Zach Johnson just HAD to play the jesus card, didn't he?

[surferskin 30]

YOUR GRANDFATHER WAS REAL! THERE IS PROOF OF HIS EXISTANCE!!!! YOU MET HIM!! HE IS ONE OF THE REASONS YOU ARE ALIVE!!! are you really that STUPID?

you don't think there's proof that Jesus Christ existed?

[edjr 6,733]

Beats some guy crying like a baby saying his dead daddy was with him all the way.

 

 

His dead father was a REAL person. Someone he met, someone he knows existed. it's better to cry about a fictional character from a book????????

[IndyTom 0]

the guy just took down tiger woods and won the masters - get over it. i'd much rather see this than a nba/nfl wr type who stands in front of a mike grabbing their johnson saying, "know-what-i'm-sayin, know-what-i'm-sayin, know-what-i'm-sayin."

 

You mean you didn't like Florida's Noah - whose dad is French and whose Mom is Swedish, to say "Yo Yo Yo! In Da House, et.al." ?

[edjr 6,733]

you don't think there's proof that Jesus Christ existed?

 

A man existed that people call Jesus Christ, yes. Was he really the son of god? You have proof of that?

 

This the same guy that you think turned water into wine?

 

yeah that happend.

[Bert 1,128]

 

His dead father was a REAL person. Someone he met, someone he knows existed. it's better to cry about a fictional character from a book????????

 

But there "spirt" is not real!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[surferskin 30]

A man existed that people call Jesus Christ, yes.

[Sho Nuff 720]

A man existed that people call Jesus Christ, yes. Was he really the son of god? You have proof of that?

 

This the same guy that you think turned water into wine?

 

yeah that happend.

 

Your claim was that the person existed...that Jesus is a fictional character from a book.

You are factually incorrect. Jesus was a real person.

 

Beliefs on what he did are completely different.

 

But why does it bother you so much that anyone would devote their lives to believing in something/someone like God/Jesus? Why does it bother you that they thank who they believe is their savior and creator for giving them the talent and strength to do things in life?

[edjr 6,733]

But there "spirt" is not real!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Of course not, but at least the persons "spirit" he "felt" was real.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Of course not, but at least the persons "spirit" he "felt" was real.

 

Jesus is/was real too.

[Snoopy1 0]

you don't think there's proof that Jesus Christ existed?

 

 

And now for the Edjr backtrack tango!

[edjr 6,733]

 

 

But why does it bother you so much that anyone would devote their lives to believing in something/someone like God/Jesus? Why does it bother you that they thank who they believe is their savior and creator for giving them the talent and strength to do things in life?

 

I want to know why they don't they BLAME jesus/god when they don't win? Where was god/jesus when they needed to make the 6 foot putt to win? Why does god/jesus only show up when they win? I'd like to think they owe their talent to their parents and to genes and fate, and their own dedication and practice a lot more than an invisible man in the sky.

[Snoopy1 0]

I want to know why they don't they BLAME jesus/god when they don't win? Where was god/jesus when they needed to make the 6 foot putt to win? Why does god/jesus only show up when they win? I'd like to think they owe their talent to their parents and to genes and fate, and their own dedication and practice a lot more than an invisible man in the sky.

 

 

You are twisting what he said, he NEVER said Jesus was the reason he won, but he gave him strength, he was there with him. THAT"S IT.

 

I bet if you ask him about his other tournies, he says Jesus was there with him then too.

[edjr 6,733]

You are twisting what he said, he NEVER said Jesus was the reason he won, but he gave him strength, he was there with him. THAT"S IT.

 

I bet if you ask him about his other tournies, he says Jesus was there with him then too.

 

I'm twisting what he said? you're the king of that, you should know.

 

I'm sorry but Jesus gave him nothing. his parents did.

[brinett9 0]

Yeah, edjr, I'm sure he comes out of the bathroom all the time after taking a huge dump and says, "Jesus was with me the whole time."

[Sho Nuff 720]

I want to know why they don't they BLAME jesus/god when they don't win? Where was god/jesus when they needed to make the 6 foot putt to win? Why does god/jesus only show up when they win? I'd like to think they owe their talent to their parents and to genes and fate, and their own dedication and practice a lot more than an invisible man in the sky.

