donhaas 19 Posted January 6, 2008 does it matter that seattle also beat the skins and eagles this year? they knocked the cowboys out of the playoffs last year and own eli....its been ages since the seahawks lost to the nfc east... u can bring facts...but youll have to dig deeper for something more impressive.. people are wasting too much time trying to discount wins and magnify losses....does ANYONE outside of being packers or seahawks fans KNOW the teams? because the whole "schedule" argument usually means you dont....people sound like an ESPN panel here.... if seattle beats GB, people will make excuses for why gb just wasnt that good afterall...cmon now..giving a team a lil credit wont kill anyone.. I was countering an argument by your fellow seahawkian about gb's schedule and conference being weak and that gb was a fraud.... Truth be told, I like the seahawks and will root for them the rest of the way if they beat gb... It's too bad they will get crushed by the Packers on saturday Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seattle_pt1 0 Posted January 6, 2008 Now I didn't watch the Seahawks losses to Carolina and ATL... but going back.. vs Carolina Hasselbeck played the whole game...threw it 41 times... vs ATL he was in long enough to throw it 25 times and the Defensive stats indicate that the starters played most if not all of the game... So don't give me this O we had nothing to play for stuff...The Packers had nothing to play for and dominated the Lions....Giants had nothing and hung with the Pats... You are absolutely right. I am now convinced the Packers will win and win big. I was foolish to think anything else. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,952 Posted January 6, 2008 does it matter that seattle also beat the skins and eagles this year? they knocked the cowboys out of the playoffs last year and own eli....its been ages since the seahawks lost to the nfc east... u can bring facts...but youll have to dig deeper for something more impressive.. people are wasting too much time trying to discount wins and magnify losses....does ANYONE outside of being packers or seahawks fans KNOW the teams? because the whole "schedule" argument usually means you dont....people sound like an ESPN panel here.... if seattle beats GB, people will make excuses for why gb just wasnt that good afterall...cmon now..giving a team a lil credit wont kill anyone.. Obviously the Hawks are decent....they went 10-6... The only point I am in this thread to make is the Packers won 3 more games and played a at least slightly tougher schedule... And the Seahawks are much less of a team away from QuestField....that can't be disputed... Simple stuff I know, but it can't be argued.....however if they played the games on stats alone it would be no fun...we will have to see next weekend... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seattle_pt1 0 Posted January 6, 2008 I was countering an argument by your fellow seahawkian about gb's schedule and conference being weak and that gb was a fraud....Truth be told, I like the seahawks and will root for them the rest of the way if they beat gb... It's too bad they will get crushed by the Packers on saturday I prefer seahawkite, not seahawkian.......get it straight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,952 Posted January 6, 2008 You are absolutely right. I am now convinced the Packers will win and win big. I was foolish to think anything else. Everyone here likes to make up stuff....I never said anything like that. just pointing out that the Seahawks did play those games....games said to be uncountable by Seahawk fans because they didn't mean anything... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillybear 366 Posted January 6, 2008 Now I didn't watch the Seahawks losses to Carolina and ATL... but going back.. vs Carolina Hasselbeck played the whole game...threw it 41 times... vs ATL he was in long enough to throw it 25 times and the Defensive stats indicate that the starters played most if not all of the game... So don't give me this O we had nothing to play for stuff...The Packers had nothing to play for and dominated the Lions....Giants had nothing and hung with the Pats... The Carolina game was a let down. The game was scoreless going into the 4th quarter. Seattle had a let down after clinching a playoff spot. I mean, they clinched a playoff spot with 3 weeks to go. They had letdown. That is not hard to understand. Sure, it was extremely windy. NE stuggled in bad weather vs Baltimore and NY Jets. Doesn't mean NE sucks too. Seattle led Atlanta until Senaca Wallace took over at QB, and then Atlanta overtook Seattle and dominated the later stages of the game. Last game of the season, again, meaningless. It is no secret that I hate Senaca Wallace. They should just make him a WR already, and go out and get a decent backup QB. Why is it so hard to understand that when games are meaningless, teams don't play with passion. Obviously, Seattle played with a ton of passion yesterday, especially on defense, and won. Some teams are wired differently than others. In past years, Seattle has clinched playoff spots and lost down the stretch. Then come out balls to the wall in the playoffs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,952 Posted January 6, 2008 Very Likely already been said 4 times. Holmgren- 0-3 in Lambeau as Seattle coach. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cheeseboy 0 Posted January 6, 2008 First of all...LOVE the troll, I can't believe most of the Packer fans just dived right in hook line and sinker... Looking at the game, it can go either way. Packers are not a dominant team, Seattle doesn't scare me at all. If the Packers play it like a trap game (and they have a habit of doing that...losing to Chicago, the Tampa Bay Rays of the NFL) Seattle could walk away. If the Packers play they way they play when they're on top of their game, Seattle doesn't stand a chance. Both NFC games are going to be great, and I think Dallas is in a world of hurt against the Giants next weekend. If the Giants play like they did today, I'm not sure the 'girls will stay with them. I could honestly see every team winning next weekend, it's all pretty even. As a homer, I don't see GB having any serious trouble with Seattle...they match up well with teams with weak running games, Seattle has a decent QB with 4 #2/3 WR's. Seattle's D is decent, but not in the same class as GB's and I expect the game to be close, but never in doubt. That said, I see it: GB - 28 Sea. - 17 (It will be close, until GB scores a late TD...) Dallas - 21 NYG - 20 (Last team with the ball wins) And that will bring us to the NFC Championship...and Dallas doesn't scare me, they look very beatable...but I can't see the Pack finally figuring out how to win in in the land where they shoot Presidents Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BMoney 0 Posted January 6, 2008 Very Likely already been said 4 times. Holmgren- 0-3 in Lambeau as Seattle coach. said 4 times by who? FOX? ESPN? my point exactly..... holmgren won his first game back to lambeau in 99...27-7....most of the fans went home early and mike went and took a dump at the 50 after the game... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BMoney 0 Posted January 6, 2008 First of all...LOVE the troll, I can't believe most of the Packer fans just dived right in hook line and sinker... Looking at the game, it can go either way. Packers are not a dominant team, Seattle doesn't scare me at all. If the Packers play it like a trap game (and they have a habit of doing that...losing to Chicago, the Tampa Bay Rays of the NFL) Seattle could walk away. If the Packers play they way they play when they're on top of their game, Seattle doesn't stand a chance. Both NFC games are going to be great, and I think Dallas is in a world of hurt against the Giants next weekend. If the Giants play like they did today, I'm not sure the 'girls will stay with them. I could honestly see every team winning next weekend, it's all pretty even. As a homer, I don't see GB having any serious trouble with Seattle... i dont see you having much trouble with traffic after the game Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cheeseboy 0 Posted January 6, 2008 i dont see you having much trouble with traffic after the game I never do, my season ticket package hookup includes the motor coach and pre/post game BBQ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BMoney 0 Posted January 6, 2008 I never do, my season ticket package hookup includes the motor coach and pre/post game BBQ nice!!! they are wising up and trying to buy more of that land up to increase parking..since they lost a chuck of parking space due to having to put up the security wall.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swamp dog 0 Posted January 7, 2008 And that will bring us to the NFC Championship...and Dallas doesn't scare me, they look very beatable...but I can't see the Pack finally figuring out how to win in in the land where they shoot Presidents classy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted January 7, 2008 youre kidding..i point out more negatives about seattle in threads then i do the positives.... YOU are the one that gets all riled up when i dared say that seattle has a shot against Goliath... Goliath if he were average the year before and had no fighting experience, that is.... 3-2 in the last 5 is nearly 500....loss sat and theyll have finished the season at 3-3 in their last 6...thats 500... they were 500 last year....hence the term, returning to form.... as for gbs running game.... if seattle could hold westbrook, sjax and others under 100..why should grant do more?... he might..but i dont see it..and gb may need to bring in a te to help block..if so..thats another possible wide out taken away.... if favre has all day to throw..yikes.... if hes pressured...itll come down to who gets the breaks and makes the most of them.... can seattle stop alexander? Nice spin. Actually, what I disputed is when you asked someone who thought the Packers would do well was "so you think Green Bay can actually beat Seattle"...or something along those lines. Nice try at reversing it though. Nice spin on the 500 crap...yeah...lets not worry about the entire season...just look at a 5-6 game span. Might need to keep a TE to block. Might not. They have not had to worry about that too much this year. But will from time to time. Can Seattle stop Alexander? Why would they have to? Can Green Bay? Just about everyone else has. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted January 7, 2008 Everybody should stop bringing up the Seattle loss to Carolina. You are making yourselves look very foolish. Seattle lost to Carolina the week after they clinched the NFC West division. It was Seattle's 3rd trip East in four weeks. Considering the letdown and jet lag factors, there is nothing, absolutely nothing that can be learned from that game. Seattle was ahead of Tampa Bay for the 3 seed, and considering the schedule Seattle had to finish the season (Baltimore and Atlanta), the 3 seed was locked up as well. The game vs Carolina was meaningless in every sense of the word. It was your boy who brought up Carolina. Meaningless? Not really. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted January 7, 2008 if seattle beats GB, people will make excuses for why gb just wasnt that good afterall...cmon now..giving a team a lil credit wont kill anyone.. I think it will be a good game...no walk over for either team actually. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ambroc 0 Posted January 7, 2008 Early spread will probably have Green Bay favored by 7 or 8, which I think is high. The "Homgren" factor and the "Hass redemption" factor will keep this game closer than expected. My guess: Green Bay 24, Seattle 20, with Green Bay having a 60% chance of winning. (Sounds low, I know, but I keep having these images of Favre's problems in recent playoff history.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BMoney 0 Posted January 7, 2008 Nice spin.Actually, what I disputed is when you asked someone who thought the Packers would do well was "so you think Green Bay can actually beat Seattle"...or something along those lines. Nice try at reversing it though. Nice spin on the 500 crap...yeah...lets not worry about the entire season...just look at a 5-6 game span. Might need to keep a TE to block. Might not. They have not had to worry about that too much this year. But will from time to time. Can Seattle stop Alexander? Why would they have to? Can Green Bay? Just about everyone else has. sorry..but the last 5-6 games is the most important...what you did in week 3 really doesnt matter much now... alexander has scored in 3 of the last 5 games and always scores vs gb.... why are you being so testy? nervous? shouldnt be...you have the dream team...favored by a boatload..relax.... everyone said gb was a lock and i voiced an opinion that seattle can win...and for some reason, you flipped out...and went on a rant about seattles weak schedule..how tough the nfc north is and how awful the seattle punter is..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted January 7, 2008 sorry..but the last 5-6 games is the most important...what you did in week 3 really doesnt matter much now... Most important? Perhaps. Not like GB has been playing bad football in those 5-6 games. alexander has scored in 3 of the last 5 games and always scores vs gb.... Against a Baltimore team that quit on the season, a terrible Atlanta team, and with his whopping 3.3 yards per carry against Philly. He had 2 - 100 yard games on the year, much earlier in the season. I hope you are not seriously counting on him. why are you being so testy? nervous? shouldnt be...you have the dream team...favored by a boatload..relax.... everyone said gb was a lock and i voiced an opinion that seattle can win...and for some reason, you flipped out...and went on a rant about seattles weak schedule..how tough the nfc north is and how awful the seattle punter is..... Testy...says the guy who has been posting about this game for quite some time and questioned another poster who had the nerve to think GB had a chance. You again are spinning with that line. People posted about GB being favored or someone posted that they would win...and you questioned them why they thought GB even had a chance. Quite different. How tough the North is? Nope...just said it was better than the NFC West. Which it is. How awful the punter is? Again...nope... now you are just lying. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted January 7, 2008 Oh yeah...and what is Seattle's record in the past 5 games? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t.j 35 Posted January 7, 2008 Yea and they won yesturday against a Redskins team that starts Todd Collins, struggled to make it into the playoffs in the NFC.....and played in Seattle (one of the best home field advantages in teh NFL...if not the best)... So yea that was basically their best win by far. The TB win was week 1 when teams were rusty. I agree that home field was a big key for Seattle. If you have read my other posts you would know that I think the Seahawks are a lousy road team with little chance to beat Green Bay. But that's no excuse for you to make careless points. Let's see, first you tell us they only beat one playoff team when they beat two, and now you write one of the wins off due to rust, and the other one off due to your perception that apparently the Redskins are only sort-of a playoff caliber team or something, even though they had won 4 straight and Todd Collins had a rating of over 100. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BMoney 0 Posted January 7, 2008 Oh yeah...and what is Seattle's record in the past 5 games? 3-2..but you knew that.... why do u ask?.... and are u assuming that seattles been playing bad football in those games? and no one counts on the run with seattle... just enjoying packers fans short memory with SA...he had a broken foot last year and still ran for 201 yards in packers weather..and 3 tds in the coin flip game....playing gb could be just what the dr ordered... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted January 7, 2008 3-2..but you knew that.... why do u ask?.... Because all you keep doing is talking about the Packers record down the stretch. GB lost to the #1 team in the NFC and a division rival Seattle lost to bad bad teams. (yes, Chicago is bad too...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BMoney 0 Posted January 7, 2008 Because all you keep doing is talking about the Packers record down the stretch.GB lost to the #1 team in the NFC and a division rival Seattle lost to bad bad teams. (yes, Chicago is bad too...) enough already...you are boring me and killing a good thread... i never said seattle was on fire..neither is GB...but gb is a 2 seed not playing like one...and the pressure is on them... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted January 7, 2008 3-2..but you knew that.... why do u ask?.... and are u assuming that seattles been playing bad football in those games? and no one counts on the run with seattle... just enjoying packers fans short memory with SA...he had a broken foot last year and still ran for 201 yards in packers weather..and 3 tds in the coin flip game....playing gb could be just what the dr ordered... Do you think this is the same team as he saw then? Playing the same? I would not call getting beat by Carolina and Atlanta playing good football. Nor were they tested much against some other bad teams down the stretch. (not that GB really was either) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,952 Posted January 7, 2008 I agree that home field was a big key for Seattle. If you have read my other posts you would know that I think the Seahawks are a lousy road team with little chance to beat Green Bay. But that's no excuse for you to make careless points. Let's see, first you tell us they only beat one playoff team when they beat two, and now you write one of the wins off due to rust, and the other one off due to your perception that apparently the Redskins are only sort-of a playoff caliber team or something, even though they had won 4 straight and Todd Collins had a rating of over 100. I'm not writing them off....just pointing out those are their 2 best/good wins..and they arn't exactly steller wins... My points are simple and hard to argue.. -Packers have beaten and played better teams this year. -With the tougher schedule they put up 3 more wins than Seattle -The Seahawks are a great home team....however an average road team. (they will be playing on the road next weekend.) That is basically all I have tried to say. Being that people in the thread can't seem to grasp these simple and obvious points, I had to go into more detail to try and back my points up. Obviously I failed to do so for you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BMoney 0 Posted January 7, 2008 Do you think this is the same team as he saw then? Playing the same? I would not call getting beat by Carolina and Atlanta playing good football. Nor were they tested much against some other bad teams down the stretch. (not that GB really was either) of course not...but some guys just come alive vs certain teams... and of course you wouldnt call losing to atl when good football, it wasnt gb...somehow you came to the conclusion that gb played well in the bears game?...can we just break this game down instead of caring about week 5? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cheeseboy 0 Posted January 7, 2008 enough already...you are boring me and killing a good thread... i never said seattle was on fire..neither is GB...but gb is a 2 seed not playing like one...and the pressure is on them... Agreed that neither team is "on fire", but I'll say that GB needed to right the ship against the Lions after the Bear game, and they did... But you're fooling yourself if you think the pressure is on Green Bay...after losing like they did the last time they were at Lambeau, after their up-and-down season with no SA production, with GB having a week off, Seattle is under the gun to do something or face an embarrassing off-season with a one-and-done playoff appearance. You can say that you think they'll win, but don't try and fool yourself into thinking the pressure is on GB. This is a home game against a team they should handle. Seattle's going to have to take the game, and it's up to them to do so...best of luck... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlaHawker 24 Posted January 7, 2008 That they are .500 on the road in the past several years does not mean they have a 50/50 shot at winning in GB.That is based on random competition...not based on what their record is on the road when playing against a team that is better than Seattle. HTH Like I said they have a 50/50 chance of winning in GB. I like their chances. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlaHawker 24 Posted January 7, 2008 Nice spin. Nice try at reversing it though. Nice spin on the 500 crap... Every thread you're in you play the same broken record. But we know who the real spin artist is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
