Legislatures May Act on Columbia

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As the president of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, prepares to address Columbia University today amid a storm of student protest, state and city lawmakers say they are considering withholding public funds from the school to protest its decision to invite the leader to campus.

 

In an interview with The New York Sun, the speaker of the Assembly, Sheldon Silver, said lawmakers, outraged over Columbia's insistence on allowing the Iranian president to speak at its World Leaders Forum, would consider reducing capital aid and other financial assistance to the school.

 

This motherfocker should have NEVER been allowed in the US to begin with.

[Cruzer 1,995]

it's disgusting this university allows this sick fock to speak but does not allow ROTC on campus.

 

but, to his credit, lee bollinger was hard on him and took a stance i would have never imagined he'd take.

[Evil number 0]

He is a World leader, whats wrong with letting him speak?

[NorthernVike 2,086]

Did you actualy watch it? The President of Columbia Univeristy focking pwned that muthafucker He slammed him over and over and over again. It was sweeeeeeeeeet Then the numnuts got up and spit all over the mic.

[Evil number 0]

Did you actualy watch it? The President of Columbia Univeristy focking pwned that muthafucker He slammed him over and over and over again. It was sweeeeeeeeeet Then the numnuts got up and spit all over the mic.

 

Did'nt see it but thats what free speech is all about. Letting fools look foolish in front of the world.

Columbia should be commended.

[NorthernVike 2,086]

Did'nt see it but thats what free speech is all about. Letting fools look foolish in front of the world.

Columbia should be commended.

 

 

I was pisssed that they were going to let him speak but now I think its greta. They set the dumbshit up and he took it hook line and sinker. Fock you Imadinajaaddd......what ever your name is, You Iranian fock.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

This guy is an enemy of the U.S., has nuclear technology and had threatened to use it, has helped arm and outfit the opposition in Iraq, has perpetrated the standard civil rights abuses of the Muslim nations and Bollinger blasts him about his denial of the holocaust. Big whoop.

[NorthernVike 2,086]

This guy is an enemy of the U.S., has nuclear technology and had threatened to use it, has helped arm and outfit the opposition in Iraq, has perpetrated the standard civil rights abuses of the Muslim nations and Bollinger blasts him about his denial of the holocaust. Big whoop.

 

 

All valid points. By the way the Pres of the U stated all of the above along with him denying the holicost and the fact that he wants to destroy Isreal before the asshat was alowed to speak.

[Cruzer 1,995]

He is a World leader, whats wrong with letting him speak?

fine, but columbia is beating their chest pretending to be a champion of free speech - which is a joke.

[wiffleball 4,790]

I was pisssed that they were going to let him speak but now I think its greta. They set the dumbshit up and he took it hook line and sinker. Fock you Imadinajaaddd......what ever your name is, You Iranian fock.

 

 

Agreed. I'm not sure I've ever seen a National Leader spoken to like that in public at anytime in history.

 

I wasn't for it, but it worked out pretty well. Hell, it's not like this is a first - Musharaff spoke at the Kennedy School of Government (the same place Shrill Oreally spent a year at). Musharaff is a dictator who took over in a military coup, has threatened to use, has tested, and is the leader of the only country to admit providing nuke technology to the Axis of Evil. Oh by the way - His country has more terror spreading madrassas than any other and our own NIE tells us that AQ is fully reconstituted and living, training and operating hassle free in Pakistan.

 

So... If we're going to let a cat like that speak unchallenged, then I s'pose it's okay if we line this Iranian focker up for some brow-beating. I'm sure he's never gotten that kind of a wake up call anywhere else.

[wiffleball 4,790]

fine, but columbia is beating their chest pretending to be a champion of free speech - which is a joke.

 

I'm assuming your comment is based upon the infamous "minuteman" incident. If so, your point shows your ignorance. In both cases, the speakers were invited by the University and allowed to speak there by the highest levels of the university. In the minuteman case, a small group of inviduals (either Chicanos or Socialists) disrupted the speaker. - It sure as fock wasn't condoned, planned by, or tolerated by the University itself.

