (in relation to the topic at hand)

[CantTouchThis 23]

I know, and Phoenix has 2 15 GW streaks, and we are not even halfway through the season Both teams are on pace for 70 wins. I think we have learned though that they will eventually run low on gas, and will both end up in the low-mid 60 wins(ala Pistons last year). However, as we learned from the Pistons last year, early season success means nothing, both of these teams are really pushing the gas pedal, and they won't be able to keep up this pace, even with all the talent they have. They should start easing up after the AS break, so they have the energy to compete in the playoffs.

 

In the end though, i think San Antonio will make it out of the west, i think with Duncan being healthy again, and Parker hitting his peak, they will be unbeatable come playoff time.

[cbfalcon 827]

While I agree with Strike when he says the Suns have no chance, I mean it in a less literal sense (and I am sure he'll agree)

 

My odds of getting out of the West look something like:

 

Mavs - 55%

Spurs - 25%

Suns - 10%

Other - 10%

 

I am a Mavs fan thus am biased, but that's how I see it.

 

Phoenix is playing awesome, but they are also 7 deep. I think they'll wear down. There best chance is Stoudamire getting better and better. Although I think the history of that injury indicates he has a better chance of breaking down than getting healthier in the long run.

[Strike 6,030]

While I agree with Strike when he says the Suns have no chance, I mean it in a less literal sense (and I am sure he'll agree)

 

My odds of getting out of the West look something like:

 

Mavs - 55%

Spurs - 25%

Suns - 10%

Other - 10%

 

I am a Mavs fan thus am biased, but that's how I see it.

 

Phoenix is playing awesome, but they are also 7 deep. I think they'll wear down. There best chance is Stoudamire getting better and better. Although I think the history of that injury indicates he has a better chance of breaking down than getting healthier in the long run.

 

Those are reasonable numbers, although I'd put the Suns at more like 5% realistically. I really don't think they have much, if any, chance. That style of basketball has never won a championship and IMO never will. It's exciting to watch but once the playoffs hit it is more of a liability than an asset. People need to learn to differentiate between regular season basketball and post season basketball.

[jerryskids 7,130]

I know, and Phoenix has 2 15 GW streaks, and we are not even halfway through the season Both teams are on pace for 70 wins. I think we have learned though that they will eventually run low on gas, and will both end up in the low-mid 60 wins(ala Pistons last year). However, as we learned from the Pistons last year, early season success means nothing, both of these teams are really pushing the gas pedal, and they won't be able to keep up this pace, even with all the talent they have. They should start easing up after the AS break, so they have the energy to compete in the playoffs.

 

In the end though, i think San Antonio will make it out of the west, i think with Duncan being healthy again, and Parker hitting his peak, they will be unbeatable come playoff time.

My biggest complaint with D'Antoni is his short rotations. He usually uses only 8, and with Thomas out he has used 7. Who cares if you lose a few games, I'd rather not have home court in the conference finals than have Nash break down.

[Greedo 13]

All right - we've gotten strike up from zero to 5%. Now we're approaching realistic.

 

While I agree they're an underdog in any series with Dallas or the Spurs, they can play with Dallas, and the series will hardly be a romp, even if Dallas does win. It wasn't a romp last year, when the Suns were short. Also remember how close Dallas was to losing in the West semis against the Spurs in game 7 - they almost blew that game, and with it the series.

 

The Lakers also won a few times in the 80s with Showtime basketball, it can and has been done.

[Strike 6,030]

All right - we've gotten strike up from zero to 5%. Now we're approaching realistic.

 

While I agree they're an underdog in any series with Dallas or the Spurs, they can play with Dallas, and the series will hardly be a romp, even if Dallas does win. It wasn't a romp last year, when the Suns were short. Also remember how close Dallas was to losing in the West semis against the Spurs in game 7 - they almost blew that game, and with it the series.

 

The Lakers also won a few times in the 80s with Showtime basketball, it can and has been done.

 

LOL so 5% is realistic but when I take that to the extreme and make it 0% you call me an idiot? I mean, 5% isn't much more than 0 is it?

 

[jerryskids 7,130]

LOL so 5% is realistic but when I take that to the extreme and make it 0% you call me an idiot? I mean, 5% isn't much more than 0 is it?

 

By some measures it is infinitely more.

[Strike 6,030]

By some measures it is infinitely more.

 

Yeah, I know. It's still pretty damn slim. I'll tell you this. I'm a lot happier with the Lakers at this point than I would be if we swapped teams with the Suns. Because the Lakers are building a championship caliber team that will contend for a decade while the Suns are what they are, and 5% (max) chance of a title is about as good as it's gonna get.

