BRUTAL cheapshot

[davebg 0]

Which he never did. Hence 23 game suspension. HTH

So, in your mind the legnth of a suspension is not based upon how long the league in question says the player has to sit out...it's how much time the player serves, even if that time is cut short b/c the player turns chicken sh|t and retires, rather than face the music.

 

I guess if McSorley had retired after serving the first 10 games of his original 23 game suspension that would mean that he only got a 10 game suspension.

 

How about if he got hurt riding a motorcycle while he was serving his suspension? I mean, if he was going to be too hurt to play for those games he was suspended anyway, does that count?

 

thats not what Im saying...

 

Im just pointing out that no one outside of hockey knows what good a lot of these guys do...

 

these awful acts cant be tolerated..it was a separate point...all we will hear is..that guy is a thug etc...

There are plenty of players in the NHL who do great things for their fans and in their community...without clubbing someone in the face/neck w/their stick.

[TommyGavin 790]

get yer panties out of a bunch - its hockey MAN UP already. Oh and I agree - the Rfes GAVE the game to the rag$ which is typical NHL bullsnot. that pck was clearly over the line - even Kenny Albert on the radio and Len Berman on NBC said so (rag$ fans and announcers$)

 

[edjr 7,097]

So, in your mind the legnth of a suspension is not based upon how long the league in question says the player has to sit out...it's how much time the player serves, even if that time is cut short b/c the player turns chicken sh|t and retires, rather than face the music.

 

I guess if McSorley had retired after serving the first 10 games of his original 23 game suspension that would mean that he only got a 10 game suspension.

 

How about if he got hurt riding a motorcycle while he was serving his suspension? I mean, if he was going to be too hurt to play for those games he was suspended anyway, does that count?

There are plenty of players in the NHL who do great things for their fans and in their community...without clubbing someone in the face/neck w/their stick.

 

so in your eyes he was suspended for life? he never came back, that must be it.

 

the NHL sees it as a 23 game suspension. google longest suspensions nhl and tell me what you find. does it say 113 games or does it say 23?

[davebg 0]

so in your eyes he was suspended for life? he never came back, that must be it.

 

the NHL sees it as a 23 game suspension. google longest suspensions nhl and tell me what you find. does it say 113 games or does it say 23?

He got suspended for the remainder of the 2000 season, which amounted to 23 games, since the Bruins failed to make the playoffs that year. He had to apply to the NHL for reinstatement in order to play the following season. The NHL extended his suspension until Feb of 2001...at which point McSorley decided to retire. Had he not been 36 and at the end of his career (which would have made a comeback after not playing for close to a full year next to impossible) and had decided to apply for reinstatement, he could not have done so until Feb of 2001, which would have made his suspension longer than 23 games.

 

According to the very first link that comes up when doing the google search you recommended, McSorely only got 23 games. That same link also states that Bertuzzi only got 12 games, plus the playoffs. Does that mean the playoff games don't count towards his offical tally of games he was suspended for just b/c the NHL couldn't specify the exact number of playoff games he'd miss at the time the suspension was handed down? How about the fact that even though the league was locked out for the 2004-2005 season Bertuzzi's supension was, for all intents and purposes, still in effect? While the rest of his NHL buddies were allowed to go overseas and play, Bertuzzi still had not been reinstated by the NHL, which meant that he was forbidden to play for a team in another league.

 

In other words, don't believe everything you read on the internet.

 

Those are the facts...try not to trip over them on your way out the door.

[edjr 7,097]

He got suspended for the remainder of the 2000 season, which amounted to 23 games, since the Bruins failed to make the playoffs that year. He had to apply to the NHL for reinstatement in order to play the following season. The NHL extended his suspension until Feb of 2001...at which point McSorley decided to retire. Had he not been 36 and at the end of his career (which would have made a comeback after not playing for close to a full year next to impossible) and had decided to apply for reinstatement, he could not have done so until Feb of 2001, which would have made his suspension longer than 23 games.

 

According to the very first link that comes up when doing the google search you recommended, McSorely only got 23 games. That same link also states that Bertuzzi only got 12 games, plus the playoffs. Does that mean the playoff games don't count towards his offical tally of games he was suspended for just b/c the NHL couldn't specify the exact number of playoff games he'd miss at the time the suspension was handed down? How about the fact that even though the league was locked out for the 2004-2005 season Bertuzzi's supension was, for all intents and purposes, still in effect? While the rest of his NHL buddies were allowed to go overseas and play, Bertuzzi still had not been reinstated by the NHL, which meant that he was forbidden to play for a team in another league.

 

In other words, don't believe everything you read on the internet.

 

Those are the facts...try not to trip over them on your way out the door.