 

If you want to start calling say, America, or the U.S. Military, or Cops, or Christians hypocrites because of the actions of a relatively few members of those organizations too, fine. But it's pretty misguided. If you'd prefer to call the specific protestors that didn't disrupt BOTH speakers equally hypocrites, that may be a little more on point. Though, I'd imagine after the first incident, security was stepped up significantly to make sure exactly something like that never happened again.

[Cdub100 3,907]

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This motherfocker should have NEVER been allowed in the US to begin with.

 

It's sad to see you hate the values that this country was founded on. One of those is the right to free speech. And yes, I'm well aware he is not a US citizen, but that right should be a world wide right. I say let any world leader come here and speak. I'd love to see them get smacked down the way this moron did. Also, the more you post the more I feel you would be happy in a Communist society.

[wiffleball 4,790]

Wanna think of a little irony?

 

 

 

When George Bush speaks to his own citizens at a 'town hall' event like this, attendees have been required to sign a "loyalty oath" endorsing the President (or VP), promising to vote for him, prove that you are a registered Republican and/or promising not to criticize, boo, 'disrupt' or challenge the President in any way.

 

 

 

You needed to sign no such document to attend this event.

[Boz/BoFan 0]

It's sad to see you hate the values that this country was founded on. One of those is the right to free speech. And yes, I'm well aware he is not a US citizen, but that right should be a world wide right. I say let any world leader come here and speak. I'd love to see them get smacked down the way this moron did. Also, the more you post the more I feel you would be happy in a Communist society.

 

Ive never seen a group a people misinterpret or abuse free speech issues like the flaming libs on this board. This isnt a free speech issue for the billionth time.

 

Does Iminajihad have the right to come to this country, sure. Does he have the right to set up shop on the corner of Main Street USA and extol the "virtues" of his pathetic regime while at the same time criticize every policy of the US, definitely. But his right to speak does not guarantee him the right to be heard, and thats exactly what Columbia did, they gave him a forum which is my problem with the issue.

 

This is a guy who leads thousands of people at a time with cheers of "Death to America, death to USA" monthly. Its been proven, as the Columbia pres. stated that he is actively engaged in killing our soldiers.....he has American blood on his hands. Not to mention Iran is a state sponsor of terrorists among the hundreds of other human rights issues that have been proven time and time again.

 

The supposed "brow beating" by the pres. of Columbia put in context of what he allowed Innajihad to do is laughable. Thats much like berating a thief/murderer standing outside of your house to his face and then allow him inside take what he wants and kill your family in the process......."oh he may have murdered my family but I gave him one heck of a tongue lashing before he did it! That makes us even". Moron.

 

The world is laughing at us.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Wanna think of a little irony?

When George Bush speaks to his own citizens at a 'town hall' event like this, attendees have been required to sign a "loyalty oath" endorsing the President (or VP), promising to vote for him, prove that you are a registered Republican and/or promising not to criticize, boo, 'disrupt' or challenge the President in any way.

You needed to sign no such document to attend this event.

 

Gotta link to this "loyalty oath"?

[wiffleball 4,790]

While I'm not a fan of the guy or the idea, Picking and choosing who gets a forum to speak is the very heart of the violation of free speech. I have no doubt the world is laughing at us. Our own President can't tell the difference between Austria and Australia. In fact they DID laugh - out loud - repeatedly - because of his repeated gaffes. But as disliked, distrusted and disrespected as Bush is around the world, other nations let him speak. Our President has spoken in nations where people are violently opposed to us. Where we've backed juntas and governments that killed tens of thousands - if not more - where we've actively done awful things - and yet, they listened.

