***NCAA Basketball Bubble Talk- 3/9 (Final Weekend Edition)***

[Fumbleweed 555]

Let's get our final look started..........

 

Conferences that only have a shot at one bid (17): America East, Atlantic Sun, Big Sky, Big South, Big West, Ivy, Metro Atlantic, Mid-Continent, Mid-Eastern, Northeast, Ohio Valley, Patriot, Southern, Southland, Sun Belt, SWAC, West Coast.

 

ACC (7): North Carolina, Virginia, Maryland, Virginia Tech, Duke, Boston College, Georgia Tech

 

I know Georgia Tech's loss yesterday was a bad one, but I've still got them in.....for now. Now, if Florida State were to beat UNC today, things could get pretty uncomfortable for the Jackets. If, however, FSU loses handily to the Heels, these are your seven ACC representatives, I think.

 

 

Atlantic Ten (1-2): Xavier

 

Xavier should be in now no matter what. Bubble teams are now rooting for them much like they root for Memphis and Nevada. UMass blew their chance, so the A-10 is a one-bid league if Xavier wins out.

 

 

Big East (7): Georgetown, Pittsburgh, Notre Dame, Marquette, Louisville, Syracuse, Villanova

 

I've got Syracuse as one of my last teams in at the moment, but things could change. I've also got West Virginia as one of my last teams out, so things could also change there if no more bubbles pop. WVU played well yesterday and they deserve to still be under the microscope even if I don't think they quite make it in at the moment.

 

Big Twelve (4): Kansas, Texas A&M, Texas, Texas Tech

 

Is Kansas State-Texas Tech the biggest game of the day? Maybe. A Tech win should get them in to the dance. A loss though could send Kansas State. This league doesn't deserve a fifth bid unless someone comes from nowhere to win the auto spot, so this game today may very well be a play-in contest.

 

Big Ten (6): Ohio State, Wisconsin, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan State, Purdue

 

Here's where things get crazy. If the season ended this morning, I'd put all the Big Ten bubble teams in. BUT....if Purdue or Illinois were to get blown out today, that could change quickly. They're both in for now and if both were to win today, I think this league will get six bids absolutely. I think Michigan State is safely in after yesterday.

 

Colonial (2): Virginia Commenwealth, Old Dominion

 

This league should get two bids...but not three. I think ODU has the advantage over Drexel for that spot, so I've got them in.

 

Conference USA (1-2): Memphis

 

(Repeating).... Yuck. This used to be a very good conference....now, it's just Memphis and everybody else. Memphis is a lock and if they win the conference tourney, C-USA will send one team to the NCAA's. If they get upset, though, two teams are assured of going. Bubble teams everywhere are hoping Memphis wins the tourney title.

 

Horizon (2): Butler, Wright State

 

Two in. No questions asked.

 

Mid-American (1-2): Akron

 

I think Akron is making an interesting case here with a chance to get to 26 wins tonight. They're still on my radar screen, but they must beat Kent tonight to stay there.

 

Missouri Valley (3): Southern Illinois, Creighton, Missouri State

 

A lot of people think Missouri State is in danger of losing a bid. I say not. That win at Wisconsin should hold plenty of weight as should the fact that the Bears were screwed out of bid last year. I think Bradley is going to the NIT. Three bids. Safe bet.

 

Mountain West (3): UNLV, Brigham Young, Air Force

 

Talk about last teams in....I'm keeping Air Force in the field for now, but they've made it hard to do so. They are dangerously close to falling off the bubble after four straight losses and a horrible one to Wyoming yesterday.

 

Pac-10 (5): UCLA, Washington State, USC, Arizona, Oregon

 

Five bids for this league, I think, as Stanford should be heading to the NIT. Their profile is no better than teams like Georgia and Mississippi State at this point.....they're out, IMO.

 

SEC (4): Florida, Tennessee, Kentucky, Vanderbilt

 

Unless something wild happens tomorrow in the semis, still four bids for the SEC. Arkansas could make it interesting. Alabama is out.

 

WAC (1-2): Nevada

 

Nevada is a lock. There are some other good teams here, though....none that would get in at the moment, but one could upset Nevada in the conference tourney and make it in that way. If Nevada does win the conference tourney, however, this will be a one-bid league. Plenty of NIT teams abound below the Wolfpack. If the tournament had 75 teams instead of 65, the WAC might get four bids.

 

Top Sixteen Seeds (as of today):

 

#1- Ohio State, Kansas, Florida, North Carolina

#2- Wisconsin, UCLA, Texas A&M, Georgetown

#3- Memphis, Pittsburgh, Washington State, Southern Illinois

#4- Nevada, Texas, Oregon, Notre Dame

[dirty dug 0]

I'd say Georgia Tech, Stanford and Drexel are about even. If I were selecting I'd go 1. Drexel, 2. Stanford and 3. Tech because a .500 or worse conference record should not be rewarded. I understand the ACC is tough, but so was the Pac 10 and Stanford has to play each team home and away. And Drexel had a great regular season and should be rewarded.

