football_scooter 0 Posted May 23, 2007 http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0522comer0522-ON.html Killer gets death wish Judi Villa and Michael Kiefer The Arizona Republic May. 22, 2007 11:19 AM FLORENCE - Robert Comer never flinched Tuesday morning as he was injected with a lethal cocktail of drugs that put him to death. Comer took a picture of his daughter into the death chamber with him and seemed defiant as he smiled and maintained eye contact with his witnesses as drugs coursed through his body. His last words were "Go Raiders!" and with that, his smile slowly faded until he passed out. His chest stopped moving after the third drug was given to him. Sorry - this was too football-related for the geek forum and too damn funny not to post. By the way, despite protesters at the prison, the guy was a convicted, admitted murderer & rapist, having raped a woman at a camp site in front of her boyfriend prior to blowing said boyfriend's brains out. He wanted to be put to death. link with scary killer goodness. Anyway, uh, go raiders? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jarvis Basnight 119 Posted May 23, 2007 pathetic and sad Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlaHawker 24 Posted May 23, 2007 http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0522comer0522-ON.html Sorry - this was too football-related for the geek forum and too damn funny not to post. By the way, despite protesters at the prison, the guy was a convicted, admitted murderer & rapist, having raped a woman at a camp site in front of her boyfriend prior to blowing said boyfriend's brains out. He wanted to be put to death. link with scary killer goodness. Anyway, uh, go raiders? What I don't understand is how anyone could protest this animal's being put to death. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
football_scooter 0 Posted May 23, 2007 What I don't understand is how anyone could protest this animal's being put to death. I go to San Quintin occasionally to protest the protesters...it's amazing...these hard line right wing christians LOVE the animal who's going to be put to death, but hate my guts. I've been threatened and verbally assaulted by these people on several occasions simply for carrying a sign that says, "12:01 AM = happy hour" But the guy who kidnapped, raped and killed a dozen 13-14 year old boys? Oh, they love him and want to save him. it's amazing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jarvis Basnight 119 Posted May 23, 2007 I go to San Quintin occasionally to protest the protesters...it's amazing...these hard line right wing christians LOVE the animal who's going to be put to death, but hate my guts. I've been threatened and verbally assaulted by these people on several occasions simply for carrying a sign that says, "12:01 AM = happy hour" But the guy who kidnapped, raped and killed a dozen 13-14 year old boys? Oh, they love him and want to save him. it's amazing. I'm against the death penalty because, from what I was taught about it, the cost is higher for the state to put someone to death than it is to keep them in prison for life thanks to the high rate of court appeals that come out of a death sentence. I'd rather not give a reason for taxes to go any higher, especially not for that reason. Not all christians are hard line right wingers. There will always be radicals that go to far with religion but the christian demographic is beginning to change some in this country. sorry not ff related Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cinciman7 2 Posted May 23, 2007 Soon it will be "Go Bengals!" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t.j 35 Posted May 23, 2007 He should have kept chanting as he died. RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERS! RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERS! RAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIDEEEEEEEEERRRRRRS! RAAAAAAaaaaiiiiiideeeeeeeeers! raaaaaaaaaaiiiiiideeeeeeeeers! raaaaaaaaaaiiiiiid- * Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
football_scooter 0 Posted May 23, 2007 I'm against the death penalty because, from what I was taught about it, the cost is higher for the state to put someone to death than it is to keep them in prison for life thanks to the high rate of court appeals that come out of a death sentence. I'd rather not give a reason for taxes to go any higher, especially not for that reason. Not all christians are hard line right wingers. There will always be radicals that go to far with religion but the christian demographic is beginning to change some in this country. sorry not ff related You were taught a falsehood. The reason putting someone to death is more expensive is because the hard line anti-death penalty people make sure that it is. They fulfill their own prophecy by dragging out the appeals process for anyone who's sentenced to death, including those who've admitted to the atrocities for which they are convicted. The cost of keeping anyone alive in prison is significant - if it were about $, then these people should be protesting the 3 strikes laws that put people in jail for 30 years for getting caught with a bag of weed, but oops - it was their 3rd offense. The cost of putting someone to death would be far less significant if the appeals process were streamlined. But the lawyers abuse the appeals process because there's such a back-log on the books that it typically takes a year or more to get a court date for