Please explain to me. WHY WHY WHY do people draft a kicker/defense before the last 2 rounds?

[edjr 6,898]

Every year, like clockwork.

 

at least 10 out of the 14 teams in my league draft a kicker and or defense before the last 2 rounds and sometimes as high as round 8 in a 16 round draft!!

 

Year after year, I draft a kicker in the last round and more often than not, said kicker scores more points than most.

 

Please explain to me, why people waste a pick on a focking KICKER and Defense?

 

While I am drafting guys like Philip Rivers, some idiot takes Stephen Gostkowski?

 

And some of them draft TWO kickers or d's before I even take one? This is not how you win fantasy football folks.

 

League is going into it's 14th year, I have won 3 times and no one else has won more than once.

 

Now don't get me wrong, this gives me a huge advantage and I am not complaining. I just need to know why people are so stupid?

 

This year.

 

Round 15 I took Akers

Round 16 I took Cardinals D

 

Akers is the 3rd highest scoring kicker in my league

Cardinals are the 6th highest scoring D in my league

 

What the fock is wrong with people?

[surferskin 31]

Cuz they're morons. Some guy in my league took Nick Folk before I drafted Cutler.

[edjr 6,898]

Cuz they're morons. Some guy in my league took Nick Folk before I drafted Cutler.

 

 

 

I seriously need to teach a course on fantasy football..

 

I think it will sell pretty good.

 

Since we started using CBS sportsline in 2001.

 

I've won 2 titles and missed the playoffs once out of 14 teams.

 

All Time Records

Disasters 78 50 2 0.608

Hawkeyes 73 54 2 0.574

 

Disasters haven't won a title since 1995, I don't know how they have a better record than me. I am 6 and 3 head to head during that time.

[KSB2424 3,173]

Here are a few possible answers:

• People are so focused on the first 5-6 rounds of a fantasy draft they crap the bed the last 5-6 rounds.
  
• The beer/alchohol finally set in
  
• They want to draft their complete starting lineup for some reason
  
• inbreeding?
  
• They remember losing a fantasy game by playing a suckass kicker back in 1997 so they keep drafting the top ranked one
  
• people are generally stupid?
  

[swirvenirvin 25]

in FFTDML I was thi first to draft a kicker I think it was round 13 or 14, and it was Folk. I like Folk because in the winter he is playing indoors, also he plays for the Cowboys who score a lot of points.

 

Most of the time tho I wait until the last round or so

[edjr 6,898]

Here are a few possible answers:

• People are so focused on the first 5-6 rounds of a fantasy draft they crap the bed the last 5-6 rounds.
  
• The beer/alchohol finally set in
  
• They want to draft their complete starting lineup for some reason
  
• inbreeding?
  
• They remember losing a fantasy game by playing a suckass kicker back in 1997 so they keep drafting the top ranked one
  
• people are generally stupid?
  

 

Some very good answers.

 

Another thing that fantasywise just makes no sense.

 

People start drafting tight ends in my league in the 3rd focking round

 

Uh huh, I drafted McMichael in the 14th round and I now have scheffler... meanwhile these people draft Gates/Witten in the 3rd round?

 

Stastically it just makes ZERO sense. I don't care if they score more points than the other tight ends, they don't outscore them by enough to make it worth drafting them so early.

[edjr 6,898]

in FFTDML I was thi first to draft a kicker I think it was round 13 or 14, and it was Folk. I like Folk because in the winter he is playing indoors, also he plays for the Cowboys who score a lot of points.

 

Most of the time tho I wait until the last round or so

 

Folk went undrafted last year and I picked him up after week 1.

 

he lead the league in scoring for kickers

[surferskin 31]

Yeah, Defenses too...How many people were trying to find out what the consensus #1 DST was this off season? There was no consensus, so why the hell are you going reach for a defense when there are still good position players available?? The Vikes D was picked first in both my leagues and are currently sitting on the WW after just 2 weeks.

[swirvenirvin 25]

Folk went undrafted last year and I picked him up after week 1.

 

he lead the league in scoring for kickers

as did I in 3 leagues

[edjr 6,898]

Yeah, Defenses too...How many people were trying to find out what the consensus #1 DST was this off season? There was no consensus, so why the hell are you going reach for a defense when there are still good position players available?? The Vikes D was picked first in both my leagues and are currently sitting on the WW after just 2 weeks.