 

Going to be interesting for those last couple bids, great info here.

 

 

Oh, also don't like Oregon as a #4 seed.

[Fumbleweed 555]

I'd say Georgia Tech, Stanford and Drexel are about even. If I were selecting I'd go 1. Drexel, 2. Stanford and 3. Tech because a .500 or worse conference record should not be rewarded. I understand the ACC is tough, but so was the Pac 10 and Stanford has to play each team home and away. And Drexel had a great regular season and should be rewarded.

 

Going to be interesting for those last couple bids, great info here.

 

 

Oh, also don't like Oregon as a #4 seed.

 

The #4 seed will not hold unless they make it to the Pac-10 finals.

[BrahmaBulls 1,010]

I'd say Georgia Tech, Stanford and Drexel are about even. If I were selecting I'd go 1. Drexel, 2. Stanford and 3. Tech because a .500 or worse conference record should not be rewarded. I understand the ACC is tough, but so was the Pac 10 and Stanford has to play each team home and away. And Drexel had a great regular season and should be rewarded.

 

Going to be interesting for those last couple bids, great info here.

 

 

Oh, also don't like Oregon as a #4 seed.

 

Drexel had a great regular season? They finished 4th in a mid-major conference. They were behind Hofstra too.

 

Where are their wins that are more impressive than UNC, Memphis, Duke, FSU Twice, Clemson, and Purdue.

 

Let's get our final look started..........

 

Conferences that only have a shot at one bid (17): America East, Atlantic Sun, Big Sky, Big South, Big West, Ivy, Metro Atlantic, Mid-Continent, Mid-Eastern, Northeast, Ohio Valley, Patriot, Southern, Southland, Sun Belt, SWAC, West Coast.

 

ACC (7): North Carolina, Virginia, Maryland, Virginia Tech, Duke, Boston College, Georgia Tech

 

I know Georgia Tech's loss yesterday was a bad one, but I've still got them in.....for now. Now, if Florida State were to beat UNC today, things could get pretty uncomfortable for the Jackets. If, however, FSU loses handily to the Heels, these are your seven ACC representatives, I think.

 

 

I know many of us think this way but the committee swears they don't hand out bids by conference. So GT is not competing with just FSU for a bid. If FSU wins today, I think the ACC gets 8.

[dirty dug 0]

Drexel had a great regular season? They finished 4th in a mid-major conference. They were behind Hofstra too.

 

 

Drexel finished 23-8 and 13-5 in the CAA (a multi-bid conference). In my way of thinking they should be rewarded over a team who finished 8-8 in conference, even though the ACC is more difficult than the CAA. Only two of your impressing Tech wins are OOC. Drexel won @ Syracuse, @ Villanova, @ St Joseph's. That's three OOC top 100 wins on the road. They currently have a higher RPI than Tech, have a 5-2 OOC road/neutral record (Tech is 1-2). Drexel deserves to be rewarded for their season, IMO. You can't pick your conference and Drexel's OOC record is more impressive, IMO, than Tech's.

[BrahmaBulls 1,010]

Drexel finished 23-8 and 13-5 in the CAA (a multi-bid conference). In my way of thinking they should be rewarded over a team who finished 8-8 in conference, even though the ACC is more difficult than the CAA. Only two of your impressing Tech wins are OOC. Drexel won @ Syracuse, @ Villanova, @ St Joseph's. That's three OOC top 100 wins on the road. They currently have a higher RPI than Tech, have a 5-2 OOC road/neutral record (Tech is 1-2). Drexel deserves to be rewarded for their season, IMO. You can't pick your conference and Drexel's OOC record is more impressive, IMO, than Tech's.

 

So GT isn't impressive? But beating Syracuse and Villanova is. GT finished better than those guys did in a better conference. Villanova was a 9 seed in their own conference for crying out loud. And what the hell is St. Joe's?

 

GT beat Memphis (Top 10), Purdue (same class as 'Nova and 'Cuse), as well as UConn and UGA (both better than St. Joe's). You're on crack.

[Birdseed 1]

I really think Illinois HAS to beat Indiana tonight. The stat that really sticks out for the Illini is that they are 3-8 against teams in the top 50 rpi.

 

[Byars41 0]

Big East (7): Georgetown, Pittsburgh, Notre Dame, Marquette, Louisville, Syracuse, Villanova

 

I've got Syracuse as one of my last teams in at the moment, but things could change. I've also got West Virginia as one of my last teams out, so things could also change there if no more bubbles pop. WVU played well yesterday and they deserve to still be under the microscope even if I don't think they quite make it in at the moment.

