Ahman Green underrated this year?

[lomoman 0]

The Houston running game looked pretty good the last month of the season. Ahman is 30 but he is in good shape this offseason. He is a solid receiver and is back with Mike Sherman. Anyone think that he will outperform some of the other guys being drafted 2 rounds before him?

 

In a ppr league I can see him outperforming the following:

 

Travis Henry - Shanahan is a big x factor/ not a great receiver/

 

Brandon Jacobs - his body weight is a huge factor - I can see him over on the sidelines hurling after 12 carries.

 

Cedric Benson- very injury prone/APeterson is being vastly overlooked - this guy is a solid RB - this could end up being a 50/50 split by the middle of the season

 

Clinton Portis - I'm not buying into a 50/50 but they did sign Betts for a reason and it's not just as an insurance policy. He is a talent that will be utilized.

 

thoughts?

[famousb 11]

honestly,

the only two guys on that list i could see him potentially outperforming are Benson and Jacobs...

and i only say that because we haven't seen either one carry the load for a full season.

 

Ahman could do OK, but the HOU offense still isn't all that good. And Ron Dayne is still going to be the short yardage back - he's the one that looked good in that last month or so of last season, so he's not just going to drop completely out of the picture...

AG could get some good yardage, but i definitely don't see double-digit TD production from him.

[remote controller 143]

honestly,

the only two guys on that list i could see him potentially outperforming are Benson and Jacobs...

and i only say that because we haven't seen either one carry the load for a full season.

 

Ahman could do OK, but the HOU offense still isn't all that good. And Ron Dayne is still going to be the short yardage back - he's the one that looked good in that last month or so of last season, so he's not just going to drop completely out of the picture...

AG could get some good yardage, but i definitely don't see double-digit TD production from him.

Dayne???? Short yardage???? Really??? I have never seen him begin to move a pile.

[famousb 11]

Dayne???? Short yardage???? Really??? I have never seen him begin to move a pile.

 

Dayne led the league in fewest 'stuffs' per carry last season... and put up 426 yds and 5 tds in the last 5 games of the season...

 

and Kubiak has been quoted as saying:

We've got a nice luxury right now having Ahman here... So that's a great 1-2 punch, because they're different type of players. When Ahman comes out of a game, to have a big guy like Ronny come in is a nice complement.

and

There's no pressure then on Samkon, Wali or Chris Taylor. They can just show us what they are capable of, because we already know who our two guys are right now

 

if that doesn't translate into Dayne being the sy/gl back as of right now, i don't know what does...

 

 

HTH

[mozzy84 0]

common sense says green will be the lone ball carrier and goal line back, I think the coach was just being nice, I don't see any kind of committee here. I would rather get aman in the 4th/5th than spending my second rounder on portis or my third on Jacobs. he seems like better value right now than all those guys except for Benson who is going late 2nd early 3rd.

[famousb 11]

common sense says green will be the lone ball carrier and goal line back, I think the coach was just being nice, I don't see any kind of committee here. I would rather get aman in the 4th/5th than spending my second rounder on portis or my third on Jacobs. he seems like better value right now than all those guys except for Benson who is going late 2nd early 3rd.

 

 

what common sense are you using?? Ahman's only ever carried the ball 300+ times in a season twice in his career, usually avg'ing about 360...

 

do i think it'll be a 50/50, or even 60/40 split? heck no... but Kub isn't going to use Ahman as a workhorse back and have him in for all 3 downs on every series...

[listen2me 23 1,834]

I don't know if people are underrating him or just not talking about him...

 

I could see him get 1100 rushyds 6 TDs 40 rec 350 yds and a TD....health is a factor though.

[famousb 11]

I don't know if people are underrating him or just not talking about him...

 

I could see him get 1100 rushyds 6 TDs 40 rec 350 yds and a TD....health is a factor though.

 

yup.

right in line w/ what he did 2 of the last 3 years... the other of which he only played 5 games...

[mozzy84 0]

 

what common sense are you using?? Ahman's only ever carried the ball 300+ times in a season twice in his career, usually avg'ing about 360...