 

Why would they blame him? They know its not Jesus'/God's fault. Just like they don't claim Jesus/God made them win in the first place.

 

Perhaps if you actually understood what they were saying...rather than spinning their comments...you would have a point.

 

You can think what you wish...but why does it bother you that others do not believe the same as you do?

 

 

I'm sorry but Jesus gave him nothing. his parents did.

 

That is your opinion...but something you most certainly cannot prove.

[edjr 6,733]

 

 

That is your opinion...but something you most certainly cannot prove.

 

 

so he didn't get his genes from his parents, he got them from jesus?

[Snoopy1 0]

I'm twisting what he said? you're the king of that, you should know.

 

I'm sorry but Jesus gave him nothing. his parents did.

 

 

LOL, yeah I'm the king of that.

 

Again, he was asked how he stayed calm durning the pressure filled back nine.

 

He replies Jesus gave him the strength and was with him during the day. He never says Jesus won it for him, Jesus made the putt go in...

 

You have twisted what he said to try and make your arguement, then as usual change your arguements as you get owned over and over again.

[surferskin 30]

You can think what you wish...but why does it bother you that others do not believe the same as you do?

because edjr is obviously insecure about what he believes/ doesn't believe and deep down he knows he's wrong and hates being reminded of it.

[lennie75 0]

 

so he didn't get his genes from his parents, he got them from jesus?

i feel sorry for you ed. You must be the most unhappy man on Earth. It really shows in your comments...anyone that has to argue about someone elses beliefs...must just not believe in their own!!!

[Electric Mayhem 35]

Not to speak for ed, but the reason I don't like to hear people mention their faith in their interviews is that in a second they transform themselves from a hard working athlete that overcame the odds and had a brilliant outing into just another religious zealot.

 

It's kinda like the end of Invasion of the Body Snatchers when Donald Sutherland fights and fights against the pod people for the whole movie and then at the end you find out he was taken.

[Big Blue 06 195]

because edjr is obviously insecure about what he believes/ doesn't believe and deep down he knows he's wrong and hates being reminded of it.

 

I don't know about edjr in particular, but I think this is generally true of those that go out of their way to argue and disprove what others believe.

 

Not to speak for ed, but the reason I don't like to hear people mention their faith in their interviews is that in a second they transform themselves from a hard working athlete that overcame the odds and had a brilliant outing into just another religious zealot.

 

It's kinda like the end of Invasion of the Body Snatchers when Donald Sutherland fights and fights against the pod people for the whole movie and then at the end you find out he was taken.

 

Wow, you're dumber than I thought.

 

So anyone that belives in a higher power is a religious zealot??

[Mephisto 15]

You are twisting what he said, he NEVER said Jesus was the reason he won, but he gave him strength, he was there with him. THAT"S IT.

 

I bet if you ask him about his other tournies, he says Jesus was there with him then too.

 

 

Ummm... actually, that's not entirely true (and I don't give a crap what he says). I feel compelled to correct you who have said what you claim above. He may have also said that... but there was a long-winded segment of the post-match interview where he said (somewhat paraphrased):

 

"There are a lot of people who deserve credit... my coach, my wife, my this, my that, my blah, blah, blah... but the bottom line is God and I give him all the credit for my win today."

 

He absolutely said that.

 

And for those who don't believe that people don't blame God when they fock up... I've certainly heard more than my share of exclamations of "JEEBUS CHRIST!" after a bad shot, bad play, bad pitch.... Now, I can't say that I've seen an interview where someone said, "I tried really hard and did my best to draw on the spirit of my Lord and Savior... but he focked me up all kinds of ways today and I blame His failure to materialize on my double-bogey on 14."

 

[edjr 6,733]

i feel sorry for you ed. You must be the most unhappy man on Earth. It really shows in your comments...anyone that has to argue about someone elses beliefs...must just not believe in their own!!!

 

So he got his genes from Jesus and not his parents?

 

Ummm... actually, that's not entirely true (and I don't give a crap what he says). I feel compelled to correct you who have said what you claim above. He may have also said that... but there was a long-winded segment of the post-match interview where he said (somewhat paraphrased):

 

"There are a lot of people who deserve credit... my coach, my wife, my this, my that, my blah, blah, blah... but the bottom line is God and I give him all the credit for my win today."