 

i'll really feel bad if W.Virginia gets left out. they fought all the way back vs Louisville and should have won that game. up 2 with 4 seconds left. i thought the guy traveled on Louisville on the bucket to tie it. looked like 3 steps to me. it'd be ashame if they don't make it because they lost in Double OT to a srong team like Louisville.

[BrahmaBulls 1,010]

i'll really feel bad if W.Virginia gets left out. they fought all the way back vs Louisville and should have won that game. up 2 with 4 seconds left. i thought the guy traveled on Louisville on the bucket to tie it. looked like 3 steps to me. it'd be ashame if they don't make it because they lost in Double OT to a srong team like Louisville.

 

WVU isn't going to make it because they have only beaten UCLA (without Collison) and Villanova. They didn't beat anyone that finished in the top half of the Big East. A big fat O-fer. Other than UCLA, they have wins over NC State (10th in ACC), Montana, and Marshall. In other words, they've beaten no one except UCLA.

[dirty dug 0]

So GT isn't impressive? But beating Syracuse and Villanova is. GT finished better than those guys did in a better conference. Villanova was a 9 seed in their own conference for crying out loud. And what the hell is St. Joe's?

 

GT beat Memphis (Top 10), Purdue (same class as 'Nova and 'Cuse), as well as UConn and UGA (both better than St. Joe's). You're on crack.

 

You don't play home games in the NCAA tournament, so your road record is highlighted by the committee. Tech is less impressive on the road than Drexel. Tech played 5 OOC top 100 teams and went 3-2. But they were 1-2 on the road. By comparison Drexel went 5-1 vs top 100 OOC and 4-1 on the road.

 

You can't simply reward Tech for being in the ACC. The ACC is probably the toughest league, but Tech finished 8-9 in the league. I don't believe sub .500 teams should be rewarded no matter how tough their conference is (this is a personal opinion). And their only road win in conference is @ Florida State, they are 1-6 on the road in conference.

 

A very legitimate argument can be made for placing Drexel over Tech, especially considering the RPI is higher for Drexel.

[Byars41 0]

So GT isn't impressive? But beating Syracuse and Villanova is. GT finished better than those guys did in a better conference. Villanova was a 9 seed in their own conference for crying out loud. And what the hell is St. Joe's?

 

GT beat Memphis (Top 10), Purdue (same class as 'Nova and 'Cuse), as well as UConn and UGA (both better than St. Joe's). You're on crack.

 

 

they keep saying that the biggest thing the committee looks for is your out of conference schedule and road wins. they say Drexel really delivers big time in both categories so they committee could reward them. also, the fact that G-Mason from the CAA went final 4 last year could help Drexel's case.

 

CNNSI.com's Seth Davis wrote a short piece on all this: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writ...ghts/index.html

 

 

 

 

 

WVU isn't going to make it because they have only beaten UCLA (without Collison) and Villanova. They didn't beat anyone that finished in the top half of the Big East. A big fat O-fer. Other than UCLA, they have wins over NC State (10th in ACC), Montana, and Marshall. In other words, they've beaten no one except UCLA.

 

understood

 

that said though, the consensus seemed to be that if they won yesterday, to get 2 wins in the Big East Tournament, they were going to be IN. and they had the game won but L'ville got away with a walk on the tieing basket. just seems like a crime that your fate might be sealed that way.

[BrahmaBulls 1,010]

You don't play home games in the NCAA tournament, so your road record is highlighted by the committee. Tech is less impressive on the road than Drexel. Tech played 5 OOC top 100 teams and went 3-2. But they were 1-2 on the road. By comparison Drexel went 5-1 vs top 100 OOC and 4-1 on the road.

 

You can't simply reward Tech for being in the ACC. The ACC is probably the toughest league, but Tech finished 8-9 in the league. I don't believe sub .500 teams should be rewarded no matter how tough their conference is (this is a personal opinion). And their only road win in conference is @ Florida State, they are 1-6 on the road in conference.

 

A very legitimate argument can be made for placing Drexel over Tech, especially considering the RPI is higher for Drexel.

 

GT beat both Memphis and Purdue away from home. GT has played 16 games against the Top 50 and won half of them. This isn't even an argument.

[dirty dug 0]

GT beat both Memphis and Purdue away from home. GT has played 16 games against the Top 50 and won half of them. This isn't even an argument.

 

OK, so they were 2-2 on the road OOC. There is still an argument, clearly, as these are two of the bubble teams and half the people say Tech is in and half say Drexel.

