Jetdoc 20 Posted May 28, 2008 Sorry about the craziness related to this - I held a 100 person training today, so haven't been able to check the boards until now. Hopefully we can get JScott on board shortly, but I've put them at the end of the first round to minimize any delays. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remote controller 143 Posted May 29, 2008 Leave my guy alone Bomb!!! You know I want B#$d%! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FantasyKing 4 Posted May 29, 2008 Sorry guys for the holdup - I was waiting all day to see if Jetdoc put me as #1 but I got busy as he got free - we were on opposite schedules today I guess. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Da Bomb 0 Posted May 29, 2008 holy surprise pick batman! who is this ladainian fellow? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FantasyKing 4 Posted May 29, 2008 holy surprise pick batman! who is this ladainian fellow? I've done quite a few mocks and have seen him go as low as #4, many times #3 - but I think he is finally due for a breakout year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Da Bomb 0 Posted May 29, 2008 I've done quite a few mocks and have seen him go as low as #4, many times #3 - but I think he is finally due for a breakout year. Terrible upside, no real nose for the endzone. Shies away from contact, can't stay healthy, and gets little to nothing in the receiving game. Yeah, great pick. Moron. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FantasyKing 4 Posted May 29, 2008 I would've taken Peterson had I seen that V4E was picking after me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robb 81 Posted May 29, 2008 I quit. Yes, as you should......best pick of the day at least. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robb 81 Posted May 29, 2008 I would consider SJax at 1.01 if I get the opportunity. Better long term potential than even LT or AP, IMO. You can disagree, but he has the ability and the passing attack support to make a #1 impact in 2008! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FantasyKing 4 Posted May 29, 2008 I would consider SJax at 1.01 if I get the opportunity. Better long term potential than even LT or AP, IMO. You can disagree, but he has the ability and the passing attack support to make a #1 impact in 2008! I agree completely - he's the only one I would take over LT. Although the Rams passing game seems to be in decline, that scares me a little bit. I have no faith in Bulger staying healthy anymore. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fumbleweed 547 Posted May 29, 2008 Can't fault the Tomlinson pick, obviously, but something in my gut tells me he won't be the RB with the most fantasy points when the dust settles this year. I think Peterson, if healthy, is poised for a great year and Jackson should be solid, too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NAn 39 Posted May 29, 2008 TOMLINSON Can't fault the LT pick at the 1 spot...he's LT. With that said... History of recent 'consensus #1 picks': Marshall Faulk: 4 years stud-ly numbers Priest Holmes: 3 years Shaun Alexander: 5 years Larry Johnson: 2 years Even studs from the past like M.Allen, E.Smith, E.Dickerson had runs of 2-4 years then 'fell off' (then got back on again for 1-2 years). LT has had 5 consecutive years of stud-ly production. Guy is a tremendous talent/athlete and likely a HOFer, but wheels will fall off at some pt...will this be the year? If LT fell to me I'd consider trading the pick or would take pick and watch him closely...if starts slowly, would strongly consider dealing him during season. PETERSON I actually have AP ranked #1 this year. Solid D that I think will improve. Young QB, who I think can be a solid if not great NFL starter, so team will lean on the running game. He'll get yardage and should get the calls at GL. Watching him last year, this kid is real deal: power, speed, vision...great body control and hits hole fast and hard. Should be ready for heavier load in his second season in longer NFL schedule...If they get kid active in passing game, concievable as young QBs often look to their checkdowns in their RBs, could have even better season. JACKSON Again, hard to argue him at this spot...think Rams will make conscious effort not to get off to poor start like last year and that will mean a heavy dose of Jackson. But Rams not without their questions on offense: injury prone QB, aging lead WR, suspect OL. Plus Jackson is a member of my 370 f/carries RB club. Data says 75% chance that a RB who's hit that plateau in past will not even attain 200 ff pts again. If I was to pick a RB to do so though, it be Jackson. Would likely have taken him at 3 too, but another player that I would consider trading spot during draft and would watch closely during season and consider moving if slow start. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NAn 39 Posted May 29, 2008 I would consider SJax at 1.01 if I get the opportunity. Better long term potential than even LT or AP, IMO. You can disagree, but he has the ability and the passing attack support to make a #1 impact in 2008! See my comments...I would respectfully disagree. Long term potential over LT maybe, but not AP. And mentioned potential problems with Rams offense and passing game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fumbleweed 547 Posted May 29, 2008 Westbrook is a solid building block for any team. I passed on him last year in my main league for Rudi Johnson and I have yet to forgive myself..