 

He absolutely said that.

 

OWNT!

[Fumbleweed 554]

I want to know why they don't they BLAME jesus/god when they don't win? Where was god/jesus when they needed to make the 6 foot putt to win? Why does god/jesus only show up when they win? I'd like to think they owe their talent to their parents and to genes and fate, and their own dedication and practice a lot more than an invisible man in the sky.

 

 

Here was the question:

 

Zach, how did you keep your composure out there and seem so calm?

 

Answer: I wasn't exactly calm. My faith is important to me. I felt that Jesus was with me. That helped.

 

(That was paraphrased a bit, but was the basic idea)

 

50+ posts later, we're still discussing those VERY benign comments.

 

The bottom line is this: I'm sure there are some athletes who somehow twist their faith into some sort of narcissism such that they believe God wanted them to win for their own personal glory. But the fact of the matter is that many/most just pray for strength and peace. That doesn't always put you over the top....but, in this case, Johnson was admitting that it really helped him to stay focused and composed.

 

I know all these faith concepts bewilder you, ed,.....and that's o.k.......I'm not going to belittle your unbelief in any way, but for some of us, there's a great deal going on out there that those without faith cannot see or touch. Doesn't make me any better than you....just very different in terms of what I believe the governing forces of this world are.

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

so he didn't get his genes from his parents, he got them from jesus?

 

You stated Jesus gave him nothing.

Where have I claimed he did not get his genes from his parents?

 

You have a trouble arguing with people actually say. My advice to you is to quit saying stupid things.

[edjr 6,733]

 

 

The bottom line is this: I'm sure there are some athletes who somehow twist their faith into some sort of narcissism such that they believe God wanted them to win for their own personal glory. But the fact of the matter is that many/most just pray for strength and peace. That doesn't always put you over the top....but, in this case, Johnson was admitting that it really helped him to stay focused and composed.

 

I know all these faith concepts bewilder you, ed,.....and that's o.k.......I'm not going to belittle your unbelief in any way, but for some of us, there's a great deal going on out there that those without faith cannot see or touch. Doesn't make me any better than you....just very different in terms of what I believe the governing forces of this world are.

 

Fair enough and well said.

 

I don't care WHAT he believes though. I only care when he has to TELL me about his faith. Keep your faith to yourself, I don't give a fock Zach. If he were a homo would he thank his gay lover for the win? NO. so keep your faith to yourself. Thank your family for the win, thank your wife, thank REAL people that I know exist. That is all I am asking. is that too much to ask?

[Snoopy1 0]

Ummm... actually, that's not entirely true (and I don't give a crap what he says). I feel compelled to correct you who have said what you claim above. He may have also said that... but there was a long-winded segment of the post-match interview where he said (somewhat paraphrased):

 

"There are a lot of people who deserve credit... my coach, my wife, my this, my that, my blah, blah, blah... but the bottom line is God and I give him all the credit for my win today."

 

He absolutely said that.

 

And for those who don't believe that people don't blame God when they fock up... I've certainly heard more than my share of exclamations of "JEEBUS CHRIST!" after a bad shot, bad play, bad pitch.... Now, I can't say that I've seen an interview where someone said, "I tried really hard and did my best to draw on the spirit of my Lord and Savior... but he focked me up all kinds of ways today and I blame His failure to materialize on my double-bogey on 14."

 

 

 

I did not watch the post match interview, just the quick interview after 18, while the tourney was still going.

 

Edjr mentioned that he was almost in tears, so I'm assuming that was the interview he's BS about not the second interview.

 

I can't comment at all about the second interview.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Ummm... actually, that's not entirely true (and I don't give a crap what he says). I feel compelled to correct you who have said what you claim above. He may have also said that... but there was a long-winded segment of the post-match interview where he said (somewhat paraphrased):

 

"There are a lot of people who deserve credit... my coach, my wife, my this, my that, my blah, blah, blah... but the bottom line is God and I give him all the credit for my win today."

 

He absolutely said that.