 

[BrahmaBulls 1,010]

OK, so they were 2-2 on the road OOC. There is still an argument, clearly, as these are two of the bubble teams and half the people say Tech is in and half say Drexel.

 

 

Can you link to the people that say GT is out?

 

I'm not saying Drexel is out. I'm saying GT clearly gets in before Drexel. I think ODU does too.

[ETSDAD 0]

I don't see how Illinois and Purdue, along with Air Force can be in over Kansas State. One of those Big 10 teams....fine. But the fourth place finish in the Big 12, 21 wins (8 road wins), 10 conference wins, and wins on the road against Texas and neutral court against USC should be enough to get them in. The committee will take into account that it took the new coach a period of time to get his team on the same page (thus the road losses against New Mexico, Cal and Colorado St.). This is an entirely different team than the one that lost those games.

[dirty dug 0]

Can you link to the people that say GT is out?

 

I'm not saying Drexel is out. I'm saying GT clearly gets in before Drexel. I think ODU does too.

 

All I'm saying is that Georgia Tech is one of the last four team, IMO and I could see Drexel going in ahead of them. It's very easy for the committee to see Tech's loss to Wake as a nail in the coffin. Again, the three teams you mention Drexel, ODU and Tech the RPI's are as follows:

Drexel

ODU

Tech

 

Both ODU and Drexel have better road records vs top 100 OOC. All these things could play into leaving Tech out.

 

We'll find out on Sunday.

[BrahmaBulls 1,010]

All I'm saying is that Georgia Tech is one of the last four team, IMO and I could see Drexel going in ahead of them. It's very easy for the committee to see Tech's loss to Wake as a nail in the coffin. Again, the three teams you mention Drexel, ODU and Tech the RPI's are as follows:

Drexel

ODU

Tech

 

Both ODU and Drexel have better road records vs top 100 OOC. All these things could play into leaving Tech out.

 

We'll find out on Sunday.

 

Dude, Drexel doesn't have a single win more impressive than GT's win over UNC, Memphis, Duke, and BC. WF isn't a nail in the coffin anymore than GT beating BC sealed their bid. It's about the total body of work and their's is much better than Drexels. Period.

[Fumbleweed 555]

You don't play home games in the NCAA tournament, so your road record is highlighted by the committee. Tech is less impressive on the road than Drexel. Tech played 5 OOC top 100 teams and went 3-2. But they were 1-2 on the road. By comparison Drexel went 5-1 vs top 100 OOC and 4-1 on the road.

 

You can't simply reward Tech for being in the ACC. The ACC is probably the toughest league, but Tech finished 8-9 in the league. I don't believe sub .500 teams should be rewarded no matter how tough their conference is (this is a personal opinion). And their only road win in conference is @ Florida State, they are 1-6 on the road in conference.

 

A very legitimate argument can be made for placing Drexel over Tech, especially considering the RPI is higher for Drexel.

 

To be fair, you have stated on several occasions that you hate the RPI, so I think it's important if you're going to throw it into the argument that you clarify that a bit. I like the RPI. I think it helps the committee out quite a bit.

 

As for the person defending Kansas State, they arrived at their gaudy conference record vs. the Big 12 North....which is by most accounts a sub-conference worse than the better mid-major conferences. The win against Texas was big, but I don't think it will be enough if they lose today. Their RPI will be about 60 with a real lack of clout minus the Texas victory.

[dirty dug 0]

To be fair, you have stated on several occasions that you hate the RPI, so I think it's important if you're going to throw it into the argument that you clarify that a bit. I like the RPI. I think it helps the committee out quite a bit.

 

As for the person defending Kansas State, they arrived at their gaudy conference record vs. the Big 12 North....which is by most accounts a sub-conference worse than the better mid-major conferences. The win against Texas was big, but I don't think it will be enough if they lose today. Their RPI will be about 60 with a real lack of clout minus the Texas victory.

 

I do hate the RPI, but I'm realistic in thinking it will be used. My "argument" is using the RPI effectively, I believe. I simply feel it's a flawed ranking system (USC fell several spots in the real time RPI yesterday before playing. Did USC somehow get worse lacing up their shoes? That and Oregon and Arizona are both ranked well above USC yet USC swept them both this year.)

[Fumbleweed 555]

I do hate the RPI, but I'm realistic in thinking it will be used. My "argument" is using the RPI effectively, I believe. I simply feel it's a flawed ranking system (USC fell several spots in the real time RPI yesterday before playing. Did USC somehow get worse lacing up their shoes? That and Oregon and Arizona are both ranked well above USC yet USC swept them both this year.)

 

Your RPI can fall without you playing because your yearly opponents can win or lose, affecting the computer ranking of their strength as an opponent.