 

you can't assume a team is going to make the playoffs, especially when it's the Bruins.

 

longest suspension EVER in the NHL 23 games.

 

HTH

[davebg 0]

you can't assume a team is going to make the playoffs, especially when it's the Bruins.

 

longest suspension EVER in the NHL 23 games.

 

HTH

Technically, Bertuzzi's 17 month suspension was the longest ever, but again, don't let the facts get in your way.

[edjr 7,097]

Technically, Bertuzzi's 17 month suspension was the longest ever, but again, don't let the facts get in your way.

 

like arguing with torridjoe.

[davebg 0]

like arguing with torridjoe.

HA! I was thinking the exact same thing about you.

 

At least Torrid didnt resort to childish name calling when he couldn't summon up the intelligence to defend his arguments.

 

The bottom line is that Bertuzzi was banned from playing professional hockey for 17 months as a result of the suspension handed down by the NHL.

 

Again, don't let the FACTS get in the way of your man-love of McSorley.

[Saturday Night Beaver 2]

get yer panties out of a bunch - its hockey MAN UP already. Oh and I agree - the Rfes GAVE the game to the rag$ which is typical NHL bullsnot. that pck was clearly over the line - even Kenny Albert on the radio and Len Berman on NBC said so (rag$ fans and announcers$)

 

 

 

There was no conslusive evidence the puck was over the line. You can not reverse that call.

[t.j 35]

Wow, I had heard about Simon's hit but this is the first I've seen it. That was bad. From the description it sounded like maybe he just shoved the stick into his face (between his hands) but he actually gives the end of the stick a swing into his face. Claer intent to injure IMO. I don't care what the previous longest suspension is, he shouldn't be allowed to play again this year.

[edjr 7,097]

HA! I was thinking the exact same thing about you.

 

At least Torrid didnt resort to childish name calling when he couldn't summon up the intelligence to defend his arguments.

 

The bottom line is that Bertuzzi was banned from playing professional hockey for 17 months as a result of the suspension handed down by the NHL.

 

Again, don't let the FACTS get in the way of your man-love of McSorley.

 

name calling?

 

you were arguing about McSorely had a long suspension, now you're onto Bertuzzi?

[GobbleDog 1,020]

I'm no hockey buff, but if I were commish I'd kick him out of the league. Same goes for the NFL player (forget his name) who stepped on some guys face last year with cleats. Banned from league!

 

Why put up with that crap? If you want to eliminate that kind of play, banning players for life would certainly do it.

[Saturday Night Beaver 2]

I'm no hockey buff, but if I were commish I'd kick him out of the league. Same goes for the NFL player (forget his name) who stepped on some guys face last year with cleats. Banned from league!

 

Why put up with that crap? If you want to eliminate that kind of play, banning players for life would certainly do it.

 

 

Albert Haynesworth- Tenesee Titans.

[GobbleDog 1,020]

Albert Haynesworth- Tenesee Titans.

Thank you. I'm surprised the NFL let him get away with that.

 

I can't understand how something so blatent and criminal which can potentially lead to perminant physical injury is punished with something as simple as a fine and suspension. I wouldn't tolerate it if I was in charge.

[lechuza 0]

Simon has been suspended 5 times already. He is nothing but trash and should not be allowed back in the league

[TommyGavin 790]

Simon has been suspended 5 times already. He is nothing but trash and should not be allowed back in the league

RACIST

[lechuza 0]

RACIST

 

yup

[ROBOKOP 0]

Find me a law book where that is not a crime.

[Odie 0]

get yer panties out of a bunch - its hockey MAN UP already. Oh and I agree - the Rfes GAVE the game to the rag$ which is typical NHL bullsnot. that pck was clearly over the line - even Kenny Albert on the radio and Len Berman on NBC said so (rag$ fans and announcers$)

 

 

without a doubt that went in TG... but so did the puck in mondays game the refs missed and didnt review. Whats good for the goose, is good for the gander my friend.

 

as for the simon hit, ive known him to be a good guy, esp during his days as a ranger. what he did last nite was totally out of his character.

 

He should never be allowed to step on a pro rink again though. It sucks that 2 seconds of misjudgement causes that. But he tried to kill hollweg, and it should be charged as a crime. 2 inches lower, and he takes it in his throat, and hollweg is dead.

 

you cant have players like him on the ice. if it was a ranger who did it, i would have the same stance. As i feel that kasper and when we had ulfie did some pretty crappy things.

 

What sucks, outside from the scalping of hollweg , is that hockey has a lot of good things to look forward to, esp if the Sabres - Sens meet up in a playoff series. But right now, this is the hockey footage the novel hockey fan sees, and turns away from.

