Seriously, is there a connection with black people and crime?

[edjr 5,623]

[Guest 14 Words]

Of course there is a connection between black people and crime.

 

 

Black males are only 6 percent of the population and they are committing over 50 percent of all the crime. In many cities, like mine for example, black males are only 3 percent of the population and they are committing 80 percent of all the violent crime.

 

With statistics like that, how can any logical person dispute such overwhelming evidence?

 

 

Oh yeah, I know....It's a "class" issue. :ROLLS EYES!:

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4 out of every 3 black men end up in prison. What does that tell you?

[edjr 5,623]

4 out of every 3 black men end up in prison. What does that tell you?

 

Do you think it has anything to do with.

 

1) Where they live

2) Being poor

3) having no father

4) social status

 

I think those 4 things have everything to do with it.

 

I realize not every black man that grows up in that situation ends up in jail. I bet if you took a survey of those 3 out of 4 black men in jail, 3 out of 4 of them all grew up that way.

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Do you think it has anything to do with.

 

1) Where they live

2) Being poor

3) having no father

4) social status

 

I think those 4 things have everything to do with it.

 

I think it has a lot more to do with them breaking the law, but that's just me

[edjr 5,623]

I think it has a lot more to do with them breaking the law, but that's just me

 

No sh1t. Why do you think they break the law though? Does it have anything to do with their upbringing? Of course it does. Does it have anything to do with that's all they see around them and they feel it's their only means of having anything?

[hoytdwow 202]

4 out of every 3 black men end up in prison.

 

[edjr 5,623]

 

 

yeah and the only 1 is messican

 

 

Oh I just noticed

 

4 out of 3?

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No sh1t. Why do you think they break the law though? Does it have anything to do with their upbringing? Of course it does. Does it have anything to do with that's all they see around them and they feel it's their only means of having anything?

 

So you're saying that noone who is poor, with no dad, grows up in a bad neighborhood, and apparently has no social standing, ever goes through life without committing crimes?

[Guest 14 Words]

Do you think it has anything to do with.

 

1) Where they live

2) Being poor

3) having no father

4) social status

 

I think those 4 things have everything to do with it.

 

 

 

All those things you mentioned are part of their inherent black nature. So it will continue on for eternity regardless of how badly you want it to change.

 

 

It's bleeding heart idiots like you that are convinced if you spend enough time and money you can eventually teach a monkey to talk.

[edjr 5,623]

So you're saying that noone who is poor, with no dad, grows up in a bad neighborhood, and apparently has no social standing, ever goes through life without committing crimes?

 

 

PLEASE FOCKING LEARN TO READ!

 

I realize not every black man that grows up in that situation ends up in jail. I bet if you took a survey of those 3 out of 4 black men in jail, 3 out of 4 of them all grew up that way.

[davebg 0]

No sh1t. Why do you think they break the law though? Does it have anything to do with their upbringing? Of course it does. Does it have anything to do with that's all they see around them and they feel it's their only means of having anything?

I don't give a rat's ass.

 

Your argument just goes to further the lack of responsibility that people take for their own actions these days.

 

"It's not my fault I broke the law, it was my upbringing."

 

Frankly, it sounds all too similar to the excuses people make for terrorism in the Middle East.

 

"We need to look at the root causes of terrorism..."

[edjr 5,623]

 

It's bleeding heart idiots like you that are convinced if you spend enough time and money you can eventually teach a monkey to talk.

 

Bleeding hearts like me?

 

I'm not making excuses. I'm just calling it as I see it.

 

Answer a question for me.

 

How come the black kids that grew up in the same city as me didn't get into any trouble? Would that be because we grew up in the suburbs? You think that has anything to do with it?

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PLEASE FOCKING LEARN TO READ!

 

Fine. Are you going to go down the road that it's all whitey's fault that those 4 situations exist? Cause I'm really tired of that argument. At some point people need to take responsibility for their own actions. It's not our fault that black women love getting preggo by 6 different men before they drop out of H.S., it's not our fault that so many poor black men don't take responsibility for their children, or in many cases get themselves killed. I won't dispute that environment has some impact on future actions, but I won't take responsibility either.

 

Bleeding hearts like me?