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Da Bomb 0 Posted May 29, 2008 Westbrook was a very easy pick for me. I'm not sure there's a RB on the board that I would feel safer building a team around. He is going to get 1200+ rushing yards. He's going to get 600+ receiving yards. He's going to get 10+ TDs. Do you realize that Westbrook scored double digit fantasy points in non-PPR leagues in EVERY single start last year except week 17... when he missed it literally by one yard? You just don't get more consistent than that, even Tomlinson. Injury prone? Sure. He'll miss a game or two, fine, I'll get over it. There are no such things as sure thing at RB anymore. Honestly out of the top 5 RBs, I think Westy is the safest bet. He'll miss a game at some point, but no one would bat an eye if any of the other guys missed some stretch of time. In my rankings, Tomlinson is a runaway #1, even with tempered expectations, and it's still not close.... but I just don't have a great feeling about him. I absolutely take him if he's there no questions asked. If this is the year he doesn't do it, I'll ride that ship into the ocean. After that the three guys that just got drafted are 2a, 2b, and 2c on my list. Depends on how I feel that day. You know me, so I'll take Peterson just because of the Vikings connection. But I really really LOVE SJax, and I'm not sure I'd take him over Westy. Too many ?s with such a sure thing there. I will add that there's a pretty clear #5 guy for me, and maybe a guy I wouldn't have been surprised to see go at 3 or 4 in drafts, but for me it's a clear #5. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remote controller 143 Posted May 29, 2008 Coming off of a year where he had a combined 1450 yard and 15 td's, missing one game, I feel Addai is that solid cornerstone I need to carry my squad. I was glad to find him available at 5. He is involved in the passing game, with at least 40 catches in each of his first 2 seasons, and last season he took 3 of those in for a Td. He protects the ball which will contine to get him all important carries for this squad. Did I mention that Manning was still his Qb? That does tend to keep the defenders on their heels a bit. I see Joseph conservatively getting 1,500 yards and 15 td's, and with moderate improvement over 2007, 1,700 combined yards and 17 td's. Being the conservative drafter that I am, Addai gives me that warm fuzzy feeling I need. There were 2 other backs considered, and I feel the top 7 picks this season are fairly clear. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remote controller 143 Posted May 29, 2008 V4E has already won this draft. He got his guy, and the rest of the draft won't matter! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remote controller 143 Posted May 29, 2008 I would consider SJax at 1.01 if I get the opportunity. Better long term potential than even LT or AP, IMO. You can disagree, but he has the ability and the passing attack support to make a #1 impact in 2008! I wouldn't consider him at #1, but #3 going to be about standard for him. I currently have him ranked 5th and feel safer with Westbrook and Addai. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fumbleweed 547 Posted May 29, 2008 And now the mystery begins..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robb 81 Posted May 29, 2008 Agreed. I am looking forward to the picks AND commentary on the next 5-10 selections as I am somewhat "unsettled" as to where I have the players lined up for the remainder of round one. The first 5 picks are fairly easy......now we start the strategy. Moss at #6-gutsy selection, but certainly not out-of-line. Thanks for everyone's insight from now on! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fumbleweed 547 Posted May 29, 2008 Brady won't come close to duplicating his 2007 numbers, but I think 36-38 touchdowns is actually realistic. I just didn't like the RB selections here minus a couple of guys who might slide to me in the second (doubtful). This is a tough spot to be, but it's hard to argue with making a 50 TD guy from a year ago and a guy with a chip on his shoulder for 2008 your top pick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kutulu 1,676 Posted May 29, 2008 Lynch - Like the schedule and luckily Brady went a pick before me so I didn't have to consider him (he's my keeper in Moz's league which we just completed). If it was a PPR league mock, Lynch would not have been my pick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remote controller 143 Posted May 29, 2008 Brady won't come close to duplicating his 2007 numbers, but I think 36-38 touchdowns is actually realistic. I just didn't like the RB selections here minus a couple of guys who might slide to me in the second (doubtful). This is a tough spot to be, but it's hard to argue with making a 50 TD guy from a year ago and a guy with a chip on his shoulder for 2008 your top pick. When I saw your draft spot, I would have bet my left nut on this pick! Can't argue with the logic at all. I just can't do it. One thing for sure, you will have dependable scoring out of your #1 pick weekly, and I guess we add up points! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jetdoc 20 Posted May 29, 2008 Yeah - I had a very difficult time picking between Moss and Brady, and figured that even if Brady doesn't come close to replicating last year's numbers, Moss should still perform as the #1 WR in the draft. I too was not enamored with my RB choices at my slot, and found it hard to pass up one of the two "sure things" of the draft. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kutulu 1,676 Posted May 29, 2008 Brady won't come close to duplicating his 2007 numbers, but I think 36-38 touchdowns is actually realistic. I just didn't like the RB selections here minus a couple of guys who might slide to me in the second (doubtful). This is a tough spot to be, but it's hard to argue with making a 50 TD guy from a year ago and a guy with a chip on his shoulder for 2008 your top pick. I don't think Brady will beat his record, I do think he will break 40 TDs this year, however. praying Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jetdoc 20 Posted May 29, 2008 I've sent Shane Falco an e-mail letting him know that he's "unofficially" up, so he should show up shortly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FantasyKing 4 Posted May 29, 2008 I've never been an advocate of drafting a WR in the first round, and this year is no different. Not because Moss won't produce, but because of how the rest of your team will fill out. Also, in this type of scoring format (4 pts TD, minus for INTs), I find it hard to justify taking Brady this early as well. There are a lot of good RBs out there this year and you'll be lucky to get one now instead of two. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NAn 39 Posted May 29, 2008 I'm stepping out for a quick bit...Jet emailed my picks to you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NAn 39 Posted May 29, 2008 Jet...go with SECOND email list I sent you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NAn 39 Posted May 29, 2008 Like Westy and Addai at their respective spots...Westy's just one of those that despite injury history/concern...you're willing to concede 1-2 missed games for production he brings you in other games. Just don't like Moss or Brady here. Pats broke numerous records last year as a team and those two in particular...just don't see team/those two scoring near what they did last year (see Peyton/Marino's years after their record breaking years). Both will likely still do very well and be atop or near top of WRs/QBs, but mid-first round...personally just don't like it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jetdoc 20 Posted May 29, 2008 I've sent Shane Falco an e-mail letting him know that he's "unofficially" up, so he should show up shortly. 2nd e-mail sent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JScott 20 Posted May 29, 2008 LOL... never fails. Someone always gets held up unexpectedly on day 1, round 1 of a draft. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShaneFalco 0 Posted May 29, 2008 sorry guys, had a rough night last night. i'll make the pick momentarily Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remote controller 143 Posted May 29, 2008 LOL... never fails. Someone always gets held up unexpectedly on day 1, round 1 of a draft. ..............the first pick is so crucial too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jetdoc 20 Posted May 29, 2008 NAn sent me his pick, but I'll give him 5 minutes or so to make it since he's logged on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Da Bomb 0 Posted May 29, 2008 I'm with the consensus on Brady/Moss here. I am shocked to see them go so early, though like RC said, I know where Brady would go once I saw Fumble's draft spot. I just don't have a good feeling about any QB or WR ever going this early. It fails every time you see it. I think back to when Michael Vick was a first round pick (though that was expectations), and then when people felt compelled to take Kurt Warner in the top 5 after his awesome year, then again with Peyton after his record year. It just never seems to work. With WRs, I don't have to tell anyone here that I know taking a stud WR like Randy Moss too early is usually a bad idea. As also agreed by everyone though, even with a steep dropoff, both these guys will probably be at or near the top their respective lists. The standard QB drop from where Brady was last year seems to be to around 28-32 TDs. That's where I currently have him projected, and he ends up as part of a 1a-1b-1c atop my QB rankings. As for Moss, he comes in at #2 for me with a drop to about 14 TDs that is predicated by Brady's big drop. That clearly short of the guy in front of him for me, but ahead of the rest obviously. Bottom line, despite what I said above, I really can't fault the picks. I'm not honestly sure who the next 5 RBs will be. I'm as big a proponent as any of taking a QB or WR in the second round instead of following the masses on RB. It may well be this year that you can get a "lower first round" caliber RB in the middle of the second as well, whereby it makes sense to go QB or WR here. Fumble and Jet, would either of you have taken Brady/Moss if any of those 5 RBs above were still there? That seems to be the dropoff. Lynch was my #7 RB but I did not expect him to go this high. I guess that's part of the sophomore hype. Bottom line, I'd love to say that I wouldn't take Brady in the first or that Lynch doesn't "feel" like a 1st rounder, but I'd have a good ol heckuva time coming up with 6 other guys that do instead I guess. So it seems to be in fantasy football now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Da Bomb 0 Posted May 29, 2008 Wow, something has gone terribly wrong. Are you guys just drafting right off of my list? I just spent like 25 hours this weekend without looking at any list anywhere, doing my own projections as always, which w all know are.... well, unique. And now with the crazy-ness at RB, the top 5 go right in order, and now #s 6-8 just went. Again it gives me a sick feeling thinking I'd be building my team around one of these guys, but it looks like that may be the case this year. Crazy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remote controller 143 Posted May 29, 2008 Portis and gore were great picks. I had them going at #6 and #7, but i knew Fumble would take brady. I have come full circle on Portis this season, and Gore is going to be on a better squad this year. He also still catches an amazing number of balls. I felt Portis and Gore should have went before Lynch and Barber, and Brady and Moss. NAN and JScott are in great shape for the corner! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites