5th Round Commentary

[Jetdoc 20]

So...when will the first Tight End (as a Wide Receiver) be taken? Hmmm....

[Fumbleweed 543]

He was already taken......some mock leader you are.........

 

[thedanzone 2]

I hope I didn't just sabotage my team by taking one too many Jets.

 

Coles should have a fine season this year as a continuation from last year. If he played for any other team, he sucks, but with the Jets he seems to do well.

[Jetdoc 20]

Rule #1: You can NEVAH have too many Jets.

Rule #2: If you doubt yourself, see Rule #1.

[Fumbleweed 543]

Rule #1: You can NEVAH have too many Jets.

Rule #2: If you doubt yourself, see Rule #1.

 

I agree. Chris Baker is my next pick.

[Da Bomb 0]

I agree. Chris Baker is my next pick.

NAME DROPPER!!!

[remote controller 143]

Just popped back in the office and will pick in a minute.

[Da Bomb 0]

we are sitting at 5.4, and there are four guys id love to add at my 5.9. lets see how good all you mockers really are...

[remote controller 143]

I wanted a wideout but really didn't see one that fit the bill, and I had Green rated above Lewis. I see both of these backs in dire offensive situations, but one of them has played in the offense he is stuck with.

[Fumbleweed 543]

I wanted a wideout but really didn't see one that fit the bill, and I had Green rated above Lewis. I see both of these backs in dire offensive situations, but one of them has played in the offense he is stuck with.

 

The Texans' line started to gel towards the end of last season more than some people realize. I personally think Green is a solid pick here. I like him a lot better than Jamal Lewis, too, who I think is pretty much done.

[Da Bomb 0]

great pick with mcnabb. never underestimate an angry great player. much as i hate taking QBs very high, i was going to boast like no tmo if i couldve filled out my team with mcnabb in the 5th. QBs continue to go higher than i expected, surprising.

[Da Bomb 0]

we are sitting at 5.4, and there are four guys id love to add at my 5.9. lets see how good all you mockers really are...

 

nice pick with deangelo here. now we're at 5.7 and two of those four i was eyeing are gone. tons of upside with deangelo, i dont understand how all his upside has fallen that much further behind a bunch of the other upside backs. i guess because foster is still around?

[Vikings4ever 550]

In retrospect, knowing Lewis and Green would be at the 4.12/5.01 turn, I'd have gone WR/WR at the last turn, and taken the 2 RBs here.

 

But being a RB guy, I can't complain about having LT2/Benson/Lewis.

 

I have Lewis and Green roughly equal, but I think the Browns will lean on him more with a rookie QB than the Texans will with Schaub.

[Da Bomb 0]

and you cant compare the texans OL to the browns.

[thedanzone 2]

nice pick with deangelo here. now we're at 5.7 and two of those four i was eyeing are gone. tons of upside with deangelo, i dont understand how all his upside has fallen that much further behind a bunch of the other upside backs. i guess because foster is still around?

 

I almost took Deangelo, but the RBBC scared me away for now. I have a feeling he might take the bulk of the carries, but until we get closer to see what's going to happen in CAR I'll keep on passing.

[Fumbleweed 543]

and you cant compare the texans OL to the browns.

 

I don't follow you here.

 

The Texans line has generally done a decent job of run blocking....it's their pass protection that has stunk, which has actually increased the RBs value given the amount of quick dump-offs that are required.

[Jetdoc 20]

Arrgh...the three players that I had pegged for 5.07 got taken.

 

Decided to take the last QB in my tier...and I have to say I like the value I got.

[Fumbleweed 543]

Arrgh...the three players that I had pegged for 5.07 got taken.

 

Decided to take the last QB in my tier...and I have to say I like the value I got.

 

Agreed. The top QB tier is now done for me.

[Da Bomb 0]

yeah bulger is the last QB in my top tier, though admittedly not a QB i want to be drafting. i wouldnt have taken him at my turn coming up, so i guess mcnabb was effectively the last of my top 5. i continue to be surprised by how abnormally high QBs are going in this draft, but im not complaining. that pick assured me i will get one of the two guys i was hoping to fall to me. hopefully robb will take one now so i dont have to pick.

 

I don't follow you here.