 

The fact that we let this nutjob - the very definition of everything we abhor - speak - isn't cause for derision, it's cause for respect for a country that values Democracy over hatred, Freedom over suppresion. The world may indeed laugh at us for many many things, but not for this. Videos of this will make its way to brainwashed Arabs and Persians around the world. They will hear our condemnation, our ridicule and see this idiot flailing about unable to withstand the challenge of unrestricted truth and intellect - and they will decide for themselves whether to believe the lies and propoganda that they've been fed.

[Snuff 10]

While I'm not a fan of the guy or the idea, Picking and choosing who gets a forum to speak is the very heart of the violation of free speech. I have no doubt the world is laughing at us. Our own President can't tell the difference between Austria and Australia. In fact they DID laugh - out loud - repeatedly - because of his repeated gaffes. But as disliked, distrusted and disrespected as Bush is around the world, other nations let him speak. Our President has spoken in nations where people are violently opposed to us. Where we've backed juntas and governments that killed tens of thousands - if not more - where we've actively done awful things - and yet, they listened.

 

The fact that we let this nutjob - the very definition of everything we abhor - speak - isn't cause for derision, it's cause for respect for a country that values Democracy over hatred, Freedom over suppresion. The world may indeed laugh at us for many many things, but not for this. Videos of this will make its way to brainwashed Arabs and Persians around the world. They will hear our condemnation, our ridicule and see this idiot flailing about unable to withstand the challenge of unrestricted truth and intellect - and they will decide for themselves whether to believe the lies and propoganda that they've been fed.

 

Good stuff in here.

[wiffleball 4,790]

Gotta link to this "loyalty oath"?

 

Are you really unaware about this? Man, talk about living in denial.

 

Here's one of about 1,000 stories you can research yourself:

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles...at_rnc_rallies/

 

I was particularly disgusted by one anectdote.

 

Nick Lucy, a 64-year-old veteran and Democrat, said he was turned away from a May 7 rally in Dubuque, Iowa, at which President Bush spoke even though he had a ticket given to him by a local Republican leader. Lucy, who was not asked to sign a form (not even given a chance), said he has seen every president since Ronald Reagan, but he was denied access because he is not a registered Republican. He is a Democrat and a past commander of the American Legion in Dubuque who plays taps at veterans' funerals.

 

''They asked the police to escort me out of there," Lucy said. ''I wasn't going to disrupt anything, but I probably wasn't going to clap a lot, either. Every rally the president goes to everyone is cheering for him because they're handpicked."

 

How much does Bush have to fear from a 64 y.o. veteran who plays taps for the soldiers Bush is sending off to die? I wonder who's been to more soldier's funerals. No I don't. This guy gives more of a damn about his country that Bush ever will. He proved it, and continues to do so. But because of his party affiliation, he wasn't allowed to even see his own President speak.

 

There was another party that only allowed their members to attend Politboro & other meetings. I remember reading about that when I was growing and thinking what pathetic country that must be. That party was the Communist Party.

 

We've gone a long way, huh?

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Are you really unaware about this? Man, talk about living in denial.

 

So, you have NO link to this "loyalty oath", but you do have a link to some Demwit "who was not asked to sign a form".

 

 

[MDC 7,425]

The fact that we let this nutjob - the very definition of everything we abhor - speak - isn't cause for derision, it's cause for respect for a country that values Democracy over hatred, Freedom over suppresion. The world may indeed laugh at us for many many things, but not for this. Videos of this will make its way to brainwashed Arabs and Persians around the world. They will hear our condemnation, our ridicule and see this idiot flailing about unable to withstand the challenge of unrestricted truth and intellect - and they will decide for themselves whether to believe the lies and propoganda that they've been fed.

 

You are absolutely correct and this couldn't have been said any better.

 

ETA: Here is a link to one of the 75,000+ sites brought up by a Google search for "loyalty oath" and Bush. I don't know whether the President still does this for speeches, but I remember this was pretty routine during the '04 campaign.