 

 

Yup, Vikes d was so highly rated by the "experts" and god bless the experts. Because of them people draft the vikings in the 7th round.

 

I'm not sure I would have picked the vikings D if they got to me in the last round.

[ChromeWeasel 0]

Every year, like clockwork.

 

at least 10 out of the 14 teams in my league draft a kicker and or defense before the last 2 rounds and sometimes as high as round 8 in a 16 round draft!!

 

Year after year, I draft a kicker in the last round and more often than not, said kicker scores more points than most.

 

Please explain to me, why people waste a pick on a focking KICKER and Defense?

 

While I am drafting guys like Philip Rivers, some idiot takes Stephen Gostkowski?

 

And some of them draft TWO kickers or d's before I even take one? This is not how you win fantasy football folks.

 

League is going into it's 14th year, I have won 3 times and no one else has won more than once.

 

Now don't get me wrong, this gives me a huge advantage and I am not complaining. I just need to know why people are so stupid?

 

This year.

 

Round 15 I took Akers

Round 16 I took Cardinals D

 

Akers is the 3rd highest scoring kicker in my league

Cardinals are the 6th highest scoring D in my league

 

What the fock is wrong with people?

 

I'll turn this around and say what the fock is wrong with your league? Was it built by someone with no regard for balance?

 

I don't know about your league's scoring system, but mine was built to make all positions important. Defenses are a legitimate position. It's not unusual for a top defense to score in the top 30 of all positions. Bad defenses score negative points every few weeks. Having a good defense is a huge advantage over someone who has a bunch of bums. We see defenses start to get picked after round 6. If you call it right, they are well worth it.

 

I don't know why anyone would want to be in a league where positions have such low value as yours. To me, that's piss poor engineering. Not all positions have to be equal, but they shouldnt be meaningless. If you really think it's flat-out stupid to draft before the last two rounds, that just suggests that your league's rules stink. I'd adjust scoring to give the positions some value, or just drop those positions altogether. I feel the same way about old-school TD only rules. Those are stupid and archaic, and have no place in an internet run fantasy world.

[edjr 6,898]

I'll turn this around and say what the fock is wrong with your league? Was it built by someone with no regard for balance?

 

I don't know about your league's scoring system, but mine was built to make all positions important. Defenses are a legitimate position. It's not unusual for a top defense to score in the top 30 of all positions. Bad defenses score negative points every few weeks. Having a good defense is a huge advantage over someone who has a bunch of bums. We see defenses start to get picked after round 6. If you call it right, they are well worth it.

 

I don't know why anyone would want to be in a league where positions have such low value as yours. To me, that's piss poor engineering. Not all positions have to be equal, but they shouldnt be meaningless. If you really think it's flat-out stupid to draft before the last two rounds, that just suggests that your league's rules stink. I'd adjust scoring to give the positions some value, or just drop those positions altogether. I feel the same way about old-school TD only rules. Those are stupid and archaic, and have no place in an internet run fantasy world.

 

It's a defense, it's all luck, there is no skill in a defense scoring a TD. HTH

 

 

top 5 d's in my league last year.

 

Chargers 177.0

Vikings 169.0

Patriots 165.0

Bears 153.0

Seahawks 145.0

 

top 5 kickers

 

Crosby, Mason 171.0

Bironas, Rob 167.0

Hanson, Jason 156.0

Brown, Josh 155.0

Folk, Nick 153.0

 

Exactly how they should be. Exactly the same.

 

HTH

 

also, let me throw in the top 5 TE's

 

Gates, Antonio 175.6

Witten, Jason 173.6

Gonzalez, Tony 158.8

Winslow, Kellen 152.4

Cooley, Chris 147.4

 

What you have to say now, numbnuts?

[surferskin 31]

I'll turn this around and say what the fock is wrong with your league? Was it built by someone with no regard for balance?

 

I don't know about your league's scoring system, but mine was built to make all positions important. Defenses are a legitimate position. It's not unusual for a top defense to score in the top 30 of all positions. Bad defenses score negative points every few weeks. Having a good defense is a huge advantage over someone who has a bunch of bums. We see defenses start to get picked after round 6. If you call it right, they are well worth it.