the appeal. It's a simple way of buying time for the condemned. It buys they another year of life, regardless of whether the appeal is rejected, which in the vast majority of cases, it is. Then they can file another appeal and another - it's the abuse of the system that costs taxpayers money, not the death penalty itself. If someone's guilty beyond reasonable doubt, as proven my DNA, eyewitness and other compelling evidence, there should be no appeals process. They shouldn't spend a single day in jail. The cost to the taxpayer would be the price of whatever drugs they shoot them with, or a little electricity in states where they use the chair. The price of lawyers abusing the legal system is what's expensive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted May 23, 2007 I'm against the death penalty because, from what I was taught about it, the cost is higher for the state to put someone to death than it is to keep them in prison for life thanks to the high rate of court appeals that come out of a death sentence. I'd rather not give a reason for taxes to go any higher, especially not for that reason. Not all christians are hard line right wingers. There will always be radicals that go to far with religion but the christian demographic is beginning to change some in this country. sorry not ff related Well said...though I am against it simply from a moral standpoint and how I view life. Its not that I love the killer or want to "save" him. I think he should pay for his crimes but don't believe we as humans are the ultimate decider of who lives and who dies. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
football_scooter 0 Posted May 23, 2007 He should have kept chanting as he died. RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERS! RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERS! RAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIDEEEEEEEEERRRRRRS! RAAAAAAaaaaiiiiiideeeeeeeeers! raaaaaaaaaaiiiiiideeeeeeeeers! raaaaaaaaaaiiiiiid- * I've sent this link to so many Raiders fans today that my fingers are getting tired. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgcrawfish 232 Posted May 23, 2007 Well said...though I am against it simply from a moral standpoint and how I view life. Its not that I love the killer or want to "save" him. I think he should pay for his crimes but don't believe we as humans are the ultimate decider of who lives and who dies. Why not? The animal that killed/molested/maimed the people was the ultimate decider of their fate wasn't he? The problem, and I shudder to believe that I'm saying this, is that not only is process too long and drawn out, but it's too humane. Quietly going to sleep and not caring about the afterlife (as made obvious by their actions in the first place) isn't a deterrance. Go Hammurabi on their arse, fit the punishment to the crime and people may give some consideration to their actions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted May 23, 2007 Why not? The animal that killed/molested/maimed the people was the ultimate decider of their fate wasn't he? The problem, and I shudder to believe that I'm saying this, is that not only is process too long and drawn out, but it's too humane. Quietly going to sleep and not caring about the afterlife (as made obvious by their actions in the first place) isn't a deterrance. Go Hammurabi on their arse, fit the punishment to the crime and people may give some consideration to their actions. So...by condemning the action of murder...we should in turn kill someone? Too humane? Perhaps that is because there is this thing called the constitution and more specifically the 8th Amendment. And your last line is humorous...as for years with the chamber and the chair (both which could not be anything close to resembling humane ways to die) the death penalty has proven to not be a deterrent to violent crime. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgcrawfish 232 Posted May 23, 2007 So...by condemning the action of murder...we should in turn kill someone? Too humane? Perhaps that is because there is this thing called the constitution and more specifically the 8th Amendment. And your last line is humorous...as for years with the chamber and the chair (both which could not be anything close to resembling humane ways to die) the death penalty has proven to not be a deterrent to violent crime. No, we should let people kill\rape\maim others and coddle them with 3 squares a day, air conditioning, weight lifting and a mattress to sleep on...there's a preventative. Meanwhile the families of the people who lives were taken\destroyed often don't get even a fraction of those things given for free. The prospect of life in prison, or years on death row milking the system of appeals IS a better standard of life for some of these animals. Any run of the mill dog who simply bites a kid is probably gonna get put to sleep, hell many who just get picked up for running the streets find the same fate waiting for them. And in all honesty, as a father, I find those dogs less of a threat and have more concern for their survival and well-being than the scum we are talking about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Octopus 0 Posted May 23, 2007 No, we should let people kill\rape\maim others and coddle them with 3 squares a day, air conditioning, weight lifting and a mattress to sleep on...there's a preventative. Without getting into the whole death penalty debate, is this really your view of prison? You make it sound like Club Med. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted May 23, 2007 No, we should let people kill\rape\maim others and coddle them with 3 squares a day, air conditioning, weight lifting and a mattress to sleep on...there's a preventative. Meanwhile the families of the people who lives were taken\destroyed often don't get even a fraction of those things given for free. The prospect of life in prison, or years on death row milking the system of appeals IS a better standard of life for some of these animals. Any run of the mill dog who simply bites a kid is probably gonna get put to sleep, hell many who just get picked up for running the streets find the same fate waiting for them. And in all honesty, as a father, I find those dogs less of a threat and have more concern for their survival and well-being than the scum we are talking about. I would not say we coddle them. Ever been in a prison? And we are now equating a dog getting put down vs. people? Im not saying that prison is a prevantative or a deterrent...just that the argument of putting people to death stops others from committing crimes has pretty much been proven to be full of it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vikings4ever 568 Posted May 23, 2007 Im not saying that prison is a prevantative or a deterrent...just that the argument of putting people to death stops others from committing crimes has pretty much been proven to be full of it. True, but one thing's for sure: Any of those fockers put to death won't be able to commit murder again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phurfur 70 Posted May 23, 2007 Without getting into the whole death penalty debate, is this really your view of prison? You make it sound like Club Med. They opened a new prison where I lived about 10 years ago. The public was allowed to tour it before it opened. The thing I remember the most is the number of Senior Citizens commenting on how the prison was MUCH nicer than there current living conditions. They viewed it as Club Med. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted May 23, 2007 True, but one thing's for sure: Any of those fockers put to death won't be able to commit murder again. Nor would they be able to do so with life in prison without parole. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Octopus 0 Posted May 23, 2007 They opened a new prison where I lived about 10 years ago. The public was allowed to tour it before it opened. The thing I remember the most is the number of Senior Citizens commenting on how the prison was MUCH nicer than there current living conditions. They viewed it as Club Med. They should have punched one of the guards in the face then so they could spend a little time in Club Med. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vikings4ever 568 Posted May 23, 2007 Nor would they be able to do so with life in prison without parole. Because prisoners never escape, or kill each other, or kill guards. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
football_scooter 0 Posted May 23, 2007 Because prisoners never escape, or kill each other, or kill guards. Not to mention that life in prison costs the taxpayers even more money to keep people who are entirely beyond rehabilitation breathing. what a shock - sho muff in one of my topics, being generally disagreeable and getting pwnd. Oh, wait - just another day at FFT. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlaHawker 24 Posted May 23, 2007 Well said...though I am against it simply from a moral standpoint and how I view life. Its not that I love the killer or want to "save" him. I think he should pay for his crimes but don't believe we as humans are the ultimate decider of who lives and who dies. How does he pay by getting free room and board and three hots and rooting for the Raiders? Oh and I don't care how tough prison is; think how tough it was for that guy to watch his girlfriend get raped and then have his brains blown out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted May 23, 2007 Because prisoners never escape, or kill each other, or kill guards. Yes...because prisoners escape all of the time. This is not TV. Its a very rare thing to have a convicted murderer spending life in prison to escape. Yes...people do kill guards...and again, a pretty rare thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t.j 35 Posted May 23, 2007 I can't believe even this thread turned into an argument. Y'all are a bunch of dopes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted May 23, 2007 Not to mention that life in prison costs the taxpayers even more money to keep people who are entirely beyond rehabilitation breathing. Talk about being owned. The current system of putting a prisoner to death, the appeals process...and so on costs more than housing a prisoner to life in prison. At least try using facts. what a shock - sho muff in one of my topics, being generally disagreeable and getting pwnd. Oh, wait - just another day at FFT. You have an overinflated ego. I do not look to see if you started the thread. As you could have seen, I have avoided you. And all I did was voice my opinion on the topic of the death penalty. As usual, it was you who came in, unprovoked and started talking about me and slinging the crap yet again. Showing you to be the true stalking douce....you would not know the first thing about owning anyone...as you are rarely, if ever, correct. It must suck to see that poll