 

do i think it'll be a 50/50, or even 60/40 split? heck no... but Kub isn't going to use Ahman as a workhorse back and have him in for all 3 downs on every series...

my common sense is he's is way better than any back on the roster. Dayne put up some stats against indy and tenn at the end of the year, the guy is a bum, I will be shocked if they are pulling ahman at the goaline like you suggested. Of course he will get spelled 7-10 times a game just like very other full time starter.

[Ace08 11]

With all due respect to the original poster of this thread....Travis Henry is head and shoulders better than any of those 4 and doesn't even belong in the conversation. You should be sent to fantasy football prison if you really think Ahman Green will outproduce Henry in ANY format. Some of you people have a very bad case of short term memory. Shanahan did what he had to do the last couple of years because looking back (and wll all know hindsight is 20-20)...Denver hasn't exactly had a true #1 guy or a "gamebreaker" at the RB position since Portis left. And speaking of which....Shanahan didn't employ a RBBC with either TD or CP so I think there is just as much history pointing to the fact Shanahan just plays the hand that is dealt him.

 

You don't pay a guy that much money to use him in an RBBC...much less an RBBC with Mike Bell of all people. Henry is a virtual lock for 300 carries and will VASTLY outproduce anyone on that list.

 

As for Ahman Green...his best days are behind him and that Houston O-Line isn't exactly great. He's clearly 4th best of the 4 you mentioned above.

[mozzy84 0]

With all due respect to the original poster of this thread....Travis Henry is head and shoulders better than any of those 4 and doesn't even belong in the conversation. You should be sent to fantasy football prison if you really think Ahman Green will outproduce Henry in ANY format. Some of you people have a very bad case of short term memory. Shanahan did what he had to do the last couple of years because looking back (and wll all know hindsight is 20-20)...Denver hasn't exactly had a true #1 guy or a "gamebreaker" at the RB position since Portis left. And speaking of which....Shanahan didn't employ a RBBC with either TD or CP so I think there is just as much history pointing to the fact Shanahan just plays the hand that is dealt him.

 

You don't pay a guy that much money to use him in an RBBC...much less an RBBC with Mike Bell of all people. Henry is a virtual lock for 300 carries and will VASTLY outproduce anyone on that list.

 

As for Ahman Green...his best days are behind him and that Houston O-Line isn't exactly great. He's clearly 4th best of the 4 you mentioned above.

no one should be saying he is going to outperform anyone on the list, just maybe a good value where he is being drafted, travis henry is a borderline first round pick where ahman can be had in the 4/5th which isnt bad for a rb with the full time job.

[GobbleDog 987]

ahman can be had in the 4/5th which isnt bad for a rb with the full time job.

Ahman Green is currently the 26th RB taken in average mock drafts. Considering Green's history and current situation, it seems likely that Ahman will finish as the 26th best RB or slightly better. So he is good value at that pick. But I think the odds of him finishing say 15th or better is unrealistic.

[Gepetto 1,309]

Ahman Green is currently the 26th RB taken in average mock drafts. Considering Green's history and current situation, it seems likely that Ahman will finish as the 26th best RB or slightly better. So he is good value at that pick. But I think the odds of him finishing say 15th or better is unrealistic.

 

Why? He was 13th just last year in f.pts/game by a rb, and 10th in ppr in f.pts/game by a rb.

[GobbleDog 987]

Why? He was 13th just last year in f.pts/game by a rb, and 10th in ppr in f.pts/game by a rb.

Matt Schaub

[mozzy84 0]

Ahman Green is currently the 26th RB taken in average mock drafts. Considering Green's history and current situation, it seems likely that Ahman will finish as the 26th best RB or slightly better. So he is good value at that pick. But I think the odds of him finishing say 15th or better is unrealistic.

IF, and a pretty big if, he played an entire 16 game season he will easily be top 20 just because of the amount of touches he will get. He's not a bad option if a person wants to take a qb or a couple wide outs early and wait for there #2 rb.

[GobbleDog 987]

He's not a bad option if a person wants to take a qb or a couple wide outs early and wait for there #2 rb.

 

He's not a bad option at all. And I'm that guy who'll be taking a stud WR in the 2nd round and a top QB in the 3rd. (only because my league gives top QBs a huge point advantage - otherwise, I'd wait).

 

So I'm going to need help from after-thought RBs like Ahman Green.