 

I don't know why anyone would want to be in a league where positions have such low value as yours. To me, that's piss poor engineering. Not all positions have to be equal, but they shouldnt be meaningless. If you really think it's flat-out stupid to draft before the last two rounds, that just suggests that your league's rules stink. I'd adjust scoring to give the positions some value, or just drop those positions altogether. I feel the same way about old-school TD only rules. Those are stupid and archaic, and have no place in an internet run fantasy world.

I think you missed the point. I don't think he said DST and K aren't important. It's just the simple fact that they are a crap shoot and reaching for them usually leaves you lacking depth at position players. More often than not, the top kicker and DST goes undrafted.

 

HTH

[Kaptain02 0]

I'll turn this around and say what the fock is wrong with your league? Was it built by someone with no regard for balance?

 

I don't know about your league's scoring system, but mine was built to make all positions important. Defenses are a legitimate position. It's not unusual for a top defense to score in the top 30 of all positions. Bad defenses score negative points every few weeks. Having a good defense is a huge advantage over someone who has a bunch of bums. We see defenses start to get picked after round 6. If you call it right, they are well worth it.

 

I don't know why anyone would want to be in a league where positions have such low value as yours. To me, that's piss poor engineering. Not all positions have to be equal, but they shouldnt be meaningless. If you really think it's flat-out stupid to draft before the last two rounds, that just suggests that your league's rules stink. I'd adjust scoring to give the positions some value, or just drop those positions altogether. I feel the same way about old-school TD only rules. Those are stupid and archaic, and have no place in an internet run fantasy world.

 

I always wait until the end... Not only that but I only pick 1 def and 1 kicker during the draft - I'll draft one later in the year for a fill in because there's always a free agent defense or kicker that is putting up respectable points.

[BDuncan 3]

I think a lot of people oversimplify the decision. I have a friend that is ALWAYS the first guy to take a defense. This year he managed to draft 2 defenses (Chicago in the 6th, San Diego in the 9th) before anyone else had drafted a defense. I asked him why he always does that and he said "I would rather have a #1 defense than the 30th RB or WR off the board." I tried to tell him about how hard it is to predict defensive performance, relative scoring potential compared to other positions, scoring disparities from one tier to the next... he wasn't hearing it. There is just no way to explain it to someone that has already made up their mind.

 

Just sit back and load up on your WR/RBs while everyone is scrambling to take their D and Ks before "all the good ones are gone."

[edjr 6,898]

I always wait until the end... Not only that but I only pick 1 def and 1 kicker during the draft - I'll draft one later in the year for a fill in because there's always a free agent defense or kicker that is putting up respectable points.

 

exactly.

 

Some people draft 2 TEs, 2 Kickers and 2 Ds

 

that's a waste of 3 picks

[Busted by the Feds 9]

Just think, it could be worse edjr. If your league had punters, some owner will be taking a punter in the 9th round.

[edjr 6,898]

Just think, it could be worse edjr. If your league had punters, some owner will be taking a punter in the 9th round.

 

it's not just my league... i think a lot of homegrown leagues have this happening.

 

people that are in homegrown leagues, just aren't professional fantasy footballers.

 

they show up every year for the draft, just to donate their $450 and see everyone they haven't seen since the last draft.

 

I had a guy show up this year with ONLY a fantasy football magazine, nothing else. I ended up giving him one of my printouts, I had to.

 

If you show up to a fantasy draft that takes place the wednesday before the season starts and you have a fantasy magazine, you should be embarrassed.

 

I must have at least 4 to 6 every year.. they usually have other stuff too

[KSB2424 3,173]

In the only two leagues I play in I drafted the Titans D in round 15 and Prater in round 16. Not to mention I picked up the Bills D last week off the waiver wire.

[edjr 6,898]

In the only two leagues I play in I drafted the Titans D in round 15 and Prater in round 16. Not to mention I picked up the Bills D last week off the waiver wire.

 

 

I have a 4 dollar bid for Sunday morning to scoop the giants D

[GobbleDog 1,010]

It's a defense, it's all luck, there is no skill in a defense scoring a TD. HTH

 

Chicago Defense final points ranking (among defenses) over the past 3 years in my league:

 

2005: #1

2006: #2

2007: #3

 

"It's ALL luck"?.?.? C'mon now.

[edjr 6,898]

Chicago Defense final points ranking (among defenses) over the past 3 years in my league:

 

2005: #1

2006: #2

2007: #3

 

"It's ALL luck"?.?.? C'mon now.