[30 Fat, Bald & Texan 5]

All right - we've gotten strike up from zero to 5%. Now we're approaching realistic.

 

While I agree they're an underdog in any series with Dallas or the Spurs, they can play with Dallas, and the series will hardly be a romp, even if Dallas does win. It wasn't a romp last year, when the Suns were short. Also remember how close Dallas was to losing in the West semis against the Spurs in game 7 - they almost blew that game, and with it the series.

 

The Lakers also won a few times in the 80s with Showtime basketball, it can and has been done.

How many times are you gonna tell us that Phoenix limped into the series with Dallas. I mean c'mon they couldn't win the big game. That was their only problem. If you want to nitpick Dirk had a bad ankle during all of the playoffs but nobody's talking about that.

[Greedo 13]

I'm trying to figure out why everyone's all over Dallas, and down on the Suns, when playoff results don't support those conclusions.

[jerryskids 7,130]

Yeah, I know. It's still pretty damn slim. I'll tell you this. I'm a lot happier with the Lakers at this point than I would be if we swapped teams with the Suns. Because the Lakers are building a championship caliber team that will contend for a decade while the Suns are what they are, and 5% (max) chance of a title is about as good as it's gonna get.

MEOW! I respectfully disagree. The Suns have more draft picks than they know what to do with. Amare may go north or south, but he has clearly improved over the year, so you can't write him off. Marion has several good years ahead of him. Barbosa is developing into a terror; I defy you to find a quicker player off of the ball.

 

The only question is how do you replace Nash in a few years? Of course, you can't. Then again, Kobe will be hard to replace too.

[Strike 6,030]

MEOW! I respectfully disagree. The Suns have more draft picks than they know what to do with. Amare may go north or south, but he has clearly improved over the year, so you can't write him off. Marion has several good years ahead of him. Barbosa is developing into a terror; I defy you to find a quicker player off of the ball.

 

The only question is how do you replace Nash in a few years? Of course, you can't. Then again, Kobe will be hard to replace too.

 

It's not a question of draft picks and/or talent. The Suns have massive talent. They have a horrible system when it comes to winning a championship. They aren't going to get rid of D'antoni because he wins a ton in the regular season so you're stuck with what you got.

 

Steve Nash is 32 years old. Kobe is 28 and in much better shape than Nash. We've got a lot longer to wait than you do before worrying about replacing him.

[Cdub100 3,996]

You sir, are an idiot. They're a Nowitzski shot at the buzzer and an OT loss after 2 days of travel, landing 2 hours before game time to play the Wizards, from a 33 game win streak, and a season split against the Mavs, and they have a 0% chance? Nowitzki misses, Suns win that game, and it's much different.

 

Don't forget, the Suns almost beat the Mavs last year without Bell or Stoudamire. Let's not crown Dallas just yet.

 

Though I live in Phoenix, I see clearly they haven't beaten anyone in the west that matters, and they're certainly an underdog in a series against the Mavs today, but for chrissakes, 0%? Gotta be at least 20-25%.

 

IF YOU WANT TO CROWN EM'? CROWN EM'!

[jerryskids 7,130]

It's not a question of draft picks and/or talent. The Suns have massive talent. They have a horrible system when it comes to winning a championship. They aren't going to get rid of D'antoni because he wins a ton in the regular season so you're stuck with what you got.

 

Steve Nash is 32 years old. Kobe is 28 and in much better shape than Nash. We've got a lot longer to wait than you do before worrying about replacing him.

That system crap is crap. They have a system that works, they bring in players that work in it, every free agent on the planet wants to pad his stats with Nash. It just so happens that the Mavs and Spurs are also hella good. So they've lost the last two years. They are still one of the top 3 NBA teams and will be for years to come. As somebody said earlier, the Lakers won with Showtime, it can be done.

 

That being said, earlier I had voiced my concerns. Their system is less of an advantage in the playoffs, given the time between games and the ability to try to gameplan for them. Doesn't mean they can't win though.

 

BTW, get ready for Nash to win MVP #3. I've watched most games this year, I haven't seen anyone play so dominantly since MJ.

[KSB2424 3,174]

Vegas has these odds to win the NBA championship. Pheonix is actually slightly more favored to win according to the experts. And yes, I consider these the experts. They don't build those multi-million dollar casino's with fools gold.

 

Dallas is 3-1

Pheonix is 5-2