[dirty dug 0]

Your RPI can fall without you playing because your yearly opponents can win or lose, affecting the computer ranking of their strength as an opponent.

 

You missed my point. What team A does long after team B beat it should not have an effect on team B, IMO. It's one of those philosophical arguments, you know. I can see both sides but I chose to dislike the side I dislike more.

[JT 137]

Dude, Drexel doesn't have a single win more impressive than GT's win over UNC, Memphis, Duke, and BC. WF isn't a nail in the coffin anymore than GT beating BC sealed their bid. It's about the total body of work and their's is much better than Drexels. Period.

 

GT has one road win since Thanksgiving. Their biggest wins (and UNC is a good win) are at home vs conference opponents. The Memphis & Purdue wins were in the first two games of the season on a neutral court. Memphis is coming from a single bid conference. Duke has lost 7 of their last 11.

 

Drexel has road wins @ Creighton, Syracuse & Nova since December. True road wins, on the other guy's floor. They're 23-8 overall, and achieved that record while playing 14 true road games.

 

If I'm seeding the field, I take Drexel. Right now, in the real world, I think both need help.

 

You can talk all the ACC, RPI and SOS you want, but there's an old saying "You gonna believe me or your lying eyes?" If you've watched Drexel play, there's no question they can hold their own vs anyone in the country. Is the ACC, top to bottom, better than the CAA? Sure. But the top three teams in each would put on a pretty entertaining show. Only UNC is clearly superior to VCU, ODU and Drexel.

 

The performance of mid-major teams the last few years clearly shows that their best teams are playing the same caliber basketball as the big boys. Big conference fans want everyone in their conference in because their 4-8 teams are better than the those of the mid-majors. Who cares? It's not a tournament to see how deep a conference is. It's a tournament that's supposed to reward those teams that have had the best seasons based on the criteria that are relative to the tournament: how did you fare in road games, how did you fare vs other tourney-caliber teams (Top 100), and how did you finish the season. My contention, and that of some other people, is that Drexel did a better job in those categories.

[rallo 139]

Do you think purdue gets in even if they lose to iowa today??? I mean the returning big ten tournament champions have some pride on the line here... plus every game could be haluska's last... i think iowa takes this quarterfinal game.

 

also... the mich ohio st game is fairly close right now... if mich somehow pulls it out do they get a bid??? or do they still not have enough quality wins???

[BrahmaBulls 1,010]

GT has one road win since Thanksgiving. Their biggest wins (and UNC is a good win) are at home vs conference opponents. The Memphis & Purdue wins were in the first two games of the season on a neutral court. Memphis is coming from a single bid conference. Duke has lost 7 of their last 11.

 

Drexel has road wins @ Creighton, Syracuse & Nova since December. True road wins, on the other guy's floor. They're 23-8 overall, and achieved that record while playing 14 true road games.

 

If I'm seeding the field, I take Drexel. Right now, in the real world, I think both need help.

 

You can talk all the ACC, RPI and SOS you want, but there's an old saying "You gonna believe me or your lying eyes?" If you've watched Drexel play, there's no question they can hold their own vs anyone in the country. Is the ACC, top to bottom, better than the CAA? Sure. But the top three teams in each would put on a pretty entertaining show. Only UNC is clearly superior to VCU, ODU and Drexel.

 

The performance of mid-major teams the last few years clearly shows that their best teams are playing the same caliber basketball as the big boys. Big conference fans want everyone in their conference in because their 4-8 teams are better than the those of the mid-majors. Who cares? It's not a tournament to see how deep a conference is. It's a tournament that's supposed to reward those teams that have had the best seasons based on the criteria that are relative to the tournament: how did you fare in road games, how did you fare vs other tourney-caliber teams (Top 100), and how did you finish the season. My contention, and that of some other people, is that Drexel did a better job in those categories.

 

1. I have no doubt Drexel can hold their own. Trust me, I'm a big fan of the CAA. But Ga Tech has held their own against the best of the best. And finishing in the top half of the best conference in the country gets you a bid.

 

2. Drexel need not worry about GT. Drexel needs to compare themselves with real bubble teams like K-State, WVU, Missouri St, Purdue, Illinois, and the SEC West. That's their competition for a spot.

 

3. If we're going to talk road games, let's throw another team in the mix. Duke. Duke played ZERO non-conference games on an opponent's home floor this year. They were awful down the stretch in February. They finished behind GT in the ACC standings. Maybe Drexel ought to be comparing themselves to Duke.

[ETSDAD 0]

As for the person defending Kansas State, they arrived at their gaudy conference record vs. the Big 12 North....which is by most accounts a sub-conference worse than the better mid-major conferences. The win against Texas was big, but I don't think it will be enough if they lose today. Their RPI will be about 60 with a real lack of clout minus the Texas victory.

