Brett Favre's last pass in the NFCC Game

[Sweetness_34 0]

Yup, throw it to the most covered WR when all 3 other options were more open

 

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Bears 5-1* against Favre 

*: Favre only beats Lovie Smith when Lovie's team has nothing to play for 

 

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[t.j 35]

It's true that the other guys were all open, the WR on the left and the RB being wide open. That said, looking at that image, the guy he threw it to was definitely open, by NFL standards. If that's his first read on the play, nothing wrong with throwing there. Bad throw though, and a bad time for it.

 

I also like how the one guy in front of Favre to the left (looks like an RB or maybe TE) is holding the shiot out of one of the Giants. Looks like maybe Favre was hurried a bit on the play. I only watched the play once (live), so I don't really remember.

[devilsden 0]

If Farve throws that ball a little more to the outside it is most likely a completed pass and they continue their march down the field. It was a poorly thrown pass and got picked off. The picture shows that he is open for the most part but the ball was delivered a little to far to the inside and not when the receiver made his cut.

[donhaas 18]

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would have made the throw

 

 

The real question is: If Favre makes the throw, how does that affect the Bears currently residing in last place in the North and having 4 winning seasons out of the last 20??

 

[The Next Generation 10]

I also like how the one guy in front of Favre to the left (looks like an RB or maybe TE) is holding the shiot out of one of the Giants. Looks like maybe Favre was hurried a bit on the play.

 

Yup, definitely looks like that guy rushed Favre's throw and he threw away from where the pass rush was coming from.

[Ambroc 0]

Disagree. This was both a bad pass and bad decision. Clearly, Driver was the least open of all his options. You might argue that the rush caused him to favor one side of the field, but...then again...Grant was wide open.

 

 

 

 

If Farve throws that ball a little more to the outside it is most likely a completed pass and they continue their march down the field. It was a poorly thrown pass and got picked off. The picture shows that he is open for the most part but the ball was delivered a little to far to the inside and not when the receiver made his cut.

[The Next Generation 10]

Disagree. This was both a bad pass and bad decision. Clearly, Driver was the least open of all his options. You might argue that the rush caused him to favor one side of the field, but...then again...Grant was wide open.

 

Agreed, all three options were better than Driver. It was only 2nd and 8, Grant could have gotten at least 6 yds before contact with a defender. Big choke job by Favre.

[donhaas 18]

Disagree. This was both a bad pass and bad decision. Clearly, Driver was the least open of all his options. You might argue that the rush caused him to favor one side of the field, but...then again...Grant was wide open.

 

Yes, the halfback is wide open but the halfback is almost always wide open...

 

Was Driver the least open?? Definitely...

Is he Favre's main man and was he open enough to make a throw and catch that Favre and Driver have done a million times?? Yep.

 

The Packer offense was doing jacksquat the last 7 possessions....

He was trying to make something happen like he's done a million times before and he threw a bad pass.

 

 

Favre's bad throw will be your last lingering thought.... but the Packers lost that game because of their inability to block, run the ball, and Al Harris' terrible play on Plax and their stubborness to give him help.

[Sweetness_34 0]

Steve Fuller, Rusty Lisch, Greg Landry, Mike Tomczak, Doug Flutie, Jim Harbaugh, Peter Tom Willis, Will Furrer, Erik Kramer, Steve Walsh, Dave Krieg, Rick Mirer, Steve Stenstrom, Moses Moreno, Shane Matthews, Cade McNown, Jim Miller, Chris Chandler, Henry Burris, Kordell Stewart, Craig Krenzel, Jonathan Quinn, Chad Hutchinson, Kyle Orton, Rex Grossman, and Brian Griese

would have made the throw

The real question is: If Favre makes the throw, how does that affect the Bears currently residing in last place in the North and having 4 winning seasons out of the last 20??

 

 

The real answer is:

 

# of wins by choke-favre against the Bears the last 3 years = 0 (nope the new year game does not really count)

# of SB appearances by choke-favre in the last 5 years < # of SB appearances by Bears

 

[The Next Generation 10]

Yes, the halfback is wide open but the halfback is almost always wide open...

 

Was Driver the least open?? Definitely...

Is he Favre's main man and was he open enough to make a throw and catch that Favre and Driver have done a million times?? Yep.

 

The Packer offense was doing jacksquat the last 7 possessions....

He was trying to make something happen like he's done a million times before and he threw a bad pass.

Favre's bad throw will be your last lingering thought.... but the Packers lost that game because of their inability to block, run the ball, and Al Harris' terrible play on Plax and their stubborness to give him help.

 

Puh-lease...looks to me like Webster is in Driver's hip pocket. He's in perfect position to pick-off any pass thrown to Driver. In fact, he'd have to be Driver to be in better position.

[Sweetness_34 0]

Yes, the halfback is wide open but the halfback is almost always wide open...