 

The Texans line has generally done a decent job of run blocking....it's their pass protection that has stunk, which has actually increased the RBs value given the amount of quick dump-offs that are required.

 

im talking about joe thomas and eric steinbach anchoring the left side of the browns line, immediately making it one of the top 5 left sides in the entire league. look at what that has done for priest, lj, alexander, chester taylor last year. jamal lewis is going to really enjoy running behind that side of the line if you ask me. and the rest of the line is as good or better than the texans too imo.

[Fumbleweed 543]

yeah bulger is the last QB in my top tier, though admittedly not a QB i want to be drafting. i wouldnt have taken him at my turn coming up, so i guess mcnabb was effectively the last of my top 5. i continue to be surprised by how abnormally high QBs are going in this draft, but im not complaining. that pick assured me i will get one of the two guys i was hoping to fall to me. hopefully robb will take one now so i dont have to pick.

im talking about joe thomas and eric steinbach anchoring the left side of the browns line, immediately making it one of the top 5 left sides in the entire league. look at what that has done for priest, lj, alexander, chester taylor last year. jamal lewis is going to really enjoy running behind that side of the line if you ask me. and the rest of the line is as good or better than the texans too imo.

 

Sounds good. It just seemed like the Browns ran the ball miserably last year and that's all I had to go on.

[robb 81]

damn... I was hoping for Deangelo here (or even Green), but both got taken in front of me. And, I was under the belief (false as it turned out) that I would get a jump on the third RB on my roster before anyone else...guess not!!

 

So, Norwood has great potential to replace Dunn, and I think it will be sooner in this season than later-new coaching staff, altho I realize they didn't draft him either. he's gained some weight now and may just prove to be the back they need.

 

Okay Da Bomb...did you get who you wanted now at 5.9?

[Da Bomb 0]

ive done really well with basing RB selections off of line play in the past few years. again, thats the reason for the hope for edge this year. thats also the reason i think people shouldnt be giving up jamal lewis for dead.

 

i am honestly completely shocked to see julius jones there at 5.9, the 29th RB selected in the draft. i thought he would be a 3rd round pick or maybe slipping into the 4th if people really didnt care for him, and i was surprised when he was there at my 4.4 but im not a huge jones fan and i hate the cowboys.

 

that being said, isnt jones the assumed starter still? everything ive heard out of dallas has him the starter, and furthermore probably has him not getting pulled every time at the goal line for mr barber too. i think this guy may legitimately be a top 15 RB and could even be top 10 behind that massive line if he gets the touches he needs, and i was expecting that this was the year he'd do it. i personally wouldnt want to rely on him as a starter, but i wouldnt be in this scenario. honestly i hate dallas and i hate their RBBC as it burned me last year, but i was under the impression that it was going to be less pushed this year. what am i smoking here? was i crazy to expect jones to go in the 3rd or 4th? he went high 2nd last year, and even splitting half time and losing all goal line touches, he still had 1200 yards and 4 TDs last year. even if thats all it is again, i'll live with that quite happily as my RB3. i just dont know what im missing here, i have to assume ive missed big news out of dallas or something.

 

btw the 4th player i had my eye on is still there as well. but jones was clearly the better value in my mind, and this player left is similar to a couple others. he'll probably be gone before my 6.4, but i think one of the similar ones will be there with only a small dropoff.

[NAn 39]

Just got to work, let me settle in and I'll make my pick in next 10mins

[Fumbleweed 543]

ive done really well with basing RB selections off of line play in the past few years. again, thats the reason for the hope for edge this year. thats also the reason i think people shouldnt be giving up jamal lewis for dead.

 

i am honestly completely shocked to see julius jones there at 5.9, the 29th RB selected in the draft. i thought he would be a 3rd round pick or maybe slipping into the 4th if people really didnt care for him, and i was surprised when he was there at my 4.4 but im not a huge jones fan and i hate the cowboys.