 

The Albuquerque Journal reported on Friday that people seeking tickets to the Cheney event who could not be identified as GOP partisans -- contributors or volunteers -- were told they could not receive tickets unless they signed an endorsement form saying "I, (full name) . . . do herby (sic) endorse George W. Bush for reelection of the United States." The form warns that signers "are consenting to use and release of your name by Bush-Cheney as an endorser of President Bush."

 

I guess Recliner Pilot doesn't read the paper much. Which would explain why he's such a focking moron.

[Boz/BoFan 0]

While I'm not a fan of the guy or the idea, Picking and choosing who gets a forum to speak is the very heart of the violation of free speech. I have no doubt the world is laughing at us. Our own President can't tell the difference between Austria and Australia. In fact they DID laugh - out loud - repeatedly - because of his repeated gaffes. But as disliked, distrusted and disrespected as Bush is around the world, other nations let him speak. Our President has spoken in nations where people are violently opposed to us. Where we've backed juntas and governments that killed tens of thousands - if not more - where we've actively done awful things - and yet, they listened.

 

The fact that we let this nutjob - the very definition of everything we abhor - speak - isn't cause for derision, it's cause for respect for a country that values Democracy over hatred, Freedom over suppresion. The world may indeed laugh at us for many many things, but not for this. Videos of this will make its way to brainwashed Arabs and Persians around the world. They will hear our condemnation, our ridicule and see this idiot flailing about unable to withstand the challenge of unrestricted truth and intellect - and they will decide for themselves whether to believe the lies and propoganda that they've been fed.

 

So you are saying every institution, company, network, newspaper etc has to allow all 6 billion people on earth the time and space needed to voice their opinion on every single issue at the individuals descretion? Or do these institutions etc. get to pick and choose who they give a forum to and when they choose to do so? It happens every single day, a thousand times per day and I dont see you melting down over the "abuses" to the heart of free speech. Columbia U is not required by law to provide anyone and everyone a multimedia circus show forum to speak, they CHOSE to do it.....which I agree is totally their call, a wrong one nonetheless.

 

As far as this video making its way to arabs and persians...... yeah, they'll get to see it as much as Columbia saw the error of allowing this maniac to speak. First off, 80% of them dont have television. Secondly, the media they are allowed to see is govt controlled and served up on a platter of unfettered bias. This will change nothing.

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ETA: Here is a link to one of the 75,000+ sites brought up by a Google search for "loyalty oath" and Bush. I don't know whether the President still does this for speeches, but I remember this was pretty routine during the '04 campaign.

I guess Recliner Pilot doesn't read the paper much. Which would explain why he's such a focking moron.

 

I think he even made troops in Iraq sign loyalty Oaths or they were not allowed to have Thanksgiving dinner with him.

[Cdub100 3,907]

Ive never seen a group a people misinterpret or abuse free speech issues like the flaming libs on this board. This isnt a free speech issue for the billionth time.

 

Does Iminajihad have the right to come to this country, sure. Does he have the right to set up shop on the corner of Main Street USA and extol the "virtues" of his pathetic regime while at the same time criticize every policy of the US, definitely. But his right to speak does not guarantee him the right to be heard, and thats exactly what Columbia did, they gave him a forum which is my problem with the issue.

 

This is a guy who leads thousands of people at a time with cheers of "Death to America, death to USA" monthly. Its been proven, as the Columbia pres. stated that he is actively engaged in killing our soldiers.....he has American blood on his hands. Not to mention Iran is a state sponsor of terrorists among the hundreds of other human rights issues that have been proven time and time again.

 

The supposed "brow beating" by the pres. of Columbia put in context of what he allowed Innajihad to do is laughable. Thats much like berating a thief/murderer standing outside of your house to his face and then allow him inside take what he wants and kill your family in the process......."oh he may have murdered my family but I gave him one heck of a tongue lashing before he did it! That makes us even". Moron.