 

Umm...no, not that much. But you may continue spinning when it is obvious to any sane person that favre choked because all he cares about is getting the big glory play when a simple play would have done the trick. I would bet my mortgage and your wife that Brady would have passed it to the HB and won the game for his team

 

Brady, Elway, Montana, Marino, Peyton M, Unitas, Troy Aikman, Terry Bradshaw, Sid Luckman >>>>>> Favre

 

[Sweetness_34 0]

Puh-lease...looks to me like Webster is in Driver's hip pocket. He's in perfect position to pick-off any pass thrown to Driver. In fact, he'd have to be Driver to be in better position.

 

Correct. In the NFL, CBs have the speed to close the gap that Driver has created. Driver is not open by any stretch of imagination. This is just another example of Favre trying to do too much to be the glory hog that he is. How would he jump down the field like a small school boy unless he made some ridiculous throw? Typical Favre ... losing the game for his team

 

This video captures Favre's choke jobs previous to this year best

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKikPebj0sE

[listen2me 23 1,873]

 

The Bears are good every 20 years.

 

[Dr. Octopus 0]

Steve Fuller, Rusty Lisch, Greg Landry, Mike Tomczak, Doug Flutie, Jim Harbaugh, Peter Tom Willis, Will Furrer, Erik Kramer, Steve Walsh, Dave Krieg, Rick Mirer, Steve Stenstrom, Moses Moreno, Shane Matthews, Cade McNown, Jim Miller, Chris Chandler, Henry Burris, Kordell Stewart, Craig Krenzel, Jonathan Quinn, Chad Hutchinson, Kyle Orton, Rex Grossman, and Brian Griese

 

 

This list just cracks me up. Its amazing how futile the QB sitch in Chicago has been the last twenty years. A shame as they have had some solid years and good talent otherwise.

[donhaas 18]

Puh-lease...looks to me like Webster is in Driver's hip pocket. He's in perfect position to pick-off any pass thrown to Driver. In fact, he'd have to be Driver to be in better position.

 

It's not an easy throw....and definitely not one that McNabb could make..... but one Favre makes all the time....

 

[49ers_suck 0]

bad decsion to throw that ball. maybe alzheimers is setting in.

[listen2me 23 1,873]

bad decsion to throw that ball. maybe alzheimers is setting in.

 

Sad attempt at a joke since I don't think alzheimers and a bad decsion to throw the ball have anything to do with eachother.

 

 

There were better options than Driver, but the throw was way worse than the decision. He can make that throw, he just made a bad throw.

[Fumbleweed 547]

This list just cracks me up. Its amazing how futile the QB sitch in Chicago has been the last twenty years. A shame as they have had some solid years and good talent otherwise.

 

Nothing cracks me up worse than this topic being started by a Bears fan. The Bears would likely have won a couple of Super Bowls this decade with Favre at the helm.

[Mackgee 0]

Nothing cracks me up worse than this topic being started by a Bears fan. The Bears would likely have won a couple of Super Bowls this decade with Favre at the helm.

 

It it wasn't for Don Majowski going down with an injury he would be stocking shelves in Wisconsin. Kurt Warner is a better QB than Favre. :sarcasm:

[Sho Nuff 720]

It's true that the other guys were all open, the WR on the left and the RB being wide open. That said, looking at that image, the guy he threw it to was definitely open, by NFL standards. If that's his first read on the play, nothing wrong with throwing there. Bad throw though, and a bad time for it.

 

I also like how the one guy in front of Favre to the left (looks like an RB or maybe TE) is holding the shiot out of one of the Giants. Looks like maybe Favre was hurried a bit on the play. I only watched the play once (live), so I don't really remember.

 

The problem is...that picture is taken after the ball is out of his hands.

 

Look at the actual video...to before Favre starts his throw. Lee, Jennings, and Grant all have their back to Favre and have not started their breaks.

 

It was a poor throw. No doubt about it.

and yes, there was a hold by the FB in the middle of the screen.

[Sho Nuff 720]

If Farve throws that ball a little more to the outside it is most likely a completed pass and they continue their march down the field. It was a poorly thrown pass and got picked off. The picture shows that he is open for the most part but the ball was delivered a little to far to the inside and not when the receiver made his cut.

 

Heck...look at where the safety on Driver's side is. If that ball is thrown to the outside and the DB tries cutting it off and misses...and Driver stays in bounds...he is going for quite a big chunk of yards.

 

Poor throw...I did not like how long it took it to develop either. Everyone but Grant was 10+ yards down the field...and Grant stayed in a bit to block before going out. If Favre waits a few seconds longer, we see in the pic that he clears...but by then the rush is on...there is no way he could throw to the left and Jennings (because of the pressure)...and, if he waits a bit longer...perhaps that hold gets seen and called.

