Denver Broncos give Daniel Graham 15 million guaranteed

[edjr 6,598]

[Chronic Husker 85]

They were sour grapes.

[RLLD 4,232]

 

Excellent.

[edjr 6,598]

They were sour grapes.

 

Do you ever say anything that makes one lick of sense?

[surferskin 30]

for once the redskins are being somewhat responsible with their money and the rest of the league is going focking crazy.

[edjr 6,598]

for once the redskins are being somewhat responsible with their money and the rest of the league is going focking crazy.

 

 

they don't have any left to spend.

[Chronic Husker 85]

Do you ever say anything that makes one lick of sense?

Are you a Pats fan? I know a lot of people here think you're a bandwagon fan, but do you consider yourself a Pats fan?

[surferskin 30]

they don't have any left to spend.

when has that stopped them before? people said they didn't have any money last year too.

[SmartassBoiler 0]

Tis the result of a market void of superstars.

[edjr 6,598]

Are you a Pats fan? I know a lot of people here think you're a bandwagon fan, but do you consider yourself a Pats fan?

 

Giving Daniel Graham 15 million up front is laughable.

 

hth

[Chronic Husker 85]

Giving Daniel Graham 15 million up front is laughable.

 

hth

Good job on deflecting. Guess my post did make sense, huh?

[edjr 6,598]

Tis the result of a market void of superstars.

 

They are paying Graham like he's a superstar, it's laughable.

[FranksTanks 0]

He'll be a superstar from now on!

[edjr 6,598]

Good job on deflecting. Guess my post did make sense, huh?

 

any fan of the NFL, cept a Broncos fan knows what a joke this contract is.

 

hth

 

He'll be a superstar from now on!

 

 

Last time a blocking TE was a superstar?

[swirvenirvin 25]

I thought Scheffler was looking pretty good

[edjr 6,598]

I thought Scheffler was looking pretty good

 

That's ok, Graham is best at blocking.

[Guest Davaco]

for once the redskins are being somewhat responsible with their money and the rest of the league is going focking crazy.

 

not really. the skins went crazy when the cap was much lower. those contracts took up way more cap space than these deals

 

with the cap 27% higer than just 2 years ago, you can lop off 4 mil in guarantees (15 x 27%). 11 mil guaranteed over 5 years isnt much

 

Giving Daniel Graham 15 million up front is laughable.

 

hth

 

its not up front, its guaranteed. they could have guaranteed his salary for a few years or spaced out the bonus over a few years.

 

plus, he has to play out the entire deal to get the 30 mil, which he wont. no one in the nfl does.

 

one thing that will happen becasue of the guaranteed money is more trades. look at the NBA, they dont trade players, they trade salaries

[FranksTanks 0]

Last time a blocking TE was a superstar?

 

I can name some blocking WRs that have been superstars in the Broncos system. And TEs usually thrive in Denver. Plus he'll finally have a superstar QB feeding him the rock!

[surferskin 30]

it hurts to say it but i agree with everthing edger said.

[edjr 6,598]

I can name some blocking WRs that have been superstars in the Broncos system. And TEs usually thrive in Denver. Plus he'll finally have a superstar QB feeding him the rock!

 

 

Plummer decided not to retire?

[FranksTanks 0]

Plummer decided not to retire?

 

Plummer did free them up some cash by retiring!

[edjr 6,598]

Plummer did free them up some cash by retiring!

 

To overpay a TE?

 

I have no problem with the Broncos signing graham, but 15 focking million guaranteed??????

[Sho Nuff 720]

I can name some blocking WRs that have been superstars in the Broncos system. And TEs usually thrive in Denver. Plus he'll finally have a superstar QB feeding him the rock!

 

2006 Total of 38 receptions to 3 different TEs

2005 Putz led the way with 37 receptions for TEs...481 yards...0 TDs...1 TD to a TE

2004 A bit better year...but the love was spread around...Putz had the recpetions and decent yards...but only 2 TDs...Hape with 4 TDs but only 8 receptions,

 

 

They had one TE to really thrive and that was Shannon Sharpe...

[wiffleball 4,790]

Shanny's smarter'n me, but I sure don't understand this one:

 

 

Last year, they cut Putzier.

 

+Putzier is an inch taller and the same weight as Graham.

 

+Putzier was top 10 in TE's the last 2 years he played with Den averaging 14 ypc.