of mine turn out the way it did and to truely see what everyone here thinks about you. I quote one of my son's favorite movies. You are a sad, strange little man, and you have my pity. Farewell. I can't believe even this thread turned into an argument. Y'all are a bunch of dopes. Of course it did...look who came in slinging the insults again and ruining a pretty civil discussion with his usual crap....proving his hypocrisy yet again. How does he pay by getting free room and board and three hots and rooting for the Raiders? Oh and I don't care how tough prison is; think how tough it was for that guy to watch his girlfriend get raped and then have his brains blown out. Again, being put in prison is not some great experience. Go interview some people sometime...it might open your eyes. Im not saying it was great to have your girlfriend raped in front of you or shot....but I simply will not support such a practice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlaHawker 24 Posted May 23, 2007 Again, being put in prison is not some great experience. Go interview some people sometime...it might open your eyes. Actually, I wish prison could worse than it is. That type of scum have it too easy. But obviously we don't agree so I shall let it drop Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted May 23, 2007 Actually, I wish prison could worse than it is. That type of scum have it too easy. But obviously we don't agree so I shall let it drop Some may have it a bit easier than others. I have actually toured a few prisons and done some work in them. Not the type of conditions many are trying to say they are. And of course a brand new prison is going to look nice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdbrain3X 0 Posted May 23, 2007 So...by condemning the action of murder...we should in turn kill someone? Absolutely! You know, if this guy had said "Go Eagles" this thread would have been 16 pages by now and there would be 4 others like it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
football_scooter 0 Posted May 23, 2007 Talk about being owned. The current system of putting a prisoner to death, the appeals process...and so on costs more than housing a prisoner to life in prison. At least try using facts. If you knew how to read, you'd see that I already addressed that obvious FALLACY that your ilk perpetuates. Irony = you calling me out for not using facts, when you're using a widely believed piece of misinformation about the true cost of capital punishment to support your idiocy. Classic. Now go find someone else to stalk and stfu already, TROLL. Looking through this topic is such a typical Sho Nuff FFT experience - you against the world, getting pwnd. Classic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jarvis Basnight 119 Posted May 24, 2007 If you knew how to read, you'd see that I already addressed that obvious FALLACY that your ilk perpetuates. Irony = you calling me out for not using facts, when you're using a widely believed piece of misinformation about the true cost of capital punishment to support your idiocy. Classic. Now go find someone else to stalk and stfu already, TROLL. Looking through this topic is such a typical Sho Nuff FFT experience - you against the world, getting pwnd. Classic. I stated earlier that I remember learning in Poli Sci classes that it was more costly to put people to death because of the appeals. You answered with this... The reason putting someone to death is more expensive is because the hard line anti-death penalty people make sure that it is. They fulfill their own prophecy by dragging out the appeals process for anyone who's sentenced to death, including those who've admitted to the atrocities for which they are convicted. You mentioned the hard line anti-death penalty people and the lawyers being at fault but you agreed that putting someone to death is more expensive. How are you addressing it as a fallacy? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
football_scooter 0 Posted May 24, 2007 You mentioned the hard line anti-death penalty people and the lawyers being at fault but you agreed that putting someone to death is more expensive. How are you addressing it as a fallacy? It's not the death penalty that is expensive. Killing people is cheap. It's the appeals process which causes several years of delay to the endeavor that causes it to be expensive. Thus it is a fallacy to state that "putting people to death is more expensive" - it's not. Keeping someone alive is exponentially more expensive than executing them. This is common sense. But then you have guilty people who are appealing and appealing and appealing, clogging up the system incuring more cost. People who sit in jail and quietly serve their time don't cost nearly as much as those on death row. In the end, the death penalty can cost more. On average it does because of all of this associated nonsense. But I think you know all this already since I responded to your 1st post quite thoroughly. In the case of this particular Raiders fan, it is worth noting, he declined his appeals and sped along the process. I think that was very kind of him. He earned his last meal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted May 24, 2007 If you knew how to read, you'd see that I already addressed that obvious FALLACY that your ilk perpetuates. Irony = you calling me out for not using facts, when you're using a widely believed piece of misinformation about the true cost of capital punishment to support your idiocy. Classic. Now go find someone else to stalk and stfu already, TROLL. Looking through this topic is such a typical Sho Nuff FFT experience - you against the world, getting pwnd. Classic. Funny...seems you stalked me here...you posted about me here. You started the insults again here. I had avoided even addressing you until you started the BS again. 