49ers_suck 0 Posted January 7, 2008 this game has created a perfect storm of shitt talkers on this bored. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlaHawker 24 Posted January 7, 2008 Before watching that game, I didn't want the Seahawks to win and play the Pack. After watching the game, I'm fine with the Seahawks coming to Lambeau. Not impressed. People weren't imprssed when the Hawks beat the Redskins 20-10 on their way to SB XL. The Redskins simply matchup well with the Hawks for whatever reason. You can't look at the way yesterday's game played out and automatically assume next Saturday's game will be indentical. It will not. So please by all means remain unimpressed. We Seahawk fans like it that way Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,952 Posted January 7, 2008 Like I said they have a 50/50 chance of winning in GB. I like their chances. I'm not sure how you come up with a 50/50 shot....but whatever.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cheeseboy 0 Posted January 7, 2008 So please by all means remain unimpressed. We Seahawk fans like it that way You guys should enjoy everyone not being impressed with the Seahawks...might as well since it's all you've known since 1976...a whole league unimpressed by a team who's claim to fame is NOT being the worst expansion franchise from that year Here's to hoping that this time, you get the ball AND you score Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
49ers_suck 0 Posted January 7, 2008 i cant believe the line is GB -8. if you want a sure thing take Sea +8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted January 7, 2008 enough already...you are boring me and killing a good thread... i never said seattle was on fire..neither is GB...but gb is a 2 seed not playing like one...and the pressure is on them... The only thing killing the thread is you insisting on lying and spinning to try and making an argument. I think GB has played like the #2 seed. Sure, there is pressure. But so too is there pressure on Seattle to prove they can go on the road and win this game. For Hasselbeck to prove he can beat his former team in the playoffs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted January 7, 2008 of course not...but some guys just come alive vs certain teams... and of course you wouldnt call losing to atl when good football, it wasnt gb...somehow you came to the conclusion that gb played well in the bears game?...can we just break this game down instead of caring about week 5? Where did I claim GB played well in the Bears game? Where is anyone talking about week 5? Again...stop lying, and then maybe it will be possible to break this game down and have an intelligent debate with you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted January 7, 2008 Like I said they have a 50/50 chance of winning in GB. I like their chances. Except they don't have a 50/50 chance. Your inability to properly calculate odds and take factors into consideration is pretty much expected from you though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted January 7, 2008 Every thread you're in you play the same broken record. But we know who the real spin artist is. Except you cannot even point out where I have spun anything. Nice try though chump. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted January 7, 2008 i cant believe the line is GB -8. if you want a sure thing take Sea +8 I would not call either way a sure thing. Hasselbeck did not play well in that game. Seattle came out and looked like they were going to dominate...but were not scoring many points. Washington fought back...but in the end, could not handle it and folded with some poor passes...and a bad missed FG. I think alot will be different about this game. 1st. Favre will not drop back in 5 and 7 step drops as often. 2nd. Tauscher is far better at RT than what the Skins were trotting out there against Kerney. Nor will a TE be one on one vs. Kerney in pass protection. 3rd. GB has more receiving weapons than Washington and can spread them out more to help set up the run game. 4th. Face it...it was Todd Collins...this is Brett Favre. 5th. Seattle at Qwest is different than Seattle at Lambeau. That said...GB's line will have to hold up to the pressure. Especially in the middle. With Coston now on the IR, Colledge and Spitz have to step up. GB needs to establish the run, and get the short passing game working early to try and bring the D forward to set up longer passes. I think they can do this. I don't expect a blowout...but could see the Packers being ahead and Hass throwing up a pick that either gets returned or setting up a late FG to put GB ahead by 2 scores. At the same time, it could be just that opposite where Seattle is ahead and Favre throws the pick. Should be a good game. I think GB's front can handle Seattle's run game...allowing them to try and limit the spread passing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