 

+ In the same 2-year span, he had more rec and a better ypc than Graham.

 

+ Putzier then goes on to sign a 4 yr $8M with Houston (2M guaranteed)

 

- And they bring in this guy in for 5 yr $30 million - 12M guaranteed?

 

WTF?

 

[RLLD 4,232]

To overpay a TE?

 

I have no problem with the Broncos signing graham, but 15 focking million guaranteed??????

 

I think it is hilarious....

[SmartassBoiler 0]

They are paying Graham like he's a superstar, it's laughable.

 

I understand that, but he's arguably the most talented TE on the market in an overall (catching and blocking) sense. The fact the cap went up and the fact there isn't elite talent at any position in free agency drives the market up, and allows non-elite talent to cash in with elite talent contracts.

[edjr 6,598]

Shanny's smarter'n me, but I sure don't understand this one:

Last year, they cut Putzier.

 

+Putzier is an inch taller and the same weight as Graham.

 

+Putzier was top 10 in TE's the last 2 years he played with Den averaging 14 ypc.

 

+ In the same 2-year span, he had more rec and a better ypc than Graham.

 

+ Putzier then goes on to sign a 4 yr $8M with Houston (2M guaranteed)

 

- And they bring in this guy in for 5 yr $30 million - 12M guaranteed?

 

WTF?

 

 

[chwords] It's pretty obvious, you're just an upset Patriots fan. [chwords]

 

 

Are you a Pats fan? I know a lot of people here think you're a bandwagon fan, but do you consider yourself a Pats fan?

 

Look at all these "patriot fans" chiming in on what great contract this was. Good call champ!

[cgod 0]

It no doubt has to be a big picture thing. With a coach who can run the ball as well as Shanny can to sign one of the better blocking TEs who is also a threat to catch the ball it will open things up even more for Henry, Mike Bell and whoever else is hauling the rock for Denver. Plus, it'll give Cutler another dimension in the game when they can mask runs and passes better. A lot of money? Sure, but hey, there's a reason these guys are running teams and we're sitting here criticizing them.

[Chronic Husker 85]

Shanny's smarter'n me, but I sure don't understand this one:

Last year, they cut Putzier.

 

+Putzier is an inch taller and the same weight as Graham.

 

+Putzier was top 10 in TE's the last 2 years he played with Den averaging 14 ypc.

 

+ In the same 2-year span, he had more rec and a better ypc than Graham.

 

+ Putzier then goes on to sign a 4 yr $8M with Houston (2M guaranteed)

 

- And they bring in this guy in for 5 yr $30 million - 12M guaranteed?

 

WTF?

 

Putzier was a very poor blocker and that's why he was let go. Scheffler's no better. There's no secret why Denver made this move. The running game dropped a notch last year and Shanny's making changes. Traded Foster away. Traded Bell away. Got a blocking TE.

 

I don't have a problem with the signing at all. Graham definitely fills a need. He'll probably be here three years and then gone. If Denver has the money to spend, why save it when you have needs? Overpay for Graham a bit? Probably. But I like his contract a hell of a lot better than the ones Leonard Davis and Welker are getting.

 

Shanahan is a known genius at capology. cmh ranted all year about how Denver was going to be in salary cap trouble this offseason. Sure doesn't look like it to me.

 

I'm glad we have a GM and owner not afraid to go out and do what they have to in order to get players to help their team.

 

[wiffleball 4,790]

As I recall, I think this is a Cap thing from Shanny's perspective.

 

With the comparison I threw out, there's no way that Graham is worth SO much more than Putzier. But last year, as I recall, the Broncos had to clear cap space. Seems like Putz was a cap victim as I recall (could be wrong) They focked up by cutting him to be sure. A year later, after they realized they focked up, the market tightened up on them.

 

but then again, Like I said, Shanny's a crapload smarter than me. Could be none of the above. Just hard to believe Graham is almost 400% better than Putzier.

[cgod 0]

Putzier was a very poor blocker and that's why he was let go. Scheffler's no better. There's no secret why Denver made this move. The running game dropped a notch last year and Shanny's making changes. Traded Foster away. Traded Bell away. Got a blocking TE.

 

I don't have a problem with the signing at all. Graham definitely fills a need. He'll probably be here three years and then gone. If Denver has the money to spend, why save it when you have needs? Overpay for Graham a bit? Probably. But I like his contract a hell of a lot better than the ones Leonard Davis and Welker are getting.

 

Shanahan is a known genius at capology. cmh ranted all year about how Denver was going to be in salary cap trouble this offseason. Sure doesn't look like it to me.

 

I'm glad we have a GM and owner not afraid to go out and do what they have to in order to get players to help their team.

 

What are the numbers you hear on Welker? Seems to me it's not as steep as it was intially reported.

[edjr 6,598]

What are the numbers you hear on Welker? Seems to me it's not as steep as it was intially reported.

 

5 years, 18 million?

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

Plummer did free them up some cash by retiring!

 

Actually, he retired from the Bucs. His trade may have saved them from some space, but it would be the same as if they released him from the roster.

[GettnHuge 2]

yay, leonard davis no longer most overpaid

[RLLD 4,232]

yay, leonard davis no longer most overpaid

 

[edjr 6,598]

yay, leonard davis no longer most overpaid

 

 

ch says you're a patriots fan

[redtodd 7]

Can you imagine what Gonzo would have gotten had he went into Free Agency? I do not think anyone expected this Free Agency would be THIS crazy. Last year people were thinking the Vikings overpaid for Hutchinson (7 years, 49 Million). Now that is the going rate for mediocre guards.

 

The Graham deal is for too much, but that is where the market is going. I actually think he will put up decent receiving numbers in Denver. The Patriots chose to use him more for blocking, but he is still a serious threat in the passing game when he goes out for a catch. Especially after the catch.

[Guest Davaco]

Can you imagine what Gonzo would have gotten had he went into Free Agency? I do not think anyone expected this Free Agency would be THIS crazy. Last year people were thinking the Vikings overpaid for Hutchinson (7 years, 49 Million). Now that is the going rate for mediocre guards.

 

The Graham deal is for too much, but that is where the market is going. I actually think he will put up decent receiving numbers in Denver. The Patriots chose to use him more for blocking, but he is still a serious threat in the passing game when he goes out for a catch. Especially after the catch.

 

the 49 mil signed by todays guards are a lesser percentage of the cap than hutchinson's deal. People are just looking at the $$$$ without putting them into context.

 

a 49,000,000 dollar contact in a 109 mil cap is different than a 49,000,000 dollar contact in a 98 mil cap (or what ever it was last year)

 

as for graham(and every NFL player), he will never see the full 30mil, but with 15 mil guaranteed, it is more of a 3 year 15 mil deal + whatever his base salaries are. or they may guarantee his salary for a few years. 15 mil guaranteed, is not a 15 mil signing bonus. if it was reported as a 3 year 16 mil deal, would anyone even notice?

[redtodd 7]

the 49 mil signed by todays guards are a lesser percentage of the cap than hutchinson's deal. People are just looking at the $$$$ without putting them into context.

 

a 49,000,000 dollar contact in a 109 mil cap is different than a 49,000,000 dollar contact in a 98 mil cap (or what ever it was last year)

 

 

To put it into context, the 49 million example is over 7 years so the contract is averaging 7 million a year.

 

In a 98 million cap, that is 7.1%. In a 109 million cap, it is 6.4%.

 

Which do you think is smarter? Spending 7.1% of your cap on the best or close to the best guard in the league, or 6.4% of your cap on a mediocre guard.

 

 

as for graham(and every NFL player), he will never see the full 30mil, but with 15 mil guaranteed, it is more of a 3 year 15 mil deal + whatever his base salaries are. or they may guarantee his salary for a few years. 15 mil guaranteed, is not a 15 mil signing bonus. if it was reported as a 3 year 16 mil deal, would anyone even notice?

 

Yes, $5+ million a year for a non-top flight TE is a lot and people would still notice.

[Guest Davaco]

To put it into context, the 49 million example is over 7 years so the contract is averaging 7 million a year.

 

In a 98 million cap, that is 7.1%. In a 109 million cap, it is 6.4%.

 

Which do you think is smarter? Spending 7.1% of your cap on the best or close to the best guard in the league, or 6.4% of your cap on a mediocre guard.

Yes, $5+ million a year for a non-top flight TE is a lot and people would still notice.

 

dockery, steinbach and dielman are better than hutch....he got fat off walter jones. just ask the fans in minnesota

 

3 years 16 mil for graham,