[Parja 0]

thoughts?

 

 

Degenerative knees.

 

Someone had to say it.

[Zackattack 0]

I would prefer the younger choices available where he goes.

 

D.Will

Norwood

 

 

I may even take Jackson (GB back)

[GobbleDog 987]

I would prefer the younger choices available where he goes.

 

D.Will

Norwood

I may even take Jackson (GB back)

 

If a clear cut starter ever emerges in Green Bay, I'd consider him. I'm not big on Williams or Norwood. Projecting their stats seems like a total crap shoot. They could be great, or they could suck as bad as last year. I'm not willing to take that chance.

[mozzy84 0]

If a clear cut starter ever emerges in Green Bay, I'd consider him. I'm not big on Williams or Norwood. Projecting their stats seems like a total crap shoot. They could be great, or they could suck as bad as last year. I'm not willing to take that chance.

yea thats just it, I was more speaking from the here and now, the adp for all of those guys including green will probably be different come august. Sure those other guys are worth a gamble as a #3 imo but if your going to draft one as a number 2 I would rather have a full time guy even if he's on a crap team.

[Gepetto 1,309]

 

Degenerative knees.

 

Someone had to say it.

 

That's not true. It was made up on this board by accident back in 2002 so I've recently seen.

 

Matt Schaub

 

A very talented QB with 4 years experience in practice and preseason in the NFL. Strong arm. QUICK release. Poise. Ultimate Professional and dedicated to being the best football player he can be. That's a poor reasoning for thinking Ahman will do worse than last year. Nice try though.

[Ras66not99 0]

my common sense is he's is way better than any back on the roster. Dayne put up some stats against indy and tenn at the end of the year, the guy is a bum, I will be shocked if they are pulling ahman at the goaline like you suggested. Of course he will get spelled 7-10 times a game just like very other full time starter.

I gotta agree with Mozzy here.... No one should be pushing Ron Dayne for any reason, the guy is trash....

 

Ahman should be a solid fantasy player this year, nothing spectacular but he is on the Texans so we gotta take that into account here..... Kubiak has installed that cut back blocking scheme which is right up AHMAN"S Alley if anyone has ever watched the guy run.... The Line didn't look to bad at the end of last year (granted they did play a few cake walk Run D's but they looked prety decent) Texans schedule isn't too tough this year either.... wouldn't shock me if Ahman put up 1200 and had a similar season like Thomas Jones from last year...

[GobbleDog 987]

A very talented QB with 4 years experience in practice and preseason in the NFL.

 

Admit it - you laughed while you typed that.

[Gepetto 1,309]

Admit it - you laughed while you typed that.

 

maybe, I did just laugh now though!

[Pocket Pair Professor 0]

Why? He was 13th just last year in f.pts/game by a rb, and 10th in ppr in f.pts/game by a rb.

 

He is 2 years removed from unhealthy year and playing an easier schedule than last season in green bay. He will be in my top ten this year.

[49ER MAN 0]

I don't know if people are underrating him or just not talking about him...

 

I could see him get 1100 rushyds 6 TDs 40 rec 350 yds and a TD....health is a factor though.

 

I could see Ahman put up those numbers and maybe even better. Heck, Domanick Williams (Davis) did that and even a little better for a few seasons in Houston before knee injuries robbed him of possibly becoming a star. Ahman could have a nice year if he stays healthy. Good luck with that.

[CookieG 4]

Admit it - you laughed while you typed that. biggrin.gif

 

I wouldn't bet against Schaub succeeding with Hou's schedule. He was good in his limited opportunities with the Falcons. I know my Giants, even during good years, have a habit of playing down to there competition.. but i was at a game where Schaub completely took them apart. Thought the Gints would roll against a back-up and it didn't work out that way.

 

He should've escaped Ron Mexico's shadow a couple years ago and gotten his shot. The guy has good skills.

 

I have zero to add to the AG speculation

[Parja 0]

That's not true. It was made up on this board by accident back in 2002 so I've recently seen.

 

Doesn't mean someone didn't have to say it.

[softball 0]

Matt Schaub

 

and offensive line.

The Packers played pretty well up front in 2006, surprisingly.