 

The Big 12 North isn't great, but it isn't any worse (or better) than the middle to bottom of the Big 10. Penn St., Northwestern, Minnesota is no different than Colorado, Iowa St. and Nebraska. They also beat USC and they've won games on the road. Where's the "clout" from Illinois or Purdue? Purdue beat Virginia (in November) and Indiana, both at home. That's their only two wins of consequence. Illinois "clout" are wins against Indiana and Mich. St. at home.

 

I realize we all need to compartmentalize these teams, and find reasons to disregard. KSU hasn't been on the radar in some time, so they're easily dismissed. Problem is, it's not accurate.

[MahSoonerz 0]

I think Purdue made a real statement today against Iowa. K-State is currently beating the tar out of Texas Tech. Mississippi St beating Kentucky in OT is huge too. I think all three are in, assuming the K-State win holds up. At least I'd like to see somebody from the SEC West get in.

 

So, if the Big 12 North stinks so much, what does that say about Kansas' seeding?

[rallo 139]

I think Purdue made a real statement today against Iowa.

 

 

that was a painful game to watch today. Officials apparently needed to be heard here. Unreal some of the fouls they called, especially away from the ball. Granted it was called both ways, but the ticky-tac foul calling helping the boilermakers out a lot because they really don't have an inner post presence. Landry is a great player, but simply too small to be their main post threat. i honestly feel they will be handled by OSU... the officials will not call those kind of ticky-tac fouls on Oden like they did on Looby.

 

All that aside... purdue shot lights out from 3-point range... at one point i wanna say they were 7-9, it was unreal. They proved that they can play at a high level. How far will they go in the "big dance"? Well as far as the officials will let them IMO. Now this is no knock on purdue, but if the officials aren't stopping play constantly and not calling multiple questionable fouls during post play then i think they really can't compete with a team with a decent inside game. Now... if the officials call it tight i believe their 3-point shooting, and landry's slashing to the basket make them a good matchup with just about any team.

 

a great game played by purdue today overshadowed by overactive officiating

[Fumbleweed 555]

I think Purdue made a real statement today against Iowa. K-State is currently beating the tar out of Texas Tech. Mississippi St beating Kentucky in OT is huge too. I think all three are in, assuming the K-State win holds up. At least I'd like to see somebody from the SEC West get in.

 

So, if the Big 12 North stinks so much, what does that say about Kansas' seeding?

 

The win by Mississippi State was nice (although painful for me personally), but it by no means gets them into the tournament.

 

As for Purdue and Kansas State, those were signature wins. Texas Tech could be in real trouble...and probably should be with a dismal showing today. But, they were better equipped than Kansas State to lose the game today and still have a shot. What the committee can't do now is put Texas Tech in and leave Kansas State out. That would be impossible to do.

[jackie sherrill 0]

The win by Mississippi State was nice (although painful for me personally), but it by no means gets them into the tournament.

 

 

 

I agree, I think we still need Vandy to beat Arkansas right now to give us a bigger opponent (has that ever before been said in basketball) and need to beat Vandy to get to the final. If that happens, I think the Bulldogs are in.

[cmh6476 1,178]

as I have been saying all along, the Big 12 will get 5 teams in. Texas Tech deserves to go with some impressive wins (A&M x2, KU,...) and K-State deserves to be in with 21 conference victories

 

 

 

Mizzou, however, does not.

[Fumbleweed 555]

 

Mizzou, however, does not.

 

Was there some question about this?

 

The Big 12 is in a better position to get 5 in than they were a couple of hours ago, but I think Texas Tech's performance today will stick in the committee's mind.

 

Tech had some huge wins this year, but also laid some huge eggs. They were a schizophrenic team and so while the big wins were great, they only tell part of the story.

[ZeroTolerance 584]

Time to take a look at what I missed....

 

- K-State in, Tech back to the bubble

- Purdue should be in now

- Miss St, Arkansas still alive for now

- Florida St should be done

 

One-bid conferences (22): America East, Atlantic Sun, Atlantic 10, Big Sky, Big South, Big West, Colonial, Conference USA, Ivy, MAAC, Mid-Continent, Mid American, MEAC, Northeast, Ohio Valley, Patriot, Southern, Southland, SWAC, Sun Belt, West Coast, WAC

 

ACC (6): North Carolina, Duke, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Boston College, Maryland

Big 12 (3): Kansas, Texas A&M, Texas

Big East (7): Georgetown, Pittsburgh, Marquette, Louisville, Notre Dame, Villanova, Syracuse