[Sho Nuff 720]

The real answer is:

 

# of wins by choke-favre against the Bears the last 3 years = 0 (nope the new year game does not really count)

# of SB appearances by choke-favre in the last 5 years < # of SB appearances by Bears

 

 

Appearances?

How about # of appearances by Favre and the Packers in the last 20 vs. the Bears.

 

Favre and GB 2 (with one win) to Chicago's 0.

 

Nice try...but your Bears are pathetic.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Puh-lease...looks to me like Webster is in Driver's hip pocket. He's in perfect position to pick-off any pass thrown to Driver. In fact, he'd have to be Driver to be in better position.

 

Because you are looking at a picture after the ball is thrown...not before.

[t.j 35]

Anyone want to provide a link to the video of the play?

[t.j 35]

If Corey Webster hadn't taken the ball,

probably would have!

[Sho Nuff 720]

Anyone want to provide a link to the video of the play?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqS2fBIgcEg

 

Look at about :32 of that video.

With the pressure coming in...throwing to Jennings was out.

Lee was still with his back to Favre...Grant just clearing the line and turning...Driver making his break.

 

Bad throw...had he waited a second longer he could hit Grant...but a much different look than the ridiculous pic by the OP.

[t.j 35]

Thanks. Yeah you can see from the video that Driver separates from Webster out of the break, contradictory to what someone was saying about how CBs are faster and therefore Webster would close on Driver after where the still photo was taken. You can see that Driver was Favre's first read, and he throws it just as Driver starts his break, which is what he's supposed to do. At the time Favre begins his throwing motion, none of the other eligible receivers had made their break yet. (0:32 in the video as you said.) You could argue that Favre should have checked off, as Driver was a little tied up with Webster prior to his cut, but Driver's ensuing successful separation justifies the read. Just a bad throw.

[edjr 6,580]

 

The Bears are good every 20 years.

 

 

 

# of Super Bowl titles the last 30 years.

 

Bears 1

Packers 1

 

You're a complete tool.

[culboarder11 0]

The picture shows Favre after he had thrown the ball. It would be much more telling had it have been shown the second before he released. The DBs likely broke off their man because Favre had already thrown it.

[listen2me 23 1,873]

# of Super Bowl titles the last 30 years.

 

Bears 1

Packers 1

 

You're a complete tool.

 

I bet you wouldn't have brought up this point when talking about "your" Pats before 2001

 

O wait scratch that, you most likely weren't a fan pre-2001

 

Its funny when people act like SBs are the ONLY thing that count. Yes I would love for the Packers to have a million SBs, but I would also rather have a good team year in and year out, a team I can see extended games into the playoffs, a team I can get excited for at the beginning of each year....over a team that is the other way around 19 out of 20 years.....

 

Its much more fun to see winning teams each year, rather than having to go through countless years of the suck.

 

Tool Count:

 

Edjr- Who Knows?

 

Me- 1

 

I'm coming for your title as THE TOOL of this place

[Sweetness_34 0]

Appearances?

How about # of appearances by Favre and the Packers in the last 20 vs. the Bears.

 

Favre and GB 2 (with one win) to Chicago's 0.

 

Nice try...but your Bears are pathetic.

 

Wow, you are stupid....Chicago has 1 SB appearance in the last 20 years .... remember last year?

 

Oh, and in the last 25 years - Bears & packers both have 2 SB appearances with 1 win and 1 loss....however, the Bears team that won the SB was the best team ever....the packers were just a "fart in the wind" ....just ask Ron Wolf himself

[Sweetness_34 0]

a team I can see extended games into the playoffs, a team I can get excited for at the beginning of each year....over a team that is the other way around 19 out of 20 years.....

 

Wow fudgepacker fans are stupid .... your packers were 4-12 and 8-8 before this past year and missed the playoffs both those years....so in the last 3 years:

 

- Bears have been to playoffs twice and packers once.....

- Bears worst record has been 7-9 while packers has been 4-12....

- Bears have been to 1 SB, packers none.....

- Overall record for Bears in regular season is 31-17, while packers is 25-23

- Bears are 5-1 against the packers and the "1" was something the Bears gave the packers a win because they had nothing to play for....the remaining 5 games, packers had everything to play for and got their azzes handed to them convincingly.

 

So what were you saying, stupid?

[Ambroc 0]

Disagree. This was both a bad pass and bad decision. Clearly, Driver was the least open of all his options. You might argue that the rush caused him to favor one side of the field, but...then again...Grant was wide open.

 

I am not bashing Brett Favre, but there has been a trend in the last few years where Brett has made critical mistakes in a playoff games. I think Brett's blessing as well as his bane is the fact that he rarely (if ever) gives up on a play.

 

Against Seattle, the press and many fans were tickled pink when he did that stumbling underhanded pass to Lee for the first down near the goalline. "What a play maker!" "Classic Brett Favre!!!" Of course, that exact same type of mentality translates to the most ridiculous passes and sometimes audibles.