 

The world is laughing at us.

 

Loving free speech and a multi party system makes me a Lib?

 

You're right, he doesn't get the right to be heard, but that isn't up to you. That's up to each individual that went to that speaking arrangement, because that's what so great about our country. You on the other hand are clearly in favor of censorship.

[Boz/BoFan 0]

You are absolutely correct and this couldn't have been said any better.

 

ETA: Here is a link to one of the 75,000+ sites brought up by a Google search for "loyalty oath" and Bush. I don't know whether the President still does this for speeches, but I remember this was pretty routine during the '04 campaign.

I guess Recliner Pilot doesn't read the paper much. Which would explain why he's such a focking moron.

 

Its a way to cull the maniac moonbat dems at a public event. If they could just keep their sh!t together once without trying to completely disrupt every event or attack the people on stage then they wouldnt have to sign such nonsense. Pretty simple concept.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

I guess Recliner Pilot doesn't read the paper much. Which would explain why he's such a focking moron.

 

 

I read plenty. And I have read your entire post. I still don't see a link to a "loyalty oath".

 

Next.

[Boz/BoFan 0]

Loving free speech and a multi party system makes me a Lib?

 

You're right, he doesn't get the right to be heard, but that isn't up to you. That's up to each individual that went to that speaking arrangement, because that's what so great about our country. You on the other hand are clearly in favor of censorship.

 

You should probably do a little more reading on censorship before you make yourself look any more foolish.

 

Also, what would you call this......

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0907/5992.html

[MDC 7,425]

Its a way to cull the maniac moonbat dems at a public event. If they could just keep their sh!t together once without trying to completely disrupt every event or attack the people on stage then they wouldnt have to sign such nonsense. Pretty simple concept.

 

I recall Swift Boat vets and Bush supporters carry flip-flops (classy AND clever!) to Kerry speeches during the '04 campaign. I did not read about the Kerry campaign requiring attendees to sign a loyalty oath.

 

At any rate, I'm just pointing out once again how clueless Recliner Pilot is. Was he living in a cave in 2004? Moron ...

 

ETA: I'd just like to say that I'm shocked -- SHOCKED! -- that instead of just admitting he was wrong like a man, Torrid Pilot decides to move the goalposts and we're now only referring to the words "loyalty oath." I never in a million years saw that one coming!!!

 

 

ETA2: From my link for Illiterate Pilot:

 

Political campaigns are always eager to keep hecklers out of their pep rallies, but the Republican National Committee took that desire to a new level last week, requiring supporters to sign an oath of loyalty before receiving tickets to Saturday's New Mexico rally featuring Vice President Cheney.

 

Let me guess - This doesn't count in Torrid Pilot's bizarro universe because it says an "oath of loyalty"?

 

Great stuff!

[Recliner Pilot 61]

"loyalty oath"

 

Sorry MDC, I have not been wrong in this thread so there is no reason to admit it, and I have not "moved the goal posts" at all.

 

I used the exact words Sniffenballs used.

 

Next.

[Evil number 0]

Sorry MDC, I have not been wrong in this thread so there is no reason to admit it, and I have not "moved the goal posts" at all.

 

I used the exact words Sniffenballs used.

 

Next.

 

Loyalty Oath

Loyalty Oath

Bush's campaign appearances are not much better. While Kerry's events are open to the public, Bush's affairs require the signing of a "loyalty oath". Quietly wearing an anti-Bush T-shirt or badge is grounds for expulsion

Loyalty Oath

[MDC 7,425]

Loyalty Oath

Loyalty Oath

 

Loyalty Oath

 

If this was a fight, you would've TKO'd Torrid Pilot in the first round.

 

I love to watch a good ass-kicking.

[Cdub100 3,907]

You should probably do a little more reading on censorship before you make yourself look any more foolish.

 

Also, what would you call this......

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0907/5992.html

 

Any more foolish? All I said was I was in favor of letting people speak.