Big Ten (4): Ohio St, Wisconsin, Indiana, Michigan St

Horizon (2): Wright St, Butler

Missouri Valley (2): Southern Illinois, Creighton

Mountain West (2): BYU, UNLV

Pac 10 (5): UCLA, Washington St, USC, Oregon, Arizona

SEC (4): Florida, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Tennessee

 

57 there leaves 9 spots

1-3 spots can be stolen from Atlantic 10, C-USA, WAC

 

12 teams vying for 9 spots:

 

Air Force (22-8, 10-6, 32 RPI)

Missouri St (21-10, 12-6, 35 RPI)

Illinois (22-10, 9-7, 38 RPI)

Old Dominion (24-8, 15-3, 39 RPI)

Drexel (22-8, 13-5, 40 RPI)

Florida St (20-12, 7-9, 41 RPI)

Purdue (21-10, 9-7, 43 RPI)

Georgia Tech (20-11, 8-8, 50 RPI)

Texas Tech (21-12, 9-7, 52 RPI)

Kansas St (21-10, 10-6, 58 RPI)

West Virginia (21-9, 9-7, 60 RPI)

Stanford (18-12, 10-8, 65 RPI)

 

 

ACC

 

----Georgia Tech (20-10, 8-8, 50 RPI)

------------Positives: 8-8 vs RPI Top 50, 7-3 last 10

------------Negatives: 1-8 road, 4-3 vs RPI 101-200, 1st round loss to WF

------------Best wins: at Memphis, North Carolina

 

----Florida St (20-12, 7-9, 41 RPI)

------------Positives: ACC RPI (1st), 17 SoS

------------Negatives: 7-9 in conference, 4-8 road, 5-12 vs RPI Top 50

------------Best wins: Florida, at Duke

 

Big 12

 

----Kansas St (21-10, 10-6, 58 RPI)

------------Positives: 4th place in Big 12, 21 pt win over Texas Tech (N)

------------Negatives: 2-5 vs RPI Top 50, 9-3 vs RPI 101-200, poor RPI, 92 SoS

------------Best wins: at USC, at Texas

 

----Texas Tech (21-12, 9-7, 52 RPI)

------------Positives: 3-0 vs Kansas/Texas A&M, 32 SoS

------------Negatives: 4-5 vs RPI 51-100, 8-3 vs RPI 101-200, 21 pt loss to Kansas St (N)

------------Best wins: Kansas, Texas A&M (twice), at Kansas St

 

Big East

 

----West Virginia (21-9, 9-7, 60 RPI)

------------Positives:

------------Negatives: 3-6 road, 2-7 vs RPI Top 50, 94 SoS, 5-5 last 10

------------Best wins: UCLA

 

Big Ten

 

----Illinois (22-10, 9-7, 38 RPI)

------------Positives: t-4th in Big Ten, 32 SoS (will improve), 7-3 last 10

------------Negatives: 3-8 vs RPI Top 50, 3-5 road, lack of quality wins

------------Best wins: at Missouri, at Bradley

 

----Purdue (21-10, 9-7, 43 RPI)

------------Positives: t-4th in Big Ten, 24 pt win vs Michigan St, head-to-head win vs Illinois

------------Negatives: 2-7 road, 7-2 vs RPI 101-200

------------Best wins: Virginia

 

Colonial

 

----Old Dominion (24-8, 15-3, 39 RPI)

------------Positives: 2nd in Colonial, 8-5 road, 4-3 vs RPI Top 50, 9-1 last 10, swept Drexel

------------Negatives: 2-2 vs RPI 51-100, 1 loss to RPI 200+

------------Best wins: at Georgetown, at Drexel, at Toledo

 

----Drexel (22-8, 13-5, 40 RPI)

------------Positives: 12-5 road, 7-3 last 10

------------Negatives: 4th in Colonial, 2 losses to RPI 101+, 1-5 vs Hofstra/ODU/VCU

------------Best wins: at Vermont, at Villanova, at Syracuse, at Hofstra, at Creighton

 

Missouri Valley

 

----Missouri St (21-10, 12-6, 35 RPI)

------------Positives: 8-4 road, 3rd in MVC, 37 SoS, 7-3 last 10

------------Negatives: 6-4 vs RPI 51-100

------------Best wins: Wisconsin (N), at Bradley, at Wichita St

 

Mountain West

 

----Air Force (22-7, 10-6, 32 RPI)

------------Positives: 10-7 road/neutral, 5-1 vs RPI 51-100

------------Negatives: 4-6 last 10, 9-3 vs RPI 101-200, 75 SoS

------------Best wins: at Stanford, Texas Tech (N)

 

Pac 10

 

----Stanford (18-12, 10-8, 65 RPI)

------------Positives:

------------Negatives: 6th in Pac 10, 5-6 road, 4-4 vs RPI Top 50-100, 4-6 last 10

------------Best wins: at Virginia, UCLA

 

Air Force, Stanford, Florida St, West Virginia seem the weakest of the bunch but I expect one of them to get in. Kansas St just needs to be avoid embarassment against Kansas to clinch. Illinois likely cements a bid with a win over Indiana, and Purdue is looking real good. Georgia Tech should be safe with the 8-8 ACC record and 8 Top 50 wins (though a bad loss in the opening round and a pathetic 1-8 road record won't make their wait pleasant) while FSU is highly unlikely to make the field. Old Dominion, Drexel, and Missouri St are feeling better about their chances after the past two days.