 

that being said, isnt jones the assumed starter still? everything ive heard out of dallas has him the starter, and furthermore probably has him not getting pulled every time at the goal line for mr barber too. i think this guy may legitimately be a top 15 RB and could even be top 10 behind that massive line if he gets the touches he needs, and i was expecting that this was the year he'd do it. i personally wouldnt want to rely on him as a starter, but i wouldnt be in this scenario. honestly i hate dallas and i hate their RBBC as it burned me last year, but i was under the impression that it was going to be less pushed this year. what am i smoking here? was i crazy to expect jones to go in the 3rd or 4th? he went high 2nd last year, and even splitting half time and losing all goal line touches, he still had 1200 yards and 4 TDs last year. even if thats all it is again, i'll live with that quite happily as my RB3. i just dont know what im missing here, i have to assume ive missed big news out of dallas or something.

 

btw the 4th player i had my eye on is still there as well. but jones was clearly the better value in my mind, and this player left is similar to a couple others. he'll probably be gone before my 6.4, but i think one of the similar ones will be there with only a small dropoff.

 

Everything I've read suggests Barber is the slight favorite to win the job. He's just a more complete back, I think. Maybe others have heard differently........

 

Most "expert" rankings have Barber ranked between #22-25 at RB while Jones is ranked in the early to mid 30s.........

[Vikings4ever 550]

ive done really well with basing RB selections off of line play in the past few years. again, thats the reason for the hope for edge this year. thats also the reason i think people shouldnt be giving up jamal lewis for dead.

 

i am honestly completely shocked to see julius jones there at 5.9, the 29th RB selected in the draft. i thought he would be a 3rd round pick or maybe slipping into the 4th if people really didnt care for him, and i was surprised when he was there at my 4.4 but im not a huge jones fan and i hate the cowboys.

 

that being said, isnt jones the assumed starter still? everything ive heard out of dallas has him the starter, and furthermore probably has him not getting pulled every time at the goal line for mr barber too. i think this guy may legitimately be a top 15 RB and could even be top 10 behind that massive line if he gets the touches he needs, and i was expecting that this was the year he'd do it. i personally wouldnt want to rely on him as a starter, but i wouldnt be in this scenario. honestly i hate dallas and i hate their RBBC as it burned me last year, but i was under the impression that it was going to be less pushed this year. what am i smoking here? was i crazy to expect jones to go in the 3rd or 4th? he went high 2nd last year, and even splitting half time and losing all goal line touches, he still had 1200 yards and 4 TDs last year. even if thats all it is again, i'll live with that quite happily as my RB3. i just dont know what im missing here, i have to assume ive missed big news out of dallas or something.

 

btw the 4th player i had my eye on is still there as well. but jones was clearly the better value in my mind, and this player left is similar to a couple others. he'll probably be gone before my 6.4, but i think one of the similar ones will be there with only a small dropoff.

Actually, as I recall, he went mid 3rd last year.

 

He's a good yardage back, but as good as Barber looked last year, especially at the goal line, I don't see Dallas trying to fix what ain't broke.

[FantasyKing 4]

I have 2 comments thus far -

 

1. Sitting in the 12 hole SUCKS, watching 20+ players go off the board before you pick although picking back to back is sweet, but the wait is brutal.

 

2. You all SUCK. Damn good drafters.

 

[Fumbleweed 543]

Who was supposed to call Miller? Jet? His pick will be up in minutes...........

[Da Bomb 0]

makes a lot more sense to me to have mb3 getting the bulk of the carries. just not how i actually see it playing out i guess.

 

i think its jet who is supposed to call mt, but i can do it if hes not around.

[robb 81]

dallas:

Who knows yet!! Wade hasn't let it be know what his preferense is at RB yet, at least to my knowlwdge. What I hear on the boards is that indeed, Barber may have the inside track, but until I hear it from Dallas, it seams pure speculation at this point. Sounds familiar to Minny, Detroit, Atlanta, etc.....

[Da Bomb 0]

heh... guess i'll have to get used to passing on them both a lot then.

 

Just got to work, let me settle in and I'll make my pick in next 10mins

 

which 10 minutes were you talking about nano? i think we all knew you were going to go with your mr bell, didnt we?

[NAn 39]

Man, I am a GLUTTON for punishment…what is this? The 3rd year in a row I’ve drafted this guy?

 

Well, with you guys taking everyone I was considering here with the last 5-7 picks , was looking for a b/up RB or WR. I Think the WRs I’m considering will still be there on the comeback and, even though it’s TATUM, think I found a solid b/up RB: projected starter, should get bulk of carries, Kjones did well while healthy with this offense.