 

And for those who don't believe that people don't blame God when they fock up... I've certainly heard more than my share of exclamations of "JEEBUS CHRIST!" after a bad shot, bad play, bad pitch.... Now, I can't say that I've seen an interview where someone said, "I tried really hard and did my best to draw on the spirit of my Lord and Savior... but he focked me up all kinds of ways today and I blame His failure to materialize on my double-bogey on 14."

 

 

And in him saying he gives God Credit...does that mean he said God made him win? No. Not at all. But people take it directly that way.

 

And yes people say JEEBUS CHRIST or GD....and so on. That is not "blaming God"...its a use of slang as a type of almost cursing. Not really saying its God's fault...but no different than saying FOCK or SHAT!

[lennie75 0]

So he got his genes from Jesus and not his parents?

OWNT!

1. Discussion has nothing to do with genes

2. Genes do not make a professional golfer (also not part of discussion)

3. What if he thinks God gave him his parents..therefore Yes God gave him his genes

4. What if he draws his strength from big purple gorilla that was his imaginary friend in elementary school...who cares.

5. The real question is why do you hate big purple gorillas...do you not have a good relationship with your parents??

[Big Blue 06 195]

Fair enough and well said.

 

I don't care WHAT he believes though. I only care when he has to TELL me about his faith. Keep your faith to yourself, I don't give a fock Zach. If he were a homo would he thank his gay lover for the win? NO. so keep your faith to yourself. Thank your family for the win, thank your wife, thank REAL people that I know exist. That is all I am asking. is that too much to ask?

 

Actually, it is too much to ask. He just won the freakin Masters, he can thank the flying spaghetti monster if he wants to. Freedom of speech and all that.

[Electric Mayhem 35]

Wow, you're dumber than I thought.

 

So anyone that belives in a higher power is a religious zealot??

 

(points and wails)

 

When someone goes out of their way to say how their faith has influenced their lives (especially in such a public setting as a televised interview), I consider them to be very religious. i don't htink that is a stretch, or makes me dumb for that matter.

 

How often do you tout your faith for your life's successes?

[Sho Nuff 720]

Fair enough and well said.

 

I don't care WHAT he believes though. I only care when he has to TELL me about his faith. Keep your faith to yourself, I don't give a fock Zach. If he were a homo would he thank his gay lover for the win? NO. so keep your faith to yourself. Thank your family for the win, thank your wife, thank REAL people that I know exist. That is all I am asking. is that too much to ask?

 

Why should he keep his faith to himself? Are you trying to take away his constitutional right to speech...or his constitutional right to practice his religion?

He did thank his family....perhaps you should actually listen or read what people say...rather than only what you think they say.

[Snoopy1 0]

So he got his genes from Jesus and not his parents?

OWNT!

 

 

LMAO, so predictable. You were obviously talking about the first interview, now Meph brings up the second interview and all of sudden that's what you were talking about...

 

Ed changing his story and stance again... Who woulda thunked it.

[Big Blue 06 195]

(points and wails)

 

When someone goes out of their way to say how their faith has influenced their lives (especially in such a public setting as a televised interview), I consider them to be very religious. i don't htink that is a stretch, or makes me dumb for that matter.

 

How often do you tout your faith for your life's successes?

 

Not sure how this turned to my life, but I thank God for all the blessings in my life. My issue with your comment is the part where you said that anyone that believes is a religious zealot. What if someone belives in God and Jesus and the whole nine, but doesn't go out of his way to tell everyone. He goes about his life, goes to church, prays, but he doesn't try to force his religion on anyone. Is this guy a religious zealot?

[Fumbleweed 554]

Not to speak for ed, but the reason I don't like to hear people mention their faith in their interviews is that in a second they transform themselves from a hard working athlete that overcame the odds and had a brilliant outing into just another religious zealot.

 

It's kinda like the end of Invasion of the Body Snatchers when Donald Sutherland fights and fights against the pod people for the whole movie and then at the end you find out he was taken.

 

The two are not mutually exclusive. One can be hard-working and overcome the odds and believe God played a large role in that as well. It's not an either-or proposition.

 

One thing about prayer that I think is absolutely true is that it is much like it is depicted in Bruce Almighty. Most of our prayers run contrary to the prayers of others (for example, if 20 golfers on Sunday pray for God to help them win), and God suggests over and over that because of all the contradiction, prayers will not always be answered the way people think they should be. God is not Santa Claus, nor does He claim to be.