[Fumbleweed 555]

Time to take a look at what I missed....

 

- K-State in, Tech back to the bubble

- Purdue should be in now

- Miss St, Arkansas still alive for now

- Florida St should be done

 

With Kentucky, Tennessee, and Vandy all out, if Florida were to lose, the SEC would get a fifth bid. It's something to keep an eye on.

[t.j 35]

Wisconsin beat State. GTown and Notre Dame in a close game late. Florida up 35-14 against UGA.

[MahSoonerz 0]

So is Oklahoma St worth talking about again after beating A&M?

 

So, when NC State wins the ACC tournament, where do they get seeded?

[ZeroTolerance 584]

So is Oklahoma St worth talking about again after beating A&M?

 

So, when NC State wins the ACC tournament, where do they get seeded?

If they had salvaged ANY of their games in the last week, maybe, but not at 6-10 in the Big 12. Auto bid or bust.

 

More importantly...Xavier loses, A-10 will steal a bid from the bubble pool.

 

And don't look now, but Utah St is giving Nevada a game. Potential bubble carnage.

[JT 137]

If they had salvaged ANY of their games in the last week, maybe, but not at 6-10 in the Big 12. Auto bid or bust.

 

More importantly...Xavier loses, A-10 will steal a bid from the bubble pool.

 

And don't look now, but Utah St is giving Nevada a game. Potential bubble carnage.

 

Absolutely right on Ok State. Win the tourney or go to the NIT.

 

The Xavier loss is big, a killer for somebody.

 

I still believe that the Tx Tech-K St loser (Tech) is done.

 

Miss State has t win their tourney to get in. Making the final isn't enough.

 

At best, either Ga Tech or FSU is in. No way both make it.

[BrahmaBulls 1,010]

I think the last 4 spots now belong to Illinois, ODU, Xavier, and K-State.

 

The first 3 out are Stanford, Drexel, and Missouri State. The SEC will bump someone else if Florida doesn't win the tournament. These guys should be rooting hard for UNC and Va Tech in the ACC.

 

No idea what will happen with Okla State after they beat A&M tonight. They probably need to win the Big 12 Tournament but who knows.

[BrahmaBulls 1,010]

I think the last 4 spots now belong to Illinois, ODU, Xavier, and K-State.

 

The first 3 out are Stanford, Drexel, and Missouri State. The SEC will bump someone else if Florida doesn't win the tournament. These guys should be rooting hard for UNC and Va Tech in the ACC.

 

No idea what will happen with Okla State after they beat A&M tonight. They probably need to win the Big 12 Tournament but who knows.

 

Nevada about to get beat which will give the WAC two bids. ODU, Xavier, K-State, and Illinois better be nervous.

[ZeroTolerance 584]

I'm currently thinking the field is at:

 

One-bid conferences (20): America East, Atlantic Sun, Big Sky, Big South, Big West, Colonial, Conference USA, Ivy, MAAC, Mid-Continent, Mid American, MEAC, Northeast, Ohio Valley, Patriot, Southern, Southland, SWAC, Sun Belt, West Coast

 

ACC (6): North Carolina, Duke, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Boston College, Maryland

A-10 (2): Xavier, auto-bid

Big 12 (3): Kansas, Texas A&M, Texas

Big East (7): Georgetown, Pittsburgh, Marquette, Louisville, Notre Dame, Villanova, Syracuse

Big Ten (4): Ohio St, Wisconsin, Indiana, Michigan St

Horizon (2): Wright St, Butler

Missouri Valley (2): Southern Illinois, Creighton

Mountain West (2): BYU, UNLV

Pac 10 (5): UCLA, Washington St, USC, Oregon, Arizona

SEC (4): Florida, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Tennessee

WAC (2): Nevada, auto-bid

 

With the last 6 as: Purdue, Kansas St, Georgia Tech, Old Dominion, Illinois, Texas Tech

 

Today has been a nightmare for Drexel, Missouri St, West Virginia. An Illinois loss to Indiana could push one of them ahead of the Illini, and there is still a chance Texas Tech could be left out after getting rolled today. Air Force seems destined once again to be a high-RPI omission after a complete collapse.