36-4 welcher...talk about being owned. Ugh....but as predicted, you are living in denial. Looking through this topic you do see typical sho nuff. Being civil and having a good conversation with people rather than this BS crap that comes up with you. Notice all the topics you have been involved in lately that have been locked. Yet you still think its someone else's fault. Grow up...take a step back from the computer and realize you are taking things way too seriously. Also realize that you think it is all about me because I disagreed with people? You want everyone on this board to just agree all the time? Yeah...that would be fun. And your first statement and the fallacy...you might want to read up...because you serioiusly don't have your facts straight. Capital murders in Tennessee alone...the trials for which the state is seeking the death penalty (just the trial) cost 48% more than for trials that are seeking life in prison. New Jersey Policy Perspectives report (from 2006 I believe) concluded that the state's death penalty has cost taxpayers $253 million since 1983, a figure that is over and above the costs that would have been incurred had the state utilized a sentence of life without parole instead of death. In its review of death penalty expenses, the State of Kansas concluded that capital cases are 70% more expensive than comparable non-death penalty cases. * The investigation costs for death-sentence cases were about 3 times greater than for non-death cases. * The trial costs for death cases were about 16 times greater than for non-death cases ($508,000 for death case; $32,000 for non-death case). * The appeal costs for death cases were 21 times greater. * The costs of carrying out (i.e. incarceration and/or execution) a death sentence were about half the costs of carrying out a non-death sentence in a comparable case. * Trials involving a death sentence averaged 34 days, including jury selection; non-death trials averaged about 9 days. Want me to keep going? All that...with links to the actual studies can be found at... http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=108 Yes...the site is designed to show that type of info about the death penalty. However, the studies it links to (and I know about the one from Tennessee quite a bit) were as unbiased as you can get. Please bring up the site pro-death penalty.com to try and debate me with...I beg you...that would get really funny. It's not the death penalty that is expensive. Killing people is cheap. It's the appeals process which causes several years of delay to the endeavor that causes it to be expensive. Thus it is a fallacy to state that "putting people to death is more expensive" - it's not. Keeping someone alive is exponentially more expensive than executing them. This is common sense. But then you have guilty people who are appealing and appealing and appealing, clogging up the system incuring more cost. People who sit in jail and quietly serve their time don't cost nearly as much as those on death row. In the end, the death penalty can cost more. On average it does because of all of this associated nonsense. But I think you know all this already since I responded to your 1st post quite thoroughly. In the case of this particular Raiders fan, it is worth noting, he declined his appeals and sped along the process. I think that was very kind of him. He earned his last meal. Read what I said about it again... The current system of putting a prisoner to death, the appeals process...and so on costs more than housing a prisoner to life in prison. At least try using facts. For which you said I should deal in facts and I must be wrong with your statement of "If you knew how to read". Funny, it again seems you put your foot in your mouth...because if you knew how to read you would see I clearly talked about the current system...the appeals process...and so on. Basically saying what you are trying to whine about know with the appeals and so on. In the end, the death penalty does cost more...in reality, on average...and so on. The Raider fan did deny his appeals...that is a rarity. And my comment about the death penalty is about the concept of it...not some exception to the rule about a guy denying his appeals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jarvis Basnight 119 Posted May 24, 2007 It's not the death penalty that is expensive. Killing people is cheap. It's the appeals process which causes several years of delay to the endeavor that causes it to be expensive. Thus it is a fallacy to state that "putting people to death is more expensive" - it's not. Keeping someone alive is exponentially more expensive than executing them. This is common sense. But then you have guilty people who are appealing and appealing and appealing, clogging up the system incuring more cost. People who sit in jail and quietly serve their time don't cost nearly as much as those on death row. In the end, the death penalty can cost more. On average it does because of all of this associated nonsense. Dude, give me a break. You've been splitting hairs with my posts from the beginning. I stated from the start that I don't like the death penalty b/c of the state costs due to appeals. I never said anything about the actual act of killing the person. I figured that was assumed in my posts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voice_Of_Reason 0 Posted May 24, 2007 Don't all raiders fans have a figurative death sentence? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grateful Parrot 0 Posted May 24, 2007 I read this whole thing, and all I can say is, " Damn we get bored in the off season!" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted May 24, 2007 I have an overinflated ego for thinking anyone comes into a thread because I started it. I like to insult others, but whine if anyone does the same to me. I simply cannot debate sho nuff with facts, so instead I change his quotes, put something about him in my sig, welch on my bet, insult him as often as I can....its because I have nothing to go on and I really am just a said cheap douche who nobody likes (both in reality and on this message board). I can do it too. So, you have nothing to debate with as far as facts? So, you think that by me coming into this thread, not even addressing you until you come in and spread BS about me...that makes me a stalker? Funny....I opened the thread because I saw the title, I never looked that you even posted the original topic...nor have I ever done so...nor do I give a damn who starts a topic. I open up topics that seem interesting... Get over yourself....you certainly are showing that you are not even worth the time that it takes to type up responses that put your in your place. Do you honestly think anyone believes the crap you are spewing about me? 36-4 welcher.... Care to actually discuss the topic? Or do you just prefer another thread gets locked because you cannot keep from slinging insults at me? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
football_scooter 0 Posted May 24, 2007 I'm a stalking troll who continues to prove it with every post in this topic. The sole reason that I came in here was because it was a football_scooter topic and that immediately dictated my opinion the subject: the opposite of his. I will antagonize and harass, say idiotic things, and most importantly, project the things that I am doing onto football_scooter, accusing him of the very things I am doing in this topic. I accuse football_scooter of the very action I conduct as a stalking troll - How sad for me that the very fact that he started this topic and I came in to troll in it proves with no uncertainty what a raging focktard I am. Well said, and I agree completely. I'm glad we can finally see eye to eye on things. Dude, give me a break. You've been splitting hairs with my posts from the beginning. I stated from the start that I don't like the death penalty b/c of the state costs due to appeals. I never said anything about the actual act of killing the person. I figured that was assumed in my posts. You asked an obvious question to which I provided an honest answer. if you don't like the answer, you can 1. ignore it 2. agree to disagree 3. go fauk yourself I am not particular on which of these three options you choose to employ - that's all you. time until stalker troll sho muff comes in with another 500 word response projecting his own twisted behavior on me in 10......9.......8......7........6......5......4.......3.......2........1...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgcrawfish 232 Posted May 24, 2007 In its review of death penalty expenses, the State of Kansas concluded that capital cases are 70% more expensive than comparable non-death penalty cases. * The investigation costs for death-sentence cases were about 3 times greater than for non-death cases. * The trial costs for death cases were about 16 times greater than for non-death cases ($508,000 for death case; $32,000 for non-death case). * The appeal costs for death cases were 21 times greater. * The costs of carrying out (i.e. incarceration and/or execution) a death sentence were about half the costs of carrying out a non-death sentence in a comparable case. * Trials involving a death sentence averaged 34 days, including jury selection; non-death trials averaged about 9 days. 1. There is some logic that says all of the above points would be true, and should be. Any case in which the DA/State is going to seek capital automatically get extra attention to dotting the "i's" and crossing the "t's", so it would follow that the investigation would in turn cost more. When proposing taking someones life, you should probably make sure everything is right. 2. If some dude roughs up his wife and is seen by her sister, her mom and every other relative there, a case like will be resolve much more quickly, and therefore much more inexpensively than going after the death penalty, as mentioned in item #1. I'd be curious to see something more relevant like a comparison of cases involving the same charge (ie Murder in the 1st) that are life in prison vs same crime w/ death penalty. My guess is the costs would be much closer. 3. Of course they're gonna appeal more, when faced with living vs dying, well, most of us would fight for life. 4. Last two points should addressed by 1-3 above. I like the facts, but would like to see more apples to apples comparisons rather than #'s that are obviously skewed by opponents of the death penalty. And yes, we are obviously bored on the bored... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