 

However, when a person prays for strength and peace, that kind of prayer does not really run contrary to anything and I think it's the kind of intervention God does promise us. Again, that does not mean a person is going to win, though. Your skill level plays a huge part in things.

 

If I prayed right now for strength and peace on the golf course and prayed for it all morning, and then went out this afternoon and played golf, I would still shoot between 90-105.....because for the most part- I suck.

 

Fair enough and well said.

 

I don't care WHAT he believes though. I only care when he has to TELL me about his faith. Keep your faith to yourself, I don't give a fock Zach. If he were a homo would he thank his gay lover for the win? NO. so keep your faith to yourself. Thank your family for the win, thank your wife, thank REAL people that I know exist. That is all I am asking. is that too much to ask?

 

It's too much to ask if you want someone to be honest in an interview. All he was doing was being honest.

 

And, quite frankly, if he had thanked his gay lover for the pep talk he got prior to coming onto the course that day, I think it would be quite acceptable. He just won the Masters. He should be able to thank whoever the heck he wants to without criticism from me. It was his moment.

[Snoopy1 0]

 

 

If I prayed right now for strength and peace on the golf course and prayed for it all morning, and then went out this afternoon and played golf, I would still shoot between 90-105.....because for the most part- I suck.

 

 

 

It would take a lot more prayer and practice for me just to get to "I suck" level.

 

Truly God WOULD need to intervene for me to break 100. Were talking parting the Red Seas type of help here.

[Mephisto 15]

Keep in mind, I don't begrudge anyone their religious beliefs and couldn't care too much less about Zach mentioning his faith in relation to his performance (or anything else for that matter).

 

I just wanted to point out that I watched a post-match interview where he listed a BUNCH of people that "deserved credit" - from family members to coach to sponsors (TransAmerica, I believe)... but ultimately he absolutely did say that he gave God "all the credit" for his win. Further, I only do so to watch this train-wreck of a thread continue on.

[Electric Mayhem 35]

BigBlue/Fumble:

 

I think it's fine that many many people have faith in another being, higher power, whatever. What I take issue with is when people feel the need to let other people know about it. I always considered true faith to be something that a person hold inside to giude them and to lean on when things get tough. Not something that should be displayed like a trophy when the situation arises. It's kinda like when someone wins the Daytona 500, and when they get into the camera they instantly put on a Doritos hat and say in the interview "I couldn't have done it without the natural cheesy goodness of Doritos brand snacks."

 

It's like he's saying "This Masters win: brought to you by the Christian faith."

 

As for:

 

My issue with your comment is the part where you said that anyone that believes is a religious zealot.

 

I never said that. I said that once someone goes out of their way to publically state how faith influenced their lives.

[Sho Nuff 720]

BigBlue/Fumble:

 

I think it's fine that many many people have faith in another being, higher power, whatever. What I take issue with is when people feel the need to let other people know about it. I always considered true faith to be something that a person hold inside to giude them and to lean on when things get tough. Not something that should be displayed like a trophy when the situation arises. It's kinda like when someone wins the Daytona 500, and when they get into the camera they instantly put on a Doritos hat and say in the interview "I couldn't have done it without the natural cheesy goodness of Doritos brand snacks."

 

It's like he's saying "This Masters win: brought to you by the Christian faith."

 

As for:

I never said that. I said that once someone goes out of their way to publically state how faith influenced their lives.

 

How did he go out of his way? Did he seek the microphone...or was it given to him?

 

And to me, he feels the need because that is what he believed he is called to do. To spread the word and profess his faith...as he is free to do. Why should he hold it inside of him?

[Electric Mayhem 35]

How did he go out of his way? Did he seek the microphone...or was it given to him?

 

And to me, he feels the need because that is what he believed he is called to do. To spread the word and profess his faith...as he is free to do. Why should he hold it inside of him?

 

He didn't have to mention it, he made a conscious decision to let the world know his faith was involved with his win. He is obviously a very religious person.

 

And I personlly think that those that

[feel] the need because that is what he believed he is called to do. To spread the word and profess his faith...as he is free to do.

are religious zealots.

 

And a bunch of brainwashed loonies that I have no desire to hear from/associate with.