 

3'

[famousb 11]

He is 2 years removed from unhealthy year and playing an easier schedule than last season in green bay. He will be in my top ten this year.

 

[Jokers 0]

Matt Schaub

 

This could actually be a reason he will have a good season. With no #2 WR on the team, AJ stretching the field, and Green having a history of being an excellent receiver out of the backfield, I think both O. Daniels and Green will have good seasons this year.

 

As far as injury concerns, since 2000 Green has played at least 14 games and gotten over 1,000 yards except 2005 (played 5 games), and caught at least 40 passes for almost 400 yds.

 

Lets check out others with injury concerns (according to posts)

Alexander, Gore, Maroney, Portis, F. Taylor, LJ (according to the doomdayers because of his load last year), Westbrook, (it seems to come up about most RBs in posts) or worries about RBBC McCallister/Bush, Taylor/Peterson, Jones/Barber, Portis/Betts, Taylor/Drew. Ronnie Brown and Benson seem to fall into the "I'm not convinced they can do well" category.

 

It seems Tiki had the same problem for a couple of years, he would drop in the draft because of his age, and folks would get a good value at his ADP.

[GobbleDog 987]

and Green having a history of being an excellent receiver out of the backfield, I think both O. Daniels and Green will have good seasons this year.

He better get some receptions, because defensive coordinators are probably going to stack the box until Schuab proves he can throw and Houston's o-line isn't all that great to begin with.

 

Green is a decent RB, but his new situation in Houston is a downgrade from Green Bay IMO.

[Andrew C. Wozniak 0]

Dude he has a degenerative knee. Seriously.

 

The bored abides.

[The Moz 69]

That's not true. It was made up on this board by accident back in 2002 so I've recently seen.

 

Shirley you can't be serious

[Zackattack 0]

Ahman seemed pretty mediocre last year. I don't know if he has any exposion left like he did when he was younger. For a 5th round pick he is fine. He will be on the injury report quite a bit also. he is a lower risk player without much upside if you ask me.

 

I guess it depends on how you draft. Maybe if you go RB/WR/WR/QB/RB or something like that. I think you could wait and get Fred Taylor a round or 2 later.

[Parja 0]

That's not true. It was made up on this board by accident back in 2002 so I've recently seen.

 

Do a Google search for "ahman green degenerative knee". There's mention of it all over the place.

[The Moz 69]

Do a Google search for "ahman green degenerative knee". There's mention of it all over the place.

 

I actually know for a fact it isn't true !

 

 

 

or at least wasn't true then  ( He is 30 now so who knows really ).  

[Bubbameister 0]

Denver hasn't exactly had a true #1 guy or a "gamebreaker" at the RB position since Portis left.

 

And they don't have one in Travis Henry. Henry is a work horse back. He isn't known for being capable of bringing it to the house on any given play. T.H. is a solid player. He moves the chains allowing his team to control the clock. Given T.H.'s ADP vs. A. Green's I think Ahman represents the better value in PPR leagues.

[Bert 1,128]

Here is a Houston homer's take on A. Green. He is a great value pick this year. You can get him very cheap and he could put up RB2 numbers.

 

I'll start with the o-line. Many of the problems with the Houston o-line last year were the result of David Carr. His inablity to read, react and deliver the ball at NFL speed resulted in sacks and teams putting 8 in the box every down and forcing Carr to beat them. Still with 8 in the box this o-line managed to open enough holes to allow the craptastic Dayne to average 4.1 yards per carry. Also this is basically the same line that allowed Dominque Davis to put up good numbers. This o-line is not as bad as Carr made them look.

 

Quarterback - Shaub is light years ahead of Carr in terms of the mental aspect of playing the QB position. In order to produce as an NFL QB you have to be able to read coverage, understand coverage and deliver the ball in a short period of time Carr could not do that. All the physical talent in the world won't help you at QB if you can get the mental side down. Just look at Jeff George and Ryan Leaf.

 

Defense - I believe the defense will be better this year so the offense should spend more time on the field.

 

Runningbacks - The Texans have had crap at RB since DDavis was injured. I believe AGreen now is as at least as good if not better than DDavis was a couple of years ago.

 

Injury is a concern with Green. If healthy (I know a big if) he should put up very good numbers at a low price.