 

How often does a devin hester come along? once in a lifetime.

 

Are you telling me defensive touchdowns are skill?

 

Even so,, chicago scores 175 in my league.. the 10th defense scored 140.. is it worth drafting the bears in the 5th round? no

[Dr. Octopus 0]

I'll turn this around and say what the fock is wrong with your league? Was it built by someone with no regard for balance?

 

I don't know about your league's scoring system, but mine was built to make all positions important. Defenses are a legitimate position. It's not unusual for a top defense to score in the top 30 of all positions. Bad defenses score negative points every few weeks. Having a good defense is a huge advantage over someone who has a bunch of bums. We see defenses start to get picked after round 6. If you call it right, they are well worth it.

 

I don't know why anyone would want to be in a league where positions have such low value as yours. To me, that's piss poor engineering. Not all positions have to be equal, but they shouldnt be meaningless. If you really think it's flat-out stupid to draft before the last two rounds, that just suggests that your league's rules stink. I'd adjust scoring to give the positions some value, or just drop those positions altogether. I feel the same way about old-school TD only rules. Those are stupid and archaic, and have no place in an internet run fantasy world.

 

Defenses and kickers could be the highest scoring positions in your league and you should still take them at the end of the draft.

 

There's just too much volitilty inherent in those positions. A top fantasy defense is not necessarily a top NFL defense and kickers end up so bunched together that about 15 points seperated the #1 and the #12 kicker.

[edjr 6,898]

Defenses and kickers could be the highest scoring positions in your league and you should still take them at the end of the draft.

 

There's just too much volitilty inherent in those positions. A top fantasy defense is not necessarily a top NFL defense and kickers end up so bunched together that about 15 points seperated the #1 and the #12 kicker.

 

 

 

Kickers and D's have too much luck

[GridironGuzzlers 3]

I'll turn this around and say what the fock is wrong with your league? Was it built by someone with no regard for balance?

 

I don't know about your league's scoring system, but mine was built to make all positions important. Defenses are a legitimate position. It's not unusual for a top defense to score in the top 30 of all positions. Bad defenses score negative points every few weeks. Having a good defense is a huge advantage over someone who has a bunch of bums. We see defenses start to get picked after round 6. If you call it right, they are well worth it.

 

I don't know why anyone would want to be in a league where positions have such low value as yours. To me, that's piss poor engineering. Not all positions have to be equal, but they shouldnt be meaningless. If you really think it's flat-out stupid to draft before the last two rounds, that just suggests that your league's rules stink. I'd adjust scoring to give the positions some value, or just drop those positions altogether. I feel the same way about old-school TD only rules. Those are stupid and archaic, and have no place in an internet run fantasy world.

You obviously mised the point and don't understand how fantasy football works. It's true that D/ST are important and often score more than a lot of position players. But you only start 1 D! In a 12 team league you should have a top 12 D. No one will have a bad D. But you start 2-3 RB's & WR's, plus you have them on the bench too. There will be over 50 RB's spread over the rosters. There is a much bigger drop off of position players if you don't grab them all early. As an example, I took Jonathan Stewart in a later round with "top 5 ranked D's" still on the board. If you are in a smart league there shouldn't be any "sleepers" left in the last 2 rounds. Ended up with Dallas 2nd to last round and Prater with the last pick.

 

Please invite me to your league next year. I love to see those D's go early.

[GobbleDog 1,010]

How often does a devin hester come along? once in a lifetime.

 

Are you telling me defensive touchdowns are skill?

 

Even so,, chicago scores 175 in my league.. the 10th defense scored 140.. is it worth drafting the bears in the 5th round? no

 

5th round, no. 8th round, yes. Especially if they do finish #1.

 

Last year in my league, the #1 D scored 282. The #12 D scored 213. That's enough spread to justify the pick IMO.

[WhiteWonder 2,928]

during the pre season i started a thread asking why anyone takes a D before the last round and why anyone even drafts a kicker at all...

 

my point was that unless you draft a few days before the season starts, you are better served grabbing another flier WR or RB and seeing how things shake out for the rest of TC and the preseason.