 

The interception highlighted by the OP might have been just a bad throw and/or a bad read, but the interception before that was classic Brett Favre "trying to make a play". My wife's father calls it Brett's "full interception mode" and, sometimes, you can almost see when that "switch" goes on in Brett's head. When he threw into 3x coverage earlier in the game, my father-in-law turned me and said, "Did he just go into F.I.M.?"

 

Look, Brett Favre is one of the best all time and probably should have won the MVP of the Packer's Super Bowl win, but he forgot (or ignored, most likely) what Mike had preached all year and went F.I.M. during a critical moment in the game. He did not take what the defense gave him; he tried to win it all with one throw like at Dallas earlier in the season.

 

Is he a choke? No way. His style of play has won many more games than it has lost, but the fact remains that he has never been one to throw the ball away and fight another day. He wants to fight every time he has the ball.

[Sweetness_34 0]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKikPebj0sE

 

[Sho Nuff 720]

Thanks. Yeah you can see from the video that Driver separates from Webster out of the break, contradictory to what someone was saying about how CBs are faster and therefore Webster would close on Driver after where the still photo was taken. You can see that Driver was Favre's first read, and he throws it just as Driver starts his break, which is what he's supposed to do. At the time Favre begins his throwing motion, none of the other eligible receivers had made their break yet. (0:32 in the video as you said.) You could argue that Favre should have checked off, as Driver was a little tied up with Webster prior to his cut, but Driver's ensuing successful separation justifies the read. Just a bad throw.

 

Agreed...thats the only criticism of that read.

Perhaps he felt the pressure more and did not think he had time to wait for Grant to clear.

 

The throw was bad...no excusing that.

[Sho Nuff 720]

# of Super Bowl titles the last 30 years.

 

Bears 1

Packers 1

 

You're a complete tool.

 

Why cut off at 30 years?

Oh wait...that way it cuts off and does not include the 1st 2 super bowls right?

 

[Sho Nuff 720]

Wow, you are stupid....Chicago has 1 SB appearance in the last 20 years .... remember last year?

 

Oh, and in the last 25 years - Bears & packers both have 2 SB appearances with 1 win and 1 loss....however, the Bears team that won the SB was the best team ever....the packers were just a "fart in the wind" ....just ask Ron Wolf himself

 

Sorry...I forgot that embarrassment of team made it to the SB last year.

 

So...1 appearance and a loss. Favre and the Packers have 2 appearances and a win. Yet, as a Bears fan, you are still talking trash.

 

That Bears team was good...best ever? Maybe.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Wow fudgepacker fans are stupid .... your packers were 4-12 and 8-8 before this past year and missed the playoffs both those years....so in the last 3 years:

 

- Bears have been to playoffs twice and packers once.....

- Bears worst record has been 7-9 while packers has been 4-12....

- Bears have been to 1 SB, packers none.....

- Overall record for Bears in regular season is 31-17, while packers is 25-23

- Bears are 5-1 against the packers and the "1" was something the Bears gave the packers a win because they had nothing to play for....the remaining 5 games, packers had everything to play for and got their azzes handed to them convincingly.

 

So what were you saying, stupid?

 

 

Umm...do you honestly think the teams are going in the same direction right now?

 

GB is a young young team...with a good amount of cap room and a GM who has shown he can build up a team.

They lose basically nothing in free agency (only Corey Williams is a UFA of any real value).

 

The Bears have an aging and overrated Oline...nothing solid at RB...a 3 ring circus at QB...and an aging D. With some key guys that could be gone by next year.

Their only strong point is they have some decent cap room.

 

Id much rather be a Packers fan right now (hell, Id much rather be a Vikings fan right now) than a Bears fan.

[49ers_suck 0]

Sad attempt at a joke since I don't think alzheimers and a bad decsion to throw the ball have anything to do with eachother.

There were better options than Driver, but the throw was way worse than the decision. He can make that throw, he just made a bad throw.

dont get your panties in a bunch.

 

the throw was way worse than the decision? what do you mean? he threw it way too late. webster read him like a book. never should have thrown the pass. although, i admit i only saw the play a couple times. i didn't really analyze it closely, but thats what i saw.

[Sho Nuff 720]

dont get your panties in a bunch.

 

the throw was way worse than the decision? what do you mean? he threw it way too late. webster read him like a book. never should have thrown the pass. although, i admit i only saw the play a couple times. i didn't really analyze it closely, but thats what i saw.

 

Watch the play...watch when he throws it. That Webster reads him is not the problem. The throw was far to the inside. If its to the outside...Driver either catches it for a 1st and goes out of bounds...or he can stay in and make a turn for a nice chunk of yards (given where the safety is). Webster would have been basically out of the play if that ball is to the outside and he jumps it like that.