 

I'm not making excuses. I'm just calling it as I see it.

 

Answer a question for me.

 

How come the black kids that grew up in the same city as me didn't get into any trouble? Would that be because we grew up in the suburbs? You think that has anything to do with it?

 

The question I would have is what percentage of blacks that was. I've posted the following before. The high school I went to had a decent percentage of black kids, all bussed in from inner city Los Angeles. These kids took a 1.5 hour bus ride every day, each way, to go to a good high school in the 'burbs. And it was VOLUNTARY. Clearly, these kids and their parents wanted to succeed. The opportunities are there, even for poor inner city kids. More often than not they just take the easy way out and don't take the opportunities that exist in this great country of ours. Then they hear idiots like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton tell them how we keep screwing them and filling their ears with words of entitlement. It's a vicious, never ending cycle. But they need to own the problem at this point, not us. We've been working on it for 40 years and it's gotten us nowhere. It's time to say, hey it's your problem deal with it.

[edjr 5,623]

Fine. Are you going to go down the road that it's all whitey's fault that those 4 situations exist?

 

Absolutely not!

 

Let's forget color.

 

If a kid is born into a poor family, in a poor neighborhood, with drugs being sold on street corners, with no father he's probably going to grow up the wrong way, right?

 

I don't think it's anyone's fault, but the parents that choose to live there and mooch of the system and not better themselves and not get better jobs and bring their kids up in that situation.

 

If they don't ever do anything to better themselves, this cycle is going to continue on forever and their children are obviously going to suffer the consequences.

 

 

 

 

The question I would have is what percentage of blacks that was. I've posted the following before. The high school I went to had a decent percentage of black kids, all bussed in from inner city Los Angeles. These kids took a 1.5 hour bus ride every day, each way, to go to a good high school in the 'burbs. And it was VOLUNTARY. Clearly, these kids and their parents wanted to succeed. The opportunities are there, even for poor inner city kids. More often than not they just take the easy way out and don't take the opportunities that exist in this great country of ours. Then they hear idiots like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton tell them how we keep screwing them and filling their ears with words of entitlement. It's a vicious, never ending cycle. But they need to own the problem at this point, not us. We've been working on it for 40 years and it's gotten us nowhere. It's time to say, hey it's your problem deal with it.

 

a very small percentage.

 

This was 20 years ago, my city had very few blacks. There are a lot more now and the crime rate hasn't changed at all as far as they are concerned. It's the focking illegals that are causing all the crime.

 

Like you said, parents bus their kids 90 minutes away to have a better opportunity and that's great. Not all kids are that lucky. Some have douche parents that don't give a fock. I'm blaming the parents 100%, no one else.

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Absolutely not!

 

Let's forget color.

 

If a kid is born into a poor family, in a poor neighborhood, with drugs being sold on street corners, with no father he's probably going to grow up the wrong way, right?

 

I don't think it's anyone's fault, but the parents that choose to live there and mooch of the system and not better themselves and not get better jobs and bring their kids up in that situation.

 

If they don't ever do anything to better themselves, this cycle is going to continue on forever and their children are obviously going to suffer the consequences.

 

I disagree. There will always be poor people and different classes in society, no matter what we do. Look at socialism. In a perfect socialist society everyone would be equal because they're sharing everything. Has that ever happened? No. So it doesn't bother me that some people end up being poor adults. It's unfortunate, but as far as I can tell that has always been the case throughout history.

 

What bothers me is the difference between the way we treat different races when they grow up poor. When white people grow up in those circumstances we blow it off and say too bad they should have worked hard to improve themselves. Heck, I do that for stoners from my high school that I meet now and don't have much going for them. Those are the choices they made in high school, and they didn't grow up with all those disadvantages you mentioned. It can happen at any level. But when black kids grow up and become poor, loser, adults, we immediately start looking for scapegoats. Obviously, there are more of them but it's at a point where we need to quit enabling them and tell them hey you're responsible for your own lot in life.

 

Life isn't always fair. And let me tell you something. Even in their inner city poor neighborhoods, blacks have it a lot better than a lot of people in third world countries. It's all relative.

[wiffleball 4,660]

Torrid and I got into this a long time ago. Math ain't racist.