[Da Bomb 0]

i think i actually talked myself into him last year if i remember right. lol. i always end up talking myself into people in this mock. see also: jones, julius. stupid not having projections done yet, and stupid no trade rule.

[FantasyKing 4]

Is someone calling Miller or what's the deal?

[ShaneFalco 0]

Man, I am a GLUTTON for punishment…what is this? The 3rd year in a row I’ve drafted this guy?

 

Well, with you guys taking everyone I was considering here with the last 5-7 picks , was looking for a b/up RB or WR. I Think the WRs I’m considering will still be there on the comeback and, even though it’s TATUM, think I found a solid b/up RB: projected starter, should get bulk of carries, Kjones did well while healthy with this offense.

 

I like the upside here and I was hoping one of the RBs taken on this mini-run would come back, but Tatum worries me a little. Trying not to drop names: Last years starter that got hurt had the pins removed from his foot and is reportedly up walking around. The coaching staff thinks he'll be back at some point this year. Also the other FA back we picked up could vulture GL carries. He may post respectable yardage totals, but i don't see very many TDs

[Da Bomb 0]

Is someone calling Miller or what's the deal?

 

i can do it if jd isnt around. or you can send me a list if you prefer.

[NAn 39]

Like Ahman pick…agree that it’s Texans pass blocking that’s been their problem and Ahman showed he still has some left last year.

 

Guess Mcnabb is about right, no one else concerned about a mobile qb coming back from injury though?

 

Like Deangelo, as just don’t see Foster staying healthy and even if he does, think Deangelo will earn more carries.

 

Bulger is anomaly to me.

Everyone likes him every year but till last year he had never thrown for more than 22tds (just 2 of 3 times over 20) and has yet to play a full season, including missing 8 games in ’05.

With all that said, he’s consistently in top 7-9 in rankings by year end and finally put it together last year: 16 games played, 4300yds, 24tds and just 8 ints something he’s had problem with in past.

 

Curious on thoughts from everyone on:

Bell...any chance to perform as starting FF RB? Or just nice as a #3

Mcnabb…my injury concern.

Djax…perennial 3rd rnder…only reason for drop b/c of in SF? Expectations of him this year?

[Jetdoc 20]

Just talked to him - he's on the road and, as a result, it's a bit hard to get a grasp of the last 14 picks or so that he missed.

 

He's going to pick within the next hour and a half...so everyone go grab some lunch, and we'll get this thing going again in a bit.

 

I'm very happy with the progress so far (we're almost halfway done), so taking a little break isn't going to kill us.

[NAn 39]

I like the upside here and I was hoping one of the RBs taken on this mini-run would come back, but Tatum worries me a little. Trying not to drop names: Last years starter that got hurt had the pins removed from his foot and is reportedly up walking around. The coaching staff thinks he'll be back at some point this year. Also the other FA back we picked up could vulture GL carries. He may post respectable yardage totals, but i don't see very many TDs

 

Nice take...thanks for info.

 

For my part, my thinking was even if 'other RB' is doing well walking around, the fact that they traded for Bell, let's me know they are still at least concerned.

 

Good call with 'FA RB', though as my #3 some solid yardage and a few of Tatum's long run TDs is all I'd expect...anything more would be gravy.

[Da Bomb 0]

re: djax. i never thought he shouldve been a 3rd round WR. shoudlve been picked about where he was now, and now he moved to a team with a much worse passing situation. imo djax's value before was just because of his rapport with hasselbeck, and the consequently decent TD rate. with that gone, and the ever persistent injury concerns, hes not a guy i will care to look much into personally.

 

re: tatum. honestly just not on my radar really, which might be a mistake in that offense, but i just dont see any reason to expect much from any of those RBs in that offense.

[NAn 39]

For debate: Lions RB last year did pretty well in that offense last year.

Finished 23rd while missing 4 games...if prorated his ff scoring over 16 games would have finished top10.

 

If anything, think in 2nd year in Martz system, offense intact (sub Bell for other RB) and a certain rookie addition could be even better.

 

Am I missing something?