 

You would be surprised how many responses i got saying "theres nothing great left at my pick, might as well get the best defense or kicker" or "that flier you could grab isn't worth anything"... despite me pointing out that over the past 3 years (probably more) the leading scorer at the kicker position has been different each year and in each case was most likely not selected at all in fantasy drafts. i.e Niel Rackers, Robbie Gould, Mason Crosby each of these guys was then the first kicker taken in drafts the following year and did they repeat? NO

 

Defense is a little more understandable. Personally I take them in the last round but I can see where someone would want to grab one of the consensus top 5 D's a little earlier because they tend to put up better points on a week to week basis and its less of a hassel to pick a new D each week based on matchups. This is true to a greater extent in leagues where roster moves cost money. Still, turnover at the Def position is pretty high and I would rather be grabbing skill position players and waiting on my D until the last possible round.

 

This year i drafted GB Def in the last round and did not select a kicker. Prior to week 1 i picked up the kicker I wanted the whole time in Matt Prater. GB did not even play a week for me, I ended up grabbing the Colts D against the bears in week 1 (not a great idea) and the Cardinals D last week (good idea).

[edjr 6,898]

5th round, no. 8th round, yes. Especially if they do finish #1.

 

Last year in my league, the #1 D scored 282. The #12 D scored 213. That's enough spread to justify the pick IMO.

 

 

70 points over 17 weeks? a whole 4 points per week? that justifies drafting a defense in the 8th round?

 

wow.. absolute FAIL

[KSB2424 3,173]

Chicago Defense final points ranking (among defenses) over the past 3 years in my league:

 

2005: #1

2006: #2

2007: #3

 

"It's ALL luck"?.?.? C'mon now.

What kind of focking scoring do you have? The Bears finished 14th in my league last year? They scored 8 TD's which was tied for 2nd with like 4 other teams in the league but gave up 348 points and 5675 total yards which was in the bottom 5 of the whole league. And they were in the middle of the road in int's, fumbles, and sacks. How the hell were they ranked 3rd overall? I call BS.

[surferskin 31]

70 points over 17 weeks? a whole 4 points per week? that justifies drafting a defense in the 8th round?

 

wow.. absolute FAIL

[WhiteWonder 2,928]

What kind of focking scoring do you have? The Bears finished 14th in my league last year? They scored 8 TD's which was tied for 2nd with like 4 other teams in the league but gave up 348 points and 5675 total yards which was in the bottom 5 of the whole league. And they were in the middle of the road in int's, fumbles, and sacks. How the hell were they ranked 3rd? I call BS.

 

ill check where they ranked in my league but I have never been a in a league that scores yards allowed so this might be the difference.

 

 

they scored the 5th most points in my leagues last year... but the difference between 1st (chargers) and 12th (lions) was 60 points.

[WhiteWonder 2,928]

exactly.

 

Some people draft 2 TEs, 2 Kickers and 2 Ds

 

that's a waste of 3 picks

 

2 TE's is fine with me if you are in a league where starting a Te is mandatory. To me it means owning Tony Sheffler before everyone jumps on the bandwagon

[phillybear 366]

Can we change the thread title to: "edjr needed to brag about his draft and his team yet again even though his team sucks"?

[edjr 6,898]

Can we change the thread title to: "edjr needed to brag about his draft and his team yet again even though his team sucks"?

 

 

I haven't mentioned anything but kicker, d and te :fy:

[GobbleDog 1,010]

70 points over 17 weeks? a whole 4 points per week? that justifies drafting a defense in the 8th round?

 

wow.. absolute FAIL

 

First off, that 70 point difference is over the 12th best defense. But in reality when you pick defenses in the last rounds, they could very well finish much worse than 12th, so in essesence the #1 defense will potentially outscore those late round D's by a lot more than 70 points. Sure you'll probably dump that late round D if they suck and pick up another D during the season, but when it's all tallied up the #1 D will have outscored your total defensive points by much more than the 70 points or so.

 

In addition, the WR or RB you could select in the 8th round are usually bench players so you'll probably never realize their point difference anyway. And even if you do end up starting them most of the season, they still won't outscore the late round WR's or RB's by as many points as the #1 D vs the late round D's.

 

I used to agree with your theory of not selecting defenses until late. But I've changed my mind after realizing their point advantage. The only problem is getting it right and I'll conceed they generally have less consistency compared to other positions. But when you do get it right, you definately have a big advantage.