 

oh, and the NHL doesnt want the rangers in the playoffs, dont know who said that. If they did, the draft would have been rigged in their favor for crosby. Its the opposite... NHL is punnishing the rangers for their crazy arse spending years ago. YOu prob havent watched many ranger games, but even certain isles/devs fans i watch admit there is a bias against them. Next game, watch how many penalties Jagr should be drawing and how many are actually called. Its absurb.

[ZeroTolerance 584]

25 game suspension minimum, will carry over into playoffs and/or next season.

[TommyGavin 790]

without a doubt that went in TG... but so did the puck in mondays game the refs missed and didnt review. Whats good for the goose, is good for the gander my friend.

 

I'll respond to you Odie because your a cool guy. Your one of the only Ranger fans I know that admitted that it went in.

 

As far as the suspension - it was overboard. There is no way it should of been more then McSorely or Bertuzzi. Bertuzzi's was SO premeditated - like days in advance - and McSorley's wasnt the follow through of a tough check. Simon's was a (bad) reaction to a tough check that SHOULD of been a penalty in itself.

 

[davebg 0]

As far as the suspension - it was overboard. There is no way it should of been more then McSorely or Bertuzzi. Bertuzzi's was SO premeditated - like days in advance - and McSorley's wasnt the follow through of a tough check. Simon's was a (bad) reaction to a tough check that SHOULD of been a penalty in itself.

 

The league is in a different place than it was for the McSorley and Bertuzzi incidents. Make no mistake, Simon's suspension was as much about public relations as it was about precedent.

 

Do you think it was too much b/c you don't think Simon (or any player) should get such a long suspension for what he did or b/c it seems too long in comparison to those two precedents?

[TommyGavin 790]

Do you think it was too much b/c you don't think Simon (or any player) should get such a long suspension for what he did or b/c it seems too long in comparison to those two precedents?

 

Actually I'd look at Emery and Jansens as a reference ( something like 3 games ) and just as bad. Emery slapped someone in the FACE with his goal stick THAT is why I think 25 games is too long.

 

I expected 10 games and thought that was fair.

[BMoney 0]

 

 

What sucks, outside from the scalping of hollweg ,

 

 

thats right...simon is an Indian...well played!

 

 

and while the hit was disgusting and uncalled for..hollweg is not exactly a clean player...

 

the NHL needs to get rid of the instigator penalty so that dirty players like hollweg can get the crap beat out of them fair and square instead of someone reacting the way simon did...

[davebg 0]

Actually I'd look at Emery and Jansens as a reference ( something like 3 games ) and just as bad. Emery slapped someone in the FACE with his goal stick THAT is why I think 25 games is too long.

 

I expected 10 games and thought that was fair.

You also need to consider past records...I don't think Emery and Jansens combined have as many prior NHL suspensions as Simon.

 

Also, in the case of Jansens, I think there's a world of difference between a late hit and a two-handed swing at someone's head/neck w/a stick.

[Sho Nuff 720]

thats right...simon is an Indian...well played!

and while the hit was disgusting and uncalled for..hollweg is not exactly a clean player...

 

the NHL needs to get rid of the instigator penalty so that dirty players like hollweg can get the crap beat out of them fair and square instead of someone reacting the way simon did...

 

It was a clean hit on Simon.

[Foghorn Leghorn 0]

Yep, one full year. He just got a concussion from a puck to the haid by one of his own players so I guess that's a bit of bad karma for him.

 

I'm a Habs fan and I think he prolly shouldn't have been allowed to play again. He could have killed the guy. Just goes to show you how lucky Simon/Hollweg were that he didn't hit him full on.

 

I shudder to think what would have happened if he connected a couple of inches lower.

 

I'll respond to you Odie because your a cool guy. Your one of the only Ranger fans I know that admitted that it went in.

 

As far as the suspension - it was overboard. There is no way it should of been more then McSorely or Bertuzzi. Bertuzzi's was SO premeditated - like days in advance - and McSorley's wasnt the follow through of a tough check. Simon's was a (bad) reaction to a tough check that SHOULD of been a penalty in itself.

 

Sorry Tommy, I have to disagree. Simon's a tough guy, and his gut reaction should have been to drop the gloves and fight man-to-man. Instead, he went after the least protected and most dangerous place he could - the face/neck. I think he got off lucky. And as long as this type of behavior still exists, hockey will never achieve the North American mainstream status that it so desparately seeks.

 

thats right...simon is an Indian...well played!

and while the hit was disgusting and uncalled for..hollweg is not exactly a clean player...

 

the NHL needs to get rid of the instigator penalty so that dirty players like hollweg can get the crap beat out of them fair and square instead of someone reacting the way simon did...

 

Ironically, his team would have been better off with just the instigator penalty, as opposed to the major and match penalties that Simon must have received.