 

1. If you look at the listing of highest violent crime rate by city, there's almost a direct connection between the top ten cities and the cities with the highest % /greatest population density of Blacks.

(See: East St. Louis)

 

2. Torrid would argue that's just a coincidence- that poverty is the overarching theme in all those cities and the residents just "happen" to be Black.

 

3. ...Until of course, we pull up the listing of poorest cities/areas in the country, in which case, places like WV with a relatively smaller % of Blacks, have significant poverty levels. - But do NOT rank in the high violent crime areas.

 

Then you'll get somebody like Carrie who will say "they shouldn't do studies by race - everybody's an individual".

 

....But Ironically, it's Black activists who most frequently look at populations and that there aren't enough Blacks. (Doesn't matter if they're not qualified, they just want more Blacks regardless. See: MLB, Affirmative Action, Quotas.)

 

 

So, bottom lining it:

 

1. Yes, virtually every study ever done shows the same conclusions: Blacks committ more violent crime as a demographic segment than any other segment.

 

2. ...But Blacks and Guilty Liberals consider such studies an "inconvenient truth" and anything they don't like is - you guessed it - "Racist".

 

3. So, they ignore the facts presented, fall back on "everybody's an individual" and "the justice system is racist" and the cycle continues.

 

4. ...Which is tragic, b/c young black children grow up fatherless - because Dad's is more likely to be in prison than in college. - And those children grow up to repeat the cycle. And on, and on.

 

5. ...But it's "racist" to talk about it.

 

 

Funny thing is, we do all kinds of study by every possible demographic identifier. Health, Diet, Crime, Disease, Economic status, Homeownership - you name it. It's done so to identify problems and correct them. (For example, A study comes out and says Women are frequently less screended for cardiac disease - And Doctors start changing their protocols.)

 

But if you ignore the studies, the demographics, you ignore the problem.

 

...And the cycle continues...

[hoytdwow 202]

1. Have parents that care

2. Pay attention, work hard, and stay in school

3. Go to college. Good college, state school, community college, whatever

4. Get a decent job

5. Have a nice life regardless of race

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Like you said, parents bus their kids 90 minutes away to have a better opportunity and that's great. Not all kids are that lucky. Some have douche parents that don't give a fock. I'm blaming the parents 100%, no one else.

 

I'll certainly say those were bad parents, that's for sure. We could get in to the discussion that inevitably comes up here about making people "qualify" to be parents if you want.

[edjr 5,623]

Life isn't always fair. And let me tell you something. Even in their inner city poor neighborhoods, blacks have it a lot better than a lot of people in third world countries. It's all relative.

 

That I will agree with 100%

 

Which reminds me. Someone handed me a "save darfur" flyer today when I was getting off the subway. I put it in my pocket, I have to read it.

[thePIMPmaster 0]

Just compare NFL and NBA players to NHL players. Seems like there is a new player getting arrested every day in the NFL or NBA. And these players aren't poor anymore. They have almost unlimited funds and are out of bad neighborhoods. Then look at NHL players. If you see one or two arrests per season, you're lucky.

[hoytdwow 202]

Just compare NFL and NBA players to NHL players.

 

Apples and oranges!

 

There aren't any blacks in the Czech Republic

[edjr 5,623]

Just compare NFL and NBA players to NHL players. Seems like there is a new player getting arrested every day in the NFL or NBA. And these players aren't poor anymore. They have almost unlimited funds and are out of bad neighborhoods. Then look at NHL players. If you see one or two arrests per season, you're lucky.

 

 

Yeah, the NHL only has players that killed their teamates in car accidents playing. Let's not forget the players that crippled other players with cheap shots.

 

Danny Heatley is going to be playing in the Stanley Cup Finals this week, instead of being in a jail for killing his friend and teamate. If anyone actually gave a sh1t about the NHL people might be talking about this.

 

Police said Heatley drove his black Ferrari at 80 mph along Lenox Road, a narrow two-lane, 35 mph-road, when he lost control near Lenox Mall. The sports car spun off the road and slammed sideways into the brick pillar entrance to the Peachtree Lenox Condominiums.

 

RIP Dan Snyder.