[edjr 6,898]

First off, that 70 point difference is over the 12th best defense. But in reality when you pick defenses in the last rounds, they could very well finish much worse than 12th, so in essesence the #1 defense will potentially outscore those late round D's by a lot more than 70 points. Sure you'll probably dump that late round D if they suck and pick up another D during the season, but when it's all tallied up the #1 D will have outscored your total defensive points by much more than the 70 points or so.

 

In addition, the WR or RB you could select in the 8th round are usually bench players so you'll probably never realize their point difference anyway. And even if you do end up starting them most of the season, they still won't outscore the late round WR's or RB's by as many points as the #1 D vs the late round D's.

 

I used to agree with your theory of not selecting defenses until late. But I've changed my mind after realizing their point advantage. The only problem is getting it right and I'll conceed they generally have less consistency compared to other positions. But when you do get it right, you definately have a big advantage.

 

But at BEST in the 8th round you're getting the best defense.. ok..

 

but you could be drafting a RB that will end up starting for someone.

 

Perfect example.. few years back.. I drafted larry johnson really early, like 6th round.. people were like

 

Instead of taking a defense, I took a shot on a RB.. what ended up happening? he carried me to a title. a defense will NEVER carry you to a title.

[Dr. Octopus 0]

70 points over 17 weeks? a whole 4 points per week? that justifies drafting a defense in the 8th round?

 

wow.. absolute FAIL

 

especially when you have no real idea who will be the #1 D/ST. There were years when KC had the top fantasy defense afterall.

[e13169 0]

In the only two leagues I play in I drafted the Titans D in round 15 and Prater in round 16. Not to mention I picked up the Bills D last week off the waiver wire.

 

In another vote to wait until the end of the draft to get a Defense and Kicker............in my 16 round redraft money league a guy drafted the Dallas defense in round 5, and many other Def's and Kickers went between round's 6-10........I drafted the Titans Defense in round 15 and then Matt Prater in round 16...........I think I did ok.

[GobbleDog 1,010]

What kind of focking scoring do you have? The Bears finished 14th in my league last year? They scored 8 TD's which was tied for 2nd with like 4 other teams in the league but gave up 348 points and 5675 total yards which was in the bottom 5 of the whole league. And they were in the middle of the road in int's, fumbles, and sacks. How the hell were they ranked 3rd overall? I call BS.

 

 

2007 Bears D: 16 INT, 1 Safety, 42 Sacks, 17 Fumble Recoveries, 8 Defensive/ST TDs, 348 Points Allowed, 5675 Yards Allowed..... = 250 points and 3rd best in my league.

 

Scoring for Defensive Categories

BFB - Blocked Field Goals (ID/ST/DST) 2 points

BFTD - Blocked Field Goal Touchdown (ID/ST/DST) 0 points

BP - Blocked Punts (ID/ST/DST) 2 points

BPTD - Blocked Punt Touchdown (ID/ST/DST) 0 points

BXP - Blocked Extra Points (ID/ST/DST) 2 points

DFR - Defensive/ST Fumble Recovered (ID/DT/DST) 2 points

DFRTD - Defensive Fumble Recovery TD (ID/DT/DST) 0 points

DFTD - Defensive TD 0 points

DTD - Total Defensive and Special Teams TD 6 points

Int - Interceptions 2 points

IntTD - Interception TD 0 points

KRTD - Kick Return TD (ID/ST/DST) 0 points

PA - Points Against, Total Points Scored 0 - 1 PA = 10 points

2 - 6 PA = 8 points

7 - 13 PA = 6 points

14 - 20 PA = 4 points

21 - 27 PA = 2 points

35+ PAs = -2 points

 

PRTD - Punt Return TD (ID/ST/DST) 0 points

SACK - Sack 1 point

SFRTD - Special Team Fumble Recovery for TD 0 points

STTD - Special Teams TD 0 points

STY - Safety 2 points

YDS - Yards Allowed 0 - 49 YDSs = 10 points

50 - 99 YDSs = 8 points

100 - 149 YDSs = 6 points

150 - 199 YDSs = 4 points

200 - 249 YDSs = 2 points

500+ YDSs = -2 points

[edjr 6,898]

In another vote to wait until the end of the draft to get a Defense and Kicker............in my 16 round redraft money league a guy drafted the Dallas defense in round 5, and many other Def's and Kickers went between round's 6-10........I drafted the Titans Defense in round 15 and then Matt Prater in round 16...........I think I did ok.

 

 

seems like a lot of people did just that.