 

"So Clinton’s aides pulled a page from the book of Hollywood publicists and offered GQ a stark choice: Kill the piece, or lose access to planned celebrity coverboy Bill Clinton.

 

Despite internal protests, GQ editor Jim Nelson met the Clinton campaign’s demands, which had been delivered by Bill Clinton’s spokesman, Jay Carson, several sources familiar with the conversations said."

 

This is assuming this article is true... Sounds like GQ made a business decision. They could have run the the piece if they wanted, but it would have cost them Bill. In all honestly if a magazine was going to run a negative article about my wife you'd better believe I wouldn't want anything to do with that magazine so I can see where the Clinton's are coming from.

 

Again, I'm glad GQ had the choice as I'm glad Columbia had the choice. You on the other hand want to take that choice away which I feel is unamerican in every way.

[Boz/BoFan 0]

Again, I'm glad GQ had the choice as I'm glad Columbia had the choice. You on the other hand want to take that choice away which I feel is unamerican in every way.

 

Wrong. I never said Columbia should not be allowed to make the choice, I specifically stated " its totally their call" and a call i didnt agree with. My point is if they decided not to allow him to speak it wouldnt be a free speech issue, it would have been...much like the GQ article, just another decision.

 

The GQ situation has an extortion angle though, which is an entirely different topic that warrants discussion.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Loyalty Oath

Loyalty Oath

 

Loyalty Oath

 

Nice job.

 

A Rolling Stone article referring to a "loyalty oath", a UK Guardian article referring to a "loyalty oath", and a blog referring to a "loyalty oath".

 

My original question still stands......unanswered. Does anyone have a link to this "loyalty oath"?

 

I'm curious to read it.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

If this was a fight, you would've TKO'd Torrid Pilot in the first round.

 

I love to watch a good ass-kicking.

 

Link to said "ass-kicking"? So far I see no link to a "loyalty oath".

[MDC 7,425]

Link to said "ass-kicking"? So far I see no link to a "loyalty oath".

 

Here's your link you focking schmuck.

 

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Here's your link you focking schmuck.

 

 

If I were on of you Demwitmoveon.org Party asshats this is where I would post:

 

OWNED!

 

But since I'm not I will just say Thanks For Playing!

 

 

[Recliner Pilot 61]

I wonder if MDC will be a "man" and admit he has been wrong in this thread?

[Recliner Pilot 61]

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POOSAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Let me guess - This doesn't count in Torrid Pilot's bizarro universe because it says an "oath of loyalty"?

 

Great stuff!

 

 

Nope.

 

I simply asked for a link to said "loyalty oath"out of curiousity's sake. So far all I have seen is several links referring to a "loyalty oath", or "oath of loyalty"......nothing showing the actual "oath".

 

You have come up with me being in a Bizarro universe, me getting my ass kicked, me failing to admit I'm wrong, and various juvinile "schmucks" and what not.

 

Yet no link to the "loyalty oath" so many millions had to sign. One would think this would be all over the innerwebs...........I guess not.

 

Anyone with at least two brain cells to rub together would prolly come to the conclusion you are living in a "bizarro universe", Champ.

 

[Boz/BoFan 0]

Videos of this will make its way to brainwashed Arabs and Persians around the world. They will hear our condemnation, our ridicule and see this idiot flailing about unable to withstand the challenge of unrestricted truth and intellect - and they will decide for themselves whether to believe the lies and propoganda that they've been fed.

 

Good call

 

"On second day of his entry in New York, and AMID STANDING OVATION of the audience that had attended the hall where the Iranian President was to give his lecture as of early hours of the day, Ahmadinejad said that Iran is not going to attack any country in the world."

 

"The audience on repeated occasion applauded Ahmadinejad when he touched on international crises."

 

http://www2.irna.ir/en/news/view/line-24/0...52616013529.htm

 

Ya feel me.