[Franknbeans 46]

1. Have parents that care

Unfortunately, many more black men lack this

[edjr 5,623]

1. Have parents that care

 

I agree this matters a lot, but it's not the only excuse.

[thePIMPmaster 0]

 

Yeah, the NHL only has players that killed their teamates in car accidents playing. Let's not forget the players that crippled other players with cheap shots.

 

Danny Heatley is going to be playing in the Stanley Cup Finals this week, instead of being in a jail for killing his friend and teamate. If anyone actually gave a sh1t about the NHL people might be talking about this.

 

RIP Dan Snyder.

I fockin hate Danny Heatley, but that was an accident. He wasn't drunk, he was just driving too fast in a nice car. He focked up big time, but it's not what we're talking here.

[BMoney 0]

 

Yeah, the NHL only has players that killed their teamates in car accidents playing. Let's not forget the players that crippled other players with cheap shots.

 

Danny Heatley is going to be playing in the Stanley Cup Finals this week, instead of being in a jail for killing his friend and teamate. If anyone actually gave a sh1t about the NHL people might be talking about this.

 

RIP Dan Snyder.

 

 

Dan Snyders family elected to have Heatley go free..this wasnt some OJ deal where he got off...

 

theres a difference between a guy always in the wrong place and having crimes happen..and a wild kid who has driven way too fast...

 

an awful mistake by heatley...but it hasnt come close to happening since....the snyder family already lost 1..why lose 2?....

 

its a personal choice...if you are a parent and u know your son and his friend are tight..and this happens.. its a choice you have to make..

 

and he was sober...

 

Do you think it has anything to do with.

 

1) Where they live

2) Being poor

3) having no father

4) social status

 

I think those 4 things have everything to do with it.

 

I realize not every black man that grows up in that situation ends up in jail. I bet if you took a survey of those 3 out of 4 black men in jail, 3 out of 4 of them all grew up that way.

 

 

and 1 of the 4 couldnt read your survey..its called job security for cops and prison guards..

[edjr 5,623]

I fockin hate Danny Heatley, but that was an accident. He wasn't drunk, he was just driving too fast in a nice car. He focked up big time, but it's not what we're talking here.

 

I realize it wasn't your point. My point back at you, is no one cares about the NHL. They aren't altar boys, like you think. No one gives a fock, so they don't write about it.

 

Most kids that play hockey are rich or have money when they are growing up. It's very expensive to buy hockey equipment and pay for ice.

 

You totally tried to compare apples to grenades, it just doesn't work.

[Snuff 10]

 

Yeah, the NHL only has players that killed their teamates in car accidents playing. Let's not forget the players that crippled other players with cheap shots.

 

Danny Heatley is going to be playing in the Stanley Cup Finals this week, instead of being in a jail for killing his friend and teamate. If anyone actually gave a sh1t about the NHL people might be talking about this.

RIP Dan Snyder.

 

And what violent crime was that?

[edjr 5,623]

And what violent crime was that?

 

Smashing another player in the temple while he is skating away isn't violent?

[Angry White Male 0]

I think it has a lot more to do with them breaking the law, but that's just me

Genius!

[thePIMPmaster 0]

I realize it wasn't your point. My point back at you, is no one cares about the NHL. They aren't altar boys, like you think. No one gives a fock, so they don't write about it.

 

Most kids that play hockey are rich or have money when they are growing up. It's very expensive to buy hockey equipment and pay for ice.

 

You totally tried to compare apples to grenades, it just doesn't work.

It doesn't make a difference whether people care about the NHL or not, that isn't the point.

 

These NBA players and NFL players have so much god damn money, don't you think at that point they should be able to settle down and become productive members of society? And I'm sure most are, but the percentages are much higher in the NBA and NFL where players are getting into trouble and arrested. These guys are grown adults out of the inner city, shouldn't be happening anymore.

[Snuff 10]

Smashing another player in the temple while he is skating away isn't violent?

 

Wasn't referring to that, moreso on the car accident, but yeah, in any case I don't see that as bad as drive by shootings that kill 3 year olds.

[edjr 5,623]

Wasn't referring to that, moreso on the car accident, but yeah, in any case I don't see that as bad as drive by shootings that kill 3 year olds.

 

 

You can take the black man out of the ghetto, but you can't take the ghetto out of the black man.

[Bert 1,100]

Torrid and I got into this a long time ago. Math ain't racist.

 

1. If you look at the listing of highest violent crime rate by city, there's almost a direct connection between the top ten cities and the cities with the highest % /greatest population density of Blacks.

(See: East St. Louis)

 

2. Torrid would argue that's just a coincidence- that poverty is the overarching theme in all those cities and the residents just "happen" to be Black.

 

3. ...Until of course, we pull up the listing of poorest cities/areas in the country, in which case, places like WV with a relatively smaller % of Blacks, have significant poverty levels. - But do NOT rank in the high violent crime areas.

 

Then you'll get somebody like Carrie who will say "they shouldn't do studies by race - everybody's an individual".

 

....But Ironically, it's Black activists who most frequently look at populations and that there aren't enough Blacks. (Doesn't matter if they're not qualified, they just want more Blacks regardless. See: MLB, Affirmative Action, Quotas.)

So, bottom lining it:

 

1. Yes, virtually every study ever done shows the same conclusions: Blacks committ more violent crime as a demographic segment than any other segment.

 

2. ...But Blacks and Guilty Liberals consider such studies an "inconvenient truth" and anything they don't like is - you guessed it - "Racist".

 

3. So, they ignore the facts presented, fall back on "everybody's an individual" and "the justice system is racist" and the cycle continues.

 

4. ...Which is tragic, b/c young black children grow up fatherless - because Dad's is more likely to be in prison than in college. - And those children grow up to repeat the cycle. And on, and on.

 

5. ...But it's "racist" to talk about it.

Funny thing is, we do all kinds of study by every possible demographic identifier. Health, Diet, Crime, Disease, Economic status, Homeownership - you name it. It's done so to identify problems and correct them. (For example, A study comes out and says Women are frequently less screended for cardiac disease - And Doctors start changing their protocols.)

 

But if you ignore the studies, the demographics, you ignore the problem.

 

...And the cycle continues...

 

That about sums it up. I'll add if your white and bring it up your a racist if you are black and bring it up you are a sell out, uncle Tom, oreo.

[Boz/BoFan 0]

Torrid and I got into this a long time ago. Math ain't racist.

 

1. If you look at the listing of highest violent crime rate by city, there's almost a direct connection between the top ten cities and the cities with the highest % /greatest population density of Blacks.

(See: East St. Louis)

 

2. Torrid would argue that's just a coincidence- that poverty is the overarching theme in all those cities and the residents just "happen" to be Black.

 

3. ...Until of course, we pull up the listing of poorest cities/areas in the country, in which case, places like WV with a relatively smaller % of Blacks, have significant poverty levels. - But do NOT rank in the high violent crime areas.

 

Then you'll get somebody like Carrie who will say "they shouldn't do studies by race - everybody's an individual".

 

....But Ironically, it's Black activists who most frequently look at populations and that there aren't enough Blacks. (Doesn't matter if they're not qualified, they just want more Blacks regardless. See: MLB, Affirmative Action, Quotas.)

So, bottom lining it:

 

1. Yes, virtually every study ever done shows the same conclusions: Blacks committ more violent crime as a demographic segment than any other segment.

 

2. ...But Blacks and Guilty Liberals consider such studies an "inconvenient truth" and anything they don't like is - you guessed it - "Racist".

 

3. So, they ignore the facts presented, fall back on "everybody's an individual" and "the justice system is racist" and the cycle continues.

 

4. ...Which is tragic, b/c young black children grow up fatherless - because Dad's is more likely to be in prison than in college. - And those children grow up to repeat the cycle. And on, and on.

 

5. ...But it's "racist" to talk about it.

Funny thing is, we do all kinds of study by every possible demographic identifier. Health, Diet, Crime, Disease, Economic status, Homeownership - you name it. It's done so to identify problems and correct them. (For example, A study comes out and says Women are frequently less screended for cardiac disease - And Doctors start changing their protocols.)

 

But if you ignore the studies, the demographics, you ignore the problem